Harvdog wrote:SunCoastSooner wrote:Terry in Crapchester wrote:Going back to this point . . .
You're right that the SWC was dying, but you can't pin that on Texas. Being relegated completely to one state (after Arkansas left, anyway) and having four private schools as members certainly didn't help.
I don't know enough about the Big 12 to try and rank them, but I'm pretty sure I'd have Texas higher than #3 if I did.
Actually you can pin its failure squarely on texass. UT forced conference policies on the rest of the schools with veiled threat to leave for greener pastures or becoming an independant that hindered their ability to compete with texass. It killed the compition in the conference and it actually hurt Texass itself in the long run as well. If not for the Big 8 Texass football would still be slugging along at 8 and 9 win seasons in a conference on the same par as the Mountain West.
Texass killed the SWC and is trying to do so to the Big 12 now. Nebraska and MIzzou would both jump ship at first sign of a decent island and Texass is the catlyst of this.
You have spewed some really ignorant shit in your days but this has to take the cake. Texas didn't want Prop 48 athletes. Outside of OU every other school did. Texas wanted to stop NU from allowing counties to give Blue Chip kids "county" scholarships. Funny how NU has basically sucked since texas joined the Big XII. Since they cannot have 150 kids on the football team, the playing field is leveled.
If we had not joined the Big XII we would be in the Pac-10. Saying that we would be in the MWC is not only assinine but stinks of OU bias. Outside of Football, what has OU brought to the conference? Made the Final Four in girls basketball. Check, Texas did too. Made the Final Four in Men's Basketball....check Texas did too. Won a MNC in Football...check, Texas did too. CWS title? Nope. Texas did, twice.
Okay first off Bullshit.
#1 the county scholarship is Nebraska is an ancient myth of epcot puportions. Did Nebraska give out scholarships to county kids? Yes. On average Nebraska received just slightly (as in decimal point slightly) over 2 walk on caliber players who for the most part, especially when they were at their peak in the mid 90s might get lucky to see the field once their senior year on senior day. Second of all for a team that has
"sucked" since Texass came into the league they sure have more conference football titles than the whorns and played for as many national titles in the time period in question, moron.
Second I didn't say that Texas would be in the MWC, pull the shit from your myopic texas dick scanners and learn how to read. I stated that the old SWC conference was on par with the current Mountain West which is a pretty damn accurate assesment.
What has Oklahoma brought to the conference? We still have more football titles (and I don't just mean National but conference as well), twice as many BCS games as Texass, we have made the NCAA or NIT Tourny for something like 38 of the last 39 years. And it's two women's final fours as well as 9 of the last 11 WCWS and you can toss in four title games and one national title in that stretch as well (we have more WCWS apperances than any school outside of California and the Pac 10). Oklahoma aslo has only finished outside of the top 5 at the NCAA wrestling tournamnent twice in the last
50 years, never outside of the top 10 in the history of the sport and is third in national titles behind Oklahoma State and Iowa. And hell since we are going to toss out every shit aspect of the athletic program out there how about 6 of the last 8 men's gymnastics titles, 5 Olympians, the 2 most decorated males in the history of American Gymnastics, the 3 highest scores in the history of the NCAA along with 7 of the top 10 point totals. Hell for well over the last decade only Penn State and Ohio State have even been mildly competitive with us in the sport.
But none of those facts have any beering on the argument at hand. Texass detractions from the conference have more to do with their standing on side issues and go far beyond just the county scholarships and prop 48 kids a decade ago. They have to do with revenue generated by television, corperate sponsorship, officiating, etcetera and are all issues that cause animosity today not ten years ago. Mizzou, Nebraska and damn near the entirty of the conference with the exceptions of Oklahoma and Kansas deeply regret allowing Texass into the conference and that is a well known public fact. You think that it is a coincidence that every recent prediction of conference realignments has centered around Big 12 teams being poached off by our neighbors.
You love Pac 10 so damn much get ready for them cause at the rate the Tsips are going you'll be enjoying their company a lot sooner than you expect while Oklahoma and A&M are partying with schools such as Bama, LSU, and Florida in the SEC. On the bright side foir the rest of us we will get to watch UCLA lay the wood on you by double digit margins of victory on a regular basis rather than just sporadically...
