Patriots/Jets

Th · Post by Th » Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:19 pm

Brady had ALL day to throw the ball

Moss - 9 grabs, 183yds & 1 touch

Ground game was more than effective

Liked what I saw except for the Jets fans cheering Pennington's injury - reminds me of why I dislike NY sports fans in general - no class even toward their own players.

Discuss

Tiny · Post by **Tiny** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:17 pm

Th,

Only saw like 5 minutes of this game, but from that and watching the highlights, I get the impression that Randy could really go the distance to help this team back over the hump, if he buys into BB's system. It goes to figure that if you've got this TALL, quick receiver opening up the outside, then it will open up the inside game exponentially as well; as this is a little used (whether real or imagined) facet of the N.E. offense. Just having that threat to burn you deep, will back the safeties off several yards, and give Morris & Maroney all kinds of room to run on the inside. If it works, the Pat's are going to be dangerous as hell.
Hell, the 108 yd burner that Hobbs turned in was pretty sweet too.

And, what the fuck was that, where Randy was talking to reporters after the game; could he have changed??? Am I supposed to buy into this:

"I was nervous before the game....", and "things are different now, because this is the best team I've played for, and the best coach...."

I'm still pretty skeptical on how this all is gonna end, but he's certainly saying and doing all the right things right now, for the time being anyway.

Th · Post by Th » Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:21 pm

Toddowen wrote:I must be a Raiderette.

Run down to CVS to get your Vagisil you swollen cunt

Th · Post by Th » Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:14 pm

Toddowen wrote:
Th wrote:
Toddowen wrote:I must be a Raiderette.

Run down to CVS to get your Vagisil you swollen cunt
??????

1. I thought this was a football forum

2. Check your notes, I am not a Red Sox fan

Otherwise, on to the pharmacy with you . . . . . . . . . . . . . . hurry along then

Th · Post by Th » Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:06 pm

Toddowen wrote:
Th wrote:
2. Check your notes, I am not a Red Sox fan
The only description I have of you in my notebook is that you are a Chowd cunt.

I see no reason to update it.

And we love to be in your dome, we OWN it - obviously.

Nixhex · Post by **Nixhex** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:34 pm

I guess if you're not cheating you're not trying.

Pat's suspected of stealing Jets signals

I don't think the outcome would have been much different either way. However, it's kind of a bitch move. Just sayin'.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:40 pm

mvscal wrote:What cunts.

No doubt. They have no class.

Sin,
Recycled Nickname and The Dancing Machine Merriman.

Neely8 · Post by **Neely8** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:41 pm

Nixhex wrote:I guess if you're not cheating you're not trying.

Pat's suspected of stealing Jets signals

I don't think the outcome would have been much different either way. However, it's kind of a bitch move. Just sayin'.

Bet that video shows NADA..... More gamesmanship between the Jets and Pats.

Th · Post by Th » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:02 pm

Neely8 wrote:
Nixhex wrote:I guess if you're not cheating you're not trying.

Pat's suspected of stealing Jets signals

I don't think the outcome would have been much different either way. However, it's kind of a bitch move. Just sayin'.

Bet that video shows NADA..... More gamesmanship between the Jets and Pats.

I bet you are right Neely but if not the Patriots should get docked the 'W' for the Jets game. But hey wait a minute, didn't the league let it slide when the Jets tampered with the Patriots/Deion Branch negotiations a couple years ago? I call it a wash.

trev · Post by **trev** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:53 pm

Nixhex wrote:I guess if you're not cheating you're not trying.

Damn straight.

Sin,
The 49ers salary cap.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:10 pm

Expect SEVERE penalties from Goodell.

Seems Pats have been warned prior to this.

Huge fine and loss of picks.....OUCH!

Neely8 · Post by **Neely8** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:17 pm

T REX wrote:Expect SEVERE penalties from Goodell.

Seems Pats have been warned prior to this.

Huge fine and loss of picks.....OUCH!

Not worried. The Pats only kept 2 of their 10 or so picks this year anyway. I feel dirty in some regards. I am sure that other teams do things like this. See the Miami Dolphins paying cash money last year for a video of Brady with audio of check offs. I am however disappointed that it was my team to do it. They will take the punishment and move on. As a fan I will do the same......

orcinus · Post by **orcinus** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:18 pm

I don't think they'll be SEVERE, but I do think a precedent will be re-set with this opportunity.

On Goodell's watch, this will likely still be a slap on the wrist, but I'll bet it leaves a mark.

Neely8 · Post by **Neely8** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:40 pm

Toddowen wrote:
Neely8 wrote: I am however disappointed that it was my team to do it. They will take the punishment and move on. As a fan I will do the same......
You'll move on too?

Way to woman up, girl. It's always been known to the rest of the country that New England is no place for real, honest to goodness football. Probably why the Kennedy's were so fond of flag football.

Yeah I will live with what the league hands down as punishment for the team I root for. That too hard for you to understand shit stain? You gave up on the Chargers so who are you rooting for now? Whoever plays the Boston team I know. One trick Todd is back on the beat.....

trev · Post by **trev** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:55 pm

How long have the Pats been doing this?

It's as if they've known what other teams were going to do for awhile...

Hilarious that they got caught.

Neely8 · Post by **Neely8** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:07 pm

mvscal wrote:
trev wrote:How long have the Pats been doing this?
Long enough...

Yeah they only won because of this. Otherwise they suck.....

Stick to politics!

FATALFART · Post by **FATALFART** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:18 pm

goodell has found the new england panties guilty

i wonder how many picks they lose

Th · Post by Th » Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:21 pm

None of this is new.

Signed,

The NFL

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d ... nfirm=true

Mike Tomlin:

"You hear rumors of things of that nature, but there's nothing new in terms of confirming it," he said. "It's never been confirmed in any incidence in my knowledge."

The lone first-year NFL coach to win his opener last weekend, Tomlin said the Steelers have methods to protect against spying, but he wouldn't reveal them.

"We like to keep our methods private so we can continue to be successful," Tomlin said. "We don't spend a lot of time worrying about that, but we are sharp enough to protect ourselves vs. the potential of something like that happening against us.

"Really, this is nothing new. You see offensive play-callers covering their mouths, that's been going on for a long time, and that's the reason that's done."

Neely8 · Post by **Neely8** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:25 pm

mvscal wrote:Obviously they derived a significant advantage from this practice or they wouldn't be doing it.

They had everyone fooled that's for sure. I guess we now know how a team stocked with marginally talented "team players" and "chemistry guys" can be so competitive in the NFL: They cheat 24/7.

Good job, dickbags.

Keep believing that. Your stupider then I thought.

So if it is so obvious please explain how it gives them an advantage? In the 45 or so seconds between plays do you honestly think they have time to read the call, signal to their coaches, signal to the offense, call the play, get up to the line, and snap the ball? Damn they are pretty fucking good if so. What about when the defense audibles? Do they call a timeout because they can't handle that?

I really can't figure out why they would do it. It just doesn't seem like it would/could work. Defenses change up all the time based on how the offense lines up and vice versa.

Do you for a second think that other teams including your own don't look for an advantage in any way possible? See Shawn Merriman as an example. The only ones we hear about are the ones who get caught. The Patriots got caught and they will pay the penalty.

This will not change them handing the Chargers loss #1 on Sunday night I can assure you of that......

Neely8 · Post by **Neely8** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:35 pm

mvscal wrote:
Neely8 wrote:So if it is so obvious please explain how it gives them an advantage?
I guess they just do it for no reason at all. Mere playful hijinks and shenanigans.

Suck another cock, you retarded dipshit.

Way to explain!! Im starting to think LTS tard is right about you. All bluster and no substance. Homo smack too. You truly are the greatest.....

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:12 am

Neely8 wrote:
So if it is so obvious please explain how it gives them an advantage? In the 45 or so seconds between plays do you honestly think they have time to read the call, signal to their coaches, signal to the offense, call the play, get up to the line, and snap the ball? Damn they are pretty fucking good if so. What about when the defense audibles? Do they call a timeout because they can't handle that?

......

Are you this naive?????

If you have the calls and learn them after the first or so quarter....you pretty much know what's going to happen.

I can't believe you are this naive....I know its your team and all but come on dude.....

Th · Post by Th » Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:33 am

T REX wrote:
Neely8 wrote:
So if it is so obvious please explain how it gives them an advantage? In the 45 or so seconds between plays do you honestly think they have time to read the call, signal to their coaches, signal to the offense, call the play, get up to the line, and snap the ball? Damn they are pretty fucking good if so. What about when the defense audibles? Do they call a timeout because they can't handle that?

......
Are you this naive?????

If you have the calls and learn them after the first or so quarter....you pretty much know what's going to happen.

I can't believe you are this naive....I know its your team and all but come on dude.....

Got to be honest, if the Patriots coaching staff is found guilty of this level espionage then I am off the Patriots bandwagon until BB and friends are run out of Foxboro. I will wait til the league has their say but as a lifetime Pats fan I am disgusted.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:39 am

Neely8 wrote:So if it is so obvious please explain how it gives them an advantage? In the 45 or so seconds between plays do you honestly think they have time to read the call, signal to their coaches, signal to the offense, call the play, get up to the line, and snap the ball? Damn they are pretty fucking good if so. What about when the defense audibles? Do they call a timeout because they can't handle that?

And if it DOESN'T give them an advantage, why have they been doing it for years? Why pay someone to sit around with a video camera all game long if there is no advantage gained?

Also, explain this from PFT...

In fact, we're told by a very good source that, when the Packers caught a Pats employee doing the same thing last season, the Packers knew exactly what to look for, and nailed the guy in the act. The Packers didn't press the issue only because they lost the game 35-0, and didn't want to complain under those circumstances.

The Pats' habits in this regard were so well known that, per the same source, Colts president Bill Polian had all on-field cameras removed for the 2006 AFC championship game.

Simply put, the Pats now reek of scandal.

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:08 am

Bri didnt post the rest of what PFT said:

The Pats' habits in this regard were so well known that, per the same source, Colts president Bill Polian had all on-field cameras removed for the 2006 AFC championship game.

Thus, the Patriots knew that other people know what was happening. And yet they kept on doing it.

If all of this is true, it reflects a dangerous amount of arrogance in that team's coaching staff. In fact, our guess is that, now that the poo has hit the propeller, whoever put this system in place will privately justify it after the fact by explaining that, in the end, the cost was far less than the benefits that have been derived.

And it makes us -- and likely many others -- wonder how far back all of this goes. How many Lombardis are potentially tainted? How many of the games during that record-setting winning streak?

Regardless of the lost draft picks, which mean much less in the salary cap era than they used to, there's now a stain on the NFL first dynasty of the new century. How far it spreads and how deep it goes remains to be seen.

Whats next-mic'ing up the defensive fucking players too to get snap counts, audibles, ect? Oh wait, here this latest excerpt from PFT about 10 minutes ago:

WERE PATS WIRING DEFENSIVE PLAYERS, TOO?

The situation regarding the New England Patriots and the allegations/proof that they have stolen defensive signals is unofficially getting weirder.

The signal stealing flap is relevant only to defensive signals, since all offensive calls are made by radio.

But we're now aware of suspicions/rumors regarding efforts by the Pats to get a leg up as to opposing offenses. Specifically, we're told that it's believed that, during the 2006 season, the Patriots were putting microphones on defensive linemen in order to capture the offensive line calls and the quarterback audibles.

Then, the audio and the video of the game would be matched up, and the defensive players would be given the code at halftime.

Not since Barroid Bonds has this been so damn appropriate:

Th · Post by Th » Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:22 am

The Pats' habits in this regard were so well known that, per the same source, Colts president Bill Polian had all on-field cameras removed for the 2006 AFC championship game.

If this was so well known then why didn't it get revealed sooner?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:17 am

mvscal wrote:
Th wrote:If this was so well known then why didn't it get revealed sooner?
No physical evidence maybe? IMO, this is a very serious charge to level and something not be tossed around without any proof. It's one thing to know something. Proving it is something else.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Accusing a team of this type of cheating without rock solid proof could be a career ending proposition.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:29 am

Neely8 wrote:Your stupider then I thought.

Just......wow

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:33 am

Raydah James wrote:Bri didnt post the rest of what PFT said:

And I also didn't bother at the time to read the ESPN article PFT linked to. Upon further review, there's another little bombshell very quietly tucked away in the Mortensen article.

The league also was reviewing a possible violation into the number of radio frequencies the Patriots were using during Sunday's game, sources said. The team did not have a satisfactory explanation when asked about possible irregularities in its communication setup during the game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3014677

Can you say tapping into the radio frequency used in the QB's helmet radio?

The Pats have managed to turn the Michael Vick dogfighting case into the SECOND most embarrassing scandal for the league this year.

Th · Post by Th » Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:43 am

BSmack wrote:
Raydah James wrote:Bri didnt post the rest of what PFT said:
And I also didn't bother at the time to read the ESPN article PFT linked to. Upon further review, there's another little bombshell very quietly tucked away in the Mortensen article.

The league also was reviewing a possible violation into the number of radio frequencies the Patriots were using during Sunday's game, sources said. The team did not have a satisfactory explanation when asked about possible irregularities in its communication setup during the game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3014677
Can you say tapping into the radio frequency used in the QB's helmet radio?

The Pats have managed to turn the Michael Vick dogfighting case into the SECOND most embarrassing scandal for the league this year.

Looks like BB & his cohort coaches may not be the only ones feeling the wrath. Could the league be putting Brady up on the cross too? If the league can prove it then I say tear them all down for the sake of the game. Horrible for all NFL fans, not just Patriots fans.

Th · Post by Th » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:07 am

mvscal wrote:
Th wrote: Could the league be putting Brady up on the cross too?
We'll have to see how good he is when he's forced to solve a defense the old fashioned way.

If its proved he is complicit he wont be facing anything but a considerable suspension I would imagine. If he did it, he deserves it.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:09 am

mvscal wrote:
Th wrote: Could the league be putting Brady up on the cross too?
We'll have to see how good he is when he's forced to solve a defense the old fashioned way.

Belichik probably already has cameras on the Space Station pointed at Foxborough in preparation for just this sort of event. Give him a week, I'm sure he'll find another way to cheat.

RevLimiter · Post by **RevLimiter** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:29 am

If you're not cheating, you're not trying, and it's ONLY cheating if you get caught.

IF that's what the Patsies were doing all this time I applaud them for pushing the envelope....but now it's time for them to pay the price of doing business.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:44 am

Stealing from Jim Rome now?

Christ Paul, just learn to STFU when adults are talking.

RevLimiter · Post by **RevLimiter** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:50 am

BSmack wrote:Stealing from Jim Rome now?

Christ Paul, just learn to STFU when adults are talking.

Are you REALLY that stupid? That saying has been around FOREVER.

Better luck next time, Tree-Hugger.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:26 am

RevLimiter wrote:
BSmack wrote:Stealing from Jim Rome now?

Christ Paul, just learn to STFU when adults are talking.
Are you REALLY that stupid? That saying has been around FOREVER.

Better luck next time, Tree-Hugger.

I guess asking you to come up with something fresh IS too much to ask.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:32 pm

BSmack wrote:
RevLimiter wrote:
BSmack wrote:Stealing from Jim Rome now?

Christ Paul, just learn to STFU when adults are talking.
Are you REALLY that stupid? That saying has been around FOREVER.

Better luck next time, Tree-Hugger.
I guess asking you to come up with something fresh IS too much to ask.

Oh sure. Then when he does come in with something fresh, you bitch about the fact that he lifted it from another board.

RevLimiter · Post by **RevLimiter** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:05 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
BSmack wrote:
RevLimiter wrote: Are you REALLY that stupid? That saying has been around FOREVER.

Better luck next time, Tree-Hugger.
I guess asking you to come up with something fresh IS too much to ask.

Oh sure. Then when he does come in with something fresh, you bitch about the fact that he lifted it from another board.

Just goes to show that you can't please everybody.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:15 pm

Your stupider then I thought.

- KCNeely