Gates melts down, shits pants

[Dr_Phibes]

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WASHINGTON (AFP) - US Defense Secretary Robert Gates unleashed a storm on Wednesday by criticizing NATO forces in southern Afghanistan, saying they were ill-prepared to fight an insurgency.


"I'm worried we have some military forces that don't know how to do counter-insurgency operations," Gates told the Los Angeles Times. "Most of the European forces, NATO forces, are not trained in counter-insurgency."

Troops mainly from Britain, Canada and the Netherlands are deployed in southern Afghanistan bearing the brunt of a fierce resurgence by the Taliban Islamic militia, which left around 6,000 people dead, including some 220 international soldiers.

Gates' rare public criticism triggered surprise in NATO and among US allies, and came a day after the United States decided to send 3,200 extra troops to Afghanistan.

"I have the greatest respect for what the allies are doing in the west, the north, the east and the south," NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer told reporters at NATO headquarters in Brussels.

"And perhaps more specifically for what is being done in the south. All the countries in the south -- where the going gets tough -- are doing excellent work," he said. Australia and Denmark also have forces in the region.

The Dutch government went a step further summoning the US ambassador in The Hague to explain the comments made by Gates.

"We do not recognize ourselves in the image conjured" by Gates, Dutch Defence Secretary Eimert van Middelkoop said, arguing that Dutch troops had acted with experience and professionalism.

State Department Sean McCormack confirmed the US ambassador in The Hague was called in to clarify the remarks, but said Gates "was not directing his comments at any one country in particular, but at the alliance as a whole, which includes us."

Nearly 1,665 Dutch soldiers are deployed in Uruzgan in southern Afghanistan as part of the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF).

Gates told the LA Times that in eastern Afghanistan, troops led by General David Rodriguez, commander of US forces there, "are doing a terrific job."

"They've got the (counter-insurgency) thing down pat. But I think our allies over there, this is not something they have any experience with," the defense secretary said.

Canadian Defense Minister Peter MacKay on Wednesday played down the criticism, saying Gates had just told him by telephone the remarks were "taken out of context."

"They were comments made of a general nature about the need to focus training of NATO and the alliance on counter insurgency," MacKay said of Gates' explanation, adding: "his comments were certainly not directed at Canada."

On Tuesday, the Pentagon again urged NATO allies to send more troops to Afghanistan in order to fill a shortfall, or at the least replace temporary US reinforcements coming home later this year.

The US marine reinforcement of 3,200 extra troops will increase the US presence in Afghanistan by about 10 percent, from 27,000 to about 30,000.

But coalition commanders in Afghanistan have complained they are short three infantry battalions, 3,000 trainers and helicopters, which were promised but not delivered by NATO members.

With its military already heavily engaged in Iraq, Washington has increased pressure on NATO allies to increase their contributions, with little success.

NATO is engaged in its most ambitious mission ever trying to spread the rule of President Hamid Karzai's weak central government into more lawless parts of Afghanistan.

But ISAF troops have struggled to defeat the insurgency, particularly in the south near the mountainous border with Pakistan.

Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell Wednesday sought to temper the defense secretary's comments saying: "He did not publicly ever criticize any single country for their performance in or commitment to our mission in Afghanistan.

"In fact he is going through great pains to praise those countries who are at great risk taking the fight to the enemy" in southern Afghanistan, Morrell said.

For its part, the United States has had "some success with counter-insurgency, but we've had to learn from our mistakes," Morrell said.

"We've been now doing this for six, seven years, so we are figuring it out."

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

What a douche.

Another failed Afghan expedition. Russia laughs.

[Mikey]

Seems like the Krauts have come quite a ways since the good old Blitzkreig days.

[Cuda]

I mean what better way to prepare for the rigors of counter-insurgency warfare in the mountains of Afghanistan than nude fight club supervised by NCOs dressed up as schoolgirls.

You can't blame them, really. They must have been terribly homesick!

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

You will lose this war. Go home.

[Dr_Phibes]

We're not done killing people, Marty. I appreciate your concern for our well being.

Well that's exactly what the Secretary of Melt is complaining about. An over-reliance on heavy weapons by NATO in the south?

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From Gates:

"I'm worried we're deploying [military advisors] that are not properly trained and I'm worried we have some military forces that don't know how to do counterinsurgency operations,"

NATO stooge:

"It's been very, very difficult to apply the classic counterinsurgency doctrine because you've had to stabilize the situation sufficiently to start even applying it, even in the classic counterinsurgency doctrine, you've still got to get the fighting down to a level where you can apply the rest of the doctrine."

Who is this Gates asshole anyway? Slagging off rent-a-shock-troops in public?

[Cuda]

Who is this Gates asshole anyway?

Just think Micro$oft

[Goober McTuber]

Just think Micro$oft

There goes Cooter, thinking with his dick again.

[Dr_Phibes]

So exactly nobody is on the same page. Anyway, the marines will soon be there, leave them to go fart around the tribelands...
with light weaponry so they can bring the fighting down to a level where they can stop using heavy weaponry and rely on light weaponry which has Gates confused as to what stage of weaponry everyone is involved in.
Gates just may have to come to grips with the fact that foreign units are only there as a political gesture and nothing more.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

I wonder if he understands that to get fighting down to the desirable level you actually have to do some fighting? Or is he counting on the taliban to just drop dead in fright at his bristly martial appearance?

"Taliban" is just a funny word that you dopes find easy to pronounce, that's why you throw it around so much.

Here's another easy word: PASHTUN...as in, the entire tribe of people you are at war with...as in, the Pashtun tribe that
extends well into Pakistan.

You already lost and you don't even know it.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Here's another easy word: PASHTUN...as in, the entire tribe of people you are at war with...as in, the Pashtun tribe that
extends well into Pakistan.

We aren't at war with all the Pashtun, dumbfuck.

Unplug your keyboard now.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

You are getting off the hook that easily. You do realise that there are more than one tribe of Pashtun...don't you? No?

Hmmm. Hamid Karzai belongs to which ethnicity? Three guesses. You can do it.

You are at war with the Pashtun de facto. Geeeezzzz...you you really think your average Afghan tribal stooge cares
about the artificial distinctions made by the State Department?

But go ahead. Squeeze the Pashtun guerrillas against the Pakistani border, I'm sure nothing bad will come of that.
Your indispensable ally has your back.

[Dr_Phibes]

What makes this all the more funny is that I just read an article on the increase of heavy weapon reliance in Iraq, but it's all right as it's co-ordinated heavily with infantry. 'Oh, it's O.K., we know what we're shooting at and we're very accurate' says Colonel JohnnyMirrorSunglasses.

I'd be interested to read an in-depth critique of NATO forces targetting methods from Robert 'fingerpoint' Gates.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

...the increase of heavy weapon reliance in Iraq...

When you rely on calling in airstrikes in a country you are already occupying, the game is long over.
You just didn't hear the ref's whistle. The Sunni resistance is already pouring the bucket of Gatorade over their coach,
and you guys are still drawing up a quarterback sneak.

[BSmack]

There are 60 different tribes of Pashtun. That's their distinction, not ours. Your ignorance of Afghanistan is rivaled only by your ignorance of the United States.

Add four more and you could start setting up brackets.

[Dinsdale]

I don't see what the big deal is that a guy melted down and shit his pants. It happens.


Sin,
Gates the Shrubber

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

...your ignorance of the United States.

I know plenty about your regime.

[BSmack]

...your ignorance of the United States.

I know plenty about your regime.

You guys get American TV up on Ottawa?

[Mikey]

I'd be all for a plus one playoff system.

Let 'em all kill each other off, then we can take down the last one standing. Easy.

[Dr_Phibes]

Hmmm. Hamid Karzai belongs to which ethnicity? Three guesses. You can do it.

Former consultant for Unocal?