McCain's Veep

[Diogenes]

You must be confusing me with someone who gives a fuck.But confused is natural for you.

Yes, and with minimal effort on my part.

Keep up the good work, loser.

[Cuda]

Most abortion doctors are Jews.

and most jews are... democRats

[BSmack]

Meanwhile the McCain campaign is in full melt mode.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/CA6592163.html

How fucking bad can this be? McCain is so worried about having to answer for Palin that he's running scared of Larry King?

[Cuda]

keep grasping at straws, monica

[BSmack]

keep grasping at straws, monica

Grasping at straws? This should be a time for the GOP to be reveling in their media exposure, not shying away from it. Larry King may be a softest interviewer in the history of television and McCain is running from him like he's Mike Fucking Wallace.

[Dinsdale]

Btw, Dinsdale, Ron Paul is pro-life, and correctly so.

Personally, he's strongly anti-abortion. He strongly believes in overturning Roe vs.Wade...


Because nowhere in the Constitution does it even remotely suggest that the fed has any business making any sort of laws on the subject, because morality-laws have always supposed to have been a STATES RIGHTS issue.

So don't gloss over the fact that Dr. Paul believes that the People of North Dakota have every right to make laws concerning moral conduct in North Dakota.

[Diogenes]

It' called playing hardball. If the hacks there want to be as moronic as MSNBC, they'll get trated that way. Leave the interviews for actual journalistic organizations.

[RadioFan]

Rack Newt for tearing Obama a new one last night. I loved it when that nignoid reporter asked him about Palin's lack of experience and it blew up in his fukken face. Newt even said, "name ONE thing Obama has done. Just ONE thing."

I loved how the reporter looked like he was going to start crying.

You can ask any Obama supporter that question and it's dead silence.

Fukken deafening silence.

Stoopid fukken morons.

RACK NEWT

Shut the fuck up.

[Diogenes]

Oh, That Joe! (No. 5 in a Series) -- Biden: Now is the Moment for me 'as a US Senator Running for President' to Put Aside Politics


At a Scranton, Penn., Italian festival this afternoon, Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del. standing on the side of a black Suburban, took the microphone to address the downtown crowd and explain why Hurricane Gustav precluded his campaigning today.

"I will be back, I'll be back to campaign in earnest," Biden said, "but today is not the moment for me to campaign. Today is the moment for me as a United States senator running for president to put aside the national politics and focus on what's happening down there" in the Gulf Coast.

Biden has still spent more time this election cycle campaigning for president than he has running for vice president.

-- Jake Tapper and Matt Jaffe

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch ... oe-no.html

Somehow I'm not to worried about how well Palin does debating this mensa.

[Smackie Chan]

This should be a time for the GOP to be reveling in their media exposure, not shying away from it. Larry King may be a softest interviewer in the history of television and McCain is running from him like he's Mike Fucking Wallace.

the campaign told the news network they thought Brown's interview with spokesman Tucker Bounds was "over the line."

Of course it did. It's not like they could claim it was "out of Bounds."

[Cuda]

keep grasping at straws, monica

Grasping at straws? This should be a time for the GOP to be reveling in their media exposure, not shying away from it. Larry King may be a softest interviewer in the history of television and McCain is running from him like he's Mike Fucking Wallace.

you want to hitch your wagon to that star, go right ahead, monica

[JayDuck]

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... 18,00.html

Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

[Goober McTuber]

You must be confusing me.

Yes, and with minimal effort on my part. Bitch.

Keep up the good work.

Will do. Bitch.

[KC Scott]

I think perhaps if you sat down with an obstetrician for a half-hour where he could show some pics -- do a little show-and-tell with you -- you might have a change of heart.

Maybe.

Been there done that - 3 times. And it isn't my right to call what pregnancies are carried to term or aborted, neither is it yours. It's the mother and hopefully the father who created it.

Your dogma somehow gives you the right to make a call based on messages from your imaginary freind? No

You're reducing that growing human being into nothing more than someone's property?

I put the same question to you I put to Wags who caspered; is it better for a child to grow up in abuse, poverty, neglect and ultimatley grow up a ward of the state or in the penal system?

No - and make sure before you lay adoption on the table that you'd sign up to take a black baby boy born to a crackhead mother

[Tom In VA]

Your dogma somehow gives you the right to make a call based on messages from your imaginary freind? No

No. It's called honesty, truth and common fucking sense. But if you need to lump all people that view abortion as killing a human being into some religious wackfest, feel free.

[Tom In VA]

It's not human mvscal, it's not human because it doesn't look like us, talk like us, it doesn't have feelings yet, and it's just a piece of tissue. Bascially it's a parasite.

Which is ironic, seeing the left wing socialists would want us to all become parasites feeding off what the host state lets us have.

Hmm, there's something to that. It's not okay to kill humans, it's okay to kill parasites - socialists want to create a nation of parasites .....


Hmmm. Fascinating stuff this is. Like I said, human kind is too stupid to define when "life" begins.

But as George Carlin once said .... "You can't fool me, it stops a beating heart". A human heart.

[Goober McTuber]

So this thread is switching fro a VP discussion to abortion? It should hit 30 pages easily.

[Dinsdale]

Anyone remember Tom whining... and whining... and whining about the Iraq War, and how some of them thar' Dune Coons needed some killin'?


This is a stellar KYOA moment.

[Tom In VA]

So this thread is switching fro a VP discussion to abortion? It should hit 30 pages easily.

Well you brought it up.

[Tom In VA]

Anyone remember Tom whining... and whining... and whining about the Iraq War, and how some of them thar' Dune Coons needed some killin'?


This is a stellar KYOA moment.

How so ? War is killing humans too. Did I ever suggest otherwise ? Go run away and change your tampon again you lying sack of shit.

[M Club]

No you didn't post it for any other reason than to try lump it into your claims against Palin. Spin it any other way and you'll look more dizzy than you actually are, not that I care, but I wouldn't want to fall down and hurt yourself.

Oh what a tangled web we weave. Why don't you have the moral fiber to say ..... "I was wrong". The New York Times did, albeit on page 16, with a whimper.


Sackless cowards.

dizzy? at least i can walk straight enough to follow a single line of reasoning, unlike you and, yes, your blanket hysterics. i didn't make any claims against palin. i said it's obvious she wasn't vetted very carefully and listed some baggage, her close connections to the aip part of it.

nice try, though.

[M Club]

you should refrain from blanket hysterics. i fully agree it's pitiful to pursue rumors about a fake preggers or to pin some 18-year-old's affection for rednecks and "fucking shit up" on palin. but the bald-faced lies about party affiliation? hardly. running steven's 527? troopergate? if it weren't such an issue she'd help fastrack the investigation as to be exonerated asap rather than try to delay her deposition.

Did you actually read the link you posted ? It was actually addressing the fact Palin has been a registered Republican since 1982.

That's okay. Whoever he gets his talking points from should have a fresh set of lies in the morning.

so what part about that article wasn't true? or is talking points euphemism for inconvenient truths?

[Tom In VA]

i didn't make any claims against palin.

Bullshit.

but the bald-faced lies about party affiliation? hardly. running steven's 527? troopergate?

You made three claims there.

[Goober McTuber]

So this thread is switching fro a VP discussion to abortion? It should hit 30 pages easily.

Well you brought it up.

I did?!?

Oh yeah.

Diaphanous' posts = abortions. I guess I did sort of point that out.

[Diogenes]

Did you actually read the link you posted ? It was actually addressing the fact Palin has been a registered Republican since 1982.

That's okay. Whoever he gets his talking points from should have a fresh set of lies in the morning.

so what part about that article wasn't true? or is talking points euphemism for inconvenient truths?

If 'inconvenient truths' is Gorespeak for idiotic lies, than yes.

[Jay in Phoenix]

No. It's called honesty, truth and common fucking sense. But if you need to lump all people that view abortion as killing a human being into some religious wackfest, feel free.

Honesty, truth and common sense? Come on Tom. I respect your opinions about as much as anyone else's on this board, but back up a step or two, as the point about a "religious wackfest" isn't altogether what Scott implied.

Look at it like this. If you knew you were going to have a child, and said child was going to be born horribly deformed, you know, freakshow flipper-baby status, or perhaps was going to suffer from crippling mental disfunction, how fair is it to bring said child to term? Now by no means do I imply that all birth defects fall into this catagory. In fact, the kind I'm referring to are in the minority. There are some amazing people in this world who are equipped to deal with the life-long issues that come along with raising a child with such issues. But the reality is, most people aren't.

Would you want to spend your life deformed, or mentally disfunctional, unable to care for yourself?

Simply put, nobody can throw a blanket statement of pro or con on the subject of abortions. Nobody has that right. It is up to the parents and the parents alone.

[Jay in Phoenix]

Way to miss the point mv. Nice job.

[M Club]

i didn't make any claims against palin.

Bullshit.

but the bald-faced lies about party affiliation? hardly. running steven's 527? troopergate?

You made three claims there.

here's where i jumped into this "conversation":

all this "i'm not *baaaa* partisan but you're *baaa* a partisan sheep *baaa*" has been comical. face it, palin wasn't vetted very carefully and now there's a host of shit to spin. imagine how much there'd be if she weren't so experienced fighting on the front lines of the alaskan frontier with all the other gwb-like fighter pilots in the ang. she and her not-penis were rolled out specifically to say hillary's a cool chick, come vote for this pile of melanoma, but since it took all of two days for that to be booed out of her stump speech the repubz are left justifying a whole lot of [.....empty space.....].

sooner or later the guy who want so bad to be your father wrote this:

The "media vetting" you refer to consists of bald faced lies about her party affiliation, fake myspace pages and unsubstantiated rumor mongering about her pregnancy. Since we're on the subject of media vetting, where is Onogga's real birth certificate by the way?

i responded with:

you should refrain from blanket hysterics. i fully agree it's pitiful to pursue rumors about a fake preggers or to pin some 18-year-old's affection for rednecks and "fucking shit up" on palin. but the bald-faced lies about party affiliation? hardly. running steven's 527? troopergate? if it weren't such an issue she'd help fastrack the investigation as to be exonerated asap rather than try to delay her deposition.

clearly the issue here is whether or not she was vetted, which is a process used to identify issues in her background that may be exploited against her politically regardless of their relevance to actual governing. the 527, troopergate, and her husband's secessionist wet dream are all issues the campaign has to deal with, are they not? i'm sorry you're so unsmart.

[M Club]

so what part about that article wasn't true? or is talking points euphemism for inconvenient truths?

If 'inconvenient truths' is Gorespeak for idiotic lies, than yes.

so you don't read much. good.

[Jay in Phoenix]

I did make a point, and a valid one. You obviously are incapable of figuring it out.

Or you're just ignoring it.

Either way, answer the question I posited or shut the fuck up.

[M Club]

so what part about that article wasn't true?

The part about Palin ever being a member of the AIP, you simple, stupid fuck.

Run along, moron.

oh, it said palin was in the aip? there are literacy courses available at your cc. you could enroll in one with all the messicans.

[Tom In VA]

Nobody has that right. It is up to the parents and the parents alone.

The parents, CHOOSE, whether or not to keep a human being alive. I've been roped into this mess because I simply call "abortion" what it is, terminating a human life. It seems that people who want to be "Pro-Choice" have a need to rationalize their "Pro Choice" view by engaging in semantic debate and euphamisms leading people to believe ... "Well, it isn't really human yet".

So, When is it Human ?

The answer seems to be "When we say so". I have indicated that when human engage in determining who is human and who is not, we've often gotten ourselves into trouble. We have.

Do women have a right to choose what they do with that human life ? Yes.
Do States have a right to legislate whether or not doctors can provide the service of terminating that child in a safe environment ? Yes.
Do i think Roe v. Wade went against the States rights to CHOOSE their laws and regulations ? Yes.

I have a sister in law, she miscarried early into the pregnancy. She wept and mourned the loss of her child. To her it was a human being, because she wanted a baby. Others, have abortions for the very reasons you mention, they do so mournfully, their primary thought in mind is that no human being should have to live with certain disabilities ... to them ... it is a human being.

In both cases, a human being lost life.

[Tom In VA]

i'm sorry you're so unsmart.

I'm smart enough to call you on your bullshit and have you spinning yourself into a tizzy because you can't be man enough to say ....

"Yeah, okay, I got caught up in the New York Times lie du jour yesterday and was chiming in like a synchophant on the false allegations Palin was a member of a third party .... but hey if the New York Times can admit it - albeit on page 16 today - so can I."


Like I said. You never struck me as a sackless, intellectually dishonest, moral coward ... until now.

[Jay in Phoenix]

So, When is it Human ?

Tom, that wasn't what I was talking about. You're doing what mvscal did, side-stepping the questions.

So, I'll ask them again: If you knew you were going to have a child, and said child was going to be born horribly deformed, you know, freakshow flipper-baby status, or perhaps was going to suffer from crippling mental disfunction, how fair is it to bring said child to term? Would you want to spend your life deformed, or mentally disfunctional, unable to care for yourself?

Now then, answer the questions.

[M Club]

i'm sorry you're so unsmart.

I'm smart enough to call you on your bullshit and have you spinning yourself into a tizzy because you can't be man enough to say ....

"Yeah, okay, I got caught up in the New York Times lie du jour yesterday and was chiming in like a synchophant on the false allegations Palin was a member of a third party .... but hey if the New York Times can admit it - albeit on page 16 today - so can I."


Like I said. You never struck me as a sackless, intellectually dishonest, moral coward ... until now.

no, you're not smart enough. i just traced exactly what i said, that they're issues attached to her. are they not? are people talking about them? huh? yeah, you're not very smart. i'm trying to help you by pointing out you're having a different argument than i am, but you just want another excuse to call someone else a moron.

like you said, it should be easy to admit you were wrong.

[Tom In VA]

Tom, that wasn't what I was talking about.

That's what I was saying to you. Your appeal to emotion seemed to deal with your perception that I am somehow saying the parents of unborn baby humans don't have the free will to choose whether or not to terminate the life of that unborn baby human. We all have the right to choose whether we kill human beings or not.

Some people are wetting their pants because I don't use euphemisms and engage in the tapestry of lies associated with those defending this choice.

What would I do ? I don't know. Ulimately I would have to choose whether or not take a human life, obviously.

[JayDuck]

So, When is it Human ?

How about when it has a significantly sofisticated enough nervous system, actually, capable of giving it independant life on its own, rather than an existence as a parasite? How about when it ceases going through the tadpole, fish and lizard stages of evolution and actually takes human form? How about when it ceases to be a microscopic object, smaller than the head of a pin and could actually be seen with the naked eye?

I hope you don't shed a tear every time you jerk off to Sarah Palin pictures as well, because not everything that is capable of becoming human is human.

Honestly assigning a value of "human" to an embryo, before its developed all of the neccessary organs and its central nervous system is absolutely a matter of religion, as the only way to logically conclude it is through assigning it a "soul" at a point before independant thought is possible.

[Dinsdale]

i'm sorry you're so unsmart.

I'm smart enough to call you on your bullshit and have you spinning yourself into a tizzy because you can't be man enough to say ....

"Yeah, okay, I got caught up in the New York Times lie du jour yesterday and was chiming in like a synchophant on the false allegations Palin was a member of a third party .... but hey if the New York Times can admit it - albeit on page 16 today - so can I."


Like I said. You never struck me as a sackless, intellectually dishonest, moral coward ... until now.

Stop.

Just... stop.


You got called out for putting words in his mouth (and he even provided the text to back up what he said)...


and now you're resorted to telling bald-faced lies to try and save face.


Just stop.

[Dinsdale]

People with such disabilities are still able to experience what is truly important in life.

For sure.

Through modern technology, many handicapped people are able to use computers, giving them the life-affirming experience of calling people "dumbfuck" on BBS boards.

[M Club]

clearly the issue here is whether or not she was vetted,

She was vetted, you fucking moron. Her husband doesn't have shit to do with anything and McCain's campaign determined that "troopergate" and briefly working for Ted Stevens don't add up to shit.

Are you attempting to suggest that that piddly little bullshit is supposed to disqualify her for some reason? You're dreaming...and not very intelligent. Nothing funnier than watching some pinheaded dipshit mindlessly spout media talking points on a subject he knows nothing about while trying to run sheep smack.

*yawn*

i didn't say they should disqualify her. i said they're issues. have you not been talking about them for 15 or so pages now?