Do THESE people represent the American they "want back"?

[Dr_Phibes]

nicely put mv and poptart..

BTW...I collect those old paper money. Were it not for their numismatic value, yeah...worthless as leaves

So is silver if you think about it - unless you're attempting to conduct electricity or eating at a posh restaurant. Paper money, you can write on or light up to keep warm. Both fetishes are acts of faith.

[Dinsdale]

BTW...I collect those old paper money. Were it not for their numismatic value, yeah...worthless as leaves

How does a person who types things like "those old paper money," and routinely uses "wif" use the word "numismatic" properly in a sentence?



Freaking ponderous.

[Diogenes]

"The mess he was left" isn't an excuse, it's fact.

You mean the mess he helped to create? When McClown and others tried to reform Freddie/Fannie was one of the few times he voted something other than present. Of course, not so surprising considering the $$$ they were giving him. And when ACORN was blackmailing, terrorizing and suing banks to force them to make risky home loans, it was one B.H. Obama who was their attorney of record.

Every time this assclown tries to 'fix' things he just fucks them up more. Who wants to invest in an economy where the Fed is taking over banks, auto companies, and the medical industry? For starters.

[Felix]

You mean the mess he helped to create? When McClown and others tried to reform Freddie/Fannie was one of the few times he voted something other than present. Of course, not so surprising considering the $$$ they were giving him. And when ACORN was blackmailing, terrorizing and suing banks to force them to make risky home loans, it was one B.H. Obama who was their attorney of record.

dude, you need to back away from Faux News and start doing some thinking for yourself....the housing crash wasn't caused by low income people buying houses out of their price range (of course predatory lenders were being encouraged to make those types of high risk loans), but low income defaults on mortgages were nothing more than a blip on the radar screen insofar as the housing bubble goes....the primary culprits were speculative buyers and developers trying to cash in on a 15-20%/annum increase in house prices....

[Dinsdale]

but low income defaults on mortgages were nothing more than a blip on the radar screen insofar as the housing bubble goes....the primary culprits were speculative buyers and developers trying to cash in on a 15-20%/annum increase in house prices....

Sorry, bud.

If you have stats to back that up, I'll show you some falsified numbers.


See... I got this kinda part-time gig dealing with foreclosed houses. Hauling out the abandon shit, maintaining the property, boarding up the broken windows to keep the junkies from moving in (most of them are in shitty rough neighborhoods), getting quotes on other shit, and whatnot-in-general.

And take a guess how many of these properties (there's been quite a few) were sitting there as a result of spec buyers and developers busting?

Go ahead, take a big ol guess...

Hint: The number you're looking for starts with a "Z."


Just about all of them were devout PWTs. Almost every house has evidence of hard-drug use (even the ones that housed children).

So, I'm going to say, as a person who actually deals with this stuff... you're full of shit, and whoever told you otherwise is full of shit.


Although, on the heartwarming side of things -- the newest entry for me is a BOOYAH! house that a real estate broker just couldn't keep together.


Sorry, libs -- the "deregulation" you speak of is an outright LIE, and it was indeed government regulation of financial markets that collapsed to mortgage industry.

[Diogenes]

You mean the mess he helped to create? When McClown and others tried to reform Freddie/Fannie was one of the few times he voted something other than present. Of course, not so surprising considering the $$$ they were giving him. And when ACORN was blackmailing, terrorizing and suing banks to force them to make risky home loans, it was one B.H. Obama who was their attorney of record.

dude, you need to back away from Fox News and start doing some thinking for yourself...

Has Fox (or anyone else) actually covered ACORN's role (or BHO's assist) in creating the housing bubble?

Link? I'm still waiting for anyone in the media or Congress to get a clue.

(of course predatory lenders were being encouraged to make those types of high risk loans), but low income defaults on mortgages were nothing more than a blip on the radar screen insofar as the housing bubble goes....the primary culprits were speculative buyers and developers trying to cash in on a 15-20%/annum increase in house prices....

If by 'predatory lenders being encouraged' you mean otherwise responsible financial institutions being smeared, blackmailed, threatened with legal sanctions and sued then they were definitely 'encouraged'. And the speculation was a reaction to the skyrocketing prices of housing, which in turn was caused by the unrestrained credit and loosening of fiscal requirements demanded by the leftists in Congress, not to mention the abandonment of all oversight over Freddie Mae and Fannie Mac.

But feel free to keep your head firmly lodged up your ass and blame the evil bankers for what Washington created.

[Felix]

Sorry, bud.

If you have stats to back that up, I'll show you some falsified numbers.

in 2006, the Wall Street Journal reported that 61% of all the borrowers that received sub-prime loans had credit scores high enough to qualify for prime conventional loans....so the assertion that the credit crisis was the result of bad loans to low income people is simply not true....40% of the houses that were sold in 2006 were not the buyers primary residence...in other words, 40% of the houses sold were either bought as secondary residences (this would be a very small percentage), or were purchased by people looking to cash in on the escalating home prices....when developers began building houses at a break neck pace, suddenly the inflow of all these new houses threw supply/demand out of whack which in turn, depressed home prices and the rest is history

Sorry, libs -- the "deregulation" you speak of is an outright LIE, and it was indeed government regulation of financial markets that collapsed to mortgage industry.

the financial markets didn't collapse because of government regulation, it was repeal of the Glass-Steagal Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-Steagall_Act) orchastrated by republicans and signed into law by Clinton that was the beginning of the end

[Diogenes]

...in 2006...

Glass-Steagal Act ...signed into law by Clinton

So it's all Bubba's fault? Don't forget it was his administration which imposed legal sanctions on so-called 'redlining' (only giving loans to those who could pay them back).

[Tom In VA]

http://cop.senate.gov/

Go read that. Felix is only giving you half a story. Almost like he posted "Need to find a way to pin this meltdown entirely on Republicans, what do I do" on "Google Answers" or something and someobody told him about Elizabeth Warren and Richard Neiman of the Congressional Oversight Panel. These "outside experts" are appointed as follows:

One member chosen by the Speaker of the House (Nancy Pelosi selected Richard H. Neiman on November 14)
One member chosen by the minority leader of the House (John Boehner appointed Jeb Hensarling on November 19)
One member chosen by the majority leader of the Senate (Harry Reid appointed Elizabeth Warren on November 14)
One member chosen by the minority leader of the Senate (Mitch McConnell appointed John E. Sununu on December 17 after his original choice Judd Gregg had "stepped aside" December 1]).
One member chosen by the Speaker of the House and the majority leader of the Senate, following consultation with the minority leaders of Congress (Damon Silvers [13] was appointed on November 14)


So since two out of five cited the repeal, to Felix, that's a "scientific law". Gee, I wonder which two exhausted efforts to find a way to blame republicans.

That's the fucking problem in Washington. A whole lot of your money and your time is wasted on each party working to deflect blame or even better ... find a way to blame the other guy.

Meanwhile the problems fester and the "people" vote in a Huge Government administration. All I have to say is ....

Here's what happened, not excluding Felix's proposal which isn't entirely untrue ... a lot of homes foreclosed were these "house flippers" defaulting on their second or third homes.

People freaked the fuck out and got scared. When people are scared, they don't spend money. When people don't spend money.

The economy screeches to a halt.

[Dinsdale]

the financial markets didn't collapse because of government regulation, it was repeal of the Glass-Steagal Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-Steagall_Act) orchastrated by republicans and signed into law by Clinton that was the beginning of the end

Another liberal lie.

The federal government has ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS using MY money (yes, I AM 1/300,000,000th owner of those assets) to insure other peoples' investments.

Here's a novel idea -- make Johnny Q responsible for his own better interest.

Wait... that would require people to think, and educate themselves before signing on dotted lines... the Men In The Marble Palace can't have that...

[Dinsdale]

a lot of homes foreclosed were these "house flippers" defaulting on their second or third homes.

And if a Big Brother entity didn't FUCKING INSURE this stupidity, would for-profit financial institutions have made such stupid fucking loans?


Show me a person who says the current financial situation is caused by "the greed of the banking industry," and I'll show you an uninformed dolt.


They were just doing business under the rules that Big Brother laid out for them. When you get all this Fair Housing, ACORN-regulated (FELIX -- it ain't "lack of regulation" -- it's who they choose to do the "regulating"), "Do This Or Else" federal bullshit, it takes the decision-making away from those who are actually experts at it... the finance industry.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

WRONG. If you continue to spend money you don't have, eventually you will end up bankrupt. Period.

Yeah, but you'll have a hell of a ride while the other wage apes are pulling a shitty pay check at the local widget plant.

[Diogenes]

... a lot of homes foreclosed were these "house flippers" defaulting on their second or third homes.

So what? the flippers came in late, AFTER ACORN, Obama and company created the bubble that was destined to burst. Well before 2006, BTW.

People freaked the fuck out and got scared. When people are scared, they don't spend money. When people don't spend money.

The economy screeches to a halt.

Kind of like when the Federal Government starts taking over banks, then auto companies, then the health care industry, then who knows whats next (housing?)...

People don't trust the economy. When they don't trust the economy, they don't invest. When they don't invest...


The recession goes on. And on. And on.

[Dr_Phibes]

are you suggesting it's a matter of attitude?

right everyone.. big smiles please, face forward.. and!

[Diogenes]

are you suggesting it's a matter of attitude?

No. It's a matter of your ideological brethren pursuing policies that undermine confidence in the economy and the future.

[Tom In VA]

are you suggesting it's a matter of attitude?

right everyone.. big smiles please, face forward.. and!

That is not what is implied and you know it.

[Diogenes]

Some links for those who want to know (Lefties probably don't want to click)...

CRA, ACORN, Democrats, Obama and the Housing Market Crisis

ACORN and Obama

ACORN's role in corrupting Freddie Mae/Fannie Mac

[Felix]

Another liberal lie.

bullshit...it allowed banks to get into all kinds of businesses including selling SIV's which were primarily littered with sub-prime loans...when the loans defaulted, the SIV's were seriously hit and the credit market dried up

The federal government has ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS using MY money (yes, I AM 1/300,000,000th owner of those assets) to insure other peoples' investments.

the banks were insuring themselves, that's what repeal of the law allowed them to do

Wait... that would require people to think, and educate themselves before signing on dotted lines... the Men In The Marble Palace can't have that...

look, you can try to blame low income people defaulting on their loans as the cause, but those defaulted loans didn't contribute as much to the crisis as some people would have you think....it was greedy fucks trying to cash in on what was clearly unsustainable real estate escalations in value

Some links for those who want to know (Lefties probably don't want to click)...

CRA, ACORN, Democrats, Obama and the Housing Market Crisis

ACORN and Obama

ACORN's role in corrupting Freddie Mae/Fannie Mac

great find, and from such a neutral source....look, I can google up as many articles that implicate George Bush as the mastermind behind 9/11 and from more reliable sources than you've cited.....seriously, ACORN ain't the problem...if you'd quit listening to 24/7 of faux news and do some reading like I told you, you could easily figure out who is butt fucking you in the mouth....here's a hint...it ain't politicians

[Diogenes]

great find, and from such a neutral source....look, I can google up as many articles that implicate George Bush as the mastermind behind 9/11 and from more reliable sources than you've cited.....seriously, ACORN ain't the problem...if you'd quit listening to 24/7 of Fox news and do some reading like I told you, you could easily figure out who is butt fucking you in the mouth....here's a hint...it ain't politicians

I already told you the links were for the open minded...

(Lefties probably don't want to click)...

If you think your Michael Moore fantasies are backed by sources more reliable than Kurtz,that says nothing about Kurtz and everything about you. But then ad hominems and willful ignorance are about all you have.

And I'm still waiting for a link to where Fox has been covering any of this.

[Felix]

And I'm still waiting for a link to where Fox has been covering any of this.

covering what ACORN?

holy shit dude, listen to the honks at Faux News for a day and you'd think that ACORN was Satan reincarnated-Beck and Hannity spend inordinate amounts of time demonizing ACORN and they've mastered the ploy that was previously reserved for politicians-they specialize in making people afraid and telling you who's to blame for the fear they've conjured up

who could ever forget the endless parade of "ACORN is involved in trying to steal the election by voter fraud" while failing to note two pretty important facts. first, it was in fact ACORN that turned in the people responsible for submitting fraudulent voter registration forms and second, try as they might they've never been able to find an actual instance of any fraudulent voter registration turning into an actual vote.....

[Sirfindafold]

Funny how "FAUX" News is all up in the head of idiot liberals like feelsdix. They know "exactly" what a Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity are talking about every day, but no, they NEVER watch or listen to their programs.

Its just a "smear campaign", right foolix?

laughable.

[Diogenes]

And I'm still waiting for a link to where Fox has been covering any of this.

covering what ACORN?

Their role in the housing crisis,moron.

Of course they cover ACORN's attempts to steal elections, that is such common knowledge even CNN mentions it. Just like back in the day, everyone focused on Clinton's perjury, obstruction and subornation (sex to Lefties)and ignored his giving missile technology to the PRC in exchange for illegal campaign funds. Just because 'the media' ignores an issue doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[Felix]

Their role in the housing crisis,moron.

is there some part of "61% of the sub-prime borrowers income level sould have qualified them for prime rate mortgage loans" you're struggling with?

at the very most, 39% of the sub-prime loans would have been to low income people, and of that 39%, I'd venture to guess that at least 10% of that 39% would not be considered to be "low-income".....and you seem to forget that lots of mortgage lenders were concocting various schemes (e.g. lying through their teeth) to get people into houses any way they could...why do you want to throw poor people under the bus, when it's evident from the data I've presented that poor people aren't the primary culprits here?

[Diogenes]

Their role in the housing crisis,moron.

is there some part of "61% of the sub-prime borrowers income level sould have qualified them for prime rate mortgage loans" you're struggling with?

You forgot the 2006 part this time. :twisted:

And I guess that's a no on Fox's extensive coverage on the subject. But props on going an entire post without mentioning them....

[Felix]

You forgot the 2006 part this time. :twisted:

why would you think the percentage would have changed before the great collapse? You seem to want to give a pass to the people that were the primary cause of the real estate collapse (developers over developing throwing supply/demand completely out of whack...economics 101-when supply outpaces demand, prices drop
so why aren't you blaming the speculative builders of the vacant subdivisions littered throughout every large metropolitan area in the country for creating the over supply and killing prices? Why aren't you holding the bankers that were knowingly making high risk loans to under financed buyers and basically rubber stamping every loan package that came through? Why aren't you pissed at them, because as I've shown they had a much more substantive effect on the credit squeeze than a few defaulted loans by some low income buyers.....

And I guess that's a no on Fox's extensive coverage on the subject. But props on going an entire post without mentioning them....

Fox news is the worst sort of tripe there is.....it basically consists of the 24-hour hate Obama network and frankly their shrilling gets a little tiring...but I do watch both Beck and Hannity on occasion.....it seems their in a competition to out screech each other and so far Beck, with 62 lost advertisers is leading the charge....but that's what comes from calling the President of the United States a racist....I think Hannity needs to go back to the basics, you know calling for armed insurrection against our government....I think that's really his best spiel

[LTS TRN 2]

Felix, let's remember just who you're trying to reason with...

These inane and tediously trolling right wing hacks are about as rational and intellectually sound as a wino's urine sample. Seriously...Avi? Ziodog? Dins? Tom in Va? Wagoneer? P-tart? Weasel?

Their heroes are a bunch of criminals--Reagan, North, DeLay, Haggard, and the list of perps and pervs goes on and on. And when they're echoing Caribou "Rogue" Barbie in blaming the economic crisis on too much regulation, they're really like stranded sailors in a liferaft, drinking their own urine to stay alive. Really.

[Diogenes]

You forgot the 2006 part this time.

why would you think the percentage would have changed before the great collapse? You seem to want to give a pass to the people that were the primary cause of the real estate collapse (developers over developing throwing supply/demand completely out of whack...economics 101-when supply outpaces demand, prices drop
so why aren't you blaming the speculative builders of the vacant subdivisions littered throughout every large metropolitan area in the country for creating the over supply and killing prices? Why aren't you holding the bankers that were knowingly making high risk loans to under financed buyers and basically rubber stamping every loan package that came through? Why aren't you pissed at them, because as I've shown they had a much more substantive effect on the credit squeeze than a few defaulted loans by some low income buyers.....

I can't tell if you are ignorant, confused or just brain-dead. The reason for the speculation in the last few years was because of the steady escalation of prices (and 'value') due to demand overwhelming supply. Which was caused by banks lending money to anyone, whether they could pay it back or not. Which was caused by government policies and scumbag community organizers like ACORN. It was your leftist hack politicians that created the environment where banks had no choice but to make bad loans. The banks were responding to government force, the speculators to economic conditions, both coming from the leftist swine you want to give a pass to.

They were the primary cause of the collapse.

And I guess that's a no on Fox's extensive coverage on the subject. But props on going an entire post without mentioning them...

Fox news is the worst sort of tripe there is.....

Hey,feel free to keep parroting the latest idiocies from MessNBC and Kos. And obsess about Fox all you want. Some of us actually use sources other than TV babble and paranoid nutjob websites. But to each his own.

At least Nicky thinks you make sense. Props.

[LTS TRN 2]

Here's Ziodog working for Bibi, as it were. Just a poor dumb idiot spouting like a fool...and yet this is real
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=74f_1182324385

[Felix]

I can't tell if you are ignorant, confused or just brain-dead. The reason for the speculation in the last few years was because of the steady escalation of prices (and 'value') due to demand overwhelming supply.

listen, I know you like to think you know what you're talking about here, but your ignorance of the real estate market and the credit system is jaw-droppingly stupid.....

It was your leftist hack politicians that created the environment where banks had no choice but to make bad loans.

dude, this borders on sig material right here

Hey,feel free to keep parroting the latest idiocies from MessNBC and Kos. And obsess about Fox all you want. Some of us actually use sources other than TV babble and paranoid nutjob websites. But to each his own.

don't listen to or read either one....and I certainly don't obsess about Fox, I'm just amazed that hacks like Beck and Hannity that pretty much spend every minute of every show hating on the President (who was duly elected by a wide majority of the residents of this country) are still allowed to spew this shit without repercussions....if you think this is "fair and balanced", I'd hate to see your definition of partisan hackery....

as I said it seems that Hannity-who routinely tiptoes around treason against this country by subliminally implying that people should mount an armed insurrection against our duly elected officials (his Water the Tree of Liberty spiel pushed him to the edge of treason), Beck, who called the President a racist and routinely compares him to Adolph Hitler, and Rush Limbaugh, who wants Obama (hence the United States) to fail, seem to be in some sort of contest to see who will take the prize as the looniest of the far-right extremeists.....so far, my money is on Beck ("I think (Obama) is a racist with a deep seated hatred of white people).....Hannity and Limbaugh are going to have to step up their wingnuttery game if they expect to overtake Beck's gem

[Diogenes]

I'm just amazed that hacks...that pretty much spend every minute of every show hating on the President (who was duly elected by a wide majority of the residents of this country) are still allowed to spew this shit without repercussions....

And this bothered you immensely over the last eight years?

Of course stupidity and hypocrisy is par for the course for a Lefty.

[poptart]

I'm just amazed that hacks like Beck and Hannity that pretty much spend every minute of every show hating on the President (who was duly elected by a wide majority of the residents of this country) are still allowed to spew this shit without repercussions

You're amazed that they are allowed to spew their "shit" without repercussions?


-- pause --


Who should step in to stop them?

Or what are the "repercussions" you think they should be facing for exercising their right of free speech?

[Diogenes]

So do THESE people represent the American the Left "wants back"?







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Personally, I prefer the modern day Sons of Liberty.

[Diogenes]

And more left-wing activism...

"I put a bomb in your building, bitch."




BTW, somebody needs to Change Matthews' and Olberman's diapers.

MessNBC on the evils of sarcasm...

And Felix and S_M might need a change as well.

[Felix]

Who should step in to stop them?

Rupert Murdoch if the guy had an ounce of integrity left in the blackness that was probably once occupied by his heart...but given the fact that Faux News has now transtioned to political organization, he should do whatever he thinks best....

Or what are the "repercussions" you think they should be facing for exercising their right of free speech?

calling for people to support an armed insurrection goes a little bit beyond "free speech" and is more akin to screaming "fire" in a crowded theater.....but go ahead and hook me up to a link of any left leaning MAIN STREAM commentator that was calling for armed insurrection against former Republican administrations...be sure and turn out the lights when you leave

So do THESE people represent the American the Left "wants back"?


Personally, I prefer the modern day Sons of Liberty.

so you find some pictures of some radical left wing nutjobs and portray them as representing everyone on the left? Wow, just fucking wow.....

Oh and remember when I said that if any of the right-wing extremeists were going to out lunatic Beck they were going to have to really go over the top....looks like we may have a contender....John Perry from the always reliable NewsMax has taken it to a whole new level.....

There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the "Obama problem." Don't dismiss it as unrealistic.

America isn't the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn't mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it.

Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a "family intervention," with some form of limited, shared responsibility?

Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration (I'm assuming here he means an interim administration comprised of Republicans) that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.

Military intervention is what Obama's exponentially accelerating agenda for "fundamental change" toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.

Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don't shrug and say, "We can always worry about that later."

In the 2008 election, that was the wistful, self-indulgent, indifferent reliance on abnegation of personal responsibility that has sunk the nation into this morass.

apparently, this wingnut is not only advocating an overthrow of the legally elected government, but dreaming about how perfect the world would be if we could just put some people in there that were of the right mindset (e.g. Republicans)
I guess this is what the right refers to as "reasonable and responsible" discourse

[Felix]

Guess again, you bedwetting fucktard.

good one dude, I'll be picking myself up off the floor for a week after that blast.....

[Diogenes]

so you find some pictures of some radical left wing nutjobs and portray them as representing everyone on the left? Wow, just fucking wow.....

And this differs from the Kos Klip in the initial post how? You can go to any gathering of 100s of thousands of folks and find a few loose ends to take out of context and portray as representing the entire crowd. And even they seem normal compared to the freaks your leaders pander to. And BTW...

America isn't the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn't mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it.

apparently, this wingnut is not only advocating an overthrow of the legally elected government...

First you take his comments out of context. Then decline to give a source for the article in question (which I doubt you've even read) Then you lie about what he is saying in the out of context excerpt you posted..

Hypocritical, dishonest and stupid is no way to go through life.






Oh wait, you're a Dem. Scratch the last.

[Felix]

You spent the last eight years motherfucking Chimpy every step of the way on every single issue and now you're whimpering about treason and racism everytime somebody slaps the kool aid out of your hand.

You are a sad, stupid, pathetic piece of shit.

Look bud, you continuously calling me names isn't going to change the fact that the Republican party is being hijacked by fucking lunatics....yeah, I criticized Bush (as did you by your own admission)....I never advocated that Bush should have been impeached and certainly never advocated that he should be forcefully removed

why you'd defend this sort of behavior is beyond me.....

hey look, another dishonest headline from one of the leaders of the villagers



the headline reads "Gore Vidal: US under Obama Could Slide Into a Military Dictatorship"

of course, if you read the story Vidal says no such thing....but of course, Matt Drudge is never one to let a lie/smear go unattended.....

but mvs, you go ahead and keep on defending this kind of stuff......

[Diogenes]

...the Republican party is being hijacked by fucking lunatics...

False. But coming from a supporter of a party that is and has been run by the lunatics....

of course, if you read the story Vidal says no such thing....

America has no intellectual class and is rotting away at a funereal pace, he believes. “We’ll have a military dictatorship soon, on the basis nobody else can hold everything together. Obama would have been better off focusing on educating the American people. His problem is being overeducated. He doesn’t realise how dim-witted and ignorant his audience is.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 854498.ece

You should really just bail.

[Felix]

First you take his comments out of context. Then decline to give a source for the article in question (which I doubt you've even read) Then you lie about what he is saying in the out of context excerpt you posted.

look bean brain, there's no way to take any of what Kelly wrote "out of context"....that what he wrote on NEWSMAX (which I said in the intitial post and apparently you OVERLOOKED, and Newsmax has subsequently removed the offending article)....

but my source was Media Matters http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909300012

[Diogenes]

First you take his comments out of context. Then decline to give a source for the article in question (which I doubt you've even read) Then you lie about what he is saying in the out of context excerpt you posted.

look bean brain, there's no way to take any of what Kelly wrote "out of context"....that what he wrote on NEWSMAX (which I said in the intitial post and apparently you OVERLOOKED, and Newsmax has subsequently removed the offending article)....

but my source was Media Matters http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909300012

Exactly how does "Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it. " constitute advocating a military coup?

And you never read the actual article before lying about what he was saying.

I'm shocked.

Not really.