PAC 10.... baby

.m2 · Post by **.m2** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:51 pm

The Conference of Champions

5-0

Overrated.... my ass.

Simply, where the best defense and offense is played of any conference in the country.

The BCS MNC is being played for the 2nd best team in the country.

The Pollsters have screwed the PAC 10 once again.

the truth

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:26 am

What a load of crap? You tout that 5-0 bowl record as proving the Pac-10 is the best conference in the country yet you seemed to forget to mention the Mountain West's record agains the Pac-10 this year. Hmm.....that's odd.

I think based on your criteria you'd have to say the Mountain West is the best conference in the country.

.m2 · Post by **.m2** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:19 am

TheJON wrote:What a load of crap? You tout that 5-0 bowl record as proving the Pac-10 is the best conference in the country yet you seemed to forget to mention the Mountain West's record agains the Pac-10 this year. Hmm.....that's odd.

I think based on your criteria you'd have to say the Mountain West is the best conference in the country.

Excuses.

From a guy whose conference is now 1-5 in bowl games.

Pssst.... The Mountain West is 2-2 in bowl games this year.

With one of their bowl wins coming from a team (Colorado State).... that lost to Cal... 42-7.

the truth

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:16 pm

I noticed how "the truth" side stepped the PAC 10's record against the Mountain West. The regular season must now be meaningless.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:21 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:Man, I knew this shit was coming. The idiots on TV all braying about "the Pac 10 was underrated all year"...BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

The Pac 10 was weak as hell. The 5-0 record proves shit.

USC is a great team. No doubt. But that's it.

Cal beats a shitty Miami team because of a late fumble deep in Miami territory. Wow.

Arizona beats BYU. Wow.

Oregon State beats shit Pitt, 3-0. Whoopee.

Oregon beat a good Okie State team.

So USC and Oregon beat pretty good teams...and that proves the Pac 10 is strong this year? I think not.

Pitiful conference.

M-Y-O-P-I-A

GreginPG · Post by **GreginPG** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:48 pm

TheJON wrote:What a load of crap? You tout that 5-0 bowl record as proving the Pac-10 is the best conference in the country yet you seemed to forget to mention the Mountain West's record agains the Pac-10 this year. Hmm.....that's odd.

I think based on your criteria you'd have to say the Mountain West is the best conference in the country.

I don't know about the 'best conference in the country' crap but how besides season OOC matchup how else would you measure conferences?
We have the bowls.

So for what it's worth, for guys like you and Sudden Sam...

The Pac 10 IS 5-0 in the bowls, and 4 of those came against ranked opponents, including a ranked (16) MWC team, a ranked (13) Big 12 team, and a ranked (8) Big Ten team.

Face it, the Pac 10 isn't as bad as people made it out to be and few are willing to admit it.

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:56 pm

USC is an elite team, no doubts there. Oregon had a good showing against Okie State-- that win gives the Pac-10 a miniscule argument over the strength of the Big XII South.

But let's face it, the wins by Arizona, Kal & Oregon State didn't prove a whole helluva lot. If anything, at least two of those games were scabdick wins over very inconsistent teams (uhh, Pitt and the U

).

With no head-to-head matchups with the SEC, in particular, that 5-0 conference record is inflated. The Pac-10 might be anywhere from the 1st to 3rd best conference, but we'll never really know. Or care for that matter.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:59 pm

L45B wrote: The Pac-10 might be anywhere from the 1st to 3rd best conference, but we'll never really know. Or care for that matter.

Required reading for SECballsuckinghomers

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:21 pm

devil's advocate: how many true neutral site games did the Pac play? the Sun Bowl, OK? U of A playing in Vegas? Cal in SF? USC in Pasadena? Oregon in the Holiday? Pretty regional friendly sites.

also, how many of the Pac's games were played before New Year's Day? the Big XII and the Meatgrinder still have 3 (4 with SEC, counting UK) teams yet to play. Pac 10 is done. Would Pac 10 fans agree to these same criteria when in years past jugheads like Doug Flutie start talking about the Big East (as a conference) whipping ass in the bowls against the Colorado State's of the world on December 26? With all respect to the B East's BCS record...

i agree the Pac 10 has been impressive but let's not throw context completely out the window. with m2 you saw it coming a mile away....

Also, L45b how is the Pac 10 (just to homer a bit) gaining a SOS advantage over the Big XII South with UO beating O State. there are 3 better teams than O State in the South, are there 3 better teams in the Pac 10 than UO? this was a 2-4 matchup between conferences, no?

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:33 pm

Your points are valid. No Pac-10 homer should initiate "our conference is the greatest" smack with the games that were played...

That said, mine and other's posts in this regard are RESPONSES to the continual drone about the Pac 1 and the usual west coast football sucks.

They are 100% myopic horse shit and it is very difficult not to respond to such.

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:49 pm

King Crimson wrote:Also, L45b how is the Pac 10 (just to homer a bit) gaining a SOS advantage over the Big XII South with UO beating O State. there are 3 better teams than O State in the South, are there 3 better teams in the Pac 10 than UO? this was a 2-4 matchup between conferences, no?

I wrote:that win gives the Pac-10 a miniscule argument over the strength of the Big XII South.

I agree with you, KC. I was merely trying to suggest any potential argument Pac-10 fan might dig up from its 5-0 record. And you haven proven my point: it doesn't mean much.

PISC · Post by **PISC** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:34 pm

The only thing proven this year is that most of the dumbfucks across the country still don't understand how great USC is and are once again knocking their Rose Bowl win after the fact. I even heard some idiot talking about how they gave up 24 to Penn? Huh, um this game stopped being played with any kind of intensity at 31-7. The freakin mercy of SC came through after that lead was taken. Is the Pac-10 great? No. Should USC expect to run it every year? Fuck No. Will the contry use a Pac-10 loss to devalue any of its best teams making a run for the title? Fucking A they will.

What most of you fuck nuts don't get is it takes a Pac-10 team that sees SC year after year to have a legit shot at beating them and when one does, everyone knocks SC and takes the opportunity to take them out of BCS title consideration. All your fucking over rated conferences, "beat each other" up and SC loses to "inferior competition". Titles recently won over The Big-10 aren't devalued but SC Rose Bowl wins sure are. Fucking bulllshit south eastern cornfed, pig shit eating fuckwads that don't know dick about SC because they still haven't discovered the electronic advancements of the fucking VCR. Unbelievable that people still say the east doesn't watch the west (yet criticizes them). You see a fucking schedule's result and think you know the story. Other shcools can not simulate SC's speed at practice because their teams don't have it and then they step on the field and are playing the game on their heels. Even OU got rolled and Texas fans were throwing in the towell until USC decided to CHOKE that one away.

So fuck off, bring the SEC and all your shit on the field when you have the balls. Even if 3-5 years from now, I'll bet anything that those pussies in the Big 12 and SEC would decline an invitation to play SC in the regular season because they are scared to get embarrrassed and miss out on their "title" which they have to protect. What a great way to earn a title, avoid USC. This Rose Bowl out is a great way to keep SC from being in the match up against them too, even last year with the opportunity those fuckwads gave us Illinois.

#1 AGAIN and I don't give a fuck what anybody says, SC is the best team in the country in January for yet another season. If you win a BCS title not having to go through SC to get it, it doesn't truly have the value you'd think. A title is earned when the best beats the best but it's pretty hard to do when the best keeps leaving openings for moron's with a vote to squeeze them out. So go get 'em Florida but it's still a lose lose situation in the SC book. Just like LSU's title, you didn't play the best boys. That's why you are forgotten about. Oh that and once again were carrying yet another inflated ranking around most of the year. LSU, Georgia..... These fuckwads don't know how to rank teams, they only know how to look at win loss records. If they knew what they were doing, they wouldn't have all these "upsets". They are not upsets because the "inferior team" won they are upsets because the pollsters didn't know who the inferior team was before they gave them their fucking ranking. So their guess work goes through constant change because they don't know dick! Every year we see evidence how inept they are evaluating the teams across the country. Why should I be surprised people don't know how good USC is? I shouldn't be.

Look at that shit after SC @ #5 there is nobody that can hang and up front, gimme a break for any fuckwad that thinks SC would get rolled by all of them (like I heard on a call last night). The Gators are the only ones that have a shot at SC and in January, um sorry. It's just so funny how much run Florida gets because they are eastern and SEC. It's SC ball but SC doesn't get the respect nation wide because the Pac-10 is division II ball I guess. Apparently Ole Miss would roll SC from what people say and write. The country as a whole knows SC has the upperhand as the GP decided point spread would indicate but these aren't the people that talk about or vote on it but the ones smart enough to know which side to risk their money on. There is not one shcool out there that would be favored over USC. Does it mean SC wins? No but no matter what any moron with his head up his ass says about SC and the Pac-10, we are the shit, we are the best, WE ARE SC!

Fuck off!

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:55 pm

So far the #2 team in the Pac 1's #2 finisher barely beat the #5 or #6 team in the Big 12, #3 team won in a soccer score over an overrated Big Least team, Cal barely survived a virtual home game against a pathetic Miami team from the ACC, and Zona won a game that they should have knowingly won coming into the season against. The only real game the Pac 1 won was by that one team in USC... forgive me for still not being impressed Mtool.

GreginPG · Post by **GreginPG** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:59 pm

Papa Willie wrote:Let's see USC play a bowl game that isn't a home game. :D

Orange Bowl, 2003, 38-17
Orange Bowl, 2005, 55-19

GreginPG · Post by **GreginPG** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:22 pm

Mace wrote:
PISC wrote:The only thing proven this year is that most of the dumbfucks across the country still don't understand how great USC is and are once again knocking their Rose Bowl win after the fact. I even heard some idiot talking about how they gave up 24 to Penn? Huh, um this game stopped being played with any kind of intensity at 31-7. The freakin mercy of SC came through after that lead was taken. Is the Pac-10 great? No. Should USC expect to run it every year? Fuck No. Will the contry use a Pac-10 loss to devalue any of its best teams making a run for the title? Fucking A they will.

What most of you fuck nuts don't get is it takes a Pac-10 team that sees SC year after year to have a legit shot at beating them and when one does, everyone knocks SC and takes the opportunity to take them out of BCS title consideration. All your fucking over rated conferences, "beat each other" up and SC loses to "inferior competition". Titles recently won over The Big-10 aren't devalued but SC Rose Bowl wins sure are. Fucking bulllshit south eastern cornfed, pig shit eating fuckwads that don't know dick about SC because they still haven't discovered the electronic advancements of the fucking VCR. Unbelievable that people still say the east doesn't watch the west (yet criticizes them). You see a fucking schedule's result and think you know the story. Other shcools can not simulate SC's speed at practice because their teams don't have it and then they step on the field and are playing the game on their heels. Even OU got rolled and Texas fans were throwing in the towell until USC decided to CHOKE that one away.

So fuck off, bring the SEC and all your shit on the field when you have the balls. Even if 3-5 years from now, I'll bet anything that those pussies in the Big 12 and SEC would decline an invitation to play SC in the regular season because they are scared to get embarrrassed and miss out on their "title" which they have to protect. What a great way to earn a title, avoid USC. This Rose Bowl out is a great way to keep SC from being in the match up against them too, even last year with the opportunity those fuckwads gave us Illinois.

#1 AGAIN and I don't give a fuck what anybody says, SC is the best team in the country in January for yet another season. If you win a BCS title not having to go through SC to get it, it doesn't truly have the value you'd think. A title is earned when the best beats the best but it's pretty hard to do when the best keeps leaving openings for moron's with a vote to squeeze them out. So go get 'em Florida but it's still a lose lose situation in the SC book. Just like LSU's title, you didn't play the best boys. That's why you are forgotten about. Oh that and once again were carrying yet another inflated ranking around most of the year. LSU, Georgia..... These fuckwads don't know how to rank teams, they only know how to look at win loss records. If they knew what they were doing, they wouldn't have all these "upsets". They are not upsets because the "inferior team" won they are upsets because the pollsters didn't know who the inferior team was before they gave them their fucking ranking. So their guess work goes through constant change because they don't know dick! Every year we see evidence how inept they are evaluating the teams across the country. Why should I be surprised people don't know how good USC is? I shouldn't be.

Look at that shit after SC @ #5 there is nobody that can hang and up front, gimme a break for any fuckwad that thinks SC would get rolled by all of them (like I heard on a call last night). The Gators are the only ones that have a shot at SC and in January, um sorry. It's just so funny how much run Florida gets because they are eastern and SEC. It's SC ball but SC doesn't get the respect nation wide because the Pac-10 is division II ball I guess. Apparently Ole Miss would roll SC from what people say and write. The country as a whole knows SC has the upperhand as the GP decided point spread would indicate but these aren't the people that talk about or vote on it but the ones smart enough to know which side to risk their money on. There is not one shcool out there that would be favored over USC. Does it mean SC wins? No but no matter what any moron with his head up his ass says about SC and the Pac-10, we are the shit, we are the best, WE ARE SC!

Fuck off!
Nice melt, twatlips, but, hell, everyone knows that "melt" is your middle fuckin' name. So, you think that USC is the best team in the country? Could be. But here's why they won't get the chance to prove it......

They throttled Penn State yesterday in the Rose Bowl...props to them...but they lost to Oregon State, a team that Penn State kicked the ever lovin' shit out of earlier in the season. E.O.S. Had USC beaten OSU, they'd be in the title game.....but they didn't. Penn State's ass kickin' of OSU upfront should have told you that. USC couldn't afford to lose to ANY Pac 10 team and expect to be in the title picture, just as Penn State couldn't expect to stay in the hunt if they lost a Big 10 game because, as much as I hate to say it, the Big 10 is just as shitty as the Pac 10 this year.

You want some of the other conferences to play USC during the regular season? Okay, sounds good to me. How about a matchup in the Horseshoe or Happy Valley in mid November? Hell, you can even bring your well tanned gangsters to Iowa City for a 20 degree kickoff and we'll see how your warm weather winners like to compete when the weather eliminates half of their offensive game plan. Will that ever materialize? No, we know it won't.

Enjoy your Rose Bowl win and shut the fuck up......and try to understand that losing a conference game in a weak ass conference eliminates you from title contention....even if you think you have the best team in the country. Penn State accepted that fact and so should you and other Trojan fans. If both of you had run the table, what we saw yesterday would have been the title game played next week.

You and I both know that will never happen but only because of conference schedules and that nearly all OOC games are played in the beginning of the year. The USC/Notre Dame tilt in the middle of or back end of their schedules has been going on forever. I know, as should you, that SC has scheduled the likes of OSU and they'll be in the shoe next year. USC's OOC schedule has been pretty well documented, so save all of that crap. Please.

If any one (USC, PSU) is going to have a better argument than the other, it's SC. PSU lost in November. No team can recover from something like that when there are several teams with one loss.

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:08 pm

Papa Willie wrote:Let's see LSU play a bowl game that isn't a home game.

FTFY

GreginPG · Post by **GreginPG** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:14 pm

Mace wrote:
GreginPG wrote:[
You and I both know that will never happen but only because of conference schedules and that nearly all OOC games are played in the beginning of the year. The USC/Notre Dame tilt in the middle of or back end of their schedules has been going on forever. I know, as should you, that SC has scheduled the likes of OSU and they'll be in the shoe next year. USC's OOC schedule has been pretty well documented, so save all of that crap. Please.
Yeah, I know all of that, which is why I said it would never materialize. Try telling that to you moronic trojan brother, PISC.

If any one (USC, PSU) is going to have a better argument than the other, it's SC. PSU lost in November. No team can recover from something like that when there are several teams with one loss.
NEITHER team has a legit argument....that's the point. When your conference is down, you have to take care of business during the regular season and, if you don't, you have to shut up and take your medicine, and it doesn't really matter how good you perceive your team to be. USC has no legit bitch, and neither does PSU. Difference is that PSU is a class act and accepts the fact that they fucked up by losing to Iowa. USC fan, apparently not so much.

Well that's where I think you're wrong so we'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't care what conference you're in is doing, it does matter when you lose. PSU had to accept the fact that they fucked up because it was so late in the season. Same with Alabama. Florida and USC lost early enough in the season that they had enough time to recover. Unfortunately for USC they couldn't quite climb that mountain all the way back.

Having said all of that, I'm happy with the season we USC fans just witnessed. They are on an incredible run. I'm just so fucking tired of the knock on the Pac 10 and supposedly how "shitty" the conference is. Every conference has 2 or 3 good to great teams, with mediocrity in the middle and shit at the bottom. Some conferences are just a meatgrinder I guess and some just suck.

.m2 · Post by **.m2** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:40 pm

Mace wrote: NEITHER team has a legit argument....that's the point. When your conference is down, you have to take care of business during the regular season and, if you don't, you have to shut up and take your medicine,

You should clarify to everyone that you're talking about the BIG 10 (1-5 in the bowls).

You certainly aren't talking about the PAC 10 (5-0 in the bowls).

Mace wrote:and it doesn't really matter how good you perceive your team to be. USC has no legit bitch, .

Huh ???

EVERYONE of the top 5 teams other than Utah (which needed a miracle to beat Oregon State at HOME) after being down by 8 points with 2 minutes to go in the game.... have 1 loss each.

You keep talking about how $C losing to Oregon State (9-4) on the ROAD.... but, you don't say a word about Florida losing to Mississippi (8-4) at HOME ???

Why does Florida get a pass to the MNC in "your" World ?

Oregon State lost on the ROAD to a very good Penn State (11-2) team, while Mississippi lost to South Carolina (7-6) and Vanderbilt (7-6) teams at HOME.

Your hatred of anything and everything PAC 10.... is very transparent.

the truth

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:24 pm

Mace wrote: They throttled Penn State yesterday in the Rose Bowl...props to them...but they lost to Oregon State, a team that Penn State kicked the ever lovin' shit out of earlier in the season. E.O.S.

What a perfect fit the "EOS" is here.

You just used the Transitive Theory of CFB to make quantitative absolutes.

Therefore...

Your douchebaggery in violation Rule #1 of CFB Ranking pretty much renders your opinion (although you're attempting to make it quantitative, rather than subjective) moot.

E. O. S.

If we base conference/team rankings by fan interaction, then this debate is decided quickly... the PAC becomes FAR superior, as does USC...

Since they/we never fall into the traps of either the Transitive Theory or the "Ole Miss beat Florisa, which speaks to the toughness of the SEC, but when OS beats USC, it means the PAC10 sucks!"

Maybe you and your ilk's opinions wouldn't be so laughable if the didn't violate every tenet of basic fucking logic.

Hmmm.... the PAC didn't do so well OOC.

Nope, sure didn't. Then again, only two PAC teams rolled out the same starting QB from the previous season, and one of them went down for the season early on (then said team put on a show of futility for the ages), and the other one (Moavao) sucked donkey balls to begin with. (Of course, USC just plugged in the 12th string guy, who was a 5-star recruit, so they don't really count.)

The #2 team in the PAC played it's OOC schedule with its 4th string QB in the good times, ended up with the 5th stringer in when the hits kept coming.

Remind me again which major conference had this level of turnover at key positions again?

But hey, how bout that? Once replacement guys got the reps in, the PAC started to look like the PAC again.

And once the replacements got the reps and got in the groove, remind me what happened again?

Oh, that's right -- the beat every fucking OOC team thatwas put in front of them. Sure, we can't toss out the games played in September... I fully accept that... because if we did, then the "best conference" argument becomes a no-fucking-brainer.

I know the conference battle is completely subjective (outside of the computer rankings), and we all have a lot of fun with it this time of year (which is what it's all about... RACK everyone here), but damn...

Some of you have this weird, irrational hatred of all things West Coast, and it becomes quite obvious in this arena.

Some of y'all's really need to take your fucking blinders off. You seem to let your opinions of the CoC (you remember what that stands for, right?) be swayed simply by the likes of M2 and Toejam. While I could certainly see how that alone could make you root for disease, famine, and cancer before you pulled for the PAC, that mindset does you a disservice...

Despite how contemptable their postings may be at times, despite the strange penchant you have for hating all things West Coast...

at the end of the day, we actually play some damn fine fucking football 'round these parts. All's I ask is that you judge us fairly, and give us a chance... and I realize it's much easier for us Proper Coasters to follow the Least Coast conferences that it is for Eastern Time Zone dweelers to follow the PAC... but if you actually allow freaking time zones to influence your opinion of teams, rather than what happens on the field, then I feel for you. But I can get up on Saturday mornings, and there's at least one SEC game on. Can often catch another in the afternoon. Much harder to catch PAC games in the Eastern Time Zone, from what I understand. But just because they're on late at night, it doesn't diminish the quality of play, and it boggles my mind that otherwise-rational fans allow it to influence them...

But I guess it's still a lot more rational argument than the others you guys roll out.

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.m2 · Post by **.m2** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:31 pm

Mace wrote:
Your hatred of anything and everything PAC 10.... is very transparent.

Psst.....Ole Miss is a better team than Oregon State....

Huh ?

There's a reason you live in Iowa and it's becoming quite evident.

Oregon State has loses to #8 Penn State and #4 Utah (barely) all on the ROAD.

Mississippi has loses to Vandy (7-6) and South Carolina (7-6) all at HOME... and we know how good South Carolina is.

Hell, even a shit team like Iowa beat the Gamecocks.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:56 pm

.m2 wrote:Oregon State has loses to #8 Penn State and #4 Utah (barely) all on the ROAD.

Mississippi has loses to Vandy (7-6) and South Carolina (7-6) all at HOME... and we know how good South Carolina is.

Hell, even a shit team like Iowa beat the Gamecocks.

Mace -- when M2 starts clowning your "logic," it's time to shut up...

That should go for every one of us on this forum-btw.

Remember Mace, YOU made the rules here -- the Transitive Theory is the end all, be all.

South Carolina beat Ole Miss (in their house). Iowa just beat SC.

Now Mace, since we're discussing Macenology here, I'm sure you can tell us what this means, according to the Transitive Theory of Mace...

RIGHT?

If you're struggling with the math, I'll help you out...

It means YHKYOA.

More than once here.

You'd be well served to start talking only out of one side of your mouth at a time.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:40 am

[quote="Mace"]Unfortunately for you morons, the BCS pollsters and computers reflect what I've been saying and THAT is what I've been trying to tell you. The Pac 10 gets no love from them

So you demonstrate east coast bias exists...therefore it means credibility?

A million flies love dogshit...do you want to have some too?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:18 am

Mace wrote:USC lost to a shit team (OSU)

Let's make a deal, tough guy.

Put your nic where your keyboard is.

If OS finishes outside the Top 25 of the BCS final standings, I leave this board (T1B) for good.

If they crack the top 25, you're gone... forever. And your shitty trolls.

Deal?

I'm more than game... since I'm right, and you're wrong... making me quite willing to wager anything you wish, and have you shut your LYING hole.

Deal? C'mon, MAN UP, Motormouth. Since you won't shut the ever living fuck up regardless how badly your STUPID fucking argument gets beat down, and even have the gall to take a condescending attitude about it...

Put up or shut up, bitch.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:29 pm

DON'T BE DEATHMATCHING ON MY STOOP!!!

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:04 pm

.m2 wrote:
TheJON wrote:What a load of crap? You tout that 5-0 bowl record as proving the Pac-10 is the best conference in the country yet you seemed to forget to mention the Mountain West's record agains the Pac-10 this year. Hmm.....that's odd.

I think based on your criteria you'd have to say the Mountain West is the best conference in the country.

Excuses.

From a guy whose conference is now 1-5 in bowl games.

Pssst.... The Mountain West is 2-2 in bowl games this year.

With one of their bowl wins coming from a team (Colorado State).... that lost to Cal... 42-7.

the truth

Excuses? For what? Are you dumb? You think this is me trying to defend the Big-10? If so, you're a complete fucking dolt. The Big-10 sucks. I've been saying it all year. So I'm not sure what excuses I'm making here. Nice try though cuntrag.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:22 pm

in the interest of fairness, i'd also like to remind the board that Jon *did* pick Utah to beat Michigan to open the year. lot of teams beat Um but a sco'bode for Jon.

since, after reading homer boards last night and this AM, it's clear that Utah is the greatest team of all-time while 48 hours ago it was USC....because Pete Carroll said so.

god bless the american sportsfan, hardy with conviction and the rigor of self-education.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:23 pm

Mace wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:
Mace wrote:USC lost to a shit team (OSU)

Let's make a deal, tough guy.

Put your nic where your keyboard is.

If OS finishes outside the Top 25 of the BCS final standings, I leave this board (T1B) for good.

If they crack the top 25, you're gone... forever. And your shitty trolls.

Deal?

I'm more than game... since I'm right, and you're wrong... making me quite willing to wager anything you wish, and have you shut your LYING hole.

Deal? C'mon, MAN UP, Motormouth. Since you won't shut the ever living fuck up regardless how badly your STUPID fucking argument gets beat down, and even have the gall to take a condescending attitude about it...

Put up or shut up, bitch.
Nice melt, you ignorant fucking cunt. Did PISC steal your password? You might as well sit down and have another drink, dumbfuck, 'cause I'm not going anywhere and I'm not going to shut up. Don't like it when someone points out that Pac 10 is a shit fucking conference this year? Tough shit. The Big 10 is equally shitty and the only real difference is that the best team in your conference is a much better team than the best team in my conference. IF your conference was worth a shit, USC might have been able to climb back into the NC game following their loss to OSU but, because they didn't have any remaining opponents that were worth a shit, they couldn't.....or did you think that those wins over Washington, Washington St., Stanford, and Notre Dame would be enough to vault them into the #2 spot in the rankings?

It wasn't me that kept USC out of the NC game, dumbfuck, it was the pollsters and the computers who obviously determined that a conference loss in the SEC is far less damaging than a conference loss in the Pac 10 or the Big 10, coupled with the fact that Florida jumped back into the mix when they beat an undefeated and #1 ranked team in their conference championship (yeah, I know that I explained that previously but you were apparentely too fucking stupid to understand). Too damn bad if you don't like someone pointing out why they, not me, left USC ranked too low to qualify for the big game and that the reason is because the Pac 10 got the same lack of respect as the Big 10...and deservedly so. That's not saying that USC might not be the best team in the country but, like Penn State, they had to run the table to qualify for the big game. They didn't.

You're "right"? Don't think so, twattie, 'cause I'm pretty damn sure that USC isn't going to the NC game....and I've now explained the why to you and all of the other Pac 10 hacks who are so quick to display meltage when someone hits their hot buttons.....and all I had to do was call OSU a "shit team" to get the predicted reaction. It's always been easy to get you morons to melt and it's nice to see that some things never change and that dumbfucks like you remain all too predictable.

You don't buy my reasons for the BCS leaving USC out in the cold? Okay, mensa, give me your reason....something other than the "east coast bias" routine. I'd suggest that you go with "the SEC gets more respect from the pollsters than they deserve" card because then you might actually have a legitimate point.....albeit one that's not going to change in the eyes of the pollsters or the computer rankings. Wanna go with the "we need a playoff" angle? I'd agree but, again, that probably ain't gonna happen either. Bottom line, dumbfuck, is that teams in a conference that's perceived as weak (or shitty) by the powers that be are stuck behind the 8 ball...whether you like it or not. Teams like Utah and Boise State (even with their "undersized linemen") knocking off SEC and Big 12 teams in the bowl season is probably the only thing that will bring about a change in attitude.

Of course OSU will end up in the top 25, you ignorant twat, but so will a number of other lesser 9 win teams like Iowa. Predicting that is hardly rocket science, dumbfuck. You know, you should probably stick to topics pertaining to your expertise, dumbass, like square deck screws and alcoholism, and get back to us when you sober up or, better yet, when anyone in the Pac 10 other than USC becomes relevant in college football.

Oh, and you accusing someone of of being a liar and having a "condescending attitude" is...well, that's just precious.

Were your parents related? You have an impenetrable blind spot where logic cannot be processed...and you are way to eager to demonstrate your handicap in front of everyone.

Your whole (attempt) in making an argument is based on the beauty contest - pollsters and computers. As we all have lamented, there will NEVER be anything but a mythical champion due to no playoff. So for you to drone on moronically that such and such team is bad, another team is great - solely because some pollster (that could easily be as obtuse as yourself) says so is nothing but folly.

If publicly displaying an ability to KYOA is what flips your skirt, type away.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:28 pm

King Crimson wrote:in the interest of fairness, i'd also like to remind the board that Jon *did* pick Utah to beat Michigan to open the year. lot of teams beat Um but a sco'bode for Jon.

since, after reading homer boards last night and this AM, it's clear that Utah is the greatest team of all-time while 48 hours ago it was USC....because Pete Carroll said so.

god bless the american sportsfan, hardy with conviction and the rigor of self-education.

ESPN radio talking head (Eric Supercillious, maybe?) this morning was saying that Utah was not on a par with any SEC program, not even Vandy.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:39 pm

You've nothing to apologize for, Mace.

It's pretty damn obvious PAC 10 fans not named mtool or toejam have been sitting back all year sucking on their knuckles, quietly enduring the poisonous barbs thrown about how their entire conference sucks.

Now that many of the Bowl games have tended to validate their supposedly shit conference, whilst also indicting the supposedly superior SEC and Big XII, it's quite natural that they'd lash out with fury and try to make up for some of that prior frustration.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:39 pm

Mace wrote:Okay, what started out as me trying to have a little fun at the expense of Pac 10 fan has pretty much gotten out of hand with dumbshittery and insults which, imo, isn't what this CFB forum is, or should be, about. My bad.

That said, why is it that the Pac 10 and Big 10 are the ugly ducklings in the "beauty contest"? I think that tag is deserved by both conferences and it's easy to justify why the TWO loss SEC and Big 12 teams are playing for the title and, aside from calling some decent teams "shit teams", I don't feel that anything I've said is out of line in that regard. I don't recall saying that any team was a "great team", Seer, and certainly not based on the polls. Show me a link where I've said that. In fact, I've repeatedly discounted the validity of the polls but, like the weather, have realized you can't change the system....at least not this year.

Anyway, my apologies to those I've somehow offended, intentionally or otherwise (except for dins...he can still suck my dick).

According to the polls, So. Carolina AND Alabama lost.....

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:42 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
King Crimson wrote:in the interest of fairness, i'd also like to remind the board that Jon *did* pick Utah to beat Michigan to open the year. lot of teams beat Um but a sco'bode for Jon.

since, after reading homer boards last night and this AM, it's clear that Utah is the greatest team of all-time while 48 hours ago it was USC....because Pete Carroll said so.

god bless the american sportsfan, hardy with conviction and the rigor of self-education.
ESPN radio talking head (Eric Supercillious, maybe?) this morning was saying that Utah was not on a par with any SEC program, not even Vandy.

that's kind of silly; but, as the board spokes-person for the oft-pissed on Vanderbilt Commodores, this ain't the year to whizz on Vandy. first bowl win since 1950-something. try Mississippi State.

i'd rather swallow a live toad or eat shards of glass than listen to ESPN radio, especially Jason Smith (the dumbest person alive). Smith made me nostalgic for Todd Wright. and I despised Todd Wright and his stories about himself...."i always wear a hockey sweater to shows in Vegas, like the Killers, because it sends a message" (not one shred of irony, the guy believes that).

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:44 pm

Goober McTuber wrote: ESPN radio talking head (Eric Supercillious, maybe?) this morning was saying that Utah was not on a par with any SEC program, not even Vandy.

Which is utter horseshit. I hadn't watched Utah until last night. What an eye opener. That team could go toe to toe with any other.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:07 pm

First off...

Care to point out where at any point I've said that USC should be playing in the championship game?

Go ahead and link me up there, buddy.

Again, I'll leave the light on for you. Better have packed lunch, dinner, and a midnight snack while you look.

While I may be of that very opinion, that opinion was only truly cemented last night, and at this point...

we all have wonderful fucking hindsight, don't we? Wouldn't it be just aces if we could decide who should truly play for the MNC after the bowls are played?

Mace wrote:IF your conference was worth a shit, USC might have been able to climb back into the NC game following their loss to OSU but, because they didn't have any remaining opponents that were worth a shit, they couldn't.....or did you think that those wins over Washington, Washington St., Stanford, and Notre Dame would be enough to vault them into the #2 spot in the rankings?

Why do you continue to make false statements to back up your false statements? Do you really think that's helping you here?

Uhm, I'll help you out, since you're either mired in complete ignorance, or you're addicted to lying...

After the loss to OS (not "OSU"... "OS"), who did USC beat in their very next game?

I'll help you out -- it was a team that could quite possibly crack the top 10 in the BCS standings.

Oh, wait... let me guess... a team that finishes top 10 still qualifies as a "shit team" if either A) they play in the PAC10, or B) it supports Mace's asinine argument.

It wasn't me that kept USC out of the NC game, dumbfuck, it was the pollsters and the computers

Mace: "Pollsters computers pollsters computers pollsters computers..."

OK, we've established your dedication to the pollsters and computers... we get it. And to an extent, I agree.

Ohhhhhh, but what do we have here? Oh, it's those same computers and pollsters that blow your "shit team" argument right out of the water.

Fucking hilarious you continue to cite that which clowns you.

You're "right"? Don't think so, twattie, 'cause I'm pretty damn sure that USC isn't going to the NC game

Ahhh, the age old "I've made a fool out of myself, so I'll try and attribute false quotes to the other guy."

Let's review, shall we?

Dinsdale wrote:If OS finishes outside the Top 25 of the BCS final standings, I leave this board (T1B) for good.

If they crack the top 25, you're gone... forever. And your shitty trolls.

Deal?

I'm more than game... since I'm right, and you're wrong.

Now, Liar...

Where in my post (the one that proposes a wager that you ran from like an SEC AD runs from the United Airlines ticket window) do I mention "USC" or "NC game"?

Why don't you go ahead and highlight those words for me?

But once we look past the flagrant LYING, it gets even better.

After telling lie after lie, to try and spin out of previous lies, and getting called out (by multiple people), what's a messageboard retard to do?

Man up?

Admit his mistakes?

Let the pollsters and computers that he's cited so many times do the talking?

Oh, HELL NO!

That would be out of character for a tard.

Nope... a true tard goes with...

are you ready for it?

It's an oldie, but a not-so-goodie...

He goes with the...

"I WAS TROLLING YOU!!! BODE ME!!!!!"

and all I had to do was call OSU a "shit team" to get the predicted reaction. It's always been easy to get you morons to melt and it's nice to see that some things never change and that dumbfucks like you remain all too predictable.

But you can't just stop at "I was trolling you," can you? Nope... you even dug deeeeeep down into the Tard Handbook, and...

and this one is almost mind-bogglingly hard to digest...

You claimed OTHERS were "predictable" while rolling out the "I was trolling you" defense.

Yeah, I probably wouldn't have believed it, if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.

After the out-and-out falsehoods you're spouted here, you left yourself absolutely nowhere to go EXCEPT "I was trolling."

Frankly, it was too predictable.

A word of sincere advice, Mace -- the next time you log on to a messageboard and post...

Act like you've done it before.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:13 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:Utah was not on a par with any SEC program, not even Vandy.

I agree with this -- they're not on par with Vandy, or any other Gravy Ladle Conference team...

Utah actually plays BCS teams OOC.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:16 pm

i'm not sure the gravy ladle thing is going to catch on (or is working so hot)....but DAMMIT MAN--slaps table with fist--can we quit ripping on Vandy?!?

the Commies buttfucked BC in the mouth. :D

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:22 pm

King Crimson wrote:i'm not sure the gravy ladle thing is going to catch on (or is working so hot)

Work with me, bro.

"Meatgrinder" is much too powerful a kitchen appliance to describe this lot.

They definitely ladle up the gravy the Herbstreits offer them so willingly. Last year's MNC game pretty much solidified that.

BTW-if the SEC is the "Meatgrinder," wouldn't that make the Mountain West the "Coffee Grinder"?

Sorry, tasteless joke.

And since I root for Team Anyone But BC, I'm down with the Commies, for now. Nice to see them getting on track... but then again, they play in a weak conference* that gets 18 bowl bids, so they should be getting to a bowl every year.

* -- you taking notes, Mace? I'll show you how it's done.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:12 pm

Well said Mace! Rack!

With apologies to S. Dan...

Patrons of the Board
Luckless PAC Con-fer-ence
You know he's out there
With booze-fueled rage and his Macintosh

"You are such a liar!"
"Mace, dawg, surrender"
An asinine answer
But a man of his mind will post anything

Chorus
He's an immigrant's son
And he'll fool you all, each one
Well they crossed his home teams back in Oregon
And his takes are all jive
Got a case of cold Beast Light
And he will hold out here all night
Yes, they crossed his home teams back in Oregon
And his takes are all jive

Can you read his feeble cry
Screams of "liar" met with laughter
No guts found inside
A drug-addled bum from the Interweb
Where no rea-son is shining
No synapsis flashing
We know that he's been run
We know all at once he's a sham

Chorus
He's an immigrant's son
And he'll fool you all, each one
Well they crossed his home teams back in Oregon
And his takes are all jive
Got a case that just ain't right
And he will argue here all night
Yes, they crossed his home teams back in Oregon
And his takes are all jive

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:41 pm

Mace wrote:Was the point of your drunken bet about whether Oregon State finishes in the top 25? Was that it? Well, dumbfuck, show me where I said they wouldn't finish in the top 25....can you?

Fist off... it was a "dry day" for me when I posted that. Yup, another swing and a miss.

But somehow claiming a top-20-to-25-BCS-team-to-be is a "shit team," stated ad nauseum, somehow gives you trollbode?

That's how you're trying to recover your cred here?

Really?

That's really where you're going here?

Apparently, your years on these boards isn't enough to overcome your feeble mind. I've had the honor with rolling with some of the greatest trollers any of these boards have ever seen (who shall remain nameless, but rest assured their trolling brilliance is still felt quite strongly to this day, even though their primary nics are distant memories)...

and you, sir, are no troller. Hell, you sign your shit troll posts with your own fucking name. To use a Macism...

EOS.

But in my years of hanging with the trolling-addicts on these forums, the Great Ones all shared one common trait... they never once came after-the-fact and claimed trollBODE.

Not once, in hundreds of instances. Their BODE spoke for itself. Here's another hint for you -- that whole "Claim it, and it will come" was facetious. No one ever intended for you to adopt it as a mantra.

Your whole "shit team" debacle fell apart before your very eyes, as more and more evidence of your stupidity piled up. It was thoroughly debunked. Then, and only then, did you start spinning with the "I was trolling" bit. I expect as much from At Least I'm Not Him... and few others. I guess my expectations of this place are too high. Never once has a real troller used it as an excuse to backtrack on the statements he made... those people have their ducks in a row before they start down that road... unlike yourself, who ended up falling back on "HA! I trolled you!"

That ain't the way it works, bud... and you know it.

When called out on your "troll attempt," you offered up falsehoods and the Transitive Theory. Beyond that... nada. Didn't even make an attempt at anything beyond that.

But here's what you really seem to be missing out on -- I freaking lHATE Oregon State with a passion. That's the enemy, save for two occasions -- when they play a bowl, and when they play Washington. You really wouldn't have had to make much of a case for a "shit team" to get me to join the pile-on... I love that shit. The local/regional sports board pretty much consist of loud-mouthed Beaver Believers (yeah, that's actually what they call themselves) pretty much telling the world how Oklahoma, Nebraska, and ND combined don't have the winning-tradition that OS does... no, seriously. And that's what I, as a Ducks fan, put up with daily. So really, it takes so very little to get me to engage in a Beavers pile-on, it's almost automatic.

That said... your argument was so incredibly fucking feeble, I'm actually taking up those peoples' cause... because you really did suck that badly.

The only bright spot I see for you here is that the seemingly intelligent, insightful boy you miraculously raised wasn't around to wutness Daddy plungering himself for the ages.

So, why don't we just let it ride... or you can try and "troll" me and the PAC10 people here "yet again" by reconciling "shit team" with a top-20-25 BCS finish... go right ahead.

You truly have my sympathy on your recent problems with your physical health. But the mental problems they seemed to have spawned... you're on your own with those.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:02 pm

Mace wrote:But what, I ask once again, was the so-called "bet" all about? You know, the "deathmatch" thing? What exactly was it that you were claiming to be "right" about?

Dinsdale wrote:If OS finishes outside the Top 25 of the BCS final standings, I leave this board (T1B) for good.

If they crack the top 25, you're gone... forever. And your shitty trolls.

Is it the multi-syllabic words that are throwing you off? The advanced punctuation, like ellipses and parentheses?

Help me help YOU, Mace.

This is no longer about the PAC or anything else -- it's become about how someone so feebleminded can hold a job or even get a computer to boot up all by himself.

The "ask once again" part is pretty fucking funny... since it's YOU who sidestepped the issue, and is avoiding it like the plague. Every time you "ask once again," I've reposted the question. It's YOU who has failed to answer it.

But tell me which part of that plain English you're struggling with, and I'll do my best to clear it up for you, and help explain to you why your own statements make you a tard, what with the arguing with yourself about "shit teams" and whatnot.

And yes... I DO realize that whichever route you take here besides avoiding my question requires you to admit you're wrong. And yes, that was quite by design. But the beauty of it was that I didn't even have to create a false-dilemma to do so... nope, I'm just taking advantage of the corner you've painted yourself so deeply into.

So, top-25 BCS teams qualify as "shit teams"...

YES OR NO?

Since you seem to struggle badly in these situations, I'll again help -- "yes or no" questions have two acceptable answers -- "yes" or "no." Seems a pretty simple request that you answer a very simple yes or no question, since it's directly related to earlier statements you made.

Of course, it doesn't really matter wwhich way you go, does it? You either admit to making false statements (which you're already played the "trolling" card, so put it back on the bottom of the deck, where it belongs), or admitting that your statements are asinine, and completely against the grain of... well, the entire CFB world.

But again, it wasn't me who painted you into a corner -- the blame for that falls squarely on you. I was just handing you the paintbrush to do it.

More sincere advice -- the correct order-of-operations is: Brain, and THEN keyboard... Brain, THEN keyboard. Maybe you should put a little post-it note on your monitor with those words on it, to help you avoid situations like this in the future.

Or, you could just do what Mace does oh-so predictably every fucking time he's called out in any forum -- change the subject, attribute false statements to others, then claim "BODE" in another thread... it's your trademark.

My wager still stands-btw... but since you'll lose it regardless, I can see you trying these false claims of comprehension problems and your numerous changes to the subject. I'll look forward to your continued avoidance of both my wager, and the VERY simple yes or no question I asked... it's what you do... not that I blame you, I suppose, since backing up your retarded statements is a pretty fucking tall order for anyone, much less someone who is jealous of Shrubber's spine.

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan · Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:43 am

I'd just like to point out for the record that the Big XII North is 3-0 in bowl games, while the South currently sits at 0-2. Even if they win out, they'll just be 2-2. I think this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the North has been underrated all season and is clearly a superior division to the South.