NFL draft - and free agency period

[jiminphilly]

Cards' future signings may cause cuts
Fitzgerald's deal slows free-agent acquisitions
Kent Somers
The Arizona Republic
Mar. 5, 2008 12:00 AM

The Cardinals have signed two free agents this week and are working to add a third. But the financial constraints imposed by receiver Larry Fitzgerald's contract might bring acquisitions to a standstill, coach Ken Whisenhunt said Tuesday.

"It's pretty close to that," Whisenhunt said. "If we had to sign other free agents, we'd have to make roster space, which obviously would involve cutting players. That's part of it as well."

The Cardinals were believed to be about $10 million under the cap before tendering their restricted free agents and signing tight end Jerame Tuman on Monday and defensive end/outside linebacker Travis LaBoy on Tuesday.

Fitzgerald is due to make $14.6 million this year and $17.4 million in 2009. The team is negotiating with his agent, Eugene Parker, to extend the contract and lower those figures.

The two sides are not close to a deal and are believed to be apart on both years and money.

Meanwhile, Whisenhunt said the team has no other free-agent visits scheduled, although the club remains interested in some players.

Fitz is due $32m in guaranteed money over the next 2 years. The reason his contract his so high is because he earned bonues on incentives the Cardinals never anticipated him reaching. So now they want him to reduce that amount to roughly $25M but allow him to reach free agency sooner.

Funny how contracts work in the NFL- the years essentially mean nothing. It's all about the guaranteed money and Fitzgerald earned his coin, on the field, and because the Tardinals underestimated just how good Fitz would be, they're now getting handcuffed in the free agency market because of a very pro-player contract.

I've seen an article or 2 calling Fitz greedy and because he's being stubborn with his contract, he's costing the Tardinals the ability to be active in free agency.

Who offered him the contract, complete with "unreachable" incentives and who went out on the field and produced to earn the $$$? Insn't that why they call them incentives?

Rack Fitz for getting over on perhaps the most shit-run NFL organization.

[jiminphilly]

Rack Fitz for getting over on perhaps the most shit-run NFL organization.

Since last Thursday, the Raiders have doled out more than $144 million in contracts to defensive tackle Tommy Kelly ($50.1 million), safety Gibril Wilson ($39 million), and Walker ($55 million).

I stand corrected.

[OCmike]

I mentioned on the last page that she was also half American Indian and that's a big fucking problem. We're damn near done with page 4 and not one, single, "fire water" or "boomstick" slam?

Sorry, I was going to get to that right after she brought me my next cup of coffee on the casino floor.


Sorry for the delay. I'll offer her a blanket as a show of my remorsefulness on this matter.

You have border jumpers as casino waitresses in the U&L?! Who cooks in the Chinese restaurant, Puerto Ricans? Nice state.

[OCmike]

This is getting funny... the two spunk chewers going at it to see who has the "tightest" pussy.

There was some solid football info and some decent smack flowing in this thread...thanks for bringing it to a screeching halt.

OCMike, going Geography on Paint Chips.... lands this one in the archives on its merit alone.

Your presence in the thread disqualified from archive consideration immediately. Nice going.

[quote="Mtool]This is the same guy that said, Berkeley and Oakland were on the Peninsula![/quote]

Yeah, so. I made a mistake.

You're familiar with mistakes....like when you chose "making windchimes" as a profession? Like when your old man dropped the hammer on some unshowered Grateful Dead fan with unshaven pits and a pussy that smelled like shit because she was a back-to-front wiper, got her pregnant and ended up living with the shame of having you as a son? That would qualify as a HOF mistake.

GeographyMike's only saving grace is the fact that he is going up against "Paint Chips".

GeographyMike? Jesus Christ, that's the best you could do? How about OCVascoDeGama? How about OCMagellan? SirOCFrancisDrake, even? Stop putting blotter acid on your eyeballs and try a little.

[poptart]

From Jerry McDonald's Wednesday article:



As for Lane Kiffin, he hasn’t been quoted in a single press release regarding any of the signings. Nor are the Raiders taking advantage of the signings with regard to the news cycle by trotting their new players out for a press conference or conference call, as the 49ers did with Justin Smith and Isaac Bruce.

It was standard procedure when the Raiders were winning division titles, but something they got away from once the losses began to pile up. Still, there were usually quotes attributed to the head coach, filtered through the team, about how happy he was to have so-and-so aboard.

In the photo of Walker signing his deal on Raiders.com, the receiver is flanked not by Kiffin, but by defensive backs coach Willie Brown.

Since the Raiders left the Senior Bowl, Kiffin has declined to speak on the record regarding his status with the club. While that might not be unusual, it is at least a little strange that Kiffin has had nothing to say via club press release about the deals worked out with Justin Fargas, Kelly, Gibril Wilson, Walker and Harris.

Nor did he give a public thanks through the team to Barry Sims for nine years of service.




Sounds peachy.

[RevLimiter]

From Jerry McDonald's Wednesday article:



As for Lane Kiffin, he hasn’t been quoted in a single press release regarding any of the signings. Nor are the Raiders taking advantage of the signings with regard to the news cycle by trotting their new players out for a press conference or conference call, as the 49ers did with Justin Smith and Isaac Bruce.

It was standard procedure when the Raiders were winning division titles, but something they got away from once the losses began to pile up. Still, there were usually quotes attributed to the head coach, filtered through the team, about how happy he was to have so-and-so aboard.

In the photo of Walker signing his deal on Raiders.com, the receiver is flanked not by Kiffin, but by defensive backs coach Willie Brown.

Since the Raiders left the Senior Bowl, Kiffin has declined to speak on the record regarding his status with the club. While that might not be unusual, it is at least a little strange that Kiffin has had nothing to say via club press release about the deals worked out with Justin Fargas, Kelly, Gibril Wilson, Walker and Harris.

Nor did he give a public thanks through the team to Barry Sims for nine years of service.




Sounds peachy.

Commitment to excrement.

Just shit the bed, baby.

My GOD what a shit franchise that has become.

[jiminphilly]

Eagles cut Spikes.. gives them $5m in cap space.. it wasn't a move they had to make any time soon.. could mean a bit move is down the pike..


Rumor is the Raiders have already offered a 10 year deal with no physical needed.. contract numbers not released..

[Raydah James]

Oakland just handed over some fairly big money to Kwame Harris.
Not really thrilling news, but better news than finding that you're pitted against DC in a smackoff, I guess.
I'm still semi-erect.

Word is that a Javon Walker signing is also imminent.
Pretty big contract for him too.
Mixed feelings, but an overall thumbs down from me.
No doubt the guy makes plays, and that's NEEDED, but his legs and attitude are a real concern.
It could pay off nicely, but the risk of injury or psychological meltdown would've spooked me away from inking him.

Glen Dickey is claiming that 'Raider insiders' are saying Kiffin will be OUT by draft day, likely to be replaced by the great James Lofton.


stay tuned ........

The Kiff situation is all kinds of "who knows what the fuck is going on", so I wont even attempt to speculate.

The rest of post is right on with how I feel about Walker and Harris. Tom Cable must love Harris and see something nobody else does in him, because Atlanta tried hard to trade for him in 2006.....when Cable was the offensive line coach there. Im sure he has a plan for the cat, and LT isnt in it.

I'll further address this when I get more free time.

[OCmike]

Word is that a Javon Walker signing is also imminent.
Pretty big contract for him too.
Mixed feelings, but an overall thumbs down from me.
No doubt the guy makes plays, and that's NEEDED, but his legs and attitude are a real concern.
It could pay off nicely, but the risk of injury or psychological meltdown would've spooked me away from inking him.

Walker has huge upside if he can get back to the form that he showed in Green Bay. The only problem is that he's always been a china doll. I'm not outright calling him a pussy, just that he's one of those guys that seems to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and gets hurt...a lot.

Tom Cable must love Harris and see something nobody else does in him, because Atlanta tried hard to trade for him in 2006.....when Cable was the offensive line coach there. Im sure he has a plan for the cat, and LT isnt in it.

According to my vigorous on-line research, in 2006 Harris played in 16 games and had one false start, three holding penalties, and 8.5 sacks allowed. Unfortunately, that’s an improvement from 2005 where he also played 16 games and gave up seven false starts, two holding penalties, was called for a total of 15 penalties, and gave up 9.5 sacks (4th most in the league).

Some of Harris’ lowlights:

Oct. 15 against the Chargers, in which he was called for two holding penalties and a false start and was beaten for a sack.

In the first six games of 2006, Alex Smith was sacked 13 times. Harris’ pass protection has been partially or entirely to blame for six of those sacks. Harris was also called for a team-high six penalties during that period. Nobody on the team during that period was flagged more than three times. The six penalties were composed of four holding penalties (one was declined), a false start, and illegal use of hands (also declined).

Oct 2006 against Chicago, Harris had another rough day, getting beaten for both sacks the team gave up in the 49ers' 41-10 loss to the Bears. He was also called for a face-mask penalty that moved the 49ers out of field-goal range in the third quarter.

Oct 2006 against KC, he surrendered 1.5 sacks and was also called for an illegal use of the hands penalty.

In his career, he’s given up 31 sacks, 7 holding calls, 16 false starts and been flagged for 27 total penalties(including those declined) in 44 career starts.

Granted, he did improve in 2007, giving up just one sack and having one false start in 12 games played, but he was coming off the bench the entire time, so his playing time was significantly down as compared to '05 and '06 where he started every game.

So I think we've pretty much established that Harris completely blows at pass-protection. That said, the guy is a beast of a run blocker. That's great when you have a strong runner like Frank Gore, but I don't see how he's that great of an acquistion for the Raiders, considering they basically did running-back-by-committee last year. I think he'd be a good fit with a run-first team like KC, but I don't think things are going to go so well for him in Oakland.

One other positive note, with the exception of Nolan, who obviously soured on him last year, Niner coaches and specifically offensive coaches and his position coaches have all had positive things to say about the guy and his work ethic.

Yeah, he was pretty much universally hated by Ninerfans, not so much for his sheer number of penalties or sacks given up, but because of the timing of them. I can't tell you how many times big plays have been called back, the teams been bumped out of field goal range, or Smith has been crushed when a wide receiver was wide open, all because of Harris. So it's not that he didn't try hard, it's basically that for his entire career the guy has had simply awful timing with yellow hankies flying his way. That, and any DE or OLB with a sligtly above-average bull-rush is going to have a great day stats-wise when they line up against him.

Good luck.

Oh, and for those of you keeping score at home, the Chiefs selected LJ with the first round pick following the 49ers drafting of Harris :brad:.

[poptart]

Mike, Oakland had a pretty darn good running game last year.
And they did it without a 'name' back.
Tom Cable did a helluva job getting a HORRIBLE O-Line back to respectability.
The run blocking was quite good, but they still had some struggles in pass protection.
If Harris is a good run blocker and poor pass blocker, as you describe, it might be best to slip him in at guard, as Kiffin/Cable did with R. Gallery.

The question for the Raiders now is, who is the LT?
I hope they're not counting on Harris to be that guy.

As it stands right now, there is nobody on the roster who they know can get the job done at LT.
I've heard speculation that they will give Gallery another try there.
Yes, wonderful idea, if you want to put a guy there who you know can't get that job done.
Fugg, man, the guy finally settled in at guard and started to actually MOW people (sometimes) in the run game.
Leave him alone, and accept him for what he is.

Given the LT dilemma, drafting J. Long is still a possibility, but I think they will end up going D-Line.
D-Line is THE glaring weakness on the team, and they haven't done jack (other than re-sign Kelly) to help the position -- and they LOST W. Sapp.
This leads me to conclude that they are targeting one of 4 guys.
Howie's boy, Dorsey, Ellis or Gholston.

[Felix]

Walker has huge upside if he can get back to the form that he showed in Green Bay. The only problem is that he's always been a china doll. I'm not outright calling him a pussy, just that he's one of those guys that seems to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and gets hurt...a lot.

^^^^ it's true....I'm seriously NOT DOWN with Shanny jettisoning Walker.....

while I think the duds overpaid for him, Walker will provide a viable deep threat for that cannon arm of Russell's.......

[Shoalzie]

Wonderful, more Bucs castaway come to Detroit...Brian Kelly and Chartric Darby

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[RumpleForeskin]

Okay.

Here goes.

The Texans haven't done much to add depth to their injury riddled squad.

Offensive line is still a big ? going into next season.

How much faith do they have in Ahman Green to bounce back and give them at least 8 quality games?

What about the secondary?

Those are the three big concerns with this team. We've been told by the staff that they want to build through the draft. I figured the activity in free agancy would have been a little more aggressive but it wasn't. They signed and unproven DB in Jacques Reeves. Yes, he is fast and can one on one a wideout, but his size is a problem against bigger physical receivers inside the red zone. After that, the Texans do anything else. There were some names out there and some o-lineman I thought they should have persued, but I gues they are optimistic about Charles Spencer's return and a 3rd or 4th round pick. Who knows.

Okay, so they got a DB. Duante Robinson won't be ready for the opener with his leg still rehabbing and what about the safety slots? Do the Texans really believe Simmons and Earl can come back from their injuries this season and add depth to that shaky secondary? Lots of questions.

They don't have a 2nd round pick this year (Atlanta) although there is some buzz about trading Rosenfels to Minnesota for a second rounder, but I think that idea has been squashed. If they are going to build through the draft, then they need more picks. How are they going to do that? Trade down their first pick (18) and get a late second rounder?

Their first order of business is to address the o-line or the secondary IMHO. I think this team can afford to pass on Mendenhall and Stewart in the first round and get a solid RB in the third round. Chris Taylor is coming back from injury in training camp last year which will add some much needed speed to the backfield, but will he be ready? Who knows.

Lots of questions. Lots of 'em.

Kubiak is gonna have to gameplan hard, man....hard. :P

[Headhunter]

They signed and unproven DB in Jacques Reeves.

I think Jacques reeves has proven himself to be a valuable 3rd corner. Nothing more.

He did a hell of a job stepping in for both T. Newman, and A. Henry last year, but he also proved himself to be somewhat of a liability. I think he still has some upside, but I don't think starting CB is the culmination of that upside.

Cowboys would have loved to keep him, just not at that price.

He'll make some great plays, but he'll get burnt or called for an untimely PI as well.

[orcinus]

He'll make some great plays, but he'll get burnt or called for an untimely PI as well.

Roy Williams would love to get this kind of press.

[RumpleForeskin]

I think Jacques reeves has proven himself to be a valuable 3rd corner. Nothing more.

Not with that jack thrown at him. He will stand opposite Fred Bennett when the defense first takes the field for the '08 opener. I think Simmons and Faggins are the primary backups.

Robinson has made a bold prediction saying he will be ready to go by game 5 of the season when analysts/doctors/experts say he won't be ready until week 8. We'll see.

[Headhunter]

He'll make some great plays, but he'll get burnt or called for an untimely PI as well.

Roy Williams would love to get this kind of press.

I wish RW had Jacques reeves' cover skills.


And Rumps, JR will do just fine filling in while the starters are injured. But know this, If Jacques Reeves is starting at CB, you better hope help is on the way.

Dunte, daunte, koonte, whatever, might want to come back, but that dude fucked himself up. He may never be right again.

[RumpleForeskin]

Oh, its a MAJOR concern. That was a nasty injury in Oakland on D-Rob's leg. I hope he will comeback and at least play to an above average level. Good news is...the cat is still young.

[RumpleForeskin]

Texans signed Running back Chris Brown formerly with Tennessee. Explosive and powerful, but injury prone. This must mean Ron Dayne is the odd man out, because usually your backup RBs must be able to play Special Teams. Brown and Dayne can't do that.

So long Ronnie....you were a very serviceable back.

[BSmack]

Signs that a Heisman Trophy winning running back is a bust...

1. He's cut in favor of Chris "Injured Reserve" Brown.

[RumpleForeskin]

Chris "Injured Reserve" Brown.

Yeah, I can't say that I am happy about this. If Brown is their featured backup and they honestly think Green can comeback and contribute, then they are sadly mistaken. I admit making the mistake of thinking Green was going to stay healthy last year.

Alhtough Dayne wasn't a great back by any means, at least he stayed healthy for the most part and rarely did he lose yardage.

They better draft an RB in the 3rd or 4th round or this season could be a setback.

1st round still needs to be OL or DB and they still need to find a way to grab a second round pick.

[OCmike]

Signs that a Heisman Trophy winning running back is a bust...

1. He's cut in favor of Chris "Injured Reserve" Brown.

That's what happens when a college coach hands his star RB the rock 1,000 fucking times in 13 games. By the time they get to the NFL, their legs are so dead from getting pounded for 3 or 4 years that they've only got a few good seasons in them...especially if they run with a punishing style ('sup Earl Campbell).

Sadly, and assuming he can stay off of IR, Brown is by far the best back that the Texans have had in a few years. What a sad state of affairs.

At least they finally gave Carr the heave-ho though. Wish my team would do the same with their #1 draft pick bust...

[Shoalzie]

More housecleaning in Leoland...Kevin Jones and Kalimba Edwards were cut yesterday. Kenoy Kennedy was also let go today.

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Jones showed flashes of brilliance but he can never live up to the standard he set with his 1100 yard rookie season. The Lions did re-sign Tatum Bell who appeared to be on the outs early this past season...didn't have a single carry after Week 6. I wouldn't be shocked if they look at a running back somewhat early in the draft...it better not be the first round though.

[RevLimiter]

I wouldn't be shocked if they look at a running back somewhat early in the draft...it better not be the first round though.

Of course they wouldn't pick a RB in the 1st round. BTW, what WR are they picking in the 1st round this year?

[Shoalzie]

DeAngelo Hall to the Raiders for a 2nd round pick...pending Hall reaching contract terms with the team

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3295344" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[poptart]

IF a deal for Hall goes through, it's a pretty exciting signing.

A YOUNG corner of his ability for a 2nd??

On paper, no NFL team would field a better secondary than Oakland's.

Keeping both Hall and Aso long term is an entirely different matter, however.
TOO much jack tied up in the D-Backfield.

What about the 'character' of D. Hall?
Hmmmmm ......
Legit concern, as it is with the Javon Walker signing.

If this goes through, look for Fabs or S. Routt (or both) to be dealt.
Al isn't done dealing.
D-Line needs help, big time.

[RevLimiter]

Aso and Hall will now make up the best starting CB tandem in the league, period. Moves like that are why the Falcons are, well...the Falcons.

[OCmike]

What about the 'character' of D. Hall?
Hmmmmm ......
Legit concern, as it is with the Javon Walker signing.

??? Never heard anything about the character of Javon Walker while he was in Denver or GB. As far as I know, the guy completely busted his ass until he was slowed by that blown out knee. Do you know something I don't?

As far as D. Hall, I completely agree. He's a head case, but not as bad as some. At least he seems to play balls out on every play. I guess he's a bit similar to T.O. in that respect. Anyway, he could be very successful in Oakland. Sometimes all a head-case needs is a change of scenery (i.e. getting shit-canned from the team that drafted him) to realize that he can't act like a complete douche and expect teams to put up with it indefinitely.

[War Wagon]

Al isn't done dealing.

And that prospect excites you?

I wonder about you sometimes, 'tart.

You really have no business being a 'duh fan.

[poptart]

Article from the Dungver Post on December 31, 2007.

Walker was 'unhappy' w/Green Bay before being traded to Dungver.
Then he was bent as a Mule because he had to watch B. Marshall become THE guy.

I'm sure he'll LOVE Oakland, though.

errr.... ok


Javon Walker: Broncos are "not for me"

By Bill Williamson The Denver Post

Javon Walker dropped the first bomb of the Broncos' offseason this morning.

In a rambling briefing with the press, Walker essentially said he no longer wants to be with the Broncos.

"It's not for Javon," Walker said. "It's not for me."

Walker bounced and back and forth and said that he'll do whatever the Broncos decide but he concluded by saying that being here is not for him.

Walker even suggested a return to Green Bay. The Broncos acquired him from the Packers in April 2006 for a second-round draft choice.

Walker was unhappy with the Packers when he was dealt.

Walker missed seven games this season with a knee injury and second-year player Brandon Marshall flourished, catching 102 balls.

Walker said that the offense is centered around Marshall now and he is happy for his teammate.

Walker has $5.4 million in option bonus money coming to him this year and the team was planning on keeping him. However, after his bombshell, the team will likely seriously consider parting ways.


Wagon, Al is one of the ELITE dealers in league history.
He's a legend, and that title is well deserved.
Sure, he's had some foul balls, but he's jacked a WHOLE lot more out of the ballyard.

His main area of failing, IMO, is in the way he under-values the head coaching position.

[OCmike]

It's not for Javon

Don't these tools realize how hilarious they sound to the rest of us when they talk about themselves in the third person? Hell, it's bad enough when a superstar does it, but to hear a china doll WR who is trying to make it back and become an average receiver again is nothing short of classic.

Wagon, Al is one of the ELITE dealers in league history.
He's a legend, and that title is well deserved.
Sure, he's had some foul balls, but he's jacked a WHOLE lot more out of the ballyard.

Too bad that BY FAR the vast majority of those jacks were in the 70's and 80's.

[Felix]

His main area of failing, IMO, is in the way he under-values the head coaching position.

see, that's where your wrong..AL doesn't give two fucks about a Head Coach...until AL is down for the count any HC will be no more than a glorified water boy....

[BSmack]

IF a deal for Hall goes through, it's a pretty exciting signing.

A YOUNG corner of his ability for a 2nd??

On paper, no NFL team would field a better secondary than Oakland's.

Keeping both Hall and Aso long term is an entirely different matter, however.
TOO much jack tied up in the D-Backfield.

The Hater Nation makes a pretty compelling argument as to why you won't see Hall and Aso in the same backfield.

The Raiders deal for DeAngelo Hall has hit a snag recently. The two teams have worked out the deal in terms of compensation (a second- and sixth-round pick). Now the two sides are struggling because of money. Hall wants to be paid Asante Samuel money. And you know what, so does Nnamdi Asomugha.

The Raiders franchised Asomugha this year, meaning that he will be paid among the top five corner backs in the NFL. So when Hall gets paid, Asomugha will be paid. In other words, the Raiders are negotiating to drive up the price of their existing players.

And that will likely push him out of the Raiders budget. So while all of the Raiders fans are likely dreaming of having a defensive backfield with Hall and Asomugha, that likely won't be the case because the Raiders will likely have to drop their franchise corner for Hall.

In other words, they will be trading a good guy and team player for a head case like Hall. Great move, Raiders.

They forgot to mention a second and a 6th round pick.

[RevLimiter]

IF a deal for Hall goes through, it's a pretty exciting signing.

A YOUNG corner of his ability for a 2nd??

On paper, no NFL team would field a better secondary than Oakland's.

Keeping both Hall and Aso long term is an entirely different matter, however.
TOO much jack tied up in the D-Backfield.

The Hater Nation makes a pretty compelling argument as to why you won't see Hall and Aso in the same backfield.

The Raiders deal for DeAngelo Hall has hit a snag recently. The two teams have worked out the deal in terms of compensation (a second- and sixth-round pick). Now the two sides are struggling because of money. Hall wants to be paid Asante Samuel money. And you know what, so does Nnamdi Asomugha.

The Raiders franchised Asomugha this year, meaning that he will be paid among the top five corner backs in the NFL. So when Hall gets paid, Asomugha will be paid. In other words, the Raiders are negotiating to drive up the price of their existing players.

And that will likely push him out of the Raiders budget. So while all of the Raiders fans are likely dreaming of having a defensive backfield with Hall and Asomugha, that likely won't be the case because the Raiders will likely have to drop their franchise corner for Hall.

In other words, they will be trading a good guy and team player for a head case like Hall. Great move, Raiders.

They forgot to mention a second and a 6th round pick.

John Clayton reported this exact same thing on ESPN last night....nice going, Alcula! LMAO

[Th]

Jason Elam exits Donkeyland for the Falcons? Must have gotten tired of the snow.


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[Shoalzie]

Cowboys, Pats, and Lions interested in Adam Jones...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3305060" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Cowboys have posted the high score with Pacman...appears to be the likely destination. Could you imagine a team with T.O., Tank Johnson and Jones? Good luck with that, Jerrah. The Pats might be able to integrate him into their family like they did with Dillon and Moss...that would actually make the most sense considering they need a corner. As for the Lions...I don't get it but that's Millen for you. They get rid of a bad apple like Rogers just to bring in the baddest apple in the bunch?

Interesting to see on the SportsNation poll in that story...it's pretty much 50/50 over whether or not you'd want your team to trade for him. I voted no...it's at 50.4%.

[OCmike]

As for the Lions...I don't get it but that's Millen for you. They get rid of a bad apple like Rogers just to bring in the baddest apple in the bunch?

Weirdest part about the Lions vying for him is that it's not like D-town is a tourist destination like San Diego, Miami or Seattle(BWA...just kidding, Dins), it's a hardcore town with lots of places for a trouble magnet to find some...especially for a guy who rolls with a crew who doesn't know how to check themselves and keep their boy out of trouble. Dumbasses.

Then again, it might not be such a bad fit. If things don't work out and the Fords end up pissing away a shitload of cash on this guy, they could always dupe him into believing that a Nike rep wants to meet him at a soulfood cafe in Dearborn. Then while PM is mowing on some ribs, they can have a C-4 vest-wearing Ali Haji Sheikh run into the place, yell "Allah Ackbar!!!" and take Pacman's bitch ass out!

[RumpleForeskin]

I guess the Texans are setting the pieces to move Rosenfels for a 2nd or 3rd rounder. They are supposed to sign Quinn Grey today from J-ville. Although he held the Jags together with a 2-0 record as a starter, it was done with very little help from him. The Jags ran the ball a ton with their tendem of Taylor and Jones-Drew while Grey was at the helm.

Should Schaub go down, then Grey will be relied on more with his arm. Hopefully, the Texans can get a 2nd rounder out of Minnesota for Rosenfels and draft an o-lineman there. Then they can focus on their shaky secondary in the first round and grab a deece RB in the 3rd round. That would help.

[RumpleForeskin]

Donnie Avery, WR out of Houston, missed pro day for the Coogs back on 03/18 because his hammy wasn't fully heeled. Scouts came back on 3/31 and said his workout was 'lights out'.

Avery ran a 4.34 and his short shuttle was a rediculous 3.91. His vertical was 37.5". Awesome. Hopefully his stock will rise to the low second round.

[BSmack]

Avery ran a 4.34 and his short shuttle was a rediculous 3.91. His vertical was 37.5". Awesome. Hopefully his stock will rise to the low second round.

What surface did he run those times on? Was it indoor? Outdoors? Wind aided?

Pro day times are a fucking joke.