USC football team GPA is 2.37

[.m2]

"See what happens, Marcus, when you get a D+ in Roman History class? Coach
Carroll makes you stay for extra training!"






http://www.dailynews.com/usc/ci_9483822


If the team had 20 players at 3.0 or above on the 85 man roster, assuming that the 20 averaged 3.0 and not higher, the other 65 on the roster would've had to have averaged a cumulative 2.12 GPA. So either there are a bunch of people on academic probation or 3/4 of the roster have barely managed to maintain eligibility.

[PSUFAN]

m2ool, why are you fixated on academics? Would you have us believe that Kal is comprised only of brilliant scholastic specimens?

[WolverineSteve]

Cal must be a wondeful place. To build such a heartfealt bond in your three weeks of studies there....huckleberry ridge must be something quite unique.

[King Crimson]

my experience with Colorado athletics tells me that 2.37 while not stellar is not abominable for an average of almost 100 guys who are scholarship football players. 3.2 is first team academic all-conference in the Big XII, 3.1 second team. the expectations are not that scholly athletes be posting 3.7's. some do. i think CU's football avg GPA, during my time here, has been in the 2.4-3.0 range. i'm not stating this as a fact, but that's my recollection. and i use CU as a an example of typicality, probably more the norm among BCS conference programs i'd guess....and not a dig at CU in any way just a local, first hand example. Hawkins said last year the team had the highest team GPA in 10 years and i remember it was around 2.8-3.0. maybe a little higher or lower.

i'd also add that the Trojans are not in any way contemporaries of the Romans if that picture is supposed to create some bridge of meaning or humor between the two--based on "someone's understanding or lack of understanding re: Roman history. they both fought with swords and neither had bluetooth earsets or saw an episode of American Dad....so, in that sense, they are pretty much the same. Now the Romans of the early Republic used to like to pretend that the Carthagenians were descendants of Troy so as to cast themselves as the Greeks to imagine themselves as the heroes of the new Iliad in an epic struggle of "east/west", good/evil or something. The latter is historical trope that seems to have quite a bit of durability, i might add.

[PSUFAN]

rack KC. "That's all the singin'"

[King Crimson]

actually, after reviewing some things, Virgil in the Aeneid claims that Rome is descendant from Trojan royalty but the Aeneid is basically a propaganda model for the praise and flattery of Augustus Caesar and the end of the Republic--it's state sponsored myth making. it's more a concoction to pimp Augustus as a figure of royalty and destiny than anything remotely related to history. so, just to qualify what i say above. It's in Polybius where the Romans claim that Carthage is the New Troy....in his stuff on the first and second Punic wars. FYI, FWIW.

[Laxplayer]

2.37? Wow, a bunch of scholars. Is that up or down from years past? They were either a bunch of idiots before or are a bunch of idiots now.
Schmuck...how do you spin the fact that this football team has a bunch of dipshits on it? Wait, they're stupid because they didn't play on your travel baseball team?

[Terry in Crapchester]

My undergrad GPA was less than 2.37. I remember making the decision to aim for a C in every class, that the extra time it would have taken to make an A I would spend on other university activities.

In fairness to m2oodles' point, there has been a significant amount of grade inflation that has gone on at most schools since the time you and I went to college.

i think CU's football avg GPA, during my time here, has been in the 2.4-3.0 range.

This may depend on where you go to school as well as the timing (see above point in response to JSC's post), but from my experience there was a pretty significant difference between a 2.4 and a 3.0.

[King Crimson]

This may depend on where you go to school as well as the timing (see above point in response to JSC's post), but from my experience there was a pretty significant difference between a 2.4 and a 3.0.

no doubt, i'm saying the team GPA at CU over the last 10 years or so that i've been employed at CU has fallen in this range. Some years closer to 2.4, some closer to 3.0. grade inflation is a reality; additionally, given the kind of "tutoring" that scholly athletes get (especially those in the revenue sports)...which is borderline cheating IMO, it's very close to plagiarism in many cases...you have to try to make less than a C. it's an active process that requires some serious skipping class, not turning things in, missing exams, etc.

[.m2]

i'd also add that the Trojans are not in any way contemporaries of the Romans if that picture is supposed to create some bridge of meaning or humor between the two--based on "someone's understanding or lack of understanding re: Roman history. they both fought with swords and neither had bluetooth earsets or saw an episode of American Dad....so, in that sense, they are pretty much the same. Now the Romans of the early Republic used to like to pretend that the Carthagenians were descendants of Troy so as to cast themselves as the Greeks to imagine themselves as the heroes of the new Iliad in an epic struggle of "east/west", good/evil or something. The latter is historical trope that seems to have quite a bit of durability, i might add.

....but its Roman gladiator school

try to expand your minda little, please.......

[TheJON]

I can't rip on USC for this until I know what the average in CFB is. I can't imagine the average GPA for the all the BCS programs is much above that. Maybe it is.

I'm trying to remember.......2.5 = C correct? So that means they're at about a C-. Many of us probably would have gotten our asses kicked by our parents for achieving such a low grade, but you can average a 2.37 GPA your entire college career and still graduate. GPA is overrated anyways. It's all about getting that degree. I always had a slightly above average GPA. About a B average I suppose. Had I been a C student instead, I'd be no less off now because of it. Unless you put your GPA on your resume (and why would you?), who gives a shit?

2.37 + degree = good enough.

[Danimal]

While I didn't put my GPA down I did not my Dean's list membership on my resume. I'll grant that GPA doesn't mean a lot once you hit the real world though. I know I'm making the same as the respiratory therapist that graduated towards the bottom of his/her class. Some fields likely award academic merit somewhat more I'd imagine. But I still take pride in those grades and wouldn't half-ass it is I had it to do over again. But that's me, some don't care as long as they get-by. Reminds me of a girlfriend who is a nurse, at her graduation-dinner they actually had a C=RN Award for the student that eked-by the most.

As far as the 2.37 goes I'd say that is rather lame for guys that have access to a buttload of "academic services" and are often majoring in something cake like Speech Communication or General Studies.

[PSUFAN]

The thing is - if you're a scholarship football athlete at USC...brace yourself for a shocking realization...you're aspiring to NFL millions.

Let's continue after that settles in.

Is it really news that USC's football team might sport a C average? Does that surprise anyone whatsoever?

I look forward to the day where major college football programs are recognized flatly for what they are - vocational education projects, and cash cows. A kid who selects a BCS conference school for his college football career generally feels that he is there to prepare for the NFL. Heck, even the ones who are great students probably want to at least give their dream a shot, right?

Don't get me wrong, I am indeed very impressed by student athletes that perform well in the classroom and on the football field. Most kids who play CFB are not given an opportunity to even try out for an NFL team.

I'm not at all impressed by those who, because they back a team that cannot beat a rival team on the gridiron, sling GPA smack. I expect this kind of baloney from a dood like m2ool, but it really irks me when I hear this stuff from PSU fans about, say, Terrell Pryor, or heck...whoever decides against PSU. I imagine the same happens with every school. There are so many blasted out windows in the glass house neighborhood...

[Terry in Crapchester]

The thing is - if you're a scholarship football athlete at USC...brace yourself for a shocking realization...you're aspiring to NFL millions.

Let's continue after that settles in.

Is it really news that USC's football team might sport a C average? Does that surprise anyone whatsoever?

I look forward to the day where major college football programs are recognized flatly for what they are - vocational education projects, and cash cows. A kid who selects a BCS conference school for his college football career generally feels that he is there to prepare for the NFL. Heck, even the ones who are great students probably want to at least give their dream a shot, right?

It's certainly not surprising. But that doesn't mean that it's not problematic.

Here's the problem. Granted, these kids have beaten tremendous odds just to make it to that level. But they still have to beat tremendous odds to get to the next level. Most of them, even the ones that got scholarships to BCS schools, won't play in the NFL. And you're always just one hit away from your career being over for good.

And even for the ones who do make it, NFL careers are short, relatively speaking. Father Time is the one opponent nobody beats. The college education that is there for the taking, and for free, I might add, will open doors for them for the rest of their lives if football doesn't work out (and at the professional level, it won't work out for the majority of them).

Interesting Zysdale story, somewhat on point: while at ND, I was in a Physics class with Greg Dingens, who started at DT on ND's team at the time. Greg wound up being a Rhodes Scholar finalist, went to med school and also Harvard Law School. He never played a down in the NFL.

[TheJON]

BtH,

4.33 = Never gonna get any pussy
4.0 = A
3.67 = A-
3.33 = B+
3.00 = B
2.67 = C+
2.33 = C
2.00 = C-
1.67 = D+
1.33 = D
1.00 = D-
0.00 = Prospect for Bobby Bowden

If memory serves me correct that's how it was in HS and college at least in Iowa and would assume that's the same most other places. So 2.37 would be a C average......or good enough to make deans list at West Virginia and most SEC schools.

[M Club]

i think networking with the boosters fits in here somehow, gpa be damned.

[Left Seater]

I do remember someone talking about maybe stanford having a 5.0 scale. However, it was the same guy that said you really have to work hard to not graduate from there. Something about if you go to class and try hard, the worst grade you will get is a C. So given that it would make sense to reward those that go get As with a 5, maybe.

[M Club]

i had a 7.8 or something like that in grad school. i had exhausted my eligibility by then, though.

[Killian]

BtH,

4.33 = Never gonna get any pussy
4.0 = A
3.67 = A-
3.33 = B+
3.00 = B
2.67 = C+
2.33 = C
2.00 = C-
1.67 = D+
1.33 = D
1.00 = D-
0.00 = Prospect for Bobby Bowden

If memory serves me correct that's how it was in HS and college at least in Iowa and would assume that's the same most other places. So 2.37 would be a C average......or good enough to make deans list at West Virginia and most SEC schools.

You skipped B-, genius. A C average is a 2.0.

[TheJON]

Oops....my bad....

So that just goes to show that 2.37 isn't all that bad. Right around C+

4.33 = A+ average.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

m200l's a college flunkout, and is running GPA smack? Now I've seen it all.

[.m2]

m200l's a college flunkout, and is running GPA smack? Now I've seen it all.

...c'mon, you have to stop hanging out around MY hind quarters to keep up with me......try, for once, facing me.......
"Up here, dude!"

[Dinsdale]

What was Marshawn Lynch's GPA?

[.m2]

What was Marshawn Lynch's GPA?

3.0 GPA

http://nowandlater.wordpress.com/catego ... awn-lynch/

[Dinsdale]

And he majored in Performing the Duties of a Driver, right?

How about JJ Arrington -- did he eventually learn to read and write while at Kal?

He sure couldn't when he enetered that bastion of academics.

[.m2]

And he majored in Performing the Duties of a Driver, right?

How about JJ Arrington -- did he eventually learn to read and write while at Kal?

He sure couldn't when he enetered that bastion of academics.

Okay, Dinsdale's GPA is a little higher but...


"But...just from this recent picture of Dinsdale, you do
need to lose some significant weight, dude!"

[PSUFAN]

What a shock - m2ool runs academic smack, is called out by numerous posters, and posts a couple of stupid pics by way of response.

Schmick, you officially have some tough competition this year.

[.m2]

What a shock - m2ool runs academic smack, is called out by numerous posters, and posts a couple of stupid pics by way of response.

Schmick, you officially have some tough competition this year.

Right, I wholeheartedly agree with you.....

"Doohhh!"

"However, all T1bers should be made fully aware of just how low
of a GPA PSUFAN has so take whatever his comments are with
an academic grain of salt. PSUFAN's low GPA makes him very
self-conscious that is why he goes around always wearing his old
graduation morterboard!"

[M Club]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha..........hahahahah......ha...............a.........hahah ahahahahahahahahahahah..........ahahahahah.....ahahahahahahahahahahahah hahahahahahahahahaha........hahaha.................................................ahahahahahahah

guffaw.

[PSUFAN]

Yup - he sure showed me.

[M Club]

ja, no more scoreboard. all the homies will be claiming morterboard

[TheJON]

That guy kinda looks like Lou Brown, the Indians manager from Major League. Just sayin'.....

[Terry in Crapchester]

BtH,

4.33 = Never gonna get any pussy
4.0 = A
3.67 = A-
3.33 = B+
3.00 = B
2.67 = C+
2.33 = C
2.00 = C-
1.67 = D+
1.33 = D
1.00 = D-
0.00 = Prospect for Bobby Bowden

If memory serves me correct that's how it was in HS and college at least in Iowa and would assume that's the same most other places. So 2.37 would be a C average......or good enough to make deans list at West Virginia and most SEC schools.

Not that ND is dispositive, but at ND it was

4.00 = A
3.50 = A-
3.00 = B
2.50 = B-
2.00 = C
1.00 = D
0.00 = F

GPA of 3.40 or higher was Dean's List. To be in good standing, your GPA had to be at the following levels or higher: 1.70 for first-semester freshman; 1.85 for second-semester freshman; 2.0 thereafter. If your GPA fell below those thresholds but was at least a 1.0, you were on academic probation. Lower than 1.0 and you were expelled for academic reasons.

George Wendt (you might not remember the name, you will remember the face)



went to ND for 2 1/2 years. First semester of junior year, he decided to blow off finals for a ski trip, and wound up with a 0.0 GPA for the semester, so he was expelled. He's still a big ND fan, though. I was at the pep rally for the USC game in '90 and he spoke there for an extended period of time. Of course, Cheers was still on the air back then.

How in the fuck does someone get a 4.33 average in college?

Yeah, I know some districts have some bullshit about honors courses being on a five point scale for high school, but I didn't think any colleges did that.

I don't know about college, but I know certain courses (honors, advanced placement, etc.) are weighted higher in high school, so it's possible to be above 4.0 in high school.

In fact, a buddy of mine from college was #3 in his high school class, and lost out on being valedictorian because of the weighting system. He also took Phys. Ed. (which apparently was not a requirement in Illinois high schools) and Band whereas the top 2 in his class did not. He got an A in both, but the A was unweighted in both cases, and a 4.0 averaged in to a 4.3 overall GPA wound up dropping the overall GPA.

[King Crimson]

no "+" grades at ND? interesting. as a college teacher myself, i try and protect the "A". and there is a difference between A- and B+ I also try and observe.

frankly, with grade inflation as it is...it's all kind of a joke anyway. which is why i have almost zero sympathy for athletes who can't make a C. all you have to do is show up, lose the "self-entitlement" (a big word) attitude, and turn everything in on time....to pass.

if you can't make C's in college today, you are trying not to.