Gillen to SLU

[Adelpiero]

reported, he took his name out of running for south florida job when it was open, to wait and take the SLU job.

its definately a great move for SLU, especially being in that shit conference(a-10)

gillen was always at his best at mid majors. his xavier teams basically built that program. he did one hell of a job there, struggled in acc, who knows. but its a big move for them if it goes down

very good quality in state next year. 3 kids in top 100 from misouri. he gets suggs to come, SLU can build a nice team. a ton of work to do, romar over and under achived there, spoon and clayton ad had some good teams and made some nice runs in nit and nice wins in ncaa.

christ, just get a couple decent player and you win the a10 every year, a horrible conference for every sports.

[MuchoBulls]

reported, he took his name out of running for south florida job when it was open, to wait and take the SLU job.

He took his name out because he had no chance of getting the job here. The only serious candidates were Gregg Marshall, John Pelphrey, and Stan heath.

[Adelpiero]

reported, he took his name out of running for south florida job when it was open, to wait and take the SLU job.

He took his name out because he had no chance of getting the job here. The only serious candidates were Gregg Marshall, John Pelphrey, and Stan heath.

i didnt report that, what i heard on radio.

[MuchoBulls]

I know. I just wanted to clarify that the artcile was way off. Gillen was only interviewed as a courtesy.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Good hire for SLU (I think).

I always liked Gillen dating back to when he was ND's top assistant. In fact, I wanted him to replace Digger, and I still think he would have taken the job if not for the fact that for some reason, he was ND's fourth choice.

As for SLU being a mid-major, that may not be the case much longer. If the Big East splits in a few more years along football/non-football lines (I'd say that's a better than even money proposition, although there are some arguments against it as well), the non-football schools might seek to expand their conference to split into two divisions and make travel easier. In that case, SLU probably would be one of their targets.

[MuchoBulls]

I don't see the Big East splitting along the football/non football lines. There is too much money involved in the TV contract, money that will not be seen again if there is a split. There is also the factor of exposure with the new tv deal that wouldn't be seen again if the Big East splits.

I know there was a good deal of griping about Syracuse not making it to the NCAA Tournament this past season (they should have been in), but this happens every year. The Big East will always get a good number of teams into the Tournament and the resulting $$$$$ from the PODS should keep everyone happy.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Mucho,

If the Big East had been in position to split this season and had in fact split, I think Syracuse would have been in the tournament. I don't see the NCAA selecting only two teams from the football conference in that event.

The reason I see a split coming is DePaul and Marquette. From the standpoint of a ND fan, it's nice to have them in the conference. But they weren't necessary from a logistic standpoint. If the Big East wanted to continue in more or less the same incarnation it previously had, it was only necessary to add Cincinnati, Louisville and USF. OTOH, if there is a split in the future, DePaul and Marquette provide some protection to the other non-football schools in the event ND doesn't join the conference with the non-football schools.

There's also a lot of carping about the Big East being too big in its present incarnation, although most of that comes from outside the Big East.

Another factor which has to be considered is ND's position. In a very real sense, the current Big East is the best of all possible worlds for ND. It provides ND with the benefits of conference membership, and is also big enough to allow ND to diversify its schedule as if ND was still an independent. ND is in a unique position in that it probably has enough clout to keep the conference together singlehandedly, if that's what it wants.

[MuchoBulls]

I see DePaul and Marquette being one of the reasons that the conference stays together in its current form, mainly due to the ND factor. While I would agree that ND has the most clout outside of the original members, I don't think they have enough of that clout to keep the Big East together singlehandedly.

I vaguely remember the beginning of the Big East and watching St. John's. I don't think the current state of the league is a problem, nor would I think the long term tv deal that was just signed would present an imminent split of the league. We're talking serious $$$$ and exposure for all programs involved, which none would get again if there was a split.

The only griping I have heard concerning the basketball side of things is the 18 game conference schedule that will begin in 2007-2008, and that is just from the coaches.

[King Crimson]

the hoops Big East is too big, IMO. kind of silly, really.

it'd be great to have on a TV package (i loved the old conference USA), but i think anything more than 10 (about 8 for football) is too much. play every team every year in the football conference season, and home-homes=the conference season in hoops.

that's what conference play should be about.

[MuchoBulls]

the hoops Big East is too big, IMO. kind of silly, really.

it'd be great to have on a TV package (i loved the old conference USA), but i think anything more than 10 (about 8 for football) is too much. play every team every year in the football conference season, and home-homes=the conference season in hoops.

that's what conference play should be about.

While that would be ideal, the $$$$$ of College Football and Conference Championship games have all but killed that (see the ACC).

[King Crimson]

the hoops Big East is too big, IMO. kind of silly, really.

it'd be great to have on a TV package (i loved the old conference USA), but i think anything more than 10 (about 8 for football) is too much. play every team every year in the football conference season, and home-homes=the conference season in hoops.

that's what conference play should be about.

While that would be ideal, the $$$$$ of College Football and Conference Championship games have all but killed that (see the ACC).

yeah, of course you are correct. but, it's also the need to geo-spread across media markets as well. for instance, the Big XII needed the Dallas/Houston/KC markets and Denver/OKC to a lesser extent. Denver, not being a good college market....and OKC being a gimme but second level media market. Iowa and Nebraska (and even Mizzou to an extent) creeping northward to a minor Chicago/Midwest share. Unlike teh eastern seaboard, overall the Big XII media market is low population density but with some name national players in Nebraska, UT, OU.....and to a lesser extent ATM and CU (both of which have a national fan base--for vastly different reasons).

[King Crimson]

anyway, i think that's a good hire for STL.

one of my buddies is a STLU grad.

duke is duke.

[Terry in Crapchester]

the hoops Big East is too big, IMO. kind of silly, really.

it'd be great to have on a TV package (i loved the old conference USA), but i think anything more than 10 (about 8 for football) is too much. play every team every year in the football conference season, and home-homes=the conference season in hoops.

that's what conference play should be about.

While that would be ideal, the $$$$$ of College Football and Conference Championship games have all but killed that (see the ACC).

yeah, of course you are correct. but, it's also the need to geo-spread across media markets as well. for instance, the Big XII needed the Dallas/Houston/KC markets and Denver/OKC to a lesser extent. Denver, not being a good college market....and OKC being a gimme but second level media market. Iowa and Nebraska (and even Mizzou to an extent) creeping northward to a minor Chicago/Midwest share. Unlike teh eastern seaboard, overall the Big XII media market is low population density but with some name national players in Nebraska, UT, OU.....and to a lesser extent ATM and CU (both of which have a national fan base--for vastly different reasons).

Agree with Mucho -- the days of college conferences having 8-9 teams, football schedules including every conference opponent and basketball schedules including a home-and-home against every conference opponent, are going the way of the dinosaur. As for geo-sprawl, in the case of the Big East, the geo-sprawl that has been occasioned has been dictated more by conference survival than by TV markets.

Recall that in the 80's, when the Big East didn't play football, it was actually a pretty compact conference, geographically speaking, with all members located in the northeast. The first sprawl was the addition of Miami, but after Penn State joined the Big Ten and Florida State joined the ACC, that move became necessary. Otherwise, the Big East schools that played 1-A football -- BC, Pitt and Syracuse -- would have become targets for other conferences. Then West Virginia and Virginia Tech joined for football purposes only. When ND joined the Big East for basketball, in basketball ND needed the Big East more than vice versa, but ND also brought with it the possibility of joining as a football member in the future. ND also brought some exposure for the conference in the Chicago market, which the Big East later solidified with the additions of DePaul and Marquette.

From strictly a TV standpoint, though, the northeast is pretty much a pro sports market first and foremost, and the same is true of much of the portion of the midwest where the Big East has a presence.

On the big picture, in college sports the problem with geo-sprawl is that it's a creeping sort of sprawl, with most conferences only adding a presence in one or two new states at a time, rather than the type to hit you over the head with a sledgehammer. That's why the conferences have been able to do it for as long as they have.

[MuchoBulls]

ND also brought with it the possibility of joining as a football member in the future.

That is the other reason I think the Big East stays in its current form. It's pretty evident that Tranghese wants ND to join for football. It's a pipe dream, but you never know these days.

[Terry in Crapchester]

ND also brought with it the possibility of joining as a football member in the future.

That is the other reason I think the Big East stays in its current form. It's pretty evident that Tranghese wants ND to join for football. It's a pipe dream, but you never know these days.

That's a possibility, and that's what I alluded to when I said that if ND wants the Big East to remain in its current form, ND has the clout to make that happen.

Having said that, I don't think ND joins a football conference unless either the NCAA forces the issue, or college football adopts a playoff that is strictly tied into conference championships. Of course, losing the TV contract and being unable to replace it would force ND's hand as well, but if anything that's even less likely to happen than it was in the past.

By contrast, if the BCS forces the issue, I think ND's reaction will be to thumb its nose at the BCS and take its chances in the arena of public opinion. I don't think the BCS wants a part of that game of chicken.

[MuchoBulls]

I know the TV contract could be a real big road block, especially with the deal the Conference just signed. Most, if not all, ND road football games are on ESPN/ABC correct? I wonder if they could find a way to sweeten the TV deal if ND joined for football. I am sure something could/would be worked out.

[Terry in Crapchester]

ND's only TV contract is with NBC. They have no deal with ABC/ESPN.

The home games are on NBC. Road games are based on whoever has the contract for the home team. That means, for example, that games against Big Ten/Pac-10 teams are on ABC or ESPN, games against Navy (and SEC, on the rare occasions ND plays a SEC team) are on CBS.

Who has the Big East TV contract for football?

[MuchoBulls]

Who has the Big East TV contract for football?

ABC/ESPN

[Adelpiero]

Missouri had to be the biggest TV market in big12?, besides tejas.


you draw from KC,STL

Get a contract done for football, espn,fox, and abc. all you need, guarentees you seeing 4-6 games a week, with thurs,fri matchups. Get'er done!

Only problem, is that the tards in KC have run the football program and have pushed STL into being a 50% Big10 market. Kids Sprint to big10 schools. The horrible tv contract has a lot to do with that, what the fuck does fox sports have to cover besides football???? What a slimeball deal that tv contract is. 3 tv games per week, during ooc games, only 3 teams shown, fuckin unbearable, put the offices back in KC, and the big8 schools need to sack up and tell tejas and their tards to fuck themselves, so sad the conference has bent over for Tejas U.

Who knows who will get the SLU job, Father Biondi is a retard, he ran off Grawer,Spoon and Romar. He wants to get involved with everything and push the coaches around, hopefully the assraping he has taken since the soderberg firing has quashed his basketball itch, and his boss told him enough is enough.

He fired the Head Coach, and didn't tell the AD it was going to happen untill it happened, a moron booster made the play.Speaking of moron boosters, where is Billy Laurie these days.


PS, Spoon didn't want to leave and take the UNLV job, he was forced to make a move by Biondi, he loves the town and his cardinal baseball. Go to a home cardinal game and your sure to see Spoon.

[Adelpiero]

head coach search


Not sure if he's a good hire, but definately a great hire if his heart is still into coaching!


if gillen is a homer, this would be a grand slam!

[Adelpiero]

Rick Majerus takes the gig


he'll love living at chase park plaza, eating from "the Hill", and the local bbq places.


if he is healthy, this is a grand slam. if not, its a told you so, but well worth the risk

[King Crimson]

what happened to Gillen? of all jobs Majerus ends up at STL?

at least i won't have to listen to him not give a shit doing games anymore.