Zy's Derby Predictions

Zyclone · Post by **Zyclone** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:28 am

This year its wide open and I will admit any one of 10 horse's can win it.. That being said im putting my $$ on two horses, Hard Spun and Great Hunter.

I love the breeding on both, Spun being the last of the Danzigs and GH a Indy Grandson has my $$ in this craps game they call the derby.

100 across the board on both is all im gonna put up.. Thats $600 FYI

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Wed May 02, 2007 3:41 am

Who's the odds on favorite to go Barbaro & end up as cat food by the end of the year?

Rootbeer · Post by **Rootbeer** » Wed May 02, 2007 4:09 am

Oh sweet Zyclone still posts here. Hey, bro, can I get JCT's work phone number again? My hard drive went belly up a year ago and I haven't been able to call dude for freaking ever. Thanks for hooking a brother up, superstar.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Wed May 02, 2007 10:50 am

I just hope that whoever goes barbaro, doesn't get tortured for a year. Back in the day they just gave it one behind the ear right on the track.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Wed May 02, 2007 12:21 pm

I thought you retired from the interweebs, Lieclone?

Go back to .Net where you belong.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed May 02, 2007 1:24 pm

Does Lieclone post here? He has gathered many racks...

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Wed May 02, 2007 4:55 pm

Zyclone wrote:This year its wide open and I will admit any one of 10 horse's can win it..

Seen any early odds yet? I haven't had time to handicap this years field, but yeah, it looks wide open. Just as an early hunch, I'm going to be looking hard at Scat Daddy, the Florida derby winner.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed May 02, 2007 6:33 pm

War Wagon wrote: Scat Daddy

[shutyomouth]:swoon:[/shutyomouth]

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Wed May 02, 2007 7:35 pm

2nd that take---
Zyclone is the flat track guru !!

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Wed May 02, 2007 8:02 pm

Jsc810 wrote:I too will bet $10 across the board on Hard Spun and Great Hunter.

Why bet on 2 different horses to win? Barring a dead heat, you can't win both bets.

You'd be better of taking your $60 and betting one horse WPS or better yet, just send me the money and I'll piss it off... err, wager it for you.

Sucker.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Wed May 02, 2007 8:10 pm

War Wagon wrote:
Jsc810 wrote:I too will bet $10 across the board on Hard Spun and Great Hunter.
Why bet on 2 different horses to win? Barring a dead heat, you can't win both bets.

Because they are the front runners and someone told him to do it. Just like his rooting interests in all thing sports, he's a wagering lemming as well.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed May 02, 2007 8:29 pm

War Wagon wrote:
Jsc810 wrote:I too will bet $10 across the board on Hard Spun and Great Hunter.
Why bet on 2 different horses to win? Barring a dead heat, you can't win both bets.

You'd be better of taking your $60 and betting one horse WPS or better yet, just send me the money and I'll piss it off... err, wager it for you.

Sucker.

I believe he is boxing the two horses, putting $30 (or in Zyclone's case $300) on each to Win, Place or Show. He can definitely cash in on both horses.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Wed May 02, 2007 10:02 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
I believe he is boxing the two horses, putting $30 (or in Zyclone's case $300) on each to Win, Place or Show. He can definitely cash in on both horses.

It's not a box bet. It's 3 separate bets, WPS, or 6 if you're doing a board bet on two horses.

He can cash a place and show bet on both, but not a win on both, which is where the decent payback is. Unless there's dead heat, which is highly unlikely. The only way to make any money off that bet, well, it's not going to happen. And if somehow he does win, it'll be chump change and not worth the risk of the investment in the first place.

Betting two horses across the board is essentially betting against yourself. Pick one horse to win, and bet it to win only. Place and Show wagers are for the ladies in hats drinking mint julips and choosing their horse because they like the name.

Myself, I'll make a win bet on the colt I like best, and then wheel that horse on top with a few others in exacta's and trifecta's. Get a longshot in 2nd and/or 3rd to go along with your top choice, and there's some serious cash can be made on the Derby.

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Wed May 02, 2007 10:21 pm

Jsc810 wrote:
Zyclone wrote:100 across the board on both is all im gonna put up.. Thats $600 FYI
To give credit where credit is due, rack Zyclone. In terms of horse racing, he has bode over everyone here.* There is nobody who consistently has posted better takes on horse racing, plus he backs it up with pics of his ugly mug at the track.

I can't be a high-roller like Zy can, but I can jump on bandwagons** so I too will bet $10 across the board on Hard Spun and Great Hunter.

*Just as, for example, m2 would have bode over everyone here in terms of wind chime selling renfaire carnies.
**A softball waiting to be hit out of the park.

are you that big of a tard??? he doesn't know shit. he quotes articles on horses, check out his picks dumbass, he is always out of the money. lets also add that i caught him red handed on a lie about how much he won during a derby. It was sad how bad he got busted, he needed his triple chinned buddy to come and help him. Luther loved the pileon i gave lieclone.

I can out handicap the halfbreed any day of the year. he's a fat, sidling, liar. Nothing more, nothing less.

Boy, jsc will suck anyones cock on these boards, and swallow with no shame.

some of us actually give our picks on here and win, something you won't find in a lieclone post.

wags nailed the derby, i also posted my bet and ticket last year where i had the winning exacta. I actually hit it on accident, i put barbaro on top with my pick, i tried to cancel it, but line was wayyyyyyyy to long, so i stuck with it and won.

Something you don't see in a lieclone derby post, winners

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Wed May 02, 2007 10:25 pm

My pick is Street Sense

only way he loses, is if the horse bounces off those tuff races he's ran this year. 2 races going into the derby is tough task, but trainer knows how to win, and win the derby, and will win it again.

He won breeders cup at Chruchill by 10 lengths, and could of won by more.

My only problem with him, is Borel, while i think he is a very good rider, this is the race of champions, you want a guy who knows how to win it. Better jockeys on better horses looked like fools derby day.

I play street sense, maybe $100 to win and $5 exacta wheel with whole field(minus speed horses).

that's it

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Wed May 02, 2007 11:39 pm

Well adel, the oddsmakers tend to agree with you, making Street Sense the 2nd favorite out of the #7 post. I don't see the favorite Curlin winning from the #2 post. That's a bad draw.

I'll stick with Scat Daddy in post #14 and jockey Edgar Prado who drove Barbaro to victory last year. Lot's of good karma there. 10-1 ml odds? cha-ching. I'll be astounded if he goes off at more than 6-1.

Look out for Tiago and Nobiz Like ShoBiz in your exacta bets.

DERBY LINEUP
The field for the 133rd Kentucky Derby, with post position, horse, jockey and odds:
1. Sedgefield Leparoux 50-1
2. Curlin Albarado 7-2
3. Zanjero Bridgmohan 30-1
4. Storm in May Leyva 30-1
5. Imawildandcrazyguy Guidry 50-1
6. Cowtown Cat Jara 20-1
7. Street Sense Borel 4-1
8. Hard Spun Pino 15-1
9. Liquidity Flores 30-1
10. Teuflesberg Elliott 30-1
11. Bwana Bull Castellano 50-1
12. Nobiz Like Shobiz Velasquez 8-1
13. Sam P. Dominguez 20-1
14. Scat Daddy Prado 10-1
15. Tiago Smith 15-1
16. Circular Quay Velazquez 8-1
17. Stormello Desormeaux 30-1
18. Any Given Saturday Gomez 12-1
19. Dominican Bejarano 20-1
20. Great Hunter Nakatani 15-1

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu May 03, 2007 12:04 am

Adelpiero wrote: wags nailed the derby, i also posted my bet and ticket last year where i had the winning exacta. I actually hit it on accident, i put barbaro on top with my pick, i tried to cancel it, but line was wayyyyyyyy to long, so i stuck with it and won.

Another lesson on why you never change a ticket, even if you bet it by mistake. Go back and get what you intended to bet in the first place, but never change that ticket. If it hits and you changed it, you'll kick your own ass all the way home.

How much did that exacta pay again, adel?

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Thu May 03, 2007 12:49 am

War Wagon wrote:
Adelpiero wrote: wags nailed the derby, i also posted my bet and ticket last year where i had the winning exacta. I actually hit it on accident, i put barbaro on top with my pick, i tried to cancel it, but line was wayyyyyyyy to long, so i stuck with it and won.
Another lesson on why you never change a ticket, even if you bet it by mistake. Go back and get what you intended to bet in the first place, but never change that ticket. If it hits and you changed it, you'll kick your own ass all the way home.

How much did that exacta pay again, adel?

i had half, so i got $290 back

i wanted to do 2$ exacta 10(aparrow) on top of 12 horses, instead i ended up with 8 and 10 on top. iwas fuckin pissed, waited in line at otb for 30 minutes, still 8 people in front, had to go to sisters wedding, so said fuck it and whined on way home. found out barbaro won and 13 ran 2nd, i was like,"holy shit i hit it", then found out who was 2nd and thought it would be a huge exacta, say 800-900, but instead it was 593 for$2. i cant complain, i should of got nothing.

oh well, for me to bet a fav or cofav is something new, but this horse is a monster and doesnt have to come from the clouds to win, he has tactical speed to get in good position. nagzfer is one hell of an old school trainer and he has won it before. i hope to see 4-1 on him.

socal · Post by **socal** » Thu May 03, 2007 4:06 am

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
War Wagon wrote:
Jsc810 wrote:I too will bet $10 across the board on Hard Spun and Great Hunter.
Why bet on 2 different horses to win? Barring a dead heat, you can't win both bets.

Because they are the front runners and someone told him to do it. Just like his rooting interests in all thing sports, he's a wagering lemming as well.

Because he can fit both horsecocks in his gaping maw.

Cicatrix · Post by **Cicatrix** » Thu May 03, 2007 1:16 pm

Here's a Zy Derby prediction:

Zy will attempt to swing from the nuts of many more learned racing fans and despite being thoroughly rebuffed at every turn end the day by posting pics of his own equinesque grill atop his diminutive body upon the board. The pics will also contain shots of "hotties and boyz". Numbers will be added to his cell phone...none will be real. Drink and lunch dates will be promised...zero will show. Zy will return alone to his stinking of dog piss abode and proceed to spank it while watching a show with chicks doing pilates.

The end.

Funkywhiteboy · Post by **Funkywhiteboy** » Fri May 04, 2007 6:43 pm

I'll pick "Any Given Saturday" 'cause it's an appropriate name for what may happen.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Fri May 04, 2007 7:25 pm

The track is predicted to be sloppy. All the more reason to go with a proven "mudder" like Scat Daddy.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri May 04, 2007 7:32 pm

If I ever hit the Megamillions, I'm going to buy a horse, name it Snatch Serpent and race it in the Derby.

orcinus · Post by **orcinus** » Fri May 04, 2007 7:36 pm

BSmack wrote:If I ever hit the Megamillions, I'm going to buy a horse, name it Snatch Serpent and race it in the Derby.

What self-respecting jockey would ever ride a horse named Snatch Serpent?

:softball:

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri May 04, 2007 7:48 pm

orcinus wrote:
BSmack wrote:If I ever hit the Megamillions, I'm going to buy a horse, name it Snatch Serpent and race it in the Derby.
What self-respecting jockey would ever ride a horse named Snatch Serpent?

:softball:

You mean other than this jockey?

Bill-DC · Post by **Bill-DC** » Sat May 05, 2007 6:27 pm

Rack Zy's picks. I just called a coworker who is out in Vegas now and he'll stick
some $$ on these horses.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sat May 05, 2007 7:33 pm

Bill-DC wrote:Rack Zy's picks.

Why? Shouldn't you wait until the race is actually run to Rack those picks?

Anyways, much as I expected, Scat Daddy is currently at 6-1. Shouldn't move much from there from now until post time.

I've got $25 straight up on his nose to win. None of this place and show bullshit bets. I've also got him wheeled on top in exacta, trifecta, and superfecta wagers with Curlin, Street Sense, Nobiz Like Shobiz, and Tiago. Could make for a very nice payday if they come in.

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Sat May 05, 2007 9:07 pm

not really thrilled with the exotic odds and stuff, so i just invested $80 total. fuck it, going to play some house tourney no limit and then hit the casinos. piss it away lazter

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sat May 05, 2007 10:19 pm

Rack you, adel.

Good call.

$70 at 9-2 = about a $370 ticket.

Have fun at the casino.

ps; Nice call by Zy also on Hard Spun.

Bill-DC · Post by **Bill-DC** » Sat May 05, 2007 10:30 pm

War Wagon wrote:
Bill-DC wrote:Rack Zy's picks.
Why? Shouldn't you wait until the race is actually run to Rack those picks?

Anyways, much as I expected, Scat Daddy is currently at 6-1. Shouldn't move much from there from now until post time.

I've got $25 straight up on his nose to win. None of this place and show bullshit bets. I've also got him wheeled on top in exacta, trifecta, and superfecta wagers with Curlin, Street Sense, Nobiz Like Shobiz, and Tiago. Could make for a very nice payday if they come in.

Yeah but I had no clue who to take in this. I needed a fast take before I called my buddy in Vegas and Zy seemed knowledegable in the past. I suck at this.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sat May 05, 2007 10:46 pm

Listen to adel next time. I will.

Scat Daddy sucked wind.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Sat May 05, 2007 11:36 pm

Bill-DC wrote:Zy seemed knowledegable

I laughed.

Bill-DC · Post by **Bill-DC** » Sun May 06, 2007 12:10 am

RadioFan wrote:
Bill-DC wrote:Zy seemed knowledegable
I laughed.

I knew I'd get a couple for that....Won't be the last time I lose twenty bucks gambling.
Congrats adel.

Zyclone · Post by **Zyclone** » Sun May 06, 2007 12:57 am

I decided to chage my betteing today and only hit with 50 across the board with hard spun.

Zyclone · Post by **Zyclone** » Sun May 06, 2007 1:00 am

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Sun May 06, 2007 5:56 am

War Wagon wrote:Rack you, adel.

Good call.

$70 at 9-2 = about a $370 ticket.

Have fun at the casino.

ps; Nice call by Zy also on Hard Spun.

399 to be exact fucking otb took their juice out.

i told yu guys, street sense was head and shoulders above everyone else. it was stealing.

jsc barely wins his money back and he's touting his pick

fucking tard, keep betting his picks.

i actually listened to race while in parking garage at the casino, couldnt make it to tvs in casino in time.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Sun May 06, 2007 6:38 am

Zyclone wrote:I decided to chage my betteing today and only hit with 50 across the board with hard spun.

In addition to that cool $600 you were posting about?

I think one of douchebag's crew might be hittin' you up for some of that make-believe jack, yo.

bbqjones · Post by **bbqjones** » Sun May 06, 2007 6:45 am

youre a faggot

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun May 06, 2007 7:01 am

Adelpiero wrote: i told yu guys, street sense was head and shoulders above everyone else. it was stealing.

I get that.

Now, can this horse win the Preakness? Is he Triple Crown material?

I doubt it. He had a magic freaking carpet ride today.

Sniper 1 · Post by **Sniper 1** » Sun May 06, 2007 1:17 pm

I had 7 to win, and the 7-8 exacta. I fucked up the trifecta (7-8-14 and 2-7-18, both boxed).

T1B

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