That sounds terrific.See You Next Wednesday wrote:I suggest that a team have the option to quit, that way they can save themselves the embarrassment. You know, they can tell the refereee, "All right, we're done." That way everybody is happy, players don't get hurt. The quitters aren't "embarrassed". And the dominating team doesn't have to worry about the perception of them running up the score.
Better put some extra heavy duty springs on that bandwagon Pats fans.RevLimiter wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:I prempt this post by saying the Patriots will win on Sunday night- probably by 2 tds. But if the Eagles have any shot at keeping this game close, it won't be with McNabb. He's been awful this year and him trying to play with a gimp ankle would only make matters worse. I am anxious to see how Westbrook plays against the Pats D, though.
First- stop drinking Soda- it's really bad for you. I stopped drinking that shit 2 months ago and I've never felt better.ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:jiminphilly wrote:I prempt this post by saying the Patriots will win on Sunday night- probably by 2 tds. But if the Eagles have any shot at keeping this game close, it won't be with McNabb. He's been awful this year and him trying to play with a gimp ankle would only make matters worse. I am anxious to see how Westbrook plays against the Pats D, though.
:Soda through my nose:
This game and the Jets game are two instances where I see them running the hurry-up for 60 minutes, using all 6 timeouts, and attempting numerous onsides kicks in an effort to break the NFL single game scoring record. Good luck with that 14 pt prediction……
see, that's why you're not a coach in the NFL......would you like me to start listing all of the improbable comebacks in the history of the NFL......start with Buffalo/Tennessee-Houston and go from therejiminphilly wrote:
Next. That's what it means. It means, my starters did their job, game over. No need to risk injury.
see the answer above.....That's kinda implied when the scoreboard shows a team down by 3+ tds, right?
let me ask you this.....lets suppose Belichick had pulled the starters and Buffalo came back on them? What then, throw the starters (who've been sitting on the bench) back out after they've had plenty of time to go cold, lose focus, etc. I'd venture to say there's a much higher probability of the starters being hurt under that scenario........To me it's smart coaching. Why leave your starters in and risk injury in a meaningless 2nd half of a game?
Because Miami was still trying to win the game......they were throwing long passes trying for the quick score.....now, had they gone into their "we're just going to run it" offense, I'm pretty sure Brady would have remained on the bench.....When Belichick pulls Brady (like he did in Miami) and then puts him back in (like he did in Miami) what does that say?
Yes. Against a Kerry Collins Tennessee offense that was firing on all cylinders that day....except for the fourth quarter. The Texans were down 35-7 early in the 4th quarter and then reeled off 29 unanswered points. Anything is possible. Just ask the '93 Oilers.See You Next Wednesday wrote:Hell, just this year, didn't Sage Rosenfels, of all people almost lead the Texans back from 28 down in the 4th quarter against some team?
Bad example….. Horribly bad.jiminphilly wrote:if the Dolphins can put up 28 points against the Patriots, I think the Eagles can do the same.
Do they teach you people how to read up there in PA?BSmack wrote:Better put some extra heavy duty springs on that bandwagon Pats fans.RevLimiter wrote:
Read more, post WAY less bubba.RevLimiter wrote:Oh, and before some of you ankle-biting fucktards get any wise ideas, this post of mine is IN NO WAY WHATSOEVER some kind of bandwagon-jumping exercise on my part. I'm only pointing out that whether you like them or not if you have any kind of football IQ higher than the weight of your mouse pad you HAVE to recognize that the '07 Patriots are in very good shape to go down as the greatest NFL team ever assembled if they run the table.
Wet-Brained Fucktard wrote:I know we here like to talk shit and we do tend to get, how you say, immature at times. At some points, the banter on a board like this can be somewhat childish. It happens.
Felix wrote:see, that's why you're not a coach in the NFL......would you like me to start listing all of the improbable comebacks in the history of the NFL......start with Buffalo/Tennessee-Houston and go from there.jiminphilly wrote:
Next. That's what it means. It means, my starters did their job, game over. No need to risk injury.
Please do- The game you referenced was how long ago? The amount of 'miracle' comebacks compared to the amount of blowout wins will most likely be negligible. Since you offered to do the research, please list both. The fact is those comebacks provide for a great gimmic article on espn.com but in reality they are few are far between and a comeback loss against the Dolphins is far less an issue than Brady snapping an ACL and being out for the season
see the answer above.....That's kinda implied when the scoreboard shows a team down by 3+ tds, right?
let me ask you this.....lets suppose Belichick had pulled the starters and Buffalo came back on them? What then, throw the starters (who've been sitting on the bench) back out after they've had plenty of time to go cold, lose focus, etc. I'd venture to say there's a much higher probability of the starters being hurt under that scenario........To me it's smart coaching. Why leave your starters in and risk injury in a meaningless 2nd half of a game?
perish the thought that the defense might actually want to play defense....instead, lets have the Patriots just start taking a knee when they're up by 35 points....we'll call it "The Patriot Clause"
never said they should take a knee but last I checked, backup QB's know how to hand the ball off and in a game like that (or virtually any of their blow out wins), the last thing the Patriots should be worrying about is getting quick scores. They should be concerned about making the game as short as possible so no one important gets hurt. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend? If this were week 3 or 4 I wouldn't even be making an issue of this but the Patriots have the playoffs, a 1st round bye and home field advantage locked up. There is absolutely no reason for them to be risking injury this late in the season.
Because Miami was still trying to win the game......they were throwing long passes trying for the quick score.....now, had they gone into their "we're just going to run it" offense, I'm pretty sure Brady would have remained on the bench.....When Belichick pulls Brady (like he did in Miami) and then puts him back in (like he did in Miami) what does that say?
When Brady was put back in the game, it was because Cassel through an INT with 11:35 left in the 4th quarter of a game in which the Patriots were winning 42-21. What the fuck was Cassel doing throwing the ball with a 3 TD lead in the 4th quarter? Why weren't the Patriots milking that clock to 5 seconds, snapping it and running the ball? What does Brady do when he comes back in the game? Throw that precious 6td pass to ensure a 4 TD win against the vaunted and winless Miami Dolpins. Seriously, Felix. When did you become such a fucken tard?
.. and what about the lack of 60 points against the vaunted Cleveland and Cincinnati defenses? Were they just taking it easy those game?ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:Bad example….. Horribly bad.jiminphilly wrote:if the Dolphins can put up 28 points against the Patriots, I think the Eagles can do the same.
New England was up 42-7 at the half and actually took the pedal off of the gas to rest some starters. Scrubs on D got sloppy, Cassell threw a pick 6, and things almost got interesting (42-21)
Belichick put Brady and other starters back in and you pussies have been crying about the score being run up ever since…
Nice non sequitur… and here I thought we were discussing your myopic 14 pt predictionjiminphilly wrote:Things are not interseting in a 42-21 game when a backup QB is throwing the ball with 11 minutes left in a game instead of handing it off to run time off the clock. I could care less about the Patriots running up the score- I'm addressing the possible injury issue.
I don't think anyone's disputing that point. To this point thru 10 games, I'd have to say that they ARE indeed the best team I've ever seen.RevLimiter wrote:...the '07 Patriots are in very good shape to go down as the greatest NFL team ever assembled if they run the table.
I didn't offer to do anything of the kind......jiminphilly wrote:
Please do- The game you referenced was how long ago? The amount of 'miracle' comebacks compared to the amount of blowout wins will most likely be negligible. Since you offered to do the research, please list both. The fact is those comebacks provide for a great gimmic article on espn.com but in reality they are few are far between and a comeback loss against the Dolphins is far less an issue than Brady snapping an ACL and being out for the season
So you'd prefer that Belichick coach so as not to get any of his players hurt.......gotcha.....never said they should take a knee but last I checked, backup QB's know how to hand the ball off and in a game like that (or virtually any of their blow out wins), the last thing the Patriots should be worrying about is getting quick scores. They should be concerned about making the game as short as possible so no one important gets hurt. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?
no, they don't...If this were week 3 or 4 I wouldn't even be making an issue of this but the Patriots have the playoffs, a 1st round bye and home field advantage locked up.
you'd have to take that up with Belichick......When Brady was put back in the game, it was because Cassel through an INT with 11:35 left in the 4th quarter of a game in which the Patriots were winning 42-21. What the fuck was Cassel doing throwing the ball with a 3 TD lead in the 4th quarter?
When did you become such a bleeding vagina........Seriously, Felix. When did you become such a fucken tard?
Edit-jiminphilly wrote:In- you pompous cunt. :D:DucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:Sig Bet for a week and you get Phillie +25
Felix wrote:I didn't offer to do anything of the kind......jiminphilly wrote:
Please do- The game you referenced was how long ago? The amount of 'miracle' comebacks compared to the amount of blowout wins will most likely be negligible. Since you offered to do the research, please list both. The fact is those comebacks provide for a great gimmic article on espn.com but in reality they are few are far between and a comeback loss against the Dolphins is far less an issue than Brady snapping an ACL and being out for the season
opps sorry, you'r right.. you simply offered to link up one of those gimmick articles I mentioned. So in other words you have nothing.
I'll just put you down for the "New England should be penalized for being so good" category.....
make sure you find the quote or reference where I said that.
So you'd prefer that Belichick coach so as not to get any of his players hurt.......gotcha.....never said they should take a knee but last I checked, backup QB's know how to hand the ball off and in a game like that (or virtually any of their blow out wins), the last thing the Patriots should be worrying about is getting quick scores. They should be concerned about making the game as short as possible so no one important gets hurt. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?
Isn't that your 3rd string RB is for? Running the ball to shorten the game on a blowout has been the most convential style of play in the NFL for quite some time. Bill wants to change that and he's going to get snake biten.
If this were week 3 or 4 I wouldn't even be making an issue of this but the Patriots have the playoffs, a 1st round bye and home field advantage locked up.
no, they don't...
For all intents and purposes, they do. The Steelers and Colts or AFC West are in no position to overtake the Pats for HFA. Although they would if the Pats lose Brady or Moss to injury..
When Brady was put back in the game, it was because Cassel through an INT with 11:35 left in the 4th quarter of a game in which the Patriots were winning 42-21. What the fuck was Cassel doing throwing the ball with a 3 TD lead in the 4th quarter?
you'd have to take that up with Belichick......
I'm pretty sure he's busy with some North Jersey house slunt right now. Or maybe he's watching a film or 2. Maybe later.
Seriously, Felix. When did you become such a fucken tard?
When did you become such a bleeding vagina........
What the hell are you talking about? I already said the Patriots were going to win... Ucant gave is giving me 25.. I would have been crazy not to take that bet, especially in light of the stats I produced.Neely8 wrote:Do you really think any of that is going to help your shit talking team on Sunday night??? Come and get your rings back boys. All you have to do is beat the Pats at home. Good luck with that.....
jiminphilly wrote:What the hell are you talking about? I already said the Patriots were going to win... Ucant gave is giving me 25.. I would have been crazy not to take that bet, especially in light of the stats I produced.Neely8 wrote:Do you really think any of that is going to help your shit talking team on Sunday night??? Come and get your rings back boys. All you have to do is beat the Pats at home. Good luck with that.....
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jiminphilly wrote:What the hell are you talking about? I already said the Patriots were going to win... Ucant gave is giving me 25.. I would have been crazy not to take that bet, especially in light of the stats I produced.Neely8 wrote:Do you really think any of that is going to help your shit talking team on Sunday night??? Come and get your rings back boys. All you have to do is beat the Pats at home. Good luck with that.....
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In all serious- is this the type of dribble you Pats fans are going to toss around the rest of the season?Neely8 wrote:jiminphilly wrote:What the hell are you talking about? I already said the Patriots were going to win... Ucant gave is giving me 25.. I would have been crazy not to take that bet, especially in light of the stats I produced.Neely8 wrote:Do you really think any of that is going to help your shit talking team on Sunday night??? Come and get your rings back boys. All you have to do is beat the Pats at home. Good luck with that.....
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You posted stats about double digit dogs and they are 3-0 and blah blah blah. I asked if you really thought that past performances are going to help your team to not lose by more then 25? What other teams did has no bearing on how shitty the Eagles are. Not only do they suck, but then they decided to open up their yaps earlier this season and talk about how they should get their rings back. If you thought the Patriots ran it up before Sunday night then just be prepared. 55-17 is my score. It could be even worse if they really feel like it.....
jiminphilly wrote:In all serious- is this the type of dribble you Pats fans are going to toss around the rest of the season?Neely8 wrote:jiminphilly wrote: What the hell are you talking about? I already said the Patriots were going to win... Ucant gave is giving me 25.. I would have been crazy not to take that bet, especially in light of the stats I produced.
Read more and post less Neely.
You posted stats about double digit dogs and they are 3-0 and blah blah blah. I asked if you really thought that past performances are going to help your team to not lose by more then 25? What other teams did has no bearing on how shitty the Eagles are. Not only do they suck, but then they decided to open up their yaps earlier this season and talk about how they should get their rings back. If you thought the Patriots ran it up before Sunday night then just be prepared. 55-17 is my score. It could be even worse if they really feel like it.....
In that case I'll resort to my typical philly fan behavior and cheer when brady goes down like Joe Theisman.
jiminphilly wrote:Edit-jiminphilly wrote:In- you pompous cunt. :D:DucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:Sig Bet for a week and you get Phillie +25
Heard a nice stat on the way home from work- since 1980 there have been 3 times where a team has been 20+ point underdogs. Against the spread they are 3-0. (the last time being Bengals vs 49ers a while back).
The Eagles have something like a .750 record when they are double digit dogs against the spread.
Why analyze any Patriot games this year? The rest of the NFL is irrelevant. This type of double dribbling and traveling is all you can expect from me. Let's check out the early SB lines::jiminphilly wrote:In all serious- is this the type of dribble you Pats fans are going to toss around the rest of the season?
ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:jiminphilly wrote:Edit-jiminphilly wrote: In- you pompous cunt. :D:D
Heard a nice stat on the way home from work- since 1980 there have been 3 times where a team has been 20+ point underdogs. Against the spread they are 3-0. (the last time being Bengals vs 49ers a while back).
The Eagles have something like a .750 record when they are double digit dogs against the spread.
Terrific stats. Very meaninful (btw -- 5 teams have been 20+ pt favorites since 80... so do I really believe your bullshit line about .750??) Not so much.
When the eagles are double digit dogs they have a record of .750 or close to it, against the spread. My source, Marc Lawrence, was on a local radio station and he said since 1980 there have been 3 teams who were 20+ dogs and all 3 times the dog covered against the spread.
Right now the line is at 23.5... when it's announced that MCNabb will miss this game, it break Pitt -24 NFL record in 76 against Tampa... oh by the way, Pitt covered 42-0.
FTFYjiminphilly wrote:You gave me 25- McNabb isn't the only player on offense-Westbrook is.
dude, I said there had been any number of improbable comebacks while you insist I was going to link you up to some list.....other posters have already noted several comebacks that have occurred this year.....jiminphilly wrote:
opps sorry, you'r right.. you simply offered to link up one of those gimmick articles I mentioned. So in other words you have nothing.
then what point are you arguing here.....this started out as a friendly discussion about what some perceive to be New England running up scores, while I've contended it is the responsibility of the other team to stop them.....now you're getting pissy because Belichick is apparently not running his team to your standards.....make sure you find the quote or reference where I said that.
fuck bud, I don't know what Belichick is thinking....why the fuck would I know why he keeps Brady in.....all I've contended throughout this thread is that there is no such thing as "running up the score" in the NFL.....these are professional athletes that make huge dollars for playing a game....right now, NE is playing it better than anybody....Isn't that your 3rd string RB is for? Running the ball to shorten the game on a blowout has been the most convential style of play in the NFL for quite some time. Bill wants to change that and he's going to get snake biten.
but they don'tFor all intents and purposes, they do.
uh I'm not the one that started hurling invectives here bud....seems like you've caught a case of the IKYABWAI virus
A quick google search will reveal your "source" is full of shit. The number is 5 teams since 1980. Again, if he can't even get that right, why in the fuck should we believe his .750 line? Do you follow? Or should I draw you a picture?jiminphilly wrote:When the eagles are double digit dogs they have a record of .750 or close to it, against the spread. My source, Marc Lawrence, was on a local radio station and he said since 1980 there have been 3 teams who were 20+ dogs and all 3 times the dog covered against the spread.
There would be a VERY long list of dominating NFL teams that could have taken a similar approach to the one NE is currently taking.Felix wrote:.....all I've contended throughout this thread is that there is no such thing as "running up the score" in the NFL.....
Agreed.poptart wrote:They're running up the scores, Felix.
Everyone is keen to it.
Am I particularly bothered by it?
No.
Do I think something 'bad' is gonna happen to NE because of their approach?
Yes, probably.
Mike the Lab Rat wrote:Agreed.poptart wrote:They're running up the scores, Felix.
Everyone is keen to it.
Am I particularly bothered by it?
No.
Do I think something 'bad' is gonna happen to NE because of their approach?
Yes, probably.
Hell, my team is the one that just got put through the shredder that is the NE Patriots and I'm not pissing and moaning over it. Nor has there been ANY public pissing or moaning from the Bills about running up the score on Sunday night - I've seen nothing in the papers, nothing in team interviews, and heard nothing on local sports radio, including when players (e.g. Anthony Hargrove, who'll I'll get back to in a minute) call in to local stations.
The Bills were just not in the same class as the Pats. Period. I don't like it, but I knew going in that even if the Bills played their "A" game, even if Lynch were able to play, that the Pats would probably still beat them handily. My team is rebuilding. I know that, as do most knowledgable Bills fans. The losses to Dungver and Dallas were, in my opinion, FAR more devastating than the Pats loss because the Bills were absolutely good enough to win in those games...until the last minute, where they broke my heart and gave those games away.
The Patriots are head and shoulders above the competition and I'll grant that some idiot player (possibly with the prior approval of a coach) is going to target Brady for serious injury not in the spirit of sportsmanship, but out of sheer childish frustration. If someone DID succeed, that'd be a damned shame and everyone rooting for it is a pathetic loser.
What kind of whiney little bitch would brag in years to come about how "cool" it was that arguably the best team that the NFL had seen in years got targeted for a cheap shot because the other team(s) couldn't outcoach Belicheck or outplay the guys on the field? I don't care that my team or your team had "the score run up on them." At least the Pats scored fairly. Responding to their legally-generated points with an illegal cheap shot is the utter depth of poor sportsmanship and classlessness. Don't want to lose by a huge margin? PLAY FUCKING BETTER. Period. My team got their ass stomped because THEY DID NOT PLAY WELL ENOUGH ON EITHER/ANY SIDE OF THE BALL. I have no love for the Patriots, but now that I've seen that my Bills couldn't beat the Pats either time this season, I'm pulling for Brady et al. to break the '72 Dolphins' record so that the one team and set of fans I absolutely hate most can shut the fuck up and go away.
The fact that Mr. "Might Makes Right" (mvscal) is in the whiney bitch contingent is a surprise. I would have though that he, of all people, would have a serious appreciation for the steamrolling the Pats put on teams. I guess his favorite philosophy gets left on the curb when it comes to his team not being on the "might" side.
Now, back to Hargrove - he called in to a local radio show (103.3 in Buffalo) on Monday and responded to reports that Brady was whining to officials about some of the licks Hargrove put on him. Hargrove confirmed that Brady was bitching about how hard he was being legally hit and claimed that at one point Brady had actually said "They can't do that to me!" It may have just been some defensive player talking shit for publicity, but if true, it confirms that Brady is as big a fucking prima donna as many folks have suspected. Unfortunately for Brady, if the vengeful sentiments in this thread are any indication of how the players feel, he's going to be bitching to refs a hell of a lot more...which won't exactly help his situation...
The only thing Brady questioned was a knee to the back by Hargrove well after he went into a slide. The QB is considered down the second his knee touches on a forward slide. You don’t have to “touch him” for him to “be down”, nor do you have to bury your own knee in his back on a late hit. Way to take a quote out of context, bitch. “They can’t do that to me” is his way of telling the officials they should have called a penalty. Not “they can’t touch me, I am Tom-Fucking Brady” as your shit-laden post suggests. Happy Thanksgiving. Go fuck yourself.Mike the Lab Rat wrote:Hargrove confirmed that Brady was bitching about how hard he was being legally hit and claimed that at one point Brady had actually said "They can't do that to me!" It may have just been some defensive player talking shit for publicity, but if true, it confirms that Brady is as big a fucking prima donna as many folks have suspected.
I certainly hope that by "bitch," you were referring the the sizable athlete who made the claim Monday afternoon on a Buffalo radio station and not me.ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:Way to take a quote out of context, bitch.
Is your deep-seated, unrequited man-love for Brady such that you're completely blinded by any perceived criticism of him? Take a deep breath and re-read what I wrote.ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:“They can’t do that to me” is his way of telling the officials they should have called a penalty. Not “they can’t touch me, I am Tom-Fucking Brady” as your shit-laden post suggests. Happy Thanksgiving. Go fuck yourself.
Joe in PB wrote: Yeah I'm the dumbass
schmick, speaking about Larry Nassar's pubescent and prepubescent victims wrote: They couldn't even kick that doctors ass
Seems they rather just lay there, get fucked and play victim
Sure it's a game, but don't lose sight of the fact that it's also a billion dollar business....with millions and millions riding on what teams and players do or don't do.....mvscal wrote: It shouldn't be a surprise. Football is a GAME. It shouldn't be necessary to point that out, but evidently there are quite a few people here and in the Asterisks' locker room who have completely lost sight of that fact.
Sure, games are supposed to be, but that's where the business of football kind of throws a monkey wrench into the works….I’d expect that if Ford Motor Co. or General Motors were to come up with a plan that would crush Honda and Toyota into sawdust, they’d avail themselves of that plan at the first opportunity and wouldn't bat an eyelash if they could bankrupt those Japanese automakers....point of fact, I expect the GM and Ford CEO's would be dancing in the streets…Games are supposed to be played in a sporting manner with respect for your opponent. If you can't or won't do that, you have no business playing.
To you, maybe….to me (and to the majority of NFL fans) they are simply an incredibly talent laden team that's playing at a level I've never seen before—they maybe the best we’ve ever seen…..The bottom line is that the Asterisks are and forever will be a pitiful disgrace to the sport. Their talent, their records and their rings mean absolutely nothing.
