Vick about to take it in the butt...

[Dinsdale]

Since he hasn't been convicted or entered a plea yet, the NFL and the Falcons are probably going to ask that he sits until then.....PAID.

Except that pesky part where he told Goodell he didn't frequent the property, and multiple people testified under oath before a grand jury to the contrary.

[RadioFan]

A cat is just the right size and nimble enough to make it sporting.

Sort of like your head with a real gun pointed at it by your own hand, unfortunately.

[RadioFan]

I could do it....easily.

Prove it or STFU.

Nobody cares until you do. Hell, we might even name trots after you. Do it, damnit. Can't you hear "More than a Feeling" playing in the background?

[RadioFan]

All smack, and the age-old cats/dogs argument aside ...

Anyone who could do what Vick is accused of doing to a domestic dog or a cat is about a .01 step away from doing the same to a person. I don't know the exact stats but I do know that many people with violent convictions in prison and many others in municipal jails for domestic abuse have a penchant for animal cruelty, if not the vast majority.

Some want to castrate sex offenders for rape. I'd settle for Dins' suggestion for domestic dog and cat killers -- put 'em in water and give them some shocks, or just shoot them in the ass. If they survive after a day, sobeit. Eye for an eye, before the sickos do the same to a person.

[RumpleForeskin]

If Marcus is his brother, then he IS guilty. I'm sure Marcus will be indicted shortly after all the facts come out.

[RadioFan]

Phew....I'm only about .00965 from doing that.

Sounds like you're treating a forced-on, live-in pet better than you are your own head, with that gun.

BTW...isn't Charles Manson an acknowledged advocate of animal rights?

Well, he did keep his bitches alive and kicking.

But, more importantly, Vick? Dude makes how many millions? Yet he just happens to own land where this is going on?

[dripping sarcasm] No way! [/bitter sarcasm]

[BBMarley]

Anyone see Emmitt Smith weighing in on this situation?

"Now, granted he might have been to a dogfight a time or two, maybe five times, maybe 20 times, may have bet some money, but he's not the one you're after. He's not the one you're after, he's just the one whose going to take the fall -- publicly," Smith added.

Why am I not surprised a member of that particular squad doesn't think this is that big a deal?

[DallasFanatic]

Anyone see Emmitt Smith weighing in on this situation?

"Now, granted he might have been to a dogfight a time or two, maybe five times, maybe 20 times, may have bet some money, but he's not the one you're after. He's not the one you're after, he's just the one whose going to take the fall -- publicly," Smith added.

Why am I not surprised a member of that particular squad doesn't think this is that big a deal?

If its not on dallascowboys.com than it doesn't exist.



In all seriousness, I would be very disappointed if Emmitt tried to downplay Vicks involvement. What he should do is just STFU when it comes to a sensitive situation like this and enjoy retirement. Damn that was painful to say.

[RumpleForeskin]

Isn't Emmit about to join ESPN as an analyst? He won't be able to STFU if that's the case.

“I’m not trying to make an excuse for dogfighting but it’s OK for lawyers, doctors, average person to get a gun to slaughter a bear, kill a dear, go hunting. It’s legal. I think that’s wrong. They say you should be thrown in jail for dogfighting. I think you should be thrown in jail if you fight chickens. You should get thrown in jail and take out your 30-odd-six and shoot Bambi in the head.”

Joe Horn

This guy is retarded. Hunters actually help population growth of animals like bears, deer, elk, hogs, etc. LEGAL hunting only targets overpopulated areas where a species might be taking over the graising area and smaller species are not getting their fill, so the state will work with the leases to provide a number of heads of a particular herd that need to be killed. Male brown bears will feed on the cubs if the rivers and lakes are low on salmon which could be devastating to a population of bears if there is cannibalism going on within the group. Hunters will kill male bears to give a the young cubs a better chance to live.

Dogs are euthanized at overpopulated kennels everyday and that is unfortunate, but that is just the way it is nowadays. I'm sure some of those dogs that were killed by Vick and/or his partners would have been euthanized somewhere down the road. However, maybe some of those dogs wouldn't have even been born had the breeding process never happened. I'm sure most of those dogs were bred for one reason and one reason only, so if the original parents of all of those dogs have been given a good home, then none of this would have ever happened.

[Risa]

If its not on dallascowboys.com than it doesn't exist.

So y'all already seen this shit? alright:

Grand Dragon of the Democratic party drunkenly disses Vick

In all seriousness, I would be very disappointed if Emmitt tried to downplay Vicks involvement. What he should do is just STFU when it comes to a sensitive situation like this and enjoy retirement. Damn that was painful to say.

Emmitt was on a team that was glossed 'The Crackwagon'. Why wouldn't Emmitt downplay Vick's involvement in dog fighting? Emmitt has seen worse, and been involved in worse. I wouldn't be surprised at the number of stupid fucks involved in dogfighting. Some dudes think it's a macho think, like cock fighting. or street racing. or coke and ho binging.

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

I’m not trying to make an excuse for dogfighting but it’s OK for lawyers, doctors, average person to get a gun to slaughter a bear, kill a dear, go hunting.

I see you working Joe. Go ahead and say it. It's okay for whitey to kill animals, but not Nogs.

It’s legal. I think that’s wrong. They say you should be thrown in jail for dogfighting. I think you should be thrown in jail if you fight chickens. You should get thrown in jail and take out your 30-odd-six and shoot Bambi in the head.

Yeah.... because the breeding, training, fighting, tortuous death, and illegal gambling surrounding the dog fighting world is comparable to the kill shot a hunter strives for. Not that I condone hunting, but it doesn't keep me awake at night either.

The Nogs are circling their tricked out Civics, errr, wagons. Beware.

[DallasFanatic]

Emmitt was on a team that was glossed 'The Crackwagon'. Why wouldn't Emmitt downplay Vick's involvement in dog fighting? Emmitt has seen worse, and been involved in worse. I wouldn't be surprised at the number of stupid fucks involved in dogfighting. Some dudes think it's a macho think, like cock fighting. or street racing. or coke and ho binging.

Care to explain how Emmitt was "involved" in worse? Everyone and anyone knows about the "Crackwagon" days of the Boys. I also believe, you could take a handful of those players (Emmitt, Troy, Novacek, etal) and say they were the class of the NFL, both on and off the field. You are self admitted as someone who knows nothing about football. Take your own advice and speak of what you know.

[Goober McTuber]

"You should get thrown in jail and take out your 30-odd-six and shoot Bambi in the head.”

I don’t have a 30-odd-six, I have a 7mm-odd-six.

[Dog]

But it's just a part of Micheal Vick's culture.

A lot of folks are disgusted by the slaughter of whales and seals. But it's a way of life to the Inuit.

And before you say that Vick isn't usuing his dogs for food, how do you justify bullfighting in Spain? And what must we look like to the Hindus, with our slaughter on a massive scale of cows?

We spoil our dogs today beyond belief here in this country. Micheal Vick is going to be crucified because of the outcry from a bunch of animal rights wack jobs.

I didn't really read this whole thread, but I just happened to focus in on this one post.

Not sure how well-traveled you are, but spoiling dogs goes way beyond our borders. All of Europe is the same way. Just got back from China where owning a dog is a sort of status symbol. Been to Egypt, Mexico, all over Europe, China, India, many of the Pacific Islands and also many islands in the Carribean, and dogs are spoiled in all those places. Not once, in any of the countries that I have visited have I ever seen a dog hung, electrocuted or picked up by his hind legs and slammed into the ground.

I'm not buying this whole culture argument at all. Unless you are implying that all black people are sick and twisted and inherently capable of inhumane violence. And then, maybe, I'll bite.

[Goober McTuber]

Not once, in any of the countries that I have visited have I ever seen a dog hung

Thank you, IRIE DOGOS.

[BBMarley]

Isn't Emmit about to join ESPN as an analyst? He won't be able to STFU if that's the case.

“I’m not trying to make an excuse for dogfighting but it’s OK for lawyers, doctors, average person to get a gun to slaughter a bear, kill a dear, go hunting. It’s legal. I think that’s wrong. They say you should be thrown in jail for dogfighting. I think you should be thrown in jail if you fight chickens. You should get thrown in jail and take out your 30-odd-six and shoot Bambi in the head.”

Joe Horn

This guy is retarded. Hunters actually help population growth of animals like bears, deer, elk, hogs, etc. LEGAL hunting only targets overpopulated areas where a species might be taking over the graising area and smaller species are not getting their fill, so the state will work with the leases to provide a number of heads of a particular herd that need to be killed. Male brown bears will feed on the cubs if the rivers and lakes are low on salmon which could be devastating to a population of bears if there is cannibalism going on within the group. Hunters will kill male bears to give a the young cubs a better chance to live.

Dogs are euthanized at overpopulated kennels everyday and that is unfortunate, but that is just the way it is nowadays. I'm sure some of those dogs that were killed by Vick and/or his partners would have been euthanized somewhere down the road. However, maybe some of those dogs wouldn't have even been born had the breeding process never happened. I'm sure most of those dogs were bred for one reason and one reason only, so if the original parents of all of those dogs have been given a good home, then none of this would have ever happened.

Horn is just pissed b/c he just realized he will have Joey Harrington throwing him the ball all year now...

[velocet]

Dallasfanatic is $$$ on this one, Risa. Crackwagon references usually weren't uttered with E. Smith in mind.





velocet

[BBMarley]

Dallasfanatic is $$$ on this one, Risa. Crackwagon references usually weren't uttered with E. Smith in mind.





velocet

Very true... but even being on the same team as Irvin, Newton, et al.. made it normal for him to justify their actions... it appears this is just carrying over. Shame- b/c Emmitt was one of the Cowboys I always liked too...

[Goober McTuber]

Yes, Tardowen, it’s just you. No one else here has fantasies about watching gay male butt-sex.

[Headhunter]

Emmitt was on a team that was glossed 'The Crackwagon'. Why wouldn't Emmitt downplay Vick's involvement in dog fighting? Emmitt has seen worse, and been involved in worse. I wouldn't be surprised at the number of stupid fucks involved in dogfighting. Some dudes think it's a macho think, like cock fighting. or street racing. or coke and ho binging.

Care to explain how Emmitt was "involved" in worse? Everyone and anyone knows about the "Crackwagon" days of the Boys. I also believe, you could take a handful of those players (Emmitt, Troy, Novacek, etal) and say they were the class of the NFL, both on and off the field. You are self admitted as someone who knows nothing about football. Take your own advice and speak of what you know.

If only that were true, we'd never hear another word from her on anything except Cheeseburgers and do rags.



Annie, your inane ramblings and race-baiting isn't going to play in the NFL Forum. Orc may be on vacation (something about bunnies) But I'll drop kick your ass out of here if you keep up with this bullshit.

[poptart]

Please don't kick her out 'til she tells us what Emmitt did that was worse.

ESPN holds out and never gives us the good shit.

[DallasFanatic]

Please don't kick her out 'til she tells us what Emmitt did that was worse.

ESPN holds out and never gives us the good shit.

Rack it!!!

[Headhunter]

It's a deal, Pops, and RACK!

[Dinsdale]

First off, Emmitt is a dickweed amongst dickweeds.

But maybe I missed it, and someone could remind me which improprieties/criminal acts Emmitt was ever even accused of?


Help me out here, Bannie?

[Headhunter]

If you're basing "Dickweed amongst dickweeds" on his comments about Vick, then I can see where you are coming from. I'm not happy with his comments on the vick situation either. But I don't know of anything else Emmitt has ever done to draw that type of classification. All I've ever heard about him has been positive.

[Risa]

Emmitt was on a team that was glossed 'The Crackwagon'. Why wouldn't Emmitt downplay Vick's involvement in dog fighting? Emmitt has seen worse, and been involved in worse. I wouldn't be surprised at the number of stupid fucks involved in dogfighting. Some dudes think it's a macho think, like cock fighting. or street racing. or coke and ho binging.

Care to explain how Emmitt was "involved" in worse?

Something like this:

Very true... but even being on the same team as Irvin, Newton, et al.. made it normal for him to justify their actions... it appears this is just carrying over. Shame- b/c Emmitt was one of the Cowboys I always liked too...

Emmitt was part of the Crackwagon. Did Emmitt ever speak out against what was going down? Did he distance himself? or did he just pull a Gay Actor/Michael Jordan and keep his nose clean in public by always saying the right neutral thing and dressing in business attire?

Did anyone ever say Emmitt was never part of the things going down? or was his name just never brought up?

When you're around dogs, you're gonna pick up fleas. For me, because Emmitt was a member of the Crackwagon, it's not too hard for me to believe that Emmitt would stand up for Vick -- at all. Emmitt has seen the shit. Emmitt may even have been a party to the shit (you're right, I don't have evidence that he was). Emmitt may even know the same group of people that Vick is caught up with. I don't know. I do know, he was part of that team and part of that locker room.

Somebody from a much cleaner team than the Dallas Cowboys will need to speak up for Vick, to make an impression on me that 'oh my god, how surprising! why would he do that??' than Emmitt Smith. That's all.


Why do you like Emmitt?




As for Troy, he was a big ol homosexual who married his PR flack for publicity/bearding purposes. Whatever. Just more of the same kept in the Dallas Cowboy's closet. Don't know Novacek.

[Dinsdale]

If you're basing "Dickweed amongst dickweeds" on his comments about Vick, then I can see where you are coming from. I'm not happy with his comments on the vick situation either. But I don't know of anything else Emmitt has ever done to draw that type of classification. All I've ever heard about him has been positive.

He A) Was a little too arrogant for my taste, and B) was a Cowboy.


Although, he could have been a hero in my eyes forever...

Someday, somebody is going to break the rushing record again, and Emmitt will be yet another forgotten chunk of history.

If it was me in his shoes (fat chance), I would have kept track of the rushing yards. When that last carry came, I would have run out of bounds, leaving myself a yard or two short, and run with my head down, straight into the locker room, never to take the field again.

The all-time rushing record will someday fall, but the record for the amount of class and reverance for one of the game's great icons would have lived for a thousand years.


I know... that's fantasy world shit.

[Dog]

Hey, I ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY HATE THE COWBOYS. My favorite team is anybody playing the Cowboys.

But I still seem to remember Emmitt Smith speaking against those crackwagon guys. Granted, it was after he went to Arizona, but that's understandable. You don't ever, and I mean EVER, talk about clubhouse troubles in public....PERIOD.

[Headhunter]

I can deal with that Dins.


I feel the same way about Steve Young.

[Nacho]

Somebody from a much cleaner team than the Dallas Cowboys will need to speak up for Vick, to make an impression on me

Would you care to say which teams are cleaner than the Cowboys now?

The problem is league wide and did not start with the Cowboys. There have been problem players for several decades now from various teams.

One thing your post does make clear is that in your mind you believe, and rightly so, that the football universe starts and ends with the Cowboys.

Thanks for being the "anti-fan" it helps keep America's team where it should be....

In the spotlight...

Ok it was a bit myopic to write that but it felt good....

[poptart]

Someday, somebody is going to break the rushing record again, and Emmitt will be yet another forgotten chunk of history.

What an incredibly bad take.

This is not a Curtis Martin kind of guy, who just steadily put up good numbers and stayed healthy.
Emmitt Smith was a league MVP.
He was a Super Bowl MVP, and he was arguably the BEST player on a team that won 3 Super Bowls in the 90's.
While I wouldn't be one to do so, it IS possible to make a case for him being the greatest back of all time.
He's definitely on the very short list.

Of course his record will fall one day.
They all do.
But to brush him aside like he is a meaningless NFL trivia question or something makes you look verrah foolish.

When you're around dogs, you're gonna pick up fleas. For me, because Emmitt was a member of the Crackwagon, it's not too hard for me to believe that Emmitt would stand up for Vick -- at all. Emmitt has seen the shit. Emmitt may even have been a party to the shit (you're right, I don't have evidence that he was). Emmitt may even know the same group of people that Vick is caught up with. I don't know. I do know, he was part of that team and part of that locker room.

Yes, all of that means you have nothing.
Per norm, S'ingTFU would have been your best choice.
You don't know how Emmitt Smith dealt with his teammates behind closed doors.
All you know is that he didn't publicly call them out.
I don't blame him.
It would have been counter-productive.

All of us have been in situations where we were surrounded by assheads, through no doing of our own.
It just is.
Assigning guilt to one based on random association is like mvscal labeling all blacks useless niqqers.

You and mvscal are similar, actually, except he gets major points for his brevity.

When you don't have shit to say, saying it quickly is your best option.

[jiminphilly]

Someday, somebody is going to break the rushing record again, and Emmitt will be yet another forgotten chunk of history.

What an incredibly bad take.

This is not a Curtis Martin kind of guy, who just steadily put up good numbers and stayed healthy.
Emmitt Smith was a league MVP.
He was a Super Bowl MVP, and he was arguably the BEST player on a team that won 3 Super Bowls in the 90's.
While I wouldn't be one to do so, it IS possible to make a case for him being the greatest back of all time.
He's definitely on the very short list.

Of course his record will fall one day.
They all do.
But to brush him aside like he is a meaningless NFL trivia question or something makes you look verrah foolish.

When you're around dogs, you're gonna pick up fleas. For me, because Emmitt was a member of the Crackwagon, it's not too hard for me to believe that Emmitt would stand up for Vick -- at all. Emmitt has seen the shit. Emmitt may even have been a party to the shit (you're right, I don't have evidence that he was). Emmitt may even know the same group of people that Vick is caught up with. I don't know. I do know, he was part of that team and part of that locker room.

Yes, all of that means you have nothing.
Per norm, S'ingTFU would have been your best choice.
You don't know how Emmitt Smith dealt with his teammates behind closed doors.
All you know is that he didn't publicly call them out.
I don't blame him.
It would have been counter-productive.

All of us have been in situations where we were surrounded by assheads, through no doing of our own.
It just is.
Assigning guilt to one based on random association is like mvscal labeling all blacks useless niqqers.

You and mvscal are similar, actually, except he gets major points for his brevity.

When you don't have shit to say, saying it quickly is your best option.

When E. Smith was still playing with the cowboys I remember seeing a video of him getting baptized in one of those Houdini like glass tanks- Deion Sanders was on the team that year and I think it was Deion's church (and Deion may have been the minister).

I can't tell you how badly I wanted to see both of those 2 asshole slip and drown in that baptismal tank.

Unfortunately, neither of them did and Emmitt continued to terrorize the Eagles defense for a few more years.

There is no doubt that Vick's teammates knew of his dog fighting. Ike Reese (former Eagles LB and current Falcons LB) was on a local radio show and admitted that Vick talked openly about the fights. He didn't say whether other teammates attended the fights (again, I have no doubts that others did).

I'm sure Emmitt was in the same boat- I'm sure he heard about the stupid shit Irvin and Nate were into but I doubt he put himself in a position to kill his career..


old joke.. what do you call a drug ring in Dallas? A huddle.

[Headhunter]

old joke.. what do you call a drug ring in Dallas? A huddle.

No surprise that Philly fan has no idea what a ring looks like!