Bye bye Barry

battery chucka' one · Post by **battery chucka' one** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:11 pm

Bonds won't be back for the Giants next year.

Thanks for 15 excellent years, Barry. Have fun in pinstripes.

On the huge upside, this helps the Giants two fold.

1. He makes $20 million per. Frees up a bit of payroll to sign somebody (or two somebodies).

2. It opens an outfield spot. We have some excellent youngsters coming along (Lewis, Davis, Ortmeier, Frandsen, and Schierholtz). Looks like O is being preened to play first base. We need some spots in the outfield for them to play. They'll probably keep Winn. I hope Roberts is gone, too. (Durham also, but I think they might have given him a two year deal last offseason)

On the downside, he's been the face of the franchise for 15 years. Always hard to replace. No hard feelings, but it was time to move on.

Peace.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:45 am

Toddowen wrote:I'd much rather make a spot for a younger player

"He was kidding, right?"

"Think so."

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:11 am

If the Yanks sign that motherfucker I become a Red Sox fan.......until they get rid of him. No fucking way I root for that asshole. EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:15 am

Laxplayer wrote:If the Yanks sign that motherfucker I become a Red Sox fan.......until they get rid of him. No fucking way I root for that asshole. EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lax,

Sorry dude, but you aren't allowed to become a Red sox fan!! Just like I will never be allowed to be a Yankke fan. and I wouldn't even joke about it!!

Good Luck with Barry. I hear it's a done deal!!

battery chucka' one · Post by **battery chucka' one** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:05 am

Laxplayer wrote:If the Yanks sign that motherfucker I become a Red Sox fan.......until they get rid of him. No fucking way I root for that asshole. EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come now, Lax. I said that he will be in pinstripes. Many different teams wear pinstripes. The Padres and Cubs, for two.

That said, I hear Bonds has purchased an uptown manhattan apartment and was seen out with Jeter. But, no reason to get nervous, bro'.

:wink:

Terry in Crapchester · Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:49 pm

Bonds would've been a good pickup -- ten years ago. Or even more recently than that. But what does he bring to the table now?

Not to mention that the last batch of Yankee teams that won the World Series had excellent clubhouse chemistry. Bonds is a walking clubhouse cancer -- there is THAT to consider. But then again, Steinbrenner might as well have 'SUCKER" written across his forehead, so Bonds probably is headed to the Yankees. :brad:

Of course, watching Bonds try to deal with the NY media could make for some fun. But I don't want that kind of fun at the expense of the team's success.

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:08 am

Dammit Jack, why not....then fuck it. If Bond$ becomes a Yankee I take a year off from baseball. Granted Terry makes a good point with Barry and the NY media.....I'd have to find a way to get the Yes network so I could see the press conferences....Barry and the NY media, Barry and George, Barry and the Yankee fans......Nah, fuck it, I don't want to ever see that bastard disrespecting the honor that is to wear a Yankee uniform.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:32 pm

I want to see him in 'stripes just to watch the ny hyenaserrrr reporters go after him.

Personally, I think he'd handle it OK simply because besides turning on a fastball, there is one other thing he is good at, not giving a fukkk.

He pretty much showed that last night in a fiting end to his days with the giants. He went ohferr, then went to his locker, cleared it out and left without a word to anybody.

Pure class, baroid. Pure fukking class.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:38 pm

The Padres were glad to have him on the field last night.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:25 pm

I can't imagine the Yanks or Sox signing Bonds with their current DH situations...Giambi/Matsui and Ortiz respectively. I see him going to the A's, Mariners or Angels. Most of the top teams in the AL are already set at DH...Detroit with Sheffield (if he doesn't retire), Cleveland with Hafner, Toronto with Thomas, Chicago with Thome. I'd be willing to bet he ends up somewhere in the AL West where those teams don't have a great DH option and could use an upgrade. I'd rather have Bonds than say Anderson, Vidro or Piazza. He's not going to help you in the field and if he's able to keep his attitude in check, his bat will help most teams. Personally, I wouldn't want him but I think some team would give him a try if his asking price isn't too high.

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:25 pm

A lot of AL teams might feel pressure NOT to sign him, because Selig doesn't want him around anymore.

And his asking price WILL be too high. It was pretty high this year for a player so desperate to win a world series but I'm sure the Giants got their moneys worth out of him, considering that anyone who bought a world series ticket had to commit to season tickets for next year (they have 29,000 season tickets sold for next year already).

But Zito and Bonds Combined sucked up a lot of money this year, thus the reason why the Aurilias, Kleskos and Roberts were signed, and also part of why they finished in last place.

I'm really glad to see him go. He bitched to the media last Friday about not being notified sooner that he wasn't coming back so he would have been able to "properly thank the fans and say goodbye", but then the hypocritical asshole didn't come out at the end of his last game to say anything or even just wave goodbye, and he was invisible for the entire last series at home until the last day.

Good riddance. Time to move on.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:38 am

Laxplayer wrote:If Bond$ becomes a Yankee I take a year off from baseball.

I thought the Yanks already had a left handed DH for 2008. Do you really think they want Giambi playing 1B full-time?

How would signing Bonds fill the voids left by Posada, Clemens, Pettitte, Mussina, Abreu, etc, etc, etc? I'd be shocked if he became a Yankee.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:57 pm

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
Laxplayer wrote:If Bond$ becomes a Yankee I take a year off from baseball.

I thought the Yanks already had a left handed DH for 2008. Do you really think they want Giambi playing 1B full-time?

How would signing Bonds fill the voids left by Posada, Clemens, Pettitte, Mussina, Abreu, etc, etc, etc? I'd be shocked if he became a Yankee.

Is Abreu a goner? What becomes of the outfield? Does Damon move back into a regular spot instead of platooning at DH/LF? Cabrera seems to have solidified a spot in center...does that mean Matsui or Damon moves to right and the other guy would be the full-time left fielder? This would allow Giambi to be the DH and the Yanks can throw some cash a decent first baseman. I guess a lot depends on what happens with A-Rod also.

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:31 pm

Shoalzie wrote: I guess a lot depends on what happens with A-Rod also.

He'll either be an Angel or a Dodger-period.

Next question...

Terry in Crapchester · Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:34 pm

Shoalzie wrote:
ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
Laxplayer wrote:If Bond$ becomes a Yankee I take a year off from baseball.

I thought the Yanks already had a left handed DH for 2008. Do you really think they want Giambi playing 1B full-time?

How would signing Bonds fill the voids left by Posada, Clemens, Pettitte, Mussina, Abreu, etc, etc, etc? I'd be shocked if he became a Yankee.

Is Abreu a goner? What becomes of the outfield? Does Damon move back into a regular spot instead of platooning at DH/LF? Cabrera seems to have solidified a spot in center...does that mean Matsui or Damon moves to right and the other guy would be the full-time left fielder? This would allow Giambi to be the DH and the Yanks can throw some cash a decent first baseman. I guess a lot depends on what happens with A-Rod also.

I could be wrong about this, but I don't see any way that Posada leaves. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/02/p ... _conc.html The Yankees may give him a little more time off (they've occasionally DH'ed him this year) to prolong his career.

I'm also pretty sure that the Yankees pick up Abreu's option. Essentially that amounts to a 1 year, $14 million deal. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/bobby_abreu/index.html If the Yankees pass on that, there are plenty of teams that would be willing to do that.

But I think the Yankees keep Abreu if only because letting him go throws the outfield into chaos. Damon doesn't have the arm to play RF, which means that either Matsui moves over to RF, a position he's never played, or Damon returns to CF and Cabrera moves over to RF. But I think the Yankees want to keep Cabrera in CF. If the Yankees get rid of either Abreu or Damon, I think Damon makes more sense of the two, although Abreu has greater trade value.

If Pettite does not come back with the Yankees, he'll retire. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/andy_pettitte/index.html Mussina and Clemens probably are both goners, just a hunch.

Giambi has one year left on his contract and an option for '09 that I'm pretty sure won't be picked up. The Yankees have looked into voiding the contract based on his admitted steroid usage. I'm not sure they'll succeed, but look for '08 to be Giambi's last year with the Yankees.

Imho, the Yankees biggest priorities are in-house: bring back Posada and Pettite, pick up the option on Abreu and keep A-Rod in house (the big unknown, fortunately, the Yankees are one of the few teams in baseball financially capable of doing that). I don't see any way to bring Bonds in, even if it were desirable, unless he's willing to play for a lot less than he has in the past.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:44 am

Going to the As makes sense. No need to move. Trouble is, the As have to actually watch what they spend unlike the sox and yanks.

The sox have big papi in the lefthand DH role and unlike barroid, papi actually produces when it matters.

The yanks? Who the fukkk knows? George has done stupider things with his money like paying Roger about a million bucks a week. Maybe he will go there.

So, if barry wants to just hang around and make it alittle tougher for arod to catch him, maybe he'll head across the bay. If he wants the $$$$, maybe the yanks. I don't know who else would cough up so much jack for somebody that brings alot of potential trouble.

battery chucka' one · Post by **battery chucka' one** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:05 pm

Wherever he goes, I am happy that he's leaving the Giants. They have been making proper moves to set them up long term. The Morris deal was genius and cleared up around $10 million per year. Barry Bonds gives them $18 million more. I hope they give the youth a chance to do their thing. I'd like to see them re-sign Omar (and I know he wants to come back) and with the young pitching staff, Molina might be a necessity (I do like him behind the plate, too). As for Feliz, I don't know. He's nice, but streaky (read: inconsistent). Don't see any 3B coming down the pipes anytime soon. Perhaps they can go after one in the off-season. Perhaps the Giants could get A-Rod. They do have $30 million to spend. Hmmmm. That wouldn't suck. He could come some place where he's actually appreciated. :wink: Heck, if Omar's gone, they could even put A-Rod at SS and get another 3B (Lowell would be nice). Or, perhaps keep A-Rod at 3B and pick up somebody like Eckstein for SS.

Board, how do those sound to ya'? :D

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:04 pm

i can't see the sox letting lowell get away.

Terry in Crapchester · Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:40 am

For that matter, I don't see the Yankees letting A-Rod get away, at least not without a fight.

And if winning a World Series (about the only thing he hasn't yet done) matters, he has a much better chance with the Yankees than with the Giants.

battery chucka' one · Post by **battery chucka' one** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:17 am

Toddowen wrote:Isn't it comforting, Baroid, to know next to whom your asterisk engraved tombstone will be placed next to?

Yes, indeed. His tombstone will be placed among the monuments in Yankee's Stadium, probably somewhere between The Babe and Lou.

There there, I'm joking. Sense of humor, people.

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:11 pm

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Not funny......

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:17 pm

battery chucka' one wrote:Wherever he goes, I am happy that he's leaving the Giants. They have been making proper moves to set them up long term. The Morris deal was genius and cleared up around $10 million per year. Barry Bonds gives them $18 million more. I hope they give the youth a chance to do their thing. I'd like to see them re-sign Omar (and I know he wants to come back) and with the young pitching staff, Molina might be a necessity (I do like him behind the plate, too). As for Feliz, I don't know. He's nice, but streaky (read: inconsistent). Don't see any 3B coming down the pipes anytime soon. Perhaps they can go after one in the off-season. Perhaps the Giants could get A-Rod. They do have $30 million to spend. Hmmmm. That wouldn't suck. He could come some place where he's actually appreciated. :wink: Heck, if Omar's gone, they could even put A-Rod at SS and get another 3B (Lowell would be nice). Or, perhaps keep A-Rod at 3B and pick up somebody like Eckstein for SS.

Board, how do those sound to ya'? :D

I don't expect to see A rod in SF. However the G's have done the right thing this month by bringing up a lot of AAA guys to test them out, pitchers and position guys. Next year we'll have a better defense and a more aggressive base running team. If only they could get rid of Durham, and Roberts. I believe they're both signed at least thru next year. What Roberts brings to the plate is pretty much counteracted by how poorly he plays in the field, and I'm tired of Durham either being injured too much or hitting like a very good pitcher. I think he's batting around .170 for September. We should also be saying sayonara to Aurilia and Klesko. Frandsen and Ortmeier look like they'll be able to fill those spots nicely. Ortmeier has been working with J.T. Snow at First. I think Omar may be back. His ability at SS is still amazing. He had a bad year at the plate, but he brings a lot to the team. They gave Molina the McCovey award, and he was the best clutch hitter on this team this year. I'm sure he'll be back.

We need to get rid of Taschner and Messenger. Messenger has rarely pitched well here and the dumbass broke his hand punching something in the dugout, but it was worth getting him to get rid get rid of Benitez. Taschner just leaks runs. with an ERA of Nearly 6 out of the BP as a middle reliever, he just seems to come in and make trouble for someone else to clean up, or give up key hits, like last night. In 50 IP, he's got 44 hits and 31 runs? Jesus.

Starting rotation is solid, and Wilson looks like a winner. Not so sure about TY Walker yet, though he pitched well last night.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:08 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:For that matter, I don't see the Yankees letting A-Rod get away, at least not without a fight.

And if winning a World Series (about the only thing he hasn't yet done) matters, he has a much better chance with the Yankees than with the Giants.

you are right. when was the last time somebody left the yanks for more money?

if last year was his option year maybe, just to get away from the PITA ny press and ingrate fans, but, after the way he has carried them this season, even nyers have to like him.

ofcourse that could all blow away with a bad playoff showing.

if there is anybody out there that can lure barry away, I'd like to know who it is. the sox are the only other team I know that spend as wrecklessly as the yanks, but, they have had a very productive farm system the last few years, so they really don't need him.

Not saying they wouldn't love to get him, but I doubt they are willing to write that kinda check.

battery chucka' one · Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:06 pm

Mister Bushice wrote:I don't expect to see A rod in SF. However the G's have done the right thing this month by bringing up a lot of AAA guys to test them out, pitchers and position guys. Next year we'll have a better defense and a more aggressive base running team. If only they could get rid of Durham, and Roberts. I believe they're both signed at least thru next year. What Roberts brings to the plate is pretty much counteracted by how poorly he plays in the field, and I'm tired of Durham either being injured too much or hitting like a very good pitcher. I think he's batting around .170 for September. We should also be saying sayonara to Aurilia and Klesko. Frandsen and Ortmeier look like they'll be able to fill those spots nicely. Ortmeier has been working with J.T. Snow at First. I think Omar may be back. His ability at SS is still amazing. He had a bad year at the plate, but he brings a lot to the team. They gave Molina the McCovey award, and he was the best clutch hitter on this team this year. I'm sure he'll be back.

We need to get rid of Taschner and Messenger. Messenger has rarely pitched well here and the dumbass broke his hand punching something in the dugout, but it was worth getting him to get rid get rid of Benitez. Taschner just leaks runs. with an ERA of Nearly 6 out of the BP as a middle reliever, he just seems to come in and make trouble for someone else to clean up, or give up key hits, like last night. In 50 IP, he's got 44 hits and 31 runs? Jesus.

Starting rotation is solid, and Wilson looks like a winner. Not so sure about TY Walker yet, though he pitched well last night.

Yes. Giving Durham two years was foolish. Perhaps the Brewers need a second baseman. Dunno. I didn't like the Roberts deal at all from day one.

Taschner and Munter were both the phenoms a few years back, slumped in their second years, and have never really got it back. They gave Tachner his full season this year and he pitched poorly. I think that speaks for itself. Messenger pitched well right off the bat, but never came back from the injury (I didn't know how he got injured until you said so in your post). Walker used to be their closer. I like him. I haven't seen Wilson pitch, only seen the results. Hennessey was a welcome surprise this year. Sanchez might be overrated. I think Correia is a better option at starter. Snow helping Ortmeier says all we need to hear on that part. That's awesome.

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:34 pm

Yeah, Snow has signed on with the Giants organization as sort of a jack of all trades. He did a few radio game broadcasts, which weren't half bad. He used to "umm" and "ahhh" a lot, but during hitting situations he brought up some good stuff, and with each broadcast he improved.

Right now he's in Arizona, working with the instructional league players. Off and on during the season he was either helping out one of the rookies here, or somewhere on the minor league level, instructing. I think he's an awesome fit for a job like that, and maybe we'll see a couple of decent position players come out of the farm system because of it.

Correia was fairly terrible out of the pen, but had some excellent starts his last 4-5 outings as a starter. Apparently thats what he wants to be. If he can maintain, We will be looking good 1-5 next year.

Wilson has been excellent as a closer, although one game Bochy put him in early and left him in too long
(35 pitches), and he flamed out, but he has pitched some excellent 9th innings.

If Walker can establish some consistency (he's been up and down since he came back) We'll have a great 1-2 punch coming into the 8th inning next year.

Terry in Crapchester · Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:54 pm

smackaholic wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:For that matter, I don't see the Yankees letting A-Rod get away, at least not without a fight.

And if winning a World Series (about the only thing he hasn't yet done) matters, he has a much better chance with the Yankees than with the Giants.
you are right. when was the last time somebody left the yanks for more money?

if last year was his option year maybe, just to get away from the PITA ny press and ingrate fans, but, after the way he has carried them this season, even nyers have to like him.

ofcourse that could all blow away with a bad playoff showing.

if there is anybody out there that can lure barry away, I'd like to know who it is. the sox are the only other team I know that spend as wrecklessly as the yanks, but, they have had a very productive farm system the last few years, so they really don't need him.

Not saying they wouldn't love to get him, but I doubt they are willing to write that kinda check.

I worry about A-Rod having a bad playoff showing, moreso for the future than for this year. The kind of booing he's heard in the past could influence his decision whether to return.

As for Barry, I don't think either the Yankees or the Red Sox need him. At this point, he's a DH if he goes to an American League team. The Yankees already have Giambi (a bit of an albatross, but he does have one year left on his contract that they can't eat) as a left-handed hitting DH. The Red Sox have Ortiz (a legitimate MVP candidate) as a left-handed hitting DH. Neither team has room for him.

So where does Bonds go? I suspect it will be either the Angels or the A's. The Angels have a reputation for spending big at times (albeit not nearly as recklessly as either the Yankees or the Red Sox), could use a little more pop out of the DH, and this would give Bonds the chance to retire on a warm-weather team. And given that the Bay Area is about the only place on the map where the fans still love Barry, the A's doubtless will feel some pressure from their fanbase to make an offer to him.

FATALFART · Post by **FATALFART** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:18 am

i would of been nice to have a replacement for barry, i guess dave roberts in lf will have to due

battery chucka' one · Post by **battery chucka' one** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:17 pm

FATALFART wrote:i would of been nice to have a replacement for barry, i guess dave roberts in lf will have to due

They already have one. His name is Fred Lewis.