For the One Track Mind Crew...

[velocet]

A suggestion, merely... but some preliminary:

Obviously, you're not going to deviate knowingly from your pet "theories." No one can change your mind with any amount of 'something better'. Indeed, your mental workings go along the lines of this "method:"


1. Start with theory or world view and cling to it like there's no tomorrow,

2. Be as selective as possible with all data: stick only with what "fits" your theory,

3. Explain away in fine spinning fashion anything that might not fit your theory,

4. Apply ad hominem abusive somehow to those who disagree with your theory; and finally,

5. Since your theory is so rock solid airtight fabulous, in running with it you see no need for such trifles as checkable proof or even systematic explication. No, you tend to find that repeating the same fukking thing over and over is all you can be bothered to do, since your theory is so clear to you, and the fault for "not getting it" must lie with the ill-informed dumbheads who seem so intractable.

Fine, if you want to be that way in your life but that mental state of being is doing nothing for the readability of your posts, to the detriment of the board generally.

So the suggestion is this: band together! Of course nothing can top your own solipsistic purview, and the fact that you see only what you want to see can be a hindrance to cooperative effort. Your understanding alone is all that counts, right? But think of the possibilities if you would just take a moment from swatting at those damn hallucinatory flies and learn a bit about what it is the other One Tracks are only wanting to see! Instead of your basic conspiracy theories, you can have Compound ones! You can have fun with this and the majority of the board will be entertained by what you come up with.

Just as one example, imagine Risa, LTN, Phibes and Martyred all got together and produced one masterstroke thread: The Zionist Wall too High and Racist Levee too Low: The Evil Racist White Man's Capital, Dreidel and his Barriers to a Black/Brown Workers Utopia. Think of it!

Combine your efforts well enough and I'm sure the admins will gladly set aside a special forum for just this kind of consciousness raising.






velocet

[Goober McTuber]

There already is such a special forum. It’s called T.R.O.T.S.

[Risa]

Just as one example, imagine Risa, LTN, Phibes and Martyred all got together and produced one masterstroke thread: The Zionist Wall too High and Racist Levee too Low: The Evil Racist White Man's Capital, Dreidel and his Barriers to a Black/Brown Workers Utopia. Think of it!

Velo 'The Awakened One' goes the subversive route and gathers all Aryan Nation talking points into one doctorate thesis title. I can bite into this, if you really want me to.

[Goober McTuber]

Why don't you bite into the business end of one of these:

[Dinsdale]

Is this a gun thread?

An old buddy of mine has a dealer's license, and I've now got a line on some smoking deals on all manor of firearms.


Might have to upgrade. Probably wants more than I'm willing to pony up for the original Uzi Model A, though.

[Risa]

Why don't you bite into the business end of one of these:

I'm not in love with a highwayman.

[Cuda]

Is this a gun thread?

An old buddy of mine has a dealer's license, and I've now got a line on some smoking deals on all manor of firearms.

Just got my C&R license last week. Oddly enough, there are some full autos that qualify as C&R. NFA rules still apply, so would still have to come up with the $200 transfer fee, though.

Might have to upgrade. Probably wants more than I'm willing to pony up for the original Uzi Model A, though.

If it's older than 50 years, it can qualify as C&R... or so I'm told

[Felix]

Why don't you bite into the business end of one of these:

that's a Parker......

NICE fucking shotgun......

[Dinsdale]

If it's older than 50 years, it can qualify as C&R... or so I'm told

Israel Arms didn't start making Uzi's until 1982, if I remember right. It's a semi-auto version, regardless. His is a long-barrel, since apparently it's legally a rifle, and he's got to jump through hoops to have a short-barrel rifle, so he got the long barrel.

But they only made the Model A for a short time, so there isn't that many of them out there.


Not sure what C&R is... is that a concealed dealio?

As far as the full autos, it's my not-so-thorough understanding that just about anything pre-1984 was fairly kosh, which is why the guts from old autos are freaking gold mines.

I know another guy who has licenced autos and silencers and whatnot. A 22LR conversion kit for the .223's is absolute money with a full-auto. And I literally mean "money." You can run up a pretty nasty ammo bill after a few clips that last 1.5 seconds. 22LR is do-able.


My bud also has one of the new Tommyguns they started making again... they only come in semis there days, but talk about a nostalgia trip -- throw a drum mag in one of those, and you can pretend to be John Dillinger in the woods.


My friend does 3-gun tactical shooting competitions, and he's got some crazy rad stuff for that. Any time your shotgun says Binelli on it, you ain't messing around. Hell, I didn't even know Binelli even made military shotguns.

If I didn't hate 9MM so much, I could probably trade a couple of lesser pistols for a bitchin new Desert Eagle compact(Baby Eagle, or whatever they call those -- I don't think you can get the revolver chanberings in the compact, just auto rounds).


Played with one of these, too --





Except his is "post-post-ban," and has the 25rd mag. 45ACP with a bitchin, BITCHIN Leopold QCT illuminated tactical scope... since his family may or may not own Leupold Optics.

[Dinsdale]

that's a Parker......

NICE fucking shotgun......

Is that lever at the front of the stock to adjust trigger pressure?

I've seen that lever on double-barrels to swith the trigger between the two, which my left-handed buddy claims is a really sweet feature for lefties.

[Goober McTuber]

On my Ithaca 20 ga, that lever unlatches the breech.

[Dinsdale]

Makes sense.

[Mikey]

Is this a gun thread?

Is this one of those "universally accepted and acknowledged" T1B special spellings?

all manor of firearms.

[Dinsdale]

Don't be silly -- it means "a house chock-full of guns."

[Mikey]

My bad...sort of like a hole manor full of guns.

[Dinsdale]

My bad...

Next time, mind your manors, Rude-Boy.

[Cuda]

that's a Parker......

NICE fucking shotgun......

Is that lever at the front of the stock to adjust trigger pressure?

I've seen that lever on double-barrels to swith the trigger between the two, which my left-handed buddy claims is a really sweet feature for lefties.

Nyah, it's just a conventional SxS- although, like Felix said, a fucking NICE one (rt-click,properties out front told me) CHE (C for model, H for hammerless, E for Ejectors) If memory serves, you're looking at aboot $6000-8000 for a 60% condition gun. Hard to tell from the picture, but it could be a single, selective trigger. Not sure how Parker Bros did it, but every other trigger selector I've ever seen was incorporated into the safety. All it does is select which barrel fires first, and you usually decide that by choke- firing the more open-choked barrel first and the tighter choked one second.

BTW, C&R stands for Curios & Relics. ALL Parkers happen to be C&R's... which is nice

[Dinsdale]

Not sure how Parker Bros did it, but every other trigger selector I've ever seen was incorporated into the safety. All it does is select which barrel fires first, and you usually decide that by choke- firing the more open-choked barrel first and the tighter choked one second.

Yesterday, I was checking out my friend's reeeeeealllllly nice Baretta. As mentioned, being a lefty(actually, dude's a sick shot with either hand, be it longgun or handgun... kind of an otherwise worthless individual, but in the 20+ years I've known him, he's had a freakish talent for shooting), he's kind of picky when it comes to trigger setups. The Baretta(hand-carved stock, I believe, engraved stainless reciever and whatnot.... niiiiiice shotgun) has the lever the same place as the one Goobs posted, but it switches between barrels, since dude says that few companies, if any, make the double-trigger setup for lefties. Fire one side, switch the lever, and fire the other.

Quelle cool.

He's also got this crazy tactical shotgun(Binelli, maybe?) that has a button on the bottom of the pump, which switches it between pump and semi-auto(which is apprently useful in tactical shooting or policework).


Dude kinda went apeshit when buying prospective guns for the tactical shoots. And he was talking about maybe trading a couple of cheapies I have for an AR, which I believe is an Olympic frame with a Colt Reciever/barrel. Seems like a good deal, but I want other stuff before an AR. Also might be able to negosh a trade for a HK .40, forget which model... some sort of compact. I might have to do that one. Always been a big fan of HK.

[Cuda]

My bad.

After looking it up, a 60% CHE with fluid steel barrels would only run in the $3600 neighborhood.

To get up to the $6000 price range, you'd have to have a nearly 100% condition gun with damascus barrels

[The Whistle Is Screaming]

I've never owned a firearm, but ...

If I had me a shotgun, you know I'd blow you straight to hell.

[Rich Fader]

By the way, shouldn't that be the "XR1TrackMind" crew?

"Chew it!"

[Dinsdale]

The Baretta

Looks like this --

[Dinsdale]

If I had me a shotgun, you know I'd blow you straight to hell.

But the train's put its brakes on...

[Felix]

damascus barrels

ever seen what modern ammunition does to damascus barrels?

in my younger days I worked in the gunsmith shop of a local gun store.....a guy brought an old shotgun in to see if we could repair it....he said he's received it as an inheritance...he takes it out hunting phuzznuts using standard load shells....the first time he fired it, it blew out a three inch piece of the barrel...he was lucky he wasn't killed.....

too bad too, it was a high end Parker double barrel 12ga. with engraved receiver that would have been worth some money as a wall hanger....

fucking idiot.....

[Hobbes]

I was all set to purchase a Beretta last year for waterfowl until I fired my dad's Super Black Eagle. To be fair, the Beretta was still good, but the Benelli took it past good and great to downright fucking awesome. It is the only gun I'll use for ducks and geese now.

[Mike the Lab Rat]

Yesterday, I was checking out my friend's reeeeeealllllly nice Baretta.

"And dat's the name of dat tune!"

[Mikey]

I've never owned a firearm, but ...

If I had me a shotgun, you know I'd blow you straight to hell.

Yeah, me either but

If I had a gun for every ace I've drawn
I could arm a town the size of Abilene

[Cuda]

damascus barrels

ever seen what modern ammunition does to damascus barrels?

Yeah. In Double Gun Journal a couple years ago, Sherman Bell did a series of articles in which he took several damascus guns with barrels in poor condition and tested them with increasingly hotter proof loads until he got a barrel failure. In even the worst of the barrels, it took something over 30,000 psi (i.e. well over 3 times the pressure produced by modern shells) to get one chamber to on one barrel to fail. Eventually, he had to resort to obstructing the barrels with wadding, cleaning patches, and mud to get them all to fail. A 20 gauge shell dropped in the chamber in front of a 12 gauge shell produced a pretty spectacular chamber failure, as did a barrel bored excessively thin and a shell loaded with a ridiculously huge volume of gunpowder.

in my younger days I worked in the gunsmith shop of a local gun store.....a guy brought an old shotgun in to see if we could repair it....he said he's received it as an inheritance...he takes it out hunting phuzznuts using standard load shells....the first time he fired it, it blew out a three inch piece of the barrel...he was lucky he wasn't killed.....

too bad too, it was a high end Parker double barrel 12ga. with engraved receiver that would have been worth some money as a wall hanger....

fucking idiot.....

In your younger days you were probably a much smarter liar too. Fact is, the Limeys still use century old, nitro-proofed damascus barrels to this day. Here's a hint for you, Feeldicks: don't try to bullshit somebody who knows more than you do; you'll get plungered every fucking time

[Risa]

Yesterday, I was checking out my friend's reeeeeealllllly nice Baretta.

"And dat's the name of dat tune!"

Damn, you old. Did you used to go to preschool with Mace?

[Dinsdale]

barrel failure

So, a long time ago, in a lifetime far, far away...

A friend of mine had this buddy. They were teens at the time. Dude's parents had some cayshe, and dad was a big trap/skeet shooter. Mom and dad left for a few days, so kid and my friend decided it would be cool to borrow dad's shit and go shoot some skeet out in the woods. They get their yayas, and call it a day. Somehow, my bud's retarded friend leaves one in the pipe of dad's top-of-the-line Benelli skeet gun. As they're walking back to the car, dude trips, gun in hand, the barrel goes down into a mudpuddle, and **KAPOW**.


So, they've now got a Benelli that looks like it belongs to Elmer Fudd after a particularly heinous encounter with Bugs Bunny. Of course, being such responsible young men, they know they need to handle this before dad gets back, so off the the gun shop they go.


"HOW much?"

"That particular barrel... that's a nice one... comes in at about $2000, and I'll obviously have to order it."


So much for that plan.


So, it was decided that dad's pride and joy Benelli must mysteriously go missing, so the insurance can take care of it. And what better way to make a gun disappear and look stolen then to make sure it gets in the hands of a gangbanger?

And since mom and dad are gone, and they've got a booyah house for the week, why not score some drugs to try and salvage a positive out of the ordeal?

So, now that they've got it alllll figured out, out comes the hacksaw. Next stop -- the hood. So, they drive out to the thick of the seedy drug activity, and get ready to get their negotiation on. They stop, and within seconds, a young black man approaches, since he's pretty sure he knows what the drunk white boys are doing there. Dude steps to the window, and produces a very large handful of little bags of rocks.


"What you guys want?"

Dude reaches back behind the seat, pulls out the several thousand dollars worth of sawed-off Benelli, and says "well, I've got this."

Hood rat immediately starts screaming "NO MAN!!! Don't do me! I never did anything to you, I'm just trying to make a living out here!!!!"

Dude then procedes to throw the entire large handful of rock through the drivers window, screaming "please don't kill me!"

Of course, the star of the show is wasted, and now feels guilty, so he gets out, Benelli in hand, and starts chasing dude down, to set matters right.

"No, I wanna give this to you, man!"


I guess he never caught up to the guy.

And I guess they spent a rather buzzed couple of days.

I don't even remember how the ordeal with dad turned out.


That was a long time ago, and to this day, I can't hear the name Benelli without remembering hearing that story shortly afterwards, and laughing my fucking balls off.

[Felix]

In your younger days you were probably a much smarter liar too. Fact is, the Limeys still use century old, nitro-proofed damascus barrels to this day. Here's a hint for you, Feeldicks: don't try to bullshit somebody who knows more than you do; you'll get plungered every fucking time

you don't know shit so quit acting like you do......what purpose would be served by bullshitting about something like that....

take your fucking suppostions and stick them straight up your ass you useless fucking gene splice.....

btw: say the word and I'll hook you up with boatloads of articles by professionals that would indicate that you in fact, don't know what the fuck your talking about.....

[Cuda]

btw: say the word and I'll hook you up with boatloads of articles by professionals that would indicate that you in fact, don't know what the fuck your talking about.....

I've already read most of them- actually, it's all the same story. Invariably it has to do with some guy that a friend of a friend of a 3rd cousin-in-law claims to have heard about from a couple of other guys who knew some gunsmith... etc, etc...

I think I'll side with the scientific, documented evidence- that and a few thousand nitro proofed damascus guns in use both across the pond and here in the US of fucking A.

[Dog]

Not for nothing, but every freaking article I have ever read indicates that you should not fire modern ammo through a damascus barrel.

[PSUFAN]

When CTRL-Cuda resumes lecturing us about stuff "across the pond", you can be sure he found a new Anglophile to stalk-btw

[Felix]

I've already read most of them- actually, it's all the same story. Invariably it has to do with some guy that a friend of a friend of a 3rd cousin-in-law claims to have heard about from a couple of other guys who knew some gunsmith... etc, etc...

mine was first hand knowledge dimbulb.....I saw it with my own eyes....

and you do know that Damascus barrels produced before 1900 are different from the Damascus barrels produced after that.....you did know that didn't you?

you seem to labor under the delusion that I'm trying to impress the handful (maybe overstated) of people that could give a fat rats ass about this subject.....

I think I'll side with the scientific, documented evidence- that and a few thousand nitro proofed damascus guns in use both across the pond and here in the US of fucking A.

then I'll offer you the chance to prove your faith....

I've got an old Lefever 12 ga. damascus barrel shotgun sitting in my closet....

next time your up this way (Boise) I'll give you $200 to take it out and shoot a modern round through it.....

hell, I'd be willing to sacrifice the gun (which I paid about $400 for) and the $200 in cash just to watch you blow your fucking hand off.....

let me know.....

[Goober McTuber]

Is there a way to blow off both of his hands? Having Cooter reduced to typing with a mouthstick would be a good thing. I’d chip in.

[Dog]

btw: say the word and I'll hook you up with boatloads of articles by professionals that would indicate that you in fact, don't know what the fuck your talking about.....

I've already read most of them- actually, it's all the same story. Invariably it has to do with some guy that a friend of a friend of a 3rd cousin-in-law claims to have heard about from a couple of other guys who knew some gunsmith... etc, etc...

Even so, it seems like boatloads of people know some idiot who was dumb enough to try shooting modern rounds through damascus barrels.

[Cuda]

and you do know that Damascus barrels produced before 1900 are different from the Damascus barrels produced after that.....you did know that didn't you?

Yeah, they're... older. Otherwise they're no fucking different- or at least not fucking different enough to matter

you seem to labor under the delusion that I'm trying to impress the handful (maybe overstated) of people that could give a fat rats ass about this subject.....

I've long ago stopped trying to understand why people insist on posting bullshit long after they've been shown to be full of shit.

I think I'll side with the scientific, documented evidence- that and a few thousand nitro proofed damascus guns in use both across the pond and here in the US of fucking A.

then I'll offer you the chance to prove your faith....

I've got an old Lefever 12 ga. damascus barrel shotgun sitting in my closet....

next time your up this way (Boise) I'll give you $200 to take it out and shoot a modern round through it.....

hell, I'd be willing to sacrifice the gun (which I paid about $400 for) and the $200 in cash just to watch you blow your fucking hand off.....

let me know.....

I have an old Parker GH with damascus barrels that I shoot every now & then. As long as there's no pitting or rust that can't be brushed out of the bores in the bores, I wouldn't hesitate to put a few boxes of shells through your Lefever. Errr... on second thought, that gun in your closet is a fucking accident & lawsuit waiting to happen. You'd better send it to me for proper disposition! Can't be too carefull, etc, etc...

[Felix]

I have an old Parker GH with damascus barrels that I shoot every now & then.

really.......and you haven't mentioned owning this $7,500 shotgun until now...your modesty is truly amazing.....

I'm betting it sits right next to the Churchill or is it next to the Purdey.....

either way, rack you and your fabulous shotgun collection....

[Dog]

and you do know that Damascus barrels produced before 1900 are different from the Damascus barrels produced after that.....you did know that didn't you?

Yeah, they're... older. Otherwise they're no fucking different- or at least not fucking different enough to matter

Well, that and different technique used to make it, but go right ahead and think you know what you are talking about.
Also, as a barrel ages, regardless of how or of what material it was made of, it will lose strength. Each time the gun is fired the barrel expands and contracts. Over time this weakens the barrel. So it is conceivable that one person can fire a modern shell through a damascus barrel and nothing will happen. Somebody else can do the same thing with a different gun and get their hands blown off.

You seem to be the type who will fire a shell through a damascus barrel and since nothing bad happened will conclude that it is perfectly okay to fire any modern ammo through any damascus barrel.