Health Care Costs Destroying Small Businesses

[BSmack]

3.5% of our population = illegal immigrants??

:?

Not after the last 6 months. They all went back to places they could get jobs.

[Terry in Crapchester]

And how the fukk can you not be a wings far seeing as it's the one and only food group you fukks have bode on.

If you really want to know . . .

One of the last times I got sick in my life was on my 24th birthday. I had spent the day ingesting beer, tequila, chili and chicken wings. I have a pretty strong stomach, but even for me, that was a recipe for disaster. The wings were the last thing down and the first up. I tasted it, big time, on the way up. Haven't been able to eat them since.

Ever have it coming out of you at both ends at the same time? That was me -- sitting on the throne with my head bowed over between my legs, trying desperately to hit the toilet bowl from both ends. I didn't make it, obviously. I was in the Navy at the time, and was at a party at the residence of a University of Alabama alum. So I cleaned up with a roll of "Roll, Tide" paper towels (I'm sure Sudden Sam will appreciate that).

As for other food groups we have bode on, there's always garbage plates and white hot dogs. Loves me a garbage plate, but try not to have them too often. I'm not a huge fan of the white hot dog.

[Diogenes]

3.5% of our population = illegal immigrants??

:?

Not after the last 6 months. They all went back to places they could get jobs.

That'll teach them to vote for Dems.

[smackaholic]

I'm not a huge fan of the white hot dog.

prolly what your OL says after a few a number of years on the white hot dog diet.

[Onions]

And how the fukk can you not be a wings far seeing as it's the one and only food group you fukks have bode on.

If you really want to know . . .

One of the last times I got sick in my life was on my 24th birthday. I had spent the day ingesting beer, tequila, chili and chicken wings. I have a pretty strong stomach, but even for me, that was a recipe for disaster. The wings were the last thing down and the first up. I tasted it, big time, on the way up. Haven't been able to eat them since.

Ever have it coming out of you at both ends at the same time? That was me -- sitting on the throne with my head bowed over between my legs, trying desperately to hit the toilet bowl from both ends. I didn't make it, obviously. I was in the Navy at the time, and was at a party at the residence of a University of Alabama alum. So I cleaned up with a roll of "Roll, Tide" paper towels (I'm sure Sudden Sam will appreciate that).

As for other food groups we have bode on, there's always garbage plates and white hot dogs. Loves me a garbage plate, but try not to have them too often. I'm not a huge fan of the white hot dog.

"A Garbage Plate is a combination of cheeseburger, hamburger, red hots, white hots, Italian sausage, chicken tender, fish (Haddock), fried ham, grilled cheese, or eggs; and two sides of either home fries, French fries, baked beans, or macaroni salad). On top of that are the options of mustard and onions, ketchup, and Nick's proprietary hot sauce, a greasy sauce with spices and ground beef. It's served with rolls or Italian toast on the side"

what is the average life expectancy of a crapchesterian, 65? ..55?

[JMak]

And there is no explosion in cost, you're fear mongering. At this point in time, the United States government spends more per capita on health care than the Canadian government. Yes, the US GOVERNMENT. The amount of America's paycheque that funds the American health non-system dwarfs the proportion of Canada's paycheque that funds the Canadian system. It is a fact, and you only cover (half?) the population.

Nice work fabricating data whenever convenient. We spend more because we have better health care outcomes and, partly because of government regulatory mandates. Additionally, one advantage to government-sponsored health care is that, for example, here in the US, when assessing Medicare's administrative costs, the Medicare program doesn't have to worry about collecting revenue. The IRS does that. Medicare doesn't have to engage in a marketing and sales program. Private insurers don't enjoy such advantages as having a federal governmenr bureaucracy behind them.

You exist in a state of denial that the problem is bureaucratic and administrative.

So 1500 state and fed health care regulations place no additional costs on health care?

The only way you can argue this is like Jmak.. with the only weapons remaining in the repertoire of the anti-socialised insurance crowd - bizzare anecdotal evidence and confusing wait times between elective and emergency surgery.

Funny, I didn't argue this line nor confuse the two. As well, you ignore the wait times for critical treatment like dialysis and chemo. You ignore the fact that there are not not enough labor and delivery resources in Canada.

I'll admit that quality of care in the US is slightly better, but it's so marginal that it doesn't even effect life expectancy or morbitity rates.

Two measurements that have nothing to do with health care efficacy or is at least misleading, Life expectancy is a poor measure of health care efficacy simply due to the fact that a huge number of deaths are not the result of lack of access to health care or even poor health care.

[Dr_Phibes]

Yes, you do spend more more, I'm not arguing that. Spending money on health care isn't necessarily bad. Fuck saving 2% here or there, knock it down by a third without sacrificing service to any serious degree.

Regulatory mandates? Positive cost for quality of treatment

Insurance companies? Negative cost =/= nothing is produced.

I've heard it referred to as parasitical, but a polite term for it is non-productive labour.
They give nothing to the quality of product, they contribute in no way shape or form. You've just made the arguement about marketing and sales cost, extend that further toward profit, salaries, rent of building, everything.
Eliminate them entirely and no one will ever miss them, leave the task to one organisation. The IRS collects for medicaid? So what? Leave them to collect it all, they're already doing it.
Bureaucracy is not a concept limited to government. I know what direction you were trying to go, but you shot yourself down - just another agency siphoning money.

Funny, I didn't argue this line nor confuse the two. As well, you ignore the wait times for critical treatment like dialysis and chemo. You ignore the fact that there are not not enough labor and delivery resources in Canada.

Yes you did, you posted a weird article about a case of human error that the author described as 'but it may also be idiosyncratic. Even with the best access to health care, doctors can't catch everything.'

The second article mentioned wait times between five treatments - two elective, three serious. Some exceeded target times and some did not, no distinction was made as to what was what, that's a hatchet job.
The 'critic' of the system the author cites then went on to advocate a nationalised pharmaceutical plan. ??

I'd call life expectancy and morbitity rates excellant measures of health care. The more people seeing doctors, the more people getting treated, are healthier -and live longer. The fact that Bob in Buffalo got hit by a bus is irrelevant, all things being equal in all countries.

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

The IRS collects for medicaid?

Actually, they don't. If you're really stupid enough to not know the fucking difference between Medicare and Medicaid, then you should really disqualify yourself from posting any further in this thread.

Medicaid is state run and is always the payer of last resort. Medicaid is needs based. All TPL obligations must be exhausted before Medicaid will step in. There's more... much more, but seriously, you're a complete fucking tard if you think the programs are interchangeable.

[smackaholic]

Yes, you do spend more more, I'm not arguing that. Spending money on health care isn't necessarily bad. Fuck saving 2% here or there, knock it down by a third without sacrificing service to any serious degree.

Regulatory mandates? Positive cost for quality of treatment

a reasonable level of regulation is needed. we have that x 1000

Insurance companies? Negative cost =/= nothing is produced.

says you? what is "produced" is the same thing that is produced with any insurance, financial protection of assets against catastrophic costs.

I've heard it referred to as parasitical, but a polite term for it is non-productive labour.

I've another term for non-productive labor. Gubmint.

They give nothing to the quality of product, they contribute in no way shape or form. You've just made the arguement about marketing and sales cost, extend that further toward profit, salaries, rent of building, everything.
Eliminate them entirely and no one will ever miss them, leave the task to one organisation. The IRS collects for medicaid? So what? Leave them to collect it all, they're already doing it.
Bureaucracy is not a concept limited to government. I know what direction you were trying to go, but you shot yourself down - just another agency siphoning money.

What you say makes sense, assuming you leave out one small little detail. That "one organisation" is famous for being horribly inefficient. And why shouldn't it be? It is a business like any other, looking to grow. The difference is it is a monopoly. Gubmint might be efficient too, if it had competition. But, it doesn't.

Why is it so hard to understand that any organization not required to be efficient, will not bother to be.

[Dr_Phibes]

Actually, they don't. If you're really stupid enough to not know the fucking difference between Medicare and Medicaid, then you should really disqualify yourself from posting any further in this thread.

Medicaid is state run and is always the payer of last resort. Medicaid is needs based. All TPL obligations must be exhausted before Medicaid will step in. There's more... much more, but seriously, you're a complete fucking tard if you think the programs are interchangeable.

To be honest, I know the difference, but barely and that's to my advantage. It keeps me from chasing my tail around all day, engaging in pointless arguements and dancing around the subject.

Why bog yourself down with useless details? An obnoxious little twat like yourself busies himself knitpicking over the difference between the thousands of little microsystems in something that can't be described as a 'system' at all. When you step outside it and look at it from a distance, the whole structure of it, the less you know the better.

p.s. fuck you cunt, etc.

[Moving Sale]

Insurance companies definitely improve the efficiency and quality of health care in the United States.

You are a fucking idiot. Insurance for profit, by definition, is a scam and that is if it is done by people with morals.
Now STFU and get back to work paying your taxes and being a stupid bigot with deformed kids.

[smackaholic]

Do you work for a profit, dumbfukk?

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

Why bog yourself down with useless details?

It's my job to know. My current clients include Mass Gen and BIDMC. In the past, I've worked for Aetna and Travelers. Unfortunately for you, I read your bullshit and called you on it. If you want to lick my boots some more, just let me know... "doctor." <---

You actually seem proud to pontificate with grandiose ignorance within these threads. Admittedly, this is the first time I've stumbled upon your tripe. Thanks for the laugh. Do you normally herd these shit takes in one place, or are they littered throughout numerous forums? I need more...

[Dr_Phibes]

hell hath no fury like an insurance salesman scorned