well at least----

[poptart]

If the deficit is serious, why is it B.O.'s solution to pile a HELLUVA lot more onto it?

[Left Seater]

PSU,

Is this situation all President Hussein's fault? Of course not. Does W have a huge hand in this mess? Of course. Did the problems start before W? Yep, Clinton helped us down this road.

Time will tell if President Hussein is lying or not. Everyone in the office prior to him has lied at some point, so it is a pretty good bet that he will lie to us too. He likely has already, so watch out on proclaiming him to be sitting at the right hand of Jesus when it comes to the truth.

You are correct in that he has only been in office a few short days, but that has been long enough to make some horrible decisions already.

[PSUFAN]

If the deficit is serious, why is it B.O.'s solution to pile a HELLUVA lot more onto it?

Uhh...errr....ummmm.

1. wait - so the deficit ISN'T serious, pop?

2. the funny thing is, the InterHorn is still warm with the well-orchestrated strains of deficit spending justification symphonies penned on behalf of your boy W - and Reagan. Spending trillions on a few aircraft carriers, apparently, is far more conservative than spending it to shore up our economy.

[Tom In VA]

Spending trillions on a few aircraft carriers, apparently, is far more conservative than spending it to shore up our economy.

Defense spending helped pull us out of the Great Depression and apparently the Carter Administration's Recession.

Plus, in today's day in age, our name is mud when it comes to investment, our manufacturing sector cannot compete with countries not buying into the Global Warming scam (China, India),

Seems about the only thing we have to offer the world is "service" and some of that "service" requires the use of our military.

[War Wagon]

By the way, let's remember this moment...the economy seems to be in an awful place.

Seems?

I guess you haven't lost your job or been laid off. In your ivory tower, maybe this hasn't affected you at all... yet. When your neighbor loses his job, it's a recession. When YOU lose YOUR job, it's a depression.

We're asked by you believe that it's all Obama's fault. If things rebound in a year or two, that will HAVE to be a result of Obama's policies, from your perspective...right?

You're missing the point entirely. I never said it was all Obama's fault or that Bush wasn't responsible for getting us into this mess in the first place.

But Obama was supposed to be the "savior"... that according to all who voted for him and literally worship the ground he walks on. He was supposed to make it better and all he's done is make it worse. Much worse. If he were all that and a bag of chips, he could at least have slowed the slide, but he hasn't and that's a fact.

And yes, of course, someday the markets will rebound. They always do. The question is when. But it won't be because of anything Obama has done. It'll be despite him. I can't wait one or two years. I can't wait one or two weeks. My job of almost 26 years is hanging by a thread right now, today.

[LTS TRN 2]

It won't take long to find how sadly and tragically mistaken you really are.

Psssssssst. You've never been right about anything.

I'm already right about this. This is the single most corrupt, incompetent administration in US history. There isn't even close second. How many cabinet appointees and deputy secretaries have been forced to or have voluntarily withdrawn their appointments? I believe the number is 15...and counting.

How many trillions of dollars has this stupid n...igger burned through in the first month of office? How many more trillions is he proposing to burn through in the next few months?

How many allies and foriegn dignitaries has this amateur administration insulted with their bumper sticker slogan diplomacy? These people an absolute fucking embarassment.

babs, the "corruption" you're citing amounts to tiny oversights in tax write-offs, etc. How can this compare to the Reagan administration as it roared by the old record (of resignations, indictments, etc.) set by Nixon's crew. The Reagan gang was so deep into actual serious crimes that huge senate investigations were launched--and astonishing crime schemes were revealed--start with Ollie North and introducing crack cocaine into America's urban areas, etc. But, actually count the bodies. You'll find that Reagan basically had an ENTIRE turnover of his administration because they were all forced out.

As for the (unelected, twice) Chimp ' Cheney show, the forced walkaways as well as the actual convictions and pending investigations would certainly make the Gipper proud.

But, sticking with the senile fake cowboy, here's a breakdown of the prominent criminal activity verified within the Reagan administration:

By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever."

1. James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior was indicted on 41 felony counts for using connections at the Department of Housing and Urban Development to help his private clients seek federal funds for housing projects in Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Watt conceded that he had received $500,000 from clients who were granted very favorable housing contracts after he had intervened on their behalf. In testifying before a House committee Watt said: "That's what they offered and it sounded like a lot of money to me, and we settled on it." Watt was eventually sentenced to five years in prison and 500 hours of community service.
2. Although not convicted, Edwin Meese III, resigned as Reagan's Attorney General after having been the subject of investigations by the United States Office of the Independent Counsel on two occasions (Wedtech and Iran-Contra), during the 3 short years he was in office.
3. E. Bob Wallach, close friend and law classmate of Attorney General Edwin Meese, was sentenced to six years in prison and fined $250,000 in connection with the Wedtech influence-peddling scandal.
4. Lyn Nofziger – Convicted on charges of illegal lobbying of White House in Wedtech scandal.
5. Michael Deaver received three years' probation and was fined one hundred thousand dollars after being convicted for lying to a congressional subcommittee and a federal grand jury about his lobbying activities after leaving the White House.
6. The Iran-Contra scandal. In June, 1984, at a National Security Council meeting, CIA Director Casey urged President Reagan to seek third-party aid for the Nicaraguan contras. Secretary of State Schultz warned that it would be an "impeachable offense" if the U.S. government acted as conduit for such secret funding. But that didn't stop them. That same day, Oliver North was seeking third-party aid for the contras. But Reagan, the "teflon President" avoided serious charges or impeachment.
7. Casper Weinberger was Secretary of Defense during Iran-Contra. In June 1992 he was indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of concealing from congressional investigators and prosecutors thousands of pages of his handwritten notes. The personal memoirs taken during high level meetings, detailed events in 1985 and 1986 involving the Iran-Contra affair. Weinberger claimed he was being unfairly prosecuted because he would not provide information incriminating Ronald Reagan. Weinberger was scheduled to go on trial January 5, 1993, where the contents of his notes would have come to light and may have implicated other, unindicted conspirators. While Weinberger was never directly linked to the covert operations phase of the Iran-Contra affair, he is believed to have been involved in the cover-up of the ensuing scandal. According to Special Prosecutor Lawrence Walsh, Weinberger's notes contain evidence of a conspiracy among the highest ranking Reagan Administration officials to lie to congress and the American public. Some of the notes are believed to have evidence against then Vice-President George Bush who pardoned Weinberger to keep him from going to trial.
8. Raymond Donovan, Secretary of Labor indicted for defrauding the New York City Transit Authority of $7.4. million.
{ Republicans will point out that Donovan was acquitted. And that really matters in Donovan's case, because he was a Republican. But it didn't matter for Clinton or any of his cabinet, most all of whom were acquitted, because they were Democrats!}
9. Elliott Abrams was appointed by President Reagan in 1985 to head the State Department's Latin American Bureau. He was closely linked with ex-White House aide Lt. Col. Oliver North's covert movement to aid the Contras. Working for North, Abrams coordinated inter-agency support for the contras and helped solicit illegal funding from foreign powers as well as domestic contributors. Abrams agreed to cooperate with Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges reduced to misdemeanors. He was sentenced in 1991 to two years probation and 100 hours of community service but was pardoned by President George Bush.
10. Robert C. McFarlane was appointed Ronald Reagan's National Security Advisor in October 1983 and become well-known as a champion of the MX missile program in his role as White House liaison to congress. In 1984, Mc Farlane initiated the review of U.S. policy towards Iran that led directly to the arms for hostages deal. He also supervised early National Security Council efforts to support the Contras. Shortly after the Iran-Contra scandal was revealed in early 1987, McFarlane took an overdose of the tranquilizer Valium in an attempt to end his life. In his own words: "What really drove me to despair was a sense of having failed the country." McFarlane pled guilty to four misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service. He was also fined $20,000. He received a blanket pardon from President George Bush.
11. Oliver North – Convicted of falsifying and destroying documents, accepting an illegal gratuity, and aiding and abetting the obstruction of Congress. Conviction overturned on appeal due to legal technicalities.
12. John Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, – guilty of five criminal counts involving conspiracy to mislead Congress, obstructing congressional inquiries, lying to lawmakers, used "high national security" to mask deceit and wrong-doing.
13. Richard Secord pleaded guilty to a felony charge of lying to Congress over Iran-Contra.
14. Alan D. Fiers was the Chief of the Central Intelligence Agency's Central American Task Force. Fiers pled guilty in 1991 to two counts of withholding information from congress about Oliver North's activities and the diversion of Iran arms sale money to aid the Contras. He was sentenced to one year of probation and 100 hours of community service. Fiers agreed to cooperate with prosecutors in exchange for having his felonies reduced to misdemeanors and his testimony gave a boost to the long standing criminal investigation of Lawrence Walsh, Special Prosecutor. Fiers testified that he and three CIA colleagues knew by mid-1986 that profits from the TOW and HAWK missile sales to Iran were being diverted to the Contras months before it became public knowledge. Alan Fiers received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President Bush.
15. Clair George was Chief of the CIA's Division of Covert Operations under President Reagan. In August 1992 a hung jury led U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth to declare a mistrial in the case of Clair George who was accused of concealing from Congress his knowledge of the Iran-Contra affair. George had been named by Alan Fiers when Fiers turned state's evidence for Lawrence Walsh's investigation. In a second trial on charges of perjury, false statements and obstruction of justice, George was convicted of lying to two congressional committees in 1986. George faced a maximum five year federal prison sentence and a $20,000 fine for each of the two convictions. Jurors cleared George of five other charges including two counts of lying to a federal grand jury. Those charges would have carried a mandatory 10 months in prison upon conviction. Clair George received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President George Bush.
16. Duane R. (Dewey) Clarridge was head of the CIA's Western European Division under President Reagan. He was indicted on November 29, 1991 for lying to congress and to the Tower Commission that investigated Iran- Contra. Clarridge was charged with five counts of perjury and two counts of making false statements for covering up his knowledge of a November 25, 1985 shipment of HAWK missiles to Iran. Clarridge was also suspected of diverting to the Contras weapons that were originally intended for the Afghan mujahaddeen guerrillas. Clarridge received a blanket pardon for his crimes on Christmas Eve 1992 from President George Bush.
17. Environmental Protection Agency's favoritism toward polluters. Assistant administrator unduly influenced by chemical industry lobbyists. Another administrator resigned after pressuring employees to tone down a critical report on a chemical company accused of illegal pollution in Michigan. The deputy chief of federal activities was accused of compiling an interagency "hit" or "enemies" list, like those kept in the Nixon Watergate period, singling out career employees to be hired, fired or promoted according to political beliefs.
18. Anne Gorscuh Burford resigned amid accusations she politically manipulated the Superfund money.
19. Rita Lavelle was fired after accusing a senior EPA official of "systematically alienating the business community." She was later indicted, tried and convicted of lying to Congress and served three months of a six-month prison sentence. After an extensive investigation, in August 1984, a House of Representatives subcommittee concluded that top-level EPA appointees by Reagan for three years "violated their public trust by disregarding the public health and the environment, manipulating the Superfund program for political purposes, engaging in unethical conduct and participating in other abuses.".
20. Neglected nuclear safety. A critical situation involving nuclear safety had been allowed to develop during the Reagan era. Immense sums, estimated at 200 billion or more, would be required in the 1990s to replace and make safe America's neglected, aging, deteriorating, and dangerous nuclear facilities.
21. Savings & Loan Bail-out. Hundreds of billions of dollars were needed to bail out savings and loan institutions that either had failed during the deregulation frenzy of the eighties or were in danger of bankruptcy.
22. Reckless airline deregulation. Deregulation of airline industry took too broad a sweep, endangering public safety.
Additionally:
23. Richard Allen, National Security adviser resigned amid controversy over an honorarium he received for arranging an interview with Nancy Reagan.
24. Richard Beggs, chief administrator at NASA was indicted for defrauding the government while an executive at General Dynamics.
25. Guy Flake, Deputy Secretary of Commerce, resigned after allegations of a conflict of interest in contract negotiations.
26. Louis Glutfrida, Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency resigned amid allegations of misuses of government property.
27. Edwin Gray, Chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank was charged with illegally repaying himself and his wife $26,000 in travel costs.
28. Max Hugel, CIA chief of covert operations who resigned after allegations of fraudulent financial dealings.
29. Carlos Campbell, Assistant Secretary of Commerce resigned over charges of awarding federal grants to his personal friends' firms.
30. John Fedders, chief of enforcement for the Securities and Exchange Commission resigned over charges of beating his wife.
31. Arthur Hayes, Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration resigned over illegal travel reimbursements.
32. J. Lynn Helms, chief of the Federal Aviation Administration resigned over a grand jury investigation of illegal business activities.
33. Marjory Mecklenburg, Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Resources resigned over irregularities on her travel vouchers.
34. Robert Nimmo, head of the Veterans Administration resigned when a report criticized him for improper use of government funds.
35. J. William Petro, U.S. Attorney fired and fined for tipping off an acquaintance about a forthcoming Grand Jury investigation.
36. Thomas C. Reed, White House counselor and National Security Council adviser resigned and paid a $427,000 fine for stock market insider trading.
37. Emanuel Savas, Assistant Secretary of HUD resigned over assigning staff members to work on government time on a book that guilty to expense account fraud and accepting kickbacks on government contracts.
38. Charles Wick, Director of the U.S. Information Agency investigated for taping conversations with public officials without their approval.
As of March 27, 2007, it was only an indictment, but Bloomberg News was reporting that David Stockman, President Reagan's budget director, was indicted on charges of defrauding investors and banks of $1.6 billion while chairman of Collins & Aikman Corp., an auto parts maker that collapsed days after he quit.

A couple of major league criminals

[War Wagon]

BTW...

Therefore...



And lets throw in federal funding for embryonic stem cell research while we're at it.

[poptart]

1. wait - so the deficit ISN'T serious, pop?

2. the funny thing is, the InterHorn is still warm with the well-orchestrated strains of deficit spending justification symphonies penned on behalf of your boy W - and Reagan. Spending trillions on a few aircraft carriers, apparently, is far more conservative than spending it to shore up our economy.

1. ummm ... I shoot straight.
The deficit is horrible for us.
YOUR dipshit in charge talks out of both sides of his mouth, claiming the deficit is very bad, while putting it on steroids.


2. W wasn't my boy.
A truly disgraceful president, but likely not as dumb as the dumbfuck currently keeping the seat warm.

[PSUFAN]

But Obama was supposed to be the "savior"... that according to all who voted for him and literally worship the ground he walks on.

I voted for Obama, but I didn't have expectations of miracle-working. Like I keep saying, I'm just happy that we have a POTUS that isn't habitually lying to us or just painful dumb. It's been a looong 24 years.

[Moving Sale]

By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever."

mvskkkal does not care about facts. I thought you knew.

[LTS TRN 2]

Oh, of course, but his proper function after all is to be the tent-peg properly pounded--and in the pounding we find all sorts of interesting things. For example, a certain CIA slimeball named Claire George had slipped from view. And lots more. Happy pounding! :D

[Tom In VA]

Like I keep saying, I'm just happy that we have a POTUS that isn't habitually lying to us or just painful dumb.

Sure.

[War Wagon]

I voted for Obama, but I didn't have expectations of miracle-working.

Neither did I expect miracles, but I at least had a reasonable expectation (hope!) that the man so widely acclaimed by everyone from Oprah Winfrey to Warren Buffet would or could make things better. Or at least stop the bleeding. Instead of a tourniquet, we've gotten a double amputee.

Even the most ardent of Bush haters and Obama supporters, if they're honest, have to be looking askance at what's going down.

He promised change and by damn, that's what we're getting. Just not the kind anyone wished for.

[Tom In VA]

This is precisely what I expected. He did say it would get worse before it gets better. He's making sure of that.

[barack is GOD]

I'm just happy that we have a POTUS that isn't habitually lying to us or just painful dumb.

We have neither and you are pathetically deluded.

Obama grants two more lobbyists waivers


HOORAAY, CHANGE!!! YAY!!

Such a breath of fresh air.

***************************************************
Listen to mvscal. He recognizes the greatness that is Obama!

[War Wagon]

I'm just happy that we have a POTUS that isn't habitually lying to us or just painful dumb.

We have neither and you are pathetically deluded.


http://thehill.com/business--lobby/obam ... 03-10.html

Did anyone really expect Obama could fill his administration without including lobbyists? It'd be like milking cows without a bucket.

Well, maybe PUS did. He doesn't know the difference between true and false.

The real lie is how he's trying to use the economic crisis to implement his socialist agenda. As if health care, education, or energy had one motherfucking thing to do with the economy being in the shitter, or that it could pull it out.

[PSUFAN]

If they chuck you out of the warehouse, you better start believing that crap about the socialist agenda, comrade.

[War Wagon]

If they chuck you out of the warehouse, you better start believing that crap about the socialist agenda, comrade.

I am afraid you might be right about that.

[Moving Sale]

But no comment about your hero's clumsy lie? Yeah, I didn't think so.

But if you don't want to comment on his lie about excluding lobbyists from key roles in government, perhaps you might like to comment on his lie about using his veto on earmark laden spending bills?

Repetitive Racist fuckstain much?

[Moving Sale]

Newsflash:
You are a Racist pile of cumwhores. Repeating that while you are still here is not, per se repetitive.
It's more like sticking the shit slinging monkey back in the cage... again.

[Moving Sale]

Likewise enumerating separate lies that the gibbering chimp in the White House spews is not repetitive. If it hurts your feelings maybe you should write him a letter and ask him why he is so full of shit.

You felched Hitlerchimp, yet failed to write him to ask him the same question.

Oh that's right you LIKED to eat his assdroppings... until you didn't then you threw him under then bus and started jacking you own crank... Pathetic.

[Moving Sale]

You felched Hitlerchimp,

Go ahead link us up there, tiny.

The idea to invade Iraq was absolutely the correct thing to do and that was recognized by the {chimp.}

Felch away.

You do know about 'video-tape' right

Sin,
Jon Stewart.

[Moving Sale]

Nice backpedal.

Still not enough to keep him from being (briefly) the worst President ever.

And yet you sucked his cock anyways.
Ponderous. Well not for you you right wing fucktard. I meant for normal people.

[Moving Sale]

Link?

We just did that you black cock craving hippocrate.

[Moving Sale]

De-nile much?