4 hours away and no talk of it yet?

[Neely8]

Saints were just not ready. I think Payton abandoned the running game too soon. there were some endarounds ran by Stecker and Bush in the first half that produced big gains for the Saints, but they didn't go back to Deuce enough. If they committed to the running game, then there probably would have been a good chance for Henderson and Colston to be open downfield.

As a Patriot fan I know this well. However the problem with that logic is if you do have a 3 and out with the Clots you get behind. At that point you have to abandon the run. The Clots D is pourus against the run. They play exclusive Cover 2 as Fat Ass Madden explained ad nauseum last night. They dare you to try and run all game while the track meet of an offense puts up big leads. I hate them....... :(

[TenTallBen]

That little cutsey bullshit they tried last night was pathetic. MacAllister should have had at least 25 carries.

I just don't understand why they have Karney blocking for Deuce quite often but when Reggie is in he's all by himself back there. If anybody needs a hole to hit it's Bush. Decue can simply run over people if he wants to...

[BSmack]

WTF was up with Bush and his footing? He looked like he was on a hockey rink. Is he hiding an injury or does Adidas not know how to make a decent shoe?

[Joe in PB]

Airing it out probably isn't a very good idea against the Colts. I'm not sure how anybody goes into a game with the Colts without the avowed purpose of doing their damndest to pound the football between the tackles for as long as possible.

That little cutsey bullshit they tried last night was pathetic. MacAllister should have had at least 25 carries.

Exactly.

The Colts defense is very similar to Tampa's D in their heyday, albeit not as recognized for excellence. They move very well side line to side line, have a good rush while the secondary is deployed in a "cover 2" scheme much of the time.

How you attack that defense is to run straight at them, and while they will be successful at first they can be worn down in the second half of games if the run is not abandoned. A team that falls behind and abandons the run plays right into their defenses strength.

Starting Reggie Bush and giving him most of the carries was a mistake IMO, as the Colt D matches up well with quick RB's.

If the Saints played Deuce McAllister more while mixing up 1st down a bit with the pass from running formations they might have kept it closer.

On the other hand their defense stinks bad enough that I no longer consider the Saints playoff contenders. Defense that bad doesn't improve much during the course of the season. On the other hand their draft slot in 2008 will probably continue to improve over the course of the season.

[Joe in PB]

One more thought on the Saints, the NFL is a copycat league and I'd expect Tampa and every other team NO faces to employ the "Tampa cover 2" scheme until the Saints prove they can beat it. If Tampa has any kind of offense the Saints are anything but a lock to win that game.

My last thought on the game is depite all the preseason kudos for NE and SD, the Colts put the league on notification that they are still the team to beat.

[RevLimiter]

Saints were just not ready. I think Payton abandoned the running game too soon. there were some endarounds ran by Stecker and Bush in the first half that produced big gains for the Saints, but they didn't go back to Deuce enough. If they committed to the running game, then there probably would have been a good chance for Henderson and Colston to be open downfield.

As a Patriot fan I know this well. However the problem with that logic is if you do have a 3 and out with the Clots you get behind. At that point you have to abandon the run. The Clots D is pourus against the run. They play exclusive Cover 2 as Fat Ass Madden explained ad nauseum last night. They dare you to try and run all game while the track meet of an offense puts up big leads. I hate them....... :(

You ought to- you are THEIR bitches now.

[Neely8]

Saints were just not ready. I think Payton abandoned the running game too soon. there were some endarounds ran by Stecker and Bush in the first half that produced big gains for the Saints, but they didn't go back to Deuce enough. If they committed to the running game, then there probably would have been a good chance for Henderson and Colston to be open downfield.

As a Patriot fan I know this well. However the problem with that logic is if you do have a 3 and out with the Clots you get behind. At that point you have to abandon the run. The Clots D is pourus against the run. They play exclusive Cover 2 as Fat Ass Madden explained ad nauseum last night. They dare you to try and run all game while the track meet of an offense puts up big leads. I hate them....... :(

You ought to- you are THEIR bitches now.

Three Super Bowl wins for the Pats and one for the Indy Dolts. I think that about ends your argument Board Bitch! Did you come up with that yourself? How many Chief Super Bowl wins have you seen in your lifetime? Hell how many Chief Super Bowl appearances have you seen? Go steal takes and feed them to someone else bitch.....

[orcinus]

Back-to-back "your team sucks" posts. You should know better than to feed the troll, Neels.

Beautifully played.

[Neely8]

Back-to-back "your team sucks" posts. You should know better than to feed the troll, Neels.

Beautifully played.

Never said the Colts or the Chiefs "suck". I said I hate the Dolts, but I respect how good they are. I dropped Super Bolw smack on the Chefs but didn't say they suck. They do suck this year though.....

Damon freaking Huard???

[RevLimiter]

I dropped Super Bowl (correct spelling, BTW) smack on the Chefs but didn't say they suck. They do suck this year though.....

I never said they AREN'T going to suck. In fact I basically agree with you. Shocking, I know.

Damon freaking Huard???

Well, when you trade away the best QB on the roster and you're not proactive enough in the draft to trade up and get the best QB in this year's draft (Brady Quinn), DH is our result. Sucks for us.

[Tiny]

Stepping back a few posts to Orc's comments:

If that's your attitude, Tiny, feel free to not comment after the game from here on out, as well

Damn, a little testy for the first game of the new season; did you have money on N.O., or is it just that time of the month for ya?
Pardon me for having a little trepidation for making predictions with this team. One super bowl victory does not a history or heartache cure; OK? Aren't you a K.C fan anyway? Surely YOU'D be the one to understand the heartbreak from your team not living up to the hype, or the potential; right???

Me thinks you personalized a different meaning to my post, than was my intention. So let me make it CLEARER FOR YOU:

I was expecting Drew to light it up tonight too

That was more of a "Whew, dodged a bullet there..." Allow me to further explain. Being a bit of a homer for my teams (Purdue class of '93), I have followed Drew since his early days on the Boilermakers. I have seen many instances of Drew playing up to potential, and doing basically the same thing to other teams, that Peyton did to N.O. last night.
See, IMHO even thought Drew doesn't have the physical talent to compete with Peyton, he does have the intelligence, and the will to win to produce the type of performances we saw out of him last year. Again, the lack of physical characteristics is what holds the guy down. That's why you see what we had last night.

So, in summation Orc, not only was I snickering at your (and mostly everyone else's) posts about how the game was going to go, but I was also laughing at how my own predictions (Which I kept to myself) were SO completely off base. Certain Oakland and KC fans have traditionally had the market cornered on the "myopian" perspective, but you'll never hear that out of me.

BTW: Bitch all you want about "The Endorsement", but for the first 3 or 4 years in the league all people did was criticize Peyton for being to serious, trying so hard, and not enjoying the game for it being just that: a game. Since he's tried to lighten up, and have people see him in a more casual, or even humorous light, then he's got nothing but shit blown his way by the likes of people like you.....so dude just can't win with you folk. Seems to me you're just happy bitching about him....irregardless of the reason why. That's fine....I see it as flattering. He wouldn't be getting all the endorsement deals, if he wasn't the best at what he does. Keep bitching about the commercials, the audibles at the line, etc., it just reinforces my point. Basically it's the same thing as with Tom Brady to me.....hate the guy with a passion, but that's mainly because he's that good, and he plays for the Evil Patriots--the hated enemy.

[orcinus]

Tighten it up if you're going to debate the issue, Tiny.

KC fan has nothing to do with this discussion, nor does my own opinion of Peyton. It's the clown factor of post-game responses from Casper the friendly Colt fan that drew my initial comment.

No ire, mind you. You might have me mixed up with our resident tough guy here ... that's his schtick. I just find the timing and slant of your post quite comical.

Figured that if you were going to limit your opinions to post-game wins, I'd save you the trouble. That way, you can have your phantom Peyton arguments with a more worthy adversary ... your shadow, for example.

Whatever your intent, timing is everything, my friend.

[RumpleForeskin]

That's an interesting angle, but I don't think Peyton has it in him to go all smart and pound the ball on the opening night of the 2007 season.

Looks like I was right after all.

[War Wagon]

One super bowl victory does not a history or heartache cure.

What. the. fuck.

So would TWO cure you of being a twat?

History and heartache?

:roll:

orc's the good KC cop, I'm the bad one, and you sir tiny are a fucking pussy.

[Tiny]

OK whitey, if that's the case, then the "blow me" comment was intended just for you....

Sorry Orc, but you were kinda quick to bite my head off, (even considering the fact that I admitted that I was thinking pretty much the same thing as many of those earlier prediction posts). BTW, Orc, this isn't the first or even second message board that you and I have crossed paths, and I would think by now you would know that I'm anything but the "fair weather", horn tooting, myopian type of fan, who only shows up when there's a scoreboard to point to. Frankly, you're barking up the wrong tree there.
In all actuality, if you want to know the truth of the matter, rarely do you really even hear anything from me after a win (unless it was a lucky, ugly, or shit win, where they didn't deserve to pull the "W" in the first place.) See ANY super bowl thread from last February if you need a clarification on that.....and you certainly don't see me adding an avi of the final scoreboard to my sig (like certain others here, say, B-smack for example) either. That's just not my style. (Edit to say, unless the Cubs pulled off the W.S.; then that probably would be the only chance I'd EVER have to run smack on the hordes of those who have ALWAYS laughed at me for following the Cubs; so yeah, I'd yell it from the mountain tops).

Conversely, after a stupid, lackadaisical, or drubbing type of loss, I'm usually one of the first people in to criticize the team for their shitty play. SO, as you see, K.C fans can (some of them anyway; granted maybe not you yourself.....) can commiserate with what what I said about one's team not living up to the hype, or their potential, because up until last freaking year, we as Colt's fans were in the same damn boat as the afore mentioned DOTRF....sitting at home once again in February, with an empty trophy case.
As for your opinion of Peyton, you say it doesn't matter??? Well, why the hell did YOU bring it up for in the first place then??? If you didn't want me to tell you I was tired of hearing the whine, then you shouldn't have cranked it up to begin with. The only thing I even said about Peyton (in the initial post anyway), is that he and R. Wayne made Jason David look horrible (because, for some stupid ass reason J.D. now thinks he can read Peyton's eyes when he's going through his reads). How did you connect the dots on that one?

Tight enough for ya???

[Tiny]

Now Wags, back to you, ass munch. We've been down this road before.

You mean to sit there and tell me that IF your Chef's won it all this year, you'd simply slink away completely satisfied, never to root for them again??? What the fuck is up with that??? And you're calling ME a pussy?

Why don't you just call up your buddy RJ, and have him call me "gay" while your at it....it would hold just about as much logic and credibility as that pathetic excuse for reasoning you used right there. And you call yourself a FOOTBALL fan? Were you there 6 years ago too, cryin' to Pats' fan, when they went on their back to back roll???

"Stop trying to win it all again you pussies, give us Chief fans a turn at the championship well why don't ya...."

Are you listening to yourself? Maybe you should step back from your beatdown of C&P Paul, and look in the mirror, cause you wouldn't like what I'm seeing from you.
In the past, if you had nothing else, you at least had fairly solid logic, and a good mind for how this game is played; frankly, I'm a little shocked by that blast. Being the best in any given year isn't a right, a privilege, or a hand-me-down, The Lombardy trophy is EARNED.
And FUCK YEAH I want to see the Colt's roll off another 9 in a row, and have a chance to be playing for all the marbles again in February. Where was your head when you thought I'd be satisfied with just one ring? Nothing less than a dynasty will suit me (as a fan), and then that still wouldn't be enough. Not like that is going to happen, but I'm sure the hell going to root for it to happen anyway. That's why we're called fans....

When the hell did being second best become acceptable to you?

You're right......WHAT.THE.FUCK???

[orcinus]

As for your opinion of Peyton, you say it doesn't matter??? Well, why the hell did YOU bring it up for in the first place then??? If you didn't want me to tell you I was tired of hearing the whine, then you shouldn't have cranked it up to begin with.

Tight enough for ya???

Considering the fact you're still arguing with your shadow over this, I'd say no.

The next time I offer an opinion on Manning in this thread will be the first. I think the whine you're tired of hearing is the one from the wind blowing between your ears.

Still, props to you for your contributions the the thread though. While you're swinging around wildly in the dark and having problems figuring out who said what, it's nice to have someone willing to put up an honest fight, for a change.

[Tiny]

Orc, if you want to argue semantics, be my guest. But I appreciate your compliment irregardless.

As a reaction, I would say that I think the tactic that you used here, used to be called "Clintonspeak", honoring Slick Willie's ability to dodge the question or topic at hand, by addressing a wholly different subject altogehter. See, when Bill didn't want to answer a question, but felt he couldn't get away with telling an outright lie about it, he'd phrase his response so as to satisfy both sides of the coin. Not really lying, but not really addressing the truth of the matter either.

"I did not have sex with that woman. Monica Lewinski....." (Two different sentences, two different thoughts/topics; but all run together, to make it sound like one statement.)

"The next time I offer an opinion on Manning in this thread will be the first."

Same bullshit, different artist. It's all about the context of the situation. But I'll give it to you, for the sake of the argument.
We'll have to agree to disagree however, as I see it as you would want to distance yourself from your earlier comments ("...even at the expense of your beloved Mannings" and "the endorsement."), especially when you reversed it in on your next post, by claiming that you hadn't even brought up Manning. To me, it's all semantics.
So, I guess a correction is in order: I have a problem with you lumping me into a category of homers, who would think that Peyton is the "be all/end all", just because he's on my team. Yeah, I like the guy, and I'm damn glad he's playing for my team. But don't lump me in with "sheeple" who don't see any of the negatives in players/people. I see Peyton's weaknesses, but there are SO many other more glaring issues on this team for me to focus on. Why nitpick on a guy for trying to force an ill-advised pass into a crowd a couple times a game, when the D-line is vastly undersized, and will likely get pushed around again, for much of the season. I prefer to pick my battles. Peyton's flaws I can live with. The inconsistency on defense scares the hell out of me.

However, I too appreciate it when people of dissenting opinions can exchange barbs, and not have to resort to the "Raider James Thesaurus of Pole Smoker Analogies" handbook, just to try to reinvent a new way of calling someone a cock sucker. The recent 'tard brigade invasion makes even an argument such as this little disagreement over wording, MUCH more appealing, than the garbage that litters this place on a day to day basis. Our teams only play each other once during the regular season this year, so I look forward to hashing it out with you again, once we get closer to that Nov. 18th contest.

[orcinus]

You've got issues, Tiny.



I dig the fact that one off-handed comment can bring forth paragraph after paragraph of Manning-related lovesongs.

Yeah. I said that.

If you're determined to stay out of the Casper closet, I s'pose I owe you an opinion on Archie's kid.

Competitive advantage or not, I can't stand watching him audible at the line of scrimmage. He looks like a complete fool flapping his arms around and screaming at everyone like a taller version of Napoleon.

I'm sure a lot of that is theatrics, though. Get the defense thinking what a tard I look like up here, and it just might distract them for and instant from pre-snap coverage responsibilities.

That's pretty much it, though ... the extent of my Peyton-bashing. Other than that, the guy's an absolute surgeon in a system designed to maximize his talents and abilities. For that, Dungy's a genious.

I do hate the fact he's on the Colts, though, and I hate the fact multiple playoff runs have died under his arm, too.

Beyond that, I don't have a lot for you concerning Manning, Tiny, which is why your recent prose-heavy ramblings in this thread made me chuckle to the point of eminent guffaw.

Good stuff.

[Tiny]

Well, Orc, you can articulate all you want about my long winded explanations, but I'm used to that. I'm just not the "one liner" type of guy. But to save you the eye strain, this will probably be one of my shorter posts.

Spin spin spin.....that's what makes the world go round.

We've all got issues dude, just in some of us, it's more pronounced. To that end, (and unlike some here), I won't apologize for my opinion, or shrink back from it. If I'm wrong on something, I'm wrong; but you're gonna have to have all you ducks in a row to prove it to me; as I wouldn't spend the time discussing something, if I didn't have conviction.

As far as Peyton goes: You're pretty much dead on. Except the whole tard comment....I doubt the D is thinking much about that, 'cause their too busy screaming "Oh SHIT!!, and running backwards towards the end zone after being burned once again.
Again, I can overlook the little flaws, to see the overall package. I find his audibles humorous sometimes too. If you watch many Colts games, sometimes you can hear some of his goofy signals...funny shit.