What the hell is going on in cycling?

[Headhunter]

I don't know.

What's going on in competitive Bowling, Chess, Underwater Basket weaving and other "sports" nobody gives a shit about?

[jiminphilly]

Cheaters ratting on each other.. if only baseball followed suit.

[PSUFAN]

Americans who endeavor to gain the respect of France will undoubtably engage in soap operas.

I heard all I care to hear about Cycling from Kraftwerk.

[MuchoBulls]

Landis is trying to bring down anyone in order to gain credibility. A shame if what is alleged to have happened to LeMond did in fact occur.

[Dinsdale]

Best thing Landis could do would be to fess up.

But Lance Armstrong took him under his wing, and taught him well how to be an arrogant cheating fucking jackass.

[titlover]

Best thing Landis could do would be to fess up.

But Lance Armstrong took him under his wing, and taught him well how to be an arrogant cheating fucking jackass.

i forgot. when did Armstrong get busted for cheating?


:lol::lol:


you truly are a douchebag.

srsly.

[Dinsdale]

Wow. The naive is strong in this one.


Uhm...teammates have signed affidavits and testified under oath that Cheat Armstrong has readily admitted to doping.

He flat out FAILED a drug test, but got out of the consequences on a technicality.

He was a regular patient of the doctor who was considered the world's foremost expert on administering performance enhancing drugs.

He actually had the outright gall to go with the Barry Bonds defense -- "It was just a cream." Even though he never reported this "prescription" to the governing body, as required by rule(translation: CHEATING).



But wait -- This guy who oozes so much character that he told his wife and small children to fuck off, so he could date a has-been pop star said he didn't do it, so it must be true.


You're a fucking gullible idiot.

[Goober McTuber]

Speaking of cyclists, I almost Darwined one of the fuckers at lunch time. I was headed to my favorite local tavern to enjoy a fine Midwest microbrew or two. About a block away, I passed a bicyclist who was on a bike path to my right.

Right before I reached the intersection a half block from the bar, I turned on my right blinker and started slowing down, checking the rearview mirror at the same time. No one behind me.

Just as I reached the entrance to the tavern parking lot a half block later and started to turn in, I caught sight of this clown trying to come to a stop along side of me and was able to stop in time because I was moving fairly slowly.

Apparently this guy moved from the bike path to the street when he hit the intersection. If so, he was definitely behind me when I had my brake lights and my blinker on but he must have thought that he had some kind of bizzaro right-of-way between me and the parked cars.

Damn. I’ll get the fucker next time.

[Moving Sale]

Uhm...teammates have signed affidavits and testified under oath that Cheat Armstrong has readily admitted to doping.

He flat out FAILED a drug test, but got out of the consequences on a technicality.

Really?
I couldn't find a link for either.

Help a brother out?

[Dinsdale]

Really?
I couldn't find a link for either.

Mine was the newspapers and ESPN and whatnot for the last 8 years or so, but I'll see what I can do.

This wasn't some startling new revelation, it's been going on since he forst cheated his way to victory.

[Moving Sale]

News to me. I have always heard that he never failed a test and I have also never heard one person say that they have seen him doping, but thanks for looking.

[Dinsdale]

Fuck, I hate citing Wiki, but it was the most thorough one I could find.

It does mention the fact there was an entire book written on the subject, with some very damning evidence, which I've read excerpts from, and based my opinions on.


Dude is a POS, at any rate.

[Dinsdale]

News to me. I have always heard that he never failed a test

He did. But it was a retroactive test, because they didn't have the means to test for certain cheats before that time. He wasn't stripped of his title or sanctioned because the plural samples had already been used for other testing, so the failed test couldn't be repeated.


And he lists the world's foremost doping doctor (who was indicted for it) as a "close friend."

[Sky]

Fuck, I hate citing Wiki, but I'm not gonna quote it anyway....just take my word he did it. I know I am running my mouth and not providing any proof but he sucks.

FTFY

[Sky]

News to me. I have always heard that he never failed a test

He did. But it was a retroactive test, because they didn't have the means to test for certain cheats before that time. He wasn't stripped of his title or sanctioned because the plural samples had already been used for other testing, so the failed test couldn't be repeated.


And he lists the world's foremost doping doctor (who was indicted for it) as a "close friend."

Oh, I heard about this one, its called cold fusion....some scientists said they accomplished the feat but no one else (including the same scientists) could repeat their success. But its valid, it really is.

[PSUFAN]

"Oooooo. This is much more fun without the seat."

[Dinsdale]

Fuck, I hate citing Wiki, but I'm not gonna quote it anyway....just take my word he did it. I know I am running my mouth and not providing any proof but he sucks.

FTFY

Yeah, that was pretty slick of me...find a link, post about said link, then fail to include it in the post I mentioned it in.


Fairly $$$ of me.


But at any rate, there's freaking books written on the subject.


Anyone who doesn't believe every fucking rider in the Tour de France in the last 10 years wasn't doped, well...they were probably too busy searching for the Quarter that the Tooth Fairly left them when their last chicklet bid them farewell.

[Moving Sale]

Anyone who doesn't believe every fucking rider in the Tour de France in the last 10 years wasn't doped, well...they were probably too busy searching for the Quarter that the Tooth Fairly left them when their last chicklet bid them farewell.

What you believe and what you can prove seem to be two different things.

Thanks for playing.

[Cuda]

"Oooooo. This is much more fun without the seat."

Ostensibly, the seatless thingie is supposed to save weight, but nobody seriously believes that.

I just take it for granted that they're all cock-smokers who live on a "liquid protein" diet.

[titlover]

News to me. I have always heard that he never failed a test

He did. But it was a retroactive test, because they didn't have the means to test for certain cheats before that time. He wasn't stripped of his title or sanctioned because the plural samples had already been used for other testing, so the failed test couldn't be repeated.


And he lists the world's foremost doping doctor (who was indicted for it) as a "close friend."

pathetic.

[Mikey]

News to me. I have always heard that he never failed a test

He did. But it was a retroactive test, because they didn't have the means to test for certain cheats before that time. He wasn't stripped of his title or sanctioned because the plural samples had already been used for other testing, so the failed test couldn't be repeated.


And he lists the world's foremost doping doctor (who was indicted for it) as a "close friend."

pathetic.

2rd. WTF is a "retroactive" test?

[Dinsdale]

Man, how much smoke comes pouring out of your neighbor's house before you call the fire department?


Landis is going down-btw, since it would take a fairly gullible person to believe any of the crap that's been coming out of his mouth.


Excellent editorial on the guy --

Cycle of cowardice

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
May 21, 2007


Floyd Landis wants you to believe that he is a most upstanding man, a moral product of Mennonite upbringing, where honor and honesty mean more than the money and glory of winning the Tour de France.

He wants you to peer into his soul and understand that he'd never cheat to win cycling's grandest race, as the drug tests and the US Anti-Doping Agency claim, because such an ignoble act would go against everything his pure heart believes.

"It's a matter of who I am," Landis testified Saturday according to the Associated Press at his ongoing arbitration in which he is fighting a two-year ban from the sport. "It wouldn't serve any purpose for me to cheat and win the Tour, because I wouldn't be proud of it."

Yes, what a man of high standards this ignorant clown is. What a proud, honorable champion this cut-throat coward is.

We all found out last week who Landis is, and now this isn't about whether he doped but just what a dope, what a pathetic excuse for a human being he is.



Landis' testimony Saturday – he went through cross examination Monday – was broken into two parts.

One part he asked everyone to believe him when he described his character. The other showed it in crystal clarity when he was forced to explain his part of an effort by his camp to possibly suppress testimony from former Tour de France champion Greg LeMond.

Last year LeMond, in a private conversation with Landis where he was making the case for the value of telling the truth, disclosed that as a child LeMond had been sexually abused by an uncle and how keeping it bottled up "nearly destroyed" him.

Landis didn't take LeMond’s advice, which was his right. But he told his manager, Will Geoghegan, among others, about LeMond's deep, dark secret.

Then, last Wednesday, the night before LeMond was set to take the stand at Landis' arbitration hearing, Geoghegan called LeMond up, pretending to be his old pathetic, pedophilic uncle. It was an effort, LeMond believed, to keep him from appearing at the trial.

"He said 'Hi Greg, this is your uncle. … and I'm going to be there tomorrow,'" LeMond testified on Thursday. "I said, 'Who is this?' He said, 'I'm going to be there and we can talk about how we used to hide your weenie."

"I figured this was intimidation," LeMond said.

LeMond eventually traced the call to Geoghegan's phone and called him back. Geoghegan does not dispute the call. He tried to apologize to LeMond for it last week.

Landis admitted under oath he told Geoghegan about LeMond's abuse and admitted he was in the room when both the initial call and LeMond's return call were made. He claimed he didn't hear much of the initial conversation because he was at the other end of a dining room table, although the idea that Geoghegan would make such a dastardly, possibly illegal phone call in front of everyone, without wanting them to know, is extremely questionable.

Regardless, by the end of the LeMond's return call, Landis admitted he knew what had happened, that he and Geoghegan discussed what to do next.

"That's when it sunk in that he had called Greg LeMond, and then I knew it was a problem, " Landis said.

So did he fire his manager immediately? Did he punch him in the face? Did he grab the phone and call LeMond back and apologize profusely? Did it even dawn on him that this was so much worse, so much bigger than some bike race?

Of course not. A man would do that. Floyd Landis is no man.

He gambled that LeMond wouldn't say a word. That LeMond, still scared of the stigma of childhood abuse, still embarrassed by being the most innocent of victims of the most dirty of crimes would just let it slide, to avoid supposed public humiliation.

He completely underestimated the courage of Greg LeMond, a champion of a human that no amount of synthetic engineering could ever produce in Floyd Landis.

LeMond went public with the whole thing last Thursday, told the world his childhood secret, told the world about Landis spreading it and his manager attacking him with it, told the world that he wouldn't be bullied now by an adult anymore, wouldn't be scared.

And then, and only then, only after LeMond had cast the light of truth on Landis' soul did Landis fire Geoghegan.

Only after he got caught.

Then, even then, according to press accounts, Landis helped Geoghegan move out of his hotel room.

"People are defined by their principles and how they make their decisions," Landis said Saturday, when he was talking all high and mighty, trying to tell us about how he could never cheat.

And of all the baloney in this trial, in all the awfulness and evilness, it was the truest thing said.

People are defined by their principles and how they make their decisions and Floyd Landis is no different.

He's a despicable rat, a coward and a cowering, desperate puddle of a person.

He and his apologists, the ones he duped into funding his defense, can try to carve this up any way they want. They can parse words and pretend it didn't happen and keep pointing to some great cycling conspiracy.

Whatever. This isn't about cycling anymore. This isn't about lab procedures. This isn't about what was or wasn't in Floyd Landis' system after Stage 17 in France last July.

This is what is in that heart he begged us to look into. This is what is in that soul, in his character he talks so much about. This is about the science coming in on what a piece of trash this guy turned out to be.

And Armstrong is cut from the same cloth. Fortunately for him, testing wasn't nearing as thorough as it is now, and POS Armstrong will probably walk away unscathed.

[War Wagon]

Yes, what a man of high standards this ignorant clown is. What a proud, honorable champion this cut-throat coward is.

Rack!

I didn't think Danny boy had that kind of sauce in him. I hadn't even been paying attention to any of this garbage until now.

Add another Rack for Greg Lemond while we're at it. And a serious "get fucked" goes out to Landis. What a pos. If Lance is cut from the same cloth as Dins asserts, then fuck him as well.

[Moving Sale]

Man, how much smoke comes pouring out of your neighbor's house before you call the fire department?

I don't even see any smoke here. I see you sounding the alarm but no smoke.

The tests for the banned chems of the time were fine. It's not rocket science and even if it was rockets have been flying since the 40's.

Nice try tard.

[Dinsdale]

The tests for the banned chems of the time were fine.

Huh?

The sample Armstrong gave during the 1999 Tour tested positive for EPO.

Newsflash, dumbass -- there was no urine test for EPO developed until 2001...hence the "retroactive test"...which he failed. As previously mentioned, the extra samples had already been used for other new tests, so there was no duplicate sample left for a second test. Armstrong did indeed skate on a technicality.


You might wanna back off calling other people "tard" until you at least have a vague clue as to what you're talking about.

[Moving Sale]

Newsflash, dumbass -- there was no urine test for EPO developed until 2001...hence the "retroactive test"...which he failed.

A) You talking about the Lasne/Ceaurriz test used for Sydney? That was 2000 not 2001 you twit and the article in Nature talks about how they used it on the 1998 Tour riders. Like I said the test was just fine and nobody thought to make Lance have to take it hence you are a tard... just like R-Jack who is too stupid to realize that all I ever asked for in the threads he is referencing is a bit of 'concrete' evidence. You two don't seem to have a brain cell between you.

B) Who said it was his sample? It's called procedure not a technicality you stupid simple fuck.

[Moving Sale]

I was just wondering when did two words like "concrete" and "evidence" matter to some brain dead Oliver Stone conspiracy type waterhead like yourself.

Nice strawman fucktard.

You said "suddenly demanding" when there is no 'sudden' about it.

Now that we know you can't read English do you care to show us how little you know about EPO testing too? You stupid horse fucking maroon.

[Moving Sale]

You liked that strawman so much you thought you would try it again? Props for being a tard... twice.
All I ever asked for was evidence, not some wacked out 'magic plane theory.'
So now you have misread what I said 3 times and posted a strawman twice way to go you fucking retard.


We are discussing EPO testing if you would like to pull your head out of your horse faced wife's gapping gash and join us.

[Dinsdale]

Newsflash, dumbass -- there was no urine test for EPO developed until 2001...hence the "retroactive test"...which he failed.

A) You talking about the Lasne/Ceaurriz test used for Sydney? That was 2000 not 2001 you twit and the article in Nature talks about how they used it on the 1998 Tour riders.

Take the marbles out of your mouth and brain, Billy Barty.


http://www.operationgadget.com/2005/08/ ... ll_co.html

In 2004, the Laboratoire National de Depistage du Dopage (LNDD, the French National Doping Control Laboratory) in Chatenay-Malabry, France apparently began retroactively testing frozen urine samples from pro cycling events. L'Equipe says that the purpose of this testing was to fine-tune testing methods to more accurately detect erythropoietin (EPO), a drug that is considered performance-enhancing. Some of the samples tested were from the 1999 Tour de France. The test protocol being used was not available until 2001

I bolded the part that should make you feel particularly stupid, and should leave you with a burning desire to shut the fuck up.

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Lance_Armst ... EPO_doping

http://blog.erdener.org/archives/000771.php

http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/arm ... click=true

http://www.andongkim.com/articles/2005/ ... doping.htm



Is that enough, or should I post the other 50,000 links to the story, which plays out exactly like I said it did?



Holy fuck, you must be one hell of a shitty lawyer --

TVO: Your honor, my client pleads 'not guilty' to the charges of grand theft.

Judge: Uhm, your client is accused of assault, not grand theft, Herve Villachez.

TVO: Yeah, well...he's still pleading 'not guilty' to grand theft...BODE me...you're a stupid fuck, Your Honor.


Unbelievable.

[Moving Sale]

The test protocol being used was not available until 2001.

I don't give a crap if the one they used was not ready till 2001 and then not even used on the sample until years later. There was a perfectly good EPO test ready in 1998 as outlined in the Nature article. Not my fault you are too stupid to read English.

Now how do we know it was his sample again?

Fucking tard.

[Goober McTuber]

Now how do we know it was his sample again?

Good point. Easy for that shit to get mixed up on it's way to the kitchen. How would the chef know?

[PSUFAN]

Nice work, goobs. If I rack you, how will you be sure it's genuine?

[Goober McTuber]

It's late. I will gladly settle for a mercy-rack at this point.