Stick a fork in the Skins

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:47 am

14-0, 9:30 to go in the first. Carbon copy of the lackluster performance to open the season at the Meadowlands. They will be lucky if the Ravens give them a reacharound before this is over. This offense has officially quit and hit ROCK FUCKING BOTTOM.

If they weren't so pathetic as to lose to the Rams at home in Week Six, they still could be alive for the playoffs. But nope. Way to go, fellas.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:14 pm

Maybe they could get Joe Gibbs to come back.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:09 pm

Low expectations this year. New coach, new system, and .... lack of lines (O and D).

So far those expectations have been exceeded. However, there's a lot wrong with the Redskins about which a lot needs to be done. One thing, I think Zorn is our man. Looking forward to next year already.

The years of the coaching carousel should be over, Jim Zorn has shown himself to be a leader, and a coach the team will rally behind. Gibbs, was that too, but Gibbs was way too pre-occupied with other things and not as hungry as Zorn is. I'd say Snyder has finally found his man.

Now if only Snyder could remove himself from Cerrato's taint, we'd be in even better condition.

stuckinia · Post by **stuckinia** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:24 pm

Every single 2009 draft pick (all 4 of them) should go towards offensive and defensive lines.

Cut the dead weight- Springs, Washington, Taylor, Jansen, Rock, Trash, Rabach. If the team is going to play like shit, at least do it with youngsters.

Have an open competition for QB because I am running out of excuses for Campbell.

Somehow, make Bugeyes Vinnie disappear forever.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:32 pm

stuckinia wrote:Somehow, make Bugeyes Vinnie disappear forever.

I'll add my take later, but it's pretty much been said in NFL circles that if it wasn't for Snyder, Cerrato wouldn't have a job in a similar capacity anywhere else in the NFL.

I'd march Rabach out the door first. Dude's been fucking worthless all season.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:34 pm

Campbell is shell shocked. Put a decent line in front of him and he'll do okay. He's young, learning a new system this year, and he'll be a great QB as he matures. I've seen improvement in him from last year to this year and expect that trend to continue.

I'm not jumping on the bandwagon to remove Campbell just yet.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:18 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:I'd march Rabach out the door first. Dude's been fucking worthless all season.

OK, genius. I mean I hate for you to think I'm picking on you, but Jesus Christ, quit posting like an idiot.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football ... htm?csp=34

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/vi ... p?t=480650

stuckinia · Post by **stuckinia** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:07 pm

Those articles did not seem to mention him getting blown up by every 3-4 nose tackle he has faced in the past month. He has absolutely sucked ass in pass protection.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:11 pm

stuckinia wrote:Those articles did not seem to mention him getting blown up by every 3-4 nose tackle he has faced in the past month. He has absolutely sucked ass in pass protection.

I wouldn’t know that because I don’t make a point of watching Redskin games, but I find it amusing that not one but two major publications named him to their mid-season All-Pro teams.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:15 pm

No surprise the urine drinking Goober McTardtakes only takes up for the horrible Rabach because he's (SHOCKER) a Wisconsin grad. Not too hard to graduate from that JUCO program.

You just admitted you don't watch Skins games. I've watched every single one this season. He fucking sucks and is exposed every game. No wonder you've taken up for him. To his defense, he's not the worst pass blocker on the team. That goes to cement head (and legs) Jon Jansen, who is equally as fucking worthless.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:17 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
stuckinia wrote:Those articles did not seem to mention him getting blown up by every 3-4 nose tackle he has faced in the past month. He has absolutely sucked ass in pass protection.
I wouldn’t know that because I don’t make a point of watching Redskin games, but I find it amusing that not one but two major publications named him to their mid-season All-Pro teams.

Because they're not regularly watching Skins games. More than likely only the nationally broadcast ones.

Quit posting and just shut the fuck up already. Leave the Skins talk to the grown-ups.

stuckinia · Post by **stuckinia** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:22 pm

My guess is those publications felt that they had to have a Skins o-lineman for All-Pro because of Portis leading the league in rushing at the time. They must have just picked a name out of a hat because Chris Samuels was their best lineman before he got hurt. The running game's strength was to run behind Samuels and Kendall, not up the middle. With Samuels hurt and Rabach still healthy, the run game has been non existent.

You would not happen to be Goober "mtool"ing Rabach the Badger here, would you?

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:24 pm

stuckinia wrote:My guess is those publications felt that they had to have a Skins o-lineman for All-Pro because of Portis leading the league in rushing at the time. They must have just picked a name out of a hat because Chris Samuels was their best lineman before he got hurt. The running game's strength was to run behind Samuels and Kendall, not up the middle. With Samuels hurt and Rabach still healthy, the run game has been non existent.

Solid as it comes. Add to that Portis' injury problems and our running game has - stopped running.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:34 pm

Portis said it loud and clear earlier in the year: "My line sucks." After Week 1, the team seemed to get it together and since they were winning, no one really worried about the O-line anymore. Have to imagine the weak line has taken a major toll on him physically as he's not really had any huge holes to bust through all season. He'll probably end up dying during the wild card round as he won't hold up or not play due to injury. Dude is a beast.

Samuels hasn't been 100% the whole season, either. Would have been great to see him at full-strength and Heyer back in business as well.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:35 pm

stuckinia wrote:Those articles did not seem to mention him getting blown up by every 3-4 nose tackle he has faced in the past month. He has absolutely sucked ass in pass protection.

OK, after some brief research the Skins have had 4 games in the past month, including two opponents which employ 4-3 defenses..

Ravens – got 2 sacks, both by linebackers
Giants – (4-3 defense) 2 sacks, 1 by a DT, 1 by a DE
Seahawks - (4-3 def) 2 sacks, 1 by a LB, 1 by a DE
Cowboys - 3 sacks, 1 by a LB, 2 by a DE

Seems to me there’s one sack by an interior defensive lineman. Maybe you can fill me in on what I’m missing here, but that doesn’t seem like horrible pass protection by your center. Your run game might be non-existent because your best runner got hurt.

Not surprising that the Extasy-addled Screwball would try to single out a former Badger. Hey tard, how do you explain two major publications naming him to their mid-season All-Pro teams? stuckinia's explanation was weak, at best.

Look I'm no jocking Rabach because he's an ex-Badger. I didn't think he'd ever make it in the NFL. But it seems obvious to me that he's not as bad as y'all would like to believe.

stuckinia · Post by **stuckinia** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:41 pm

The NT may not be getting the sacks, but a ton a pressure has been coming up the middle. I remember Fergasun from the Cowpies being in Campbell's face the entire game.

Also, I am not singling out Rabach as the problem for the O-line. The Skins need to replace 3 out of the 5 losers this off-season. Jesus, they gave up a sack on a 2-man rush against the Ravens.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:43 pm

And I wasn't dissing him squarely because he's an ex Felon ERRR Badger. He sucks, flat out. Dude is probably the only OL in history to have two TDs called back because of holding calls on back to motherfucking back plays (at Dallas, week 5). Dude should have been put out on the street after that alone.

Being a Wisconsinite only adds to how much he sucks, not the sole reason for it.

Have another rock hit, idiot.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:44 pm

Good takes from stuckinia, since he actually watches the fucking team. Unlike Goober McPencil dick, who hasn't the nariest fucking clue about what's going on with the team. Games aren't played on paper, dingleberry breath.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:49 pm

Defenses run stunts, so it's difficult to derive which gap or hole is exploited based solely on position. You'd need to break down film in order to be 100% accurate.

The fact remains that the Redskin's line is their biggest liability.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:55 pm

Anybody remember Derrick Frost slamming Cerrato (and his draft) before the season after being cut during training camp? Bwahah. Everyone blew it off as the punter bitching because he got cut (and rightly so) but dude was spot on about Cerrato trying to cover his ass for his horrible, horrible draft. Kelly and Thomas have been pretty uninspiring, the Ray Guy-winning punter at GT was released, and pretty much every single 08 draft pick has been basically a bust.

Don't be surprised to see Suisham gone either, next season. Dude is BRU-TAL.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:22 pm

Don't remember much about pre-season stuff, was working 18 hour days spring and summer. What I do remember is PR bullshit about Cerrato.

stuckinia · Post by **stuckinia** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:31 pm

And now Portis has basically gone off on Zorn on the John Thompson show.

At least they are not the Lions.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:49 pm

So he's melting down a little bit earlier this year.

Great. What'd he say this time ?

stuckinia · Post by **stuckinia** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:57 pm

Mainly bitching about being benched and the lack of communication from Zorn.

From JLC:

So we officially have a chemistry problem. Clinton Portis unloaded on Jim Zorn during today's John Thompson Show appearance, over and over again. He swore, he suggested maybe he should go on the injured reserve, he offered to become a cheerleader, and he said this, when asked what adjustments should be made.

"We got a genius for a head coach, I don't know, I'm sure he on top of things. He's got everything figured out. Hey, that's up to him. All I can do is when he calls a play is go out and try to execute to the best of my ability."

And then later, on the big picture, he had this to say:

"Maybe I'm the problem. Maybe I'm the problem, since I don't practice, since I'm the only person that don't practice and come out and give it what I've got, maybe I'm the problem, so I might need to be on IR."

Zorn's response, an hour later, to Portis claiming he was benched?

"Well, any time you don't go in, that's the way you feel," Zorn said. "And he is a big part of our offense and he's sitting on the bench, he's got to feel like he's benched, I don't blame him for that."

And Zorn on the IR question: "No, I think he's gotten himself healthy, I think he felt a lot better after this game and I'm looking forward to having him out there on every snap, practicing [and] getting ready for the Cincinnati Bengals so we can use him as our every down back."

And lastly, Zorn on the practice issue: "It wasn't that we weren't getting the running ability, he was doing great things, his effort was high. He would tell you this and I agree with him wholeheartedly, that when he is playing the game he's giving you his best effort and I've said this over and over again, he's very wicked on the playing field, he's what you want....Each week I felt like in certain parts of the game he was getting out on routes but it wasn't exact and quick. And I thought, 'ok here's an opportunity for us to get Ladell in, who HAS practiced.' And he knows it just because he's rehearsed it and rehearsed it. I think [Portis is] a confident player and he would believe he can do it without reps, I just made the decision not to give him that chance.

More Portis quotes (and this will keep updating until I'm done transcribing):

On his coaches: "If my coaches don't feel like I can get it done, put me on the sidelines. You feel like I can help this team, put me on the field, and that's all I've got to say about it. I don't' have to confront them. They know what they've got. They know what's standing on the sideline. Five weeks ago, three weeks ago, four weeks ago when I'm sitting first in the NFL and all of the sudden we don't run the ball no more? I'm hurt, and that's why we ain't running it? Cmon. You [kidding] me?"

On the lines of communication: "It ain't lack of communication with me because that's some BS to go out and say I don't know what's going on. When have I missed a meeting? Let me start missing meetings. Let me not come out and practice, let me sit my ass in the training room if I don't know what's going on. What am I standing outside for?"

On being benched: "You know, I think when you come to me man it's just a matter of who wants to see me out. You know, London Fletcher played in the game and didn't practice all week. All of the sudden it gets aggravating to [see me] standing on the sideline and you see me step into something and pick it up and understand what's going on. I haven't missed a meeting, I haven't missed a practice. I'm outside, I hear everything everybody else hears. It kind of shocked me too, but hey that's what the man said. You go back and watch film, I guarantee you won't see me make no mistakes. Maybe he's watching a different film than me."

On his understanding of the situation: "If it's an issue with me, you tell me that. Outside of Jim Zorn and the coaches on that team and maybe the quarterbacks, I guarantee you I know our system better than anybody else, I guarantee when we go over blitz pickups I don't miss my man. I don't know what it is, bro. If anybody got a problem with me, they need to talk to me. I don't know whats going on."

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:06 pm

I got the answer: More Flo lanes at FedEx Field and more pennants with $1 off Papa John's pizza coupons given away to the first 20k fans at the gate.

I'm calling it now: They're going to re-sign Degulpaload Hall and he's gonna suck ass next year.

DamnTheCowboys · Post by **DamnTheCowboys** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:27 am

Kendall and Samuels are the only ones on the line who are pretty dependable. Randy Thomas says the right things but he's playing like he's 39 and is always hurt. Landry has been a major disappointment this year. Springs is jaking it....get rid of him. Rogers has played at a Pro Bowl level but if he'd learn to actually catch the damn ball he'd be in the Hall of Fame right now.
Pretty much everyone on the team sucks. I'll give the defense some credit for not mailing it in yet, but watch them somehow, some way, give up about 27 points to the Bengals this week.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:57 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:Good takes from stuckinia, since he actually watches the fucking team. Unlike Goober McPencil dick, who hasn't the nariest fucking clue about what's going on with the team. Games aren't played on paper, dingleberry breath.

And yet two major publications singled him out as the best center in the NFL during the first half of the season. But of course two message board tards know more than the guys who get paid to do this. Must be especially galling to you, Screwball, since you’d rather be making your living in sports journalism rather than mopping up jizz in the adult bookstore.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:59 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:you’d rather be making your living in sports journalism

Says who? Take your time.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:01 pm

The Redskins should dump Portis while they can still get something for him- like maybe a white QB

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:03 pm

Cuda wrote:The Redskins should dump Portis while they can still get something for him- like maybe a white QB

Like Gay Cuntler, Brett Favre or Tony Homo? A white qb like those tards?

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:03 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:you’d rather be making your living in sports journalism rather than mopping up jizz in the adult bookstore.
Says who? Take your time.

All righty then.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:05 pm

As usual, you've got nothing but Corky-esque replies. Come back when you've got a real take, pole smoker.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:38 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:
Cuda wrote:The Redskins should dump Portis while they can still get something for him- like maybe a white QB
Like Gay Cuntler, Brett Favre or Tony Homo? A white qb like those tards?

even Joey Harrington would be an upgrade

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:28 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:As usual, you've got nothing but Corky-esque replies. Come back when you've got a real take, pole smoker.

I gave you a real take. Major publications think he was the best center in the league the first 8 games. I showed you how in the past month only one sack came froim an interior D-lineman. A number of them were by linebackers. I thought Portis said, "I guarantee when we go over blitz pickups I don't miss my man." As usual, you're full of shit.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:43 pm

Goober McTuber wrote: I gave you a real take. Major publications think he was the best center in the league the first 8 games. I showed you how in the past month only one sack came froim an interior D-lineman. A number of them were by linebackers. I thought Portis said, "I guarantee when we go over blitz pickups I don't miss my man."

1. The stats you provided don't reveal anything other than the position of the player making the sack. Doesn't reveal anything about which lineman/blocker they beat to do so.

2. Portis is not a lineman.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:33 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
Screw_Michigan wrote:As usual, you've got nothing but Corky-esque replies. Come back when you've got a real take, pole smoker.
I gave you a real take. Major publications think he was the best center in the league the first 8 games. I showed you how in the past month only one sack came froim an interior D-lineman. A number of them were by linebackers. I thought Portis said, "I guarantee when we go over blitz pickups I don't miss my man." As usual, you're full of shit.

Remember Portis saying earlier in the season: "I wish I could play behind a real offensive line?" I'm sure he didn't accidentally forget to say "Except for Rabach. He's really good."

Of course you didn't because you had your head up your motherfucking ass. No surprise there.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:44 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:
Screw_Michigan wrote:As usual, you've got nothing but Corky-esque replies. Come back when you've got a real take, pole smoker.
I gave you a real take. Major publications think he was the best center in the league the first 8 games. I showed you how in the past month only one sack came froim an interior D-lineman. A number of them were by linebackers. I thought Portis said, "I guarantee when we go over blitz pickups I don't miss my man." As usual, you're full of shit.
Remember Portis saying earlier in the season: "I wish I could play behind a real offensive line?" I'm sure he didn't accidentally forget to say "Except for Rabach. He's really good."

He was speaking about the line as a whole. You were singling out the one guy on that line that was recognized as the best at his position in the league after 8 games. You not very smart. Shocker.

Tom, you ignorant slut. I know that Portis is not a lineman. Most of the time a blitzing linebacker would be the responsibility of the running back. The center is involved in stopping the nose guard/defensive tackles. Are all Skins fans this thick?

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:48 pm

Did either of those fishwrap reporters watch every game Rabach played in this season? Yes or no, rimjob?

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:53 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:Did either of those fishwrap reporters watch every game Rabach played in this season?

I gues you'd have to ask them, fuckface. Still, I’d give either of them much more credence than I would an unemployed, Extasy-addicted MGMT fan.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:10 pm

Goober McTuber wrote: I know that Portis is not a lineman.

Cool. You had me worried there for a minute.

I'm not calling for Rabach's head. But our line is - poor. Why Rabach made it to the lists you posted is beyond me but would suggest that Raback isn't the biggest hole in our line. However, the proof you provided about the defenses and their sacks in the last four games doesn't prove anything about Rabach.