Smokers are FUBAR

[OCmike]

I bought smokes a couple of times when I was in TJ and found it to be hit and miss. If you bought from someone who sold in high volume, you'd probably get a decent pack of fairly fresh smokes. But if you bought from a bar or other places that might not move much tobacco, you might run into one of those packs that's been on the shelf for three years. Felt like I was blazing up a cedar tree instead of a cig. Ahhhh...TJ memories.

I mostly stayed away from TJ because I had plenty of friends that got in trouble with the law, got help up for their wallets, etc. But I did go down their during the day to go holiday shopping. It's not really a bad place until the sun goes down. Also went down there every other week or so to the Caliente sports book to do a bunch of $2 NFL parlays. Fed my urge to be a degenerate gambler, while at the same time only costing me a few bones for several different bets.

[OCmike]

I could feel the effects their smoke had on my singing voice. I knew that a table full of euros meant I'd be inhaling a ton of smoke, and that it would be difficult to sing the higher range songs later on.

Well maybe if your band had stayed away from Christopher Cross and Air Supply tunes you wouldn't have had that problem. :wink:

[Mister Bushice]

I could feel the effects their smoke had on my singing voice. I knew that a table full of euros meant I'd be inhaling a ton of smoke, and that it would be difficult to sing the higher range songs later on.

Well maybe if your band had stayed away from Christopher Cross and Air Supply tunes you wouldn't have had that problem. :wink:

I think it was covering Nena and haircut 100 tunes that did us in.

[Goober McTuber]

By 2020 I'm certain that a bucket of Extra Crispy is going to be a felony.

It should be a felony for them to sell that shit when Original Recipe is on the menu.

[Smackie Chan]

I think it's funny that the experimenter has gloves on when he's dumping out the cigarettes before the test, but uses his bare hands to play with the toxic waste left over from boiling the bong water.

[Mike the Lab Rat]

I agree that the government has gone freaking nuts with the anti-smoking crap. Restaurants, bars, etc. should have the option to be smoke-free or not. If customers don't want to give their patronage to an eatery or bar that allows nicotine addicts to indulge their habit, then they can vote with their wallets and go somewhere else. Let the frigging free market decide. As for the whining that servers (bartenders, waiters/waitresses, etc.) are "forced" to inhale the smoke of the patrons - bull. They're free to find employment someplace else.

On the other side, smokers are completely full of shit about being "oppressed." Smokers sure as hell have every right to indulge in their cancer-causing habit, but their rights stop at the tip of my nose, clothes, etc. Your bad habit of choice creates a horrendous-smelling smoke that -even if you pooh-pooh the whole secondhand smoke thing- indisputably leaves a foul-smelling residue in the hair and clothes of everyone unfortunate enough to be near you. You DON'T have the right to infringe upon the rights of the rest of us.

I can't remember which comedian it was who first pointed this out, but it pretty well explains my view:

Like you smokers, I also have a "bad habit of choice."
I choose to drink alcohol.
My bad habit also produces a waste product.
Urine.
Unlike you fucking smokers, MY waste product doesn't infringe upon the rights of my neighbors.
The next time one of you assholes decided to light up next to me and blow your waste product around me while I'm knocking back a beer, I'm going to piss on your fucking leg.

And don't get me frigging started on how smokers think of the planet as their ashtray. Not a day goes by that I don't see some folks outside tossing their butts on the ground or smoking drivers at lights emptying their car ashtrays in the road. I genuinely wish a prolonged, painful cancerous death to each and every selfish asshole to does those things.

Smokers are one of the many reasons I'm opposed to national health care. If you're dick-in-the-dirt dumb enough to smoke in this day and age, there's no goddamned way in hell you can rationally, morally, or logically argue that I should have to foot any part of the bill for your chemo, radiation, associated meds or hospital stay.

[War Wagon]

The next time one of you assholes decided to light up next to me and blow your waste product around me while I'm knocking back a beer, I'm going to piss on your fucking leg.

Hold on a second before you whip your dick out and start pissing in my direction, Rat.

If you knowingly entered a bar that allows smoking, why would you be upset when somebody lights up around you?

And don't get me frigging started on how smokers think of the planet as their ashtray. Not a day goes by that I don't see some folks outside tossing their butts on the ground or smoking drivers at lights emptying their car ashtrays in the road. I genuinely wish a prolonged, painful cancerous death to each and every selfish asshole to does those things.

I don't disagree with that, but what's worse is some fat, lazy slob of an asshole (who doesn't smoke) tossing out his Burger King sack. Litterbugs of any kind suck, but you don't drive down the road noticing cigarette butts the way you do fast food trash everywhere.

...there's no goddamned way in hell you can rationally, morally, or logically argue that I should have to foot any part of the bill for your chemo, radiation, associated meds or hospital stay.

Who says you should? I pay dearly for my own health care benefits, that I seldom ever use btw, thru outrageous HMO premiums. Hell, my premiums are probably subsidizing some fat fucker's (who doesn't smoke) angioplasty.

[Mike the Lab Rat]

The next time one of you assholes decided to light up next to me and blow your waste product around me while I'm knocking back a beer, I'm going to piss on your fucking leg.

Hold on a second before you whip your dick out and start pissing in my direction, Rat.

If you knowingly entered a bar that allows smoking, why would you be upset when somebody lights up around you?

I wouldn't be in a bar, WW...all bars are smoke-free in NY. No, I'd be at a party (even at my own house). My sister-in-law lit up a cancer stick this past Thanksgiving and I banished her to the backyard. She thought I was a Nazi, but screw her. She has no "right" to pollute my house, my clothes, my lungs, or my kids' lungs with her waste.

My point is that smokers do not have, nor can they ever legitimately claim, a right to pollute the air of non-smokers.

If there was a genuine, "smoke-free" cigarette that worked, I don't think most people would have a problem with smokers. Unfortunately, each and every smoker who chooses to light up around others is doing the equivalent of pissing on all of our legs...only worse.

I don't disagree with that, but what's worse is some fat, lazy slob of an asshole (who doesn't smoke) tossing out his Burger King sack. Litterbugs of any kind suck, but you don't drive down the road noticing cigarette butts the way you do fast food trash everywhere.

Litterers suck, but folks smoking outside do it ALL THE FRIGGING TIME.

...there's no goddamned way in hell you can rationally, morally, or logically argue that I should have to foot any part of the bill for your chemo, radiation, associated meds or hospital stay.

Who says you should? I pay dearly for my own health care benefits, that I seldom ever use btw, thru outrageous HMO premiums. Hell, my premiums are probably subsidizing some fat fucker's (who doesn't smoke) angioplasty.

Actually, one of the biggest proponents of national health care on this very board is an admitted smoker. I don't believe for a second that the government has any right to stick their hand in my pocket to pay for the consequences of someone else's self-inflicted idiocy. If you were born after the Surgeon General's warning appeared on tobacco products and STILL decided to smoke then no one but YOU should have to pay for the cost of your 100% preventable, self-inflicted health issues. Yes, IMNSHO, that also goes for gluttony-caused obesity and STD's from promiscuity also, so save that line of argument.

[Dinsdale]

Actually, one of the biggest proponents of national health care on this very board is an admitted smoker. I don't believe for a second that the government has any right to stick their hand in my pocket to pay for the consequences of someone else's self-inflicted idiocy.

Yo, Mike... what part of "smokers cost 'the system' less than nonsmokers" are you struggling with?

But you know I'm with you on the free-market thing.


The amount of liberalism being spouted in this thread is absolutely horrifying.

Your car exhaust stinks. Ban all cars. Quite the health risk, too.


Most perfumes/fragrances make me physically ill -- better tax-and-ban perfume. All public buildings should be perfume-free zones (perfume reaction is an extremely common medical problem[/i]).


I assume all of you do-good liberals are also championing these causes as well... I'm sure.

Still waiting on that credible report that secondhand tobacco smoke is harmful (but we've beaten this topic to death, and there has shown any link at all, and if someone brings up the EPA ETS study, I'll laugh until I piss myself).


FuckingA'. I guess it's time to hold a wake for America, which has died. Telling people how to run their business? What they can and can't do in their homes or cars?

Are you liberal clowns serious?

Many brave people died "protecting your freedoms" -- and now you voluntarily give them up. If you want a cause to bitch and whine about, how about honoring the brave men and women who have died over the last 232 years to try and ensure your freedoms by honoring EVERYBODY'S freedom -- rather than pick and choose which people you think are worthy of Freedom or not?


Very, very sad times.


Get a fucking life of your own, you complete fucking losers, then you won't have to worry about how others live theirs.

[Diogenes]

I bought smokes a couple of times when I was in TJ and found it to be hit and miss. If you bought from someone who sold in high volume, you'd probably get a decent pack of fairly fresh smokes. But if you bought from a bar or other places that might not move much tobacco, you might run into one of those packs that's been on the shelf for three years. Felt like I was blazing up a cedar tree instead of a cig. Ahhhh...TJ memories.

I mostly stayed away from TJ because I had plenty of friends that got in trouble with the law, got help up for their wallets, etc. But I did go down their during the day to go holiday shopping. It's not really a bad place until the sun goes down. Also went down there every other week or so to the Caliente sports book to do a bunch of $2 NFL parlays. Fed my urge to be a degenerate gambler, while at the same time only costing me a few bones for several different bets.

Hit the duty-free stores on the way into TJ next time.

As far as lighting up around non-smokers...

I never do that personally unless I ask them if it will bother them first. Simple courtesy. Now if some dumbfuck sees me smoking, decides to stand next to me and then bitches about the smoke, I will be blowing smoke in their fat fucking face.

[War Wagon]

My sister-in-law lit up a cancer stick this past Thanksgiving and I banished her to the backyard.

First time she had been at your house and didn't know the rules? No ashtrays in sight, and not even a "mind if I smoke" inquiry?

no offense, but your brother married a really dumb cunt.

My point is that smokers do not have, nor can they ever legitimately claim, a right to pollute the air of non-smokers.

There are still many public places where smoking is legal. Where I league bowl, for instance. I'll smoke there as long as it's allowed. They've installed some really expensive ventilation equipment to remove the smoke, but I'm sure that non-smokers catch a good whiff now and then. Nobody has ever complained to me that my smoking offends them, but if someone did, I'd probably tell them to go fuck themselves.

Unfortunately, each and every smoker who chooses to light up around others is doing the equivalent of pissing on all of our legs...only worse.

And maybe your being a bit too sensitive and blowing it out of proportion. Maybe a lot too sensitive. I doubt that most non-smokers are freaking out as if someone were pissing on them when someone dares to smoke in their vicinity.

Now before you go ballistic, let me say that I know these public smoking bans are eventually going to happen everywhere, even in outdoor venues. It's only a matter of time, and when it does happen, I'll have to adjust my behavior accordingly. No biggie, I can go w/o if I must. But as long as it's legal, I'm going to continue to light up.

[Dinsdale]

My point is that smokers do not have, nor can they ever legitimately claim, a right to pollute the air of non-smokers.

Priceless-btw.


Own a car?

Lawnmower?

Gas furnace?

Fireplace?


How about a crowbar, to try and remove your foot from your ass?


Nice that you've appointed yourself arbiter of who has which rights to pollute what, where, and when.

[Mike the Lab Rat]

Actually, one of the biggest proponents of national health care on this very board is an admitted smoker. I don't believe for a second that the government has any right to stick their hand in my pocket to pay for the consequences of someone else's self-inflicted idiocy.

Yo, Mike... what part of "smokers cost 'the system' less than nonsmokers" are you struggling with?

Yo, dins, what part of "smokers do not have an inalienable right to pollute my clothes, my hair, etc. with the waste products of their habit" do YOU not get?

Your car exhaust stinks. Ban all cars. Quite the health risk, too.

But automobiles are necessary for people to get to work, etc. That's not even up for debate. Oh, and cars pollute FAR less than they did in the days of old.

Smoking, on the other hand, is an unnecessary personal habit chosen by a minority of folks that produces a waste product that indisputably reeks and clings to hair, clothing, etc.

Your analogy falls COMPLETELY flat.

Most perfumes/fragrances make me physically ill

Really? Would a doctor actually testify to that? Or are you just citing a silly example to make a point?

And is the perfume a proven carcinogen to the wearer that also ALWAYS causes the non-wearers to reek of the fumes?

Like I said before, if there were a genuine "smokeless" cigarette/cigar, we probably wouldn't be having this debate.

Many brave people died "protecting your freedoms"

Yes...including the freedom to not have MY rights infringed by the selfishness of others.

Look, I know you dig being the contrarian and all that, but the truth remains that when an individual chooses to smoke, they have no right -none whatsoever- to force their wastes onto other folks. You want to smoke? Great. Do it in your own house or in a place of business that allows it. Smokers do not, nor can they rightfully claim, a "right" to puff up wherever and whenever they want, blowing their wastes everywhere.

As I said before, my "habit" is drinking and my waste is urine. I don't piss in people's hair or clothes.

Overeaters don't shit and piss all over the non-overeaters around them.

Nope, smokers alone have claimed the "right" to force the wastes of their habit literally down our throats.

When my former employer, the U of R Med Center, banned smoking in the building, the fucking smokers freaked and talked about a lawsuit. They realized that it would have gone nowhere (realizing that they don't have a "right" to smoke in a private employer's building, as well as accurately understanding public sentiment) and stopped the talk. The fuckers then congregated in the doorways to smoke, polluting the hospital entranceways. They didn't get the irony of them polluting their own lungs by choice -and everyone else's by their pure selfishness- while standing a few dozen feet away from the freaking Wilmot Cancer Center.

[Dinsdale]

Smoking, on the other hand, is an unnecessary personal habit chosen by a minority of folks that produces a waste product that indisputably reeks and clings to hair, clothing, etc.

Wow. Of all the people, I'd think you would have been among the last to ever make my "ignore list."

But you just did.

You're all about free choice, free markets, and all that libertarian stuff... as long as it doesn't æffect your personal sensibilities.

You're a laughable hypocrite who gets on a soapbox, yet stands for nothing.


Bye.

[Mike the Lab Rat]

My point is that smokers do not have, nor can they ever legitimately claim, a right to pollute the air of non-smokers.

Priceless-btw.

Own a car?

Lawnmower?

Gas furnace?

Fireplace?


How about a crowbar, to try and remove your foot from your ass?

You're an idiot.

Trying to compare the exhaust from necessities like cars and heating a house...to SMOKING?

I think you need a crowbar to remove your head from YOUR ass.

Nice that you've appointed yourself arbiter of who has which rights to pollute what, where, and when.

Nice of you to forget one of the great principles of libertarians - that your rights end at the tip of my nose. Smokers do not have, nor have they EVER had, the right to shove the wastes from their HABIT into my nose, onto my clothes, etc.

BTW - War Wagon: There is more than one way to get a sister-in-law. She is my wife's sister. And because she grew up in a house of smokers (hell, her grandmother worked for Philip Morris) and hung out with smokers, she never thought twice about lighting up in an ashtray-free house. If she had done what Dio does and shown proper courtesy, she still would have been sent outside, but with considerably more graciousness on my part.

[Mike the Lab Rat]

Smoking, on the other hand, is an unnecessary personal habit chosen by a minority of folks that produces a waste product that indisputably reeks and clings to hair, clothing, etc.

Wow. Of all the people, I'd think you would have been among the last to ever make my "ignore list."

But you just did.

Aww, gee whiz, dins...does that mean you're gonna take my picture down from your locker?

Going to the internet equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and chanting "nanananan...I'm not listening to you?"

Aren't you just a pouty little bitch?

You're all about free choice, free markets, and all that libertarian stuff... as long as it doesn't æffect your personal sensibilities.

You're a laughable hypocrite who gets on a soapbox, yet stands for nothing.

Horsecrap. I have ALWAYS contended that personal liberties also come with personal responsibilities. You, on the other hand are not a libertarian but a libertine, who twists a great philosophy and turns it into an excuse for reckless hedonism that impacts others. Your desperate need to defend your ridiculous point has caused you to equate heating homes and driving to work with lighting up a cigarette. And to claim that people DIED for the right to place cloying, stale smoke onto my clothes and hair?

To quote you...priceless.

[smackaholic]

On that note, one of the best parts about being a smoker in the Navy (save your pole smoker responses...I'm not reading them) was that once you were in international waters, the ship's store would replace all of the CA-taxed cartons of cigs on the shelf with tax free cartons. You could score a carton of Camels, Marlboros, etc for $10 back when they were running almost $30 on shore. Even better was when the ship was about to pull into port. They had to get rid of all of the non-taxed smokes, so they'd have a fire sale and lower the price to $4.00 per carton. Giddyup, some?

I remember that shit. There'd be a fukking stampede to the ships store when we were getting near international waters. I seem to recall it being 7 bucks a carton, but it could have been a bit more. It just shows what a cash cow smokes are to the gubmint.

[PSUFAN]

[Mister Bushice]

Wow. Of all the people, I'd think you would have been among the last to ever make my "ignore list."

But you just did.

Bye.

I like where this is going.

[Dinsdale]

I like where this is going.

Oh dude -- I ckicked "Add Foe" under your name the minute I saw the feature -- unfortunately, your admin status prevents it, which is an issue I'd like to see adressed.

[smackaholic]

Mike,

As anyone who saw that study awhile back knows, or for that matter, anyone with a fuctioning brain knows, smoking lowers overall healthcare costs. A two pack a day asshole that is taken out by lung cancer at 57 is a hell of a lot cheaper than the 94 year old who spends his last year and a half in a rest home.

[Mike the Lab Rat]

Maybe densedale will get THIS analogy:

You have the right to listen to music.
Any kind you want.
As often as you want.

Hell, you can even crank it up - provided that your ear-splitting, eardrum-bleeding volume doesn't find its way onto my property and disturb MY right to quiet enjoyment of my premises.

Your right to crank tunes ends at my property line. Period.

I have no problem with noise ordinances that limit the distance, decibel level, and times that sounds may be "broadcast."

Now, I'm sure that duncedale could call me a hypocrite for daring to say that he's not allowed to blast his music so loud that it can be heard by everyone in the next county (even at 3 am) and that he'd even pull out the oh-so-patriotic "men DIED for your right to blast tunes, DUDE!," but we all know what an insipid pile of horseshit it all would be.

Is dimwitsdale going to argue that the First Amendment DOES protect the right to slander, libel, or yell "Fire" in a crowded theater? Or are we all hypocrites for daring to state that no rights are absolute - that exercising rights entails responsibilities, especially the responsibility to not infringe upon the rights of others.

I believe that smokers have the right to indulge in their habit. What they don't have the right to do is infringe upon my rights by polluting my immediate atmosphere, my clothes, and my hair.

[Mike the Lab Rat]

Mike,

As anyone who saw that study awhile back knows, or for that matter, anyone with a fuctioning brain knows, smoking lowers overall healthcare costs. A two pack a day asshole that is taken out by lung cancer at 57 is a hell of a lot cheaper than the 94 year old who spends his last year and a half in a rest home.

That still doesn't justify asking me to pay for ANY of the smoker's medical bills.

From what I understand of your argument, gang-bangers also must lower overall health costs.

I don't want to pay for any of their healthcare either.

[PSUFAN]

That still doesn't justify asking me to pay for ANY of the smoker's medical bills.

Oh Jimmah boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling

[MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan]

The sad thing is, I couldn't even make it through this whole thread w/o taking a smoke break. I'll be back in about 6-7 minutes to read page three and then give you guys my take on this...

[MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan]

OK, I feel much better.

Here's where I stand on this. I am a smoker. I try to be a "considerate" smoker, in that I try my damnedest not to smoke in the immediate vicinity of non-smokers and I always try to find an ashtray in which to dispose of my butts. I know it's bad for me. i know I should quit, but it's just not a challenge I'm up to at this point in my life.

I'm a Libertarian and a libertarian. I think that if you own a business, you should have the right to set whatever rules you want for your privately owned establishment. If you want to ban smoking, fine. If you want to allow smoking, fine. If you want to offer discounted drinks to one particular gender, fine. If you want to ban mvscals, honkeys, spics, ragheads, chinks, gooks, fags, or any other "riff-raff" from your fine establishment, fine. Let the public decide whether or not you stay in business.

What I don't need is a babysitter. I'm 34. I know that smoking is bad for me, but I choose to do it anyway, partially because it looks cool but mostly because it makes me happy (or at least keeps me sane). If I could go back in time and not start smoking, I would, but I'm pretty sure everyone on this board has a decision or two they regret.

Maybe (hopefully) one day I'll quit, but until then, all I ask is that you leave me the fuck alone and let me have a smoke in relative peace. I'll even move over this way a little bit further if it's bothering you that much...

[poptart]

.... but I choose to do it anyway, partially because it looks cool ....

Yes, and what with Global Warming gripping us all by the gonads, 'looking cool' may just be a strategum that will git'er done.

Good thinking.



Image is everything.

[MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan]

.... but I choose to do it anyway, partially because it looks cool ....

Yes, and what with Global Warming gripping us all by the gonads, 'looking cool' may just be a strategum that will git'er done.

Good thinking.



Image is everything.

Dude, I live in the middle of a fucking desert and I've been wearing long sleeves for the past two months. I even broke out a fucking jacket a few times, for chrissakes. Take your global warming horseshit to the appropriate thread/forum and we'll resume this argument there...

[Mister Bushice]

Wow. Of all the people, I'd think you would have been among the last to ever make my "ignore list."

But you just did.

Bye.

I like where this is going.

Oh dude -- I ckicked "Add Foe" under your name the minute I saw the feature -- unfortunately, your admin status prevents it, which is an issue I'd like to see adressed.

Shut up, Just..Shut up.

You had me at "Bye."

[OCmike]

Still waiting on that credible report that secondhand tobacco smoke is harmful (but we've beaten this topic to death, and there has shown any link at all, and if someone brings up the EPA ETS study, I'll laugh until I piss myself).

You need a "credible report" before you believe that something is harmful to you? I suppose you'd be one of those people in the 1960's who didn't believe that a constant hacking cough and discharge of phlegm was a bad sign until the surgeon general told you so. You still need your mommy to call you up and tell you when it's bedtime too? What a fucking retarded thing to say.

Ever heard of Alpha radiaton? Since I know you're going to google it and spew forth another - type response pretending you knew all along :roll:, I'll save you the trouble by providing you with a link:

http://prfamerica.org/RadioactivityInCi ... Smoke.html

If that article is setting the bar a bit too high for you, here's this one:

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNe ... 5620070201

or this one:

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNe ... 7820070604

and this one:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

and here's one that breaks down a bunch of studies into cliff notes versions:

http://www.no-smoke.org/pdf/SHSBibliography.pdf

Or, to put it another way, go fuck yourself, idiot.

[Dinsdale]

Don't care enough to click the links... but let me guess...

Not one mentions that the MAJORITY... yes, MAJORITY of nonsmokers die of "smoking related illnesses."

Much easier to kick a field goal when you move the goalposts a mile wide.


I wonder how long before the Nazis twist traffic accidents into a "smoking related illness"?

[OCmike]

Don't care enough to click the links...

Yeah, God forbid you actually educate yourself when you can just keep talking out your ass about stuff you know nothing about, as usual.

Much easier to kick a field goal when you move the goalposts a mile wide.

Hey, you're the dipshit that set the goalposts by asking for a study that showed that second-hand smoke was "harmful".

*BOOT*...AND IT'S GOOD!

Not one mentions that the MAJORITY... yes, MAJORITY of nonsmokers die of "smoking related illnesses."

Now you're just being stupid. Getting cancer from SHS and not getting cancer from SHS is totally subjective. It depends on how much you're exposed to and how often, as well as whether or not you're genetically predisposed to getting cancer in the first place.

Go ahead and google "Oncogene" and "Oncogene mutation" and then you can rejoin the conversation.

Until then feel free to shut the fuck up.

[OCmike]

No, it doesn't. You don't get cancer from second hand smoke. Period. End of story.

Way to back up your argument with some facts and/or statistics.

But, you did say "Period. End of story., so I guess it must be true. :giantrolleyes:

[Dinsdale]

You don't get cancer from second hand smoke. Period. End of story.

Which is the same conclusion that by far the largest, most comprehesive study done on the subject (by the WHO) concluded, as well.

Related:


http://www.forces.org/writers/kjono/files/f-day.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


If a person or group used the same propaganda tactics to promote any other cause the same way the anti-smoking nazis went about their business, they'd be up on fraud charges. But for some reason, it's OK to spew KNOWN falsehoods in support of telling other people how to live their lives.

The fact nonsmoking/never smoked fatasses who die of heart attacks get lumped in with the "smoking related deaths" would be laughable, if people weren't actually buying into this bit of criminally fraudulent bit of bullshit.

AGAIN, for the really slow people -- there is no link whatsoever between secondhand smoke and any increased health risks. Any study ever done by a neutral party (read: people without an axe to grind and a preconceived result they want to support) has come up with the same result... which is no substantial link whatsoever.


In my link, you can even find a quote from a leading Nazi on how the ETS paranoia is "paying my mortgage."

People still want to trot out the EPA study -- even though a federal judge barred it's use in government policy, and the authors of the study themselves have denounced it, since it was altered before publication.

Isn't it odd how the pharmy companies that sell overpriced stop-smoking aids are the ones paying a good chunk of the salaries of the people (like at the American Cancer Society, among others) who continue to use extremely flawed "studies" to promote their agenda? As with global warming, one need only follow the money-trail before you understand certain peoples' motives.


People are getting rich from a "health crisis" that doesn't actually exist, and the only "proof" that it does exist has been proven to be inaccurate... way to go, you've done it again, sheeple.


Fat people bitching about smokers is HILARIOUS -- since that "health crisis" actually IS true. Yet they don't clean up their own backyard before bitching about others.

Yup, mvscal, the American Experiment where people were given freedom certainly has failed. No one wants to deal with the consequences of a free country, so now they're advocating abandoning Freedom for an assauging of their manufactured paranoia.

Sad.

[Mister Bushice]

there is no link whatsoever between secondhand smoke and any increased health risks.

http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/s ... ke/report/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chapter 1 pretty much says bullshit.

Second hand smoke has been classified as a Group A Carcinogen.

A comprehensive meta-analysis of the 31 epidemiologic studies of secondhand smoke and lung cancer published up to that time (1992)was central to the decision to classify secondhand smoke as a group A carcinogen—namely, a known human carcinogen. Estimates of approximately 3,000 U.S. lung cancer deaths per year in nonsmokers were attributed to secondhand smoke.

Of course, your comprehensive link says "“These findings ‘support the hypothesis "

those hypothesis are SO conclusive.

[Neely8]

Can a person get lung cancer from things other then second hand smoke?

[Goober McTuber]

Can a person get lung cancer from things other then second hand smoke?

You mean like a Great White concert?

[Dinsdale]

I'll go ahead and cite the EPA "study" that was thrown out by a federal judge for its ridiculous methodology and for being rewritten after-the-fact to support a preconceived result anyway.

[OCmike]

Can a person get lung cancer from things other then second hand smoke?

They have these guys that run into burning buildings with a breathing apparatus called "firefighters"...maybe you've heard of them.

[Dinsdale]

Can a person get lung cancer from things other then second hand smoke?

You mean like a Great White concert?

I'll RACK any and all Neeley/Great White resets. They're always good for free airfare to New England.