Florida-Cincinnati

[Terry in Crapchester]

The Marcus Allen-esque observation is that that line in particular figures to go down in the next few days.

As I've said elsewhere, I like Cinci's chances here, not just of covering, but of winning outright. Florida is going to be disappointed that they're not in the championship game, and that could mean that they're in for a letdown here. OTOH, Cincinnati could be motivated by a perceived or real lack of respect -- the feeling that they were on the outside looking in all season, notwithstanding a perfect season and a tougher schedule than Texas, at least at the top of each team's schedule, as many here have pointed out; and the fact that their coach apparently is leaving for ND.

Regardless of the outcome, look for much of ND Nation to read more into the result than they should, particularly in light of the fact that Urban Meyer is on the other sideline.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Alabama embarrassed the SEC last year in the Sugar Bowl. It better not happen again.

I don't pretend to know what motivates a team in a bowl game that isn't for the national championship. I have a hard time believing that it's conference pride, though. That's more an invention of the ESPN crowd to try to hype the other bowl games.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

As I've said elsewhere, I like Cinci's chances here, not just of covering, but of winning outright.

I'll take 10.5 all day. Cincy is more battle tested than UF this season. Florida played one really good team all year and got exposed. They're just a slightly better version of LSU. Cincy just finds ways to win, even if that means a defensive blood letting.

Florida is going to be disappointed that they're not in the championship game, and that could mean that they're in for a letdown here. OTOH, Cincinnati could be motivated by a perceived or real lack of respect...

If you saw Tebow's presser he went on through the tears about how Florida will be ready to play this game, how they want to go out with a win. So he already fucked up that excuse for them if they lose.

[MuchoBulls]

I was hoping that Cincinnati would get an SEC team. I did think that Alabama posed the biggest problem for Cincinnati and that the Bearcats would have a better chance against Florida. I still think that, and after seeing what Alabama did to UF's defense I know Cincinnati will get their points. It's just a matter of their D stepping up and forcing Tebow to pass.

[CintiBearcat92]

I'll give 10.5 all day. Game will not be close.

Why? Explain your reasoning beyond the normal SEC homer bullshit.

-Cincinnati is 3-0 against BCS top 25 teams (wins over numbers 16, 17, & 18) and two of those wins were on the road
-Florida is 1-1 against BCS top 25 teams (win over #13) with that win being on the road

Florida hasn't seen an offense like this all year. The only one that is close is Alabama and they got hit for 32 points by Bama. Tell me why this game won't be close besides just being an SEC homer.

[CintiBearcat92]

Like I said, Sam, Cincinnati has better wins this year than Florida. The numbers show that...Cincinnati with three wins over BCS top 25 and only one win for UF. In games against ranked teams, Florida is just 1-1 despite playing 13 games. Cincinnati is 4-0 in 12 games with three of those wins coming on the road. Quit looking at the name on the shirt, Sam. Georgia and Tennessee SOUND impressive but they aren't. They are decent teams, nothing more. Cincinnati has better wins than Florida. Cincinnati has played and beaten more ranked teams. Cincinnati has been a far better road team than Florida. Florida crushed UK on the road but all three of their other road wins were by 10 points each so they just aren't as good of a team outside of Gainesville. Of course you remember what happened to them against Alabama at a neutral site. That same day, Cincinnati scored 45 on Pitt on the road, in the snow, on Senior Day, for the Big East title, against a top 25 team in scoring defense in the FBS.

I believe I've stated my case pretty well. Now, tell me why Cincinnati can't compare to Florida? I'm not making any big claims here either. I think Cincinnati will win this game but I could definitely see us losing. Florida is a great team so they could definitely beat us. I think it will be a great game but it will prove nothing. Cincinnati doesn't have to beat Florida to prove that they're a very good team. I believe a 12-0 record has already proven that.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

The Gators are defending national champions, and have won it two out of the past three years.

Percy Harvin isn't walking through that tunnel, you ignorant douche.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Penn State is favored over LSU? WTF?!?

Yeah, why not? Neither team really beat anybody worth a shit, so it's pretty much a toss up. Both teams play good D. Penn State's offense is better.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

I wouldn't be surprised to see LSU win, these teams seem fairly similar. Just sayin' it's not like it's some huge outrage PSU is favored. Jaysus.

[MuchoBulls]

Florida - 3rd toughest schedule

I chuckled.

No team in their division had better than a 4-4 SEC record and won more than 7 overall games. They had a nice road win at LSU, but that's pretty much it.

Their OOC was very weak and they didn't have the luxury of FSU having a good season to help them out in that regard.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Spray, you don't think anybody actually takes that link seriously...do you?

[MuchoBulls]

Not going to argue there Sam. There were a good number of teams who had down seasons, but to say UF played the 3rd most difficult schedule is laughable. Even if the SEC Championship game is factored in to that (and I am assuming it is), UF didn't play the 3rd toughest schedule. Once they leave the state of Florida for an OOC game, then we can talk. Cincinnati went all the way across the country to play a game and they should be applauded for that.

[MuchoBulls]

No one is calling you out 'Spray. I just find these SOS links to be very arbitrary to say the least.

I just can't see how UF's schedule is ranked so high. I know why they are, but the SEC East sucked ass this season and they had one real nice win at LSU. UF's OOC (minus FSU) schedule leaves a lot to be desired.

Cincinnati's OOC was much better. It just really sucked for them that VT dropped off of their schedule because that would have been a huge boost for them.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/polls/117

So you follow that up with a link from...SECBS?

[M Club]

sos is gay. the bottom end of cincy or tcu's schedule may be weak, but the fact is they actuallly had to play more games against legitimately good teams than florida.

sec teams usually finish the season with high sos because of that southern inbreeding y'all are so good at. you basically get credit for playing each other to 7-5 stalemates even though the sources of four of those win are well documented here.

[PSUFAN]

Penn State is favored over LSU? WTF?!?

Yeah, why not? Neither team really beat anybody worth a shit, so it's pretty much a toss up. Both teams play good D. Penn State's offense is better.

The games I saw (Iowa & Ohio State) Penn State's offense was non-existent.

Actually, neither team is very good this year.

I'll agree with that. Vegas smells a big money-making opportunity. PSU has a big fan base, and much of it thinks that this matchup is "beneath" them...and so they'll flog their bookies to get money down on this.

[M Club]

And they usually kick ass in the bowl games, and they usually win the fucking National Championship.

I understand the jealousy, guys.

Seriously - if y'all don't like just about all of the fucking SOS's out there - print your own fucking theories.

http://www.teamrankings.com/college-foo ... ng-by-conf

There is no bias to that link. It's not real hard to read, either! Give it a shot!

SEC teams get a boost in their rankings from playing a bunch of teams who play sub-.500 ball against BCS competition. Conference bowl records are also a joke considering matchups. The Alamo Bowl is what, Big XII #3 against Big 10 #14? The Big 10 plays up in most of its matchups, and two of those games directly benefit the SEC. So basically, your bowl matchups are set along the same philosophical lines as your OOC games.

[M Club]

3rd post down. Don't know what your malfunction is, but your logic is seemingly tweaking a moth's anus.

ja, i had the sec bowl matchups a bit off. your sos thing is still a fat fucking joke. even you know it considering how eager you are to talk about butt sex all the time.

[M Club]

M Club,
Where did you come up with the SEC playing lower rated teams in bowls?!

ja, i had the sec bowl matchups a bit off.

i was going off the top of my head. obvs i was wrong. i hope your sos rankings make you feel better about the sec's losing bowl record this year.

[M Club]

there are some real ass beatings the sec is getting ready to endure, but then again, picking bowls is pretty much the same thing as paring your ncaa bracket down to a sweet 16, especially because players at non-sec bcs conferences are busy this time of year taking actual finals.

[King Crimson]

picking bowls is pretty much the same thing as paring your ncaa bracket down to a sweet 16.

Damn right. Sure ain't no science to it.

as much as it's hard for me to believe Lou Holtz was once a very good football coach, Lou's formula for bowls is to pick teams that lost their last bowl game. it's actually better than the coin flip....%-wise.

you never know who will show up in a bowl. happy to be here and get a free playstation and an insight.com bowl watch or team with something to prove.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

SEC bowl-eligible bottom-feeders (7th, 8th, 9th, etc) play the mid-pack teams from other conferences in bowls. It's the only fair way.

The difference between 4th place in one conference and 7th in another might just be a difference of one game. Can't make too many definitive cases for fairness or otherwise, in that instance.

Plus when you look at the fact the SEC gets to play pretty much all of their contracted bowls in their own backyard, that evens things out more than you care to admit.

[King Crimson]

does papa willie post from a template?

[M Club]

You made a stupid statement. I responded with fact. Why couldn't you have just said "well fuck - I was wrong", instead of letting your pussy bleed? Clean that shit up.

uh, i said i was wrong. if they had a 12th grade there in the south you probably would have understood that. i'm still right that your claim about sos is just as make believe as that little fairy who leaves food stamps in place of all the missing teeth you hillbillies leave under your pillows.

Btw - SEC teams are already favored to win 7 out of the 9 bowl games they are in - just to rub that in because you're being an SECPMAMVO ("SEC pisses me and my vagina off") person.

x ....hmm, what's a number you can count up to? just so this makes sense. how about x 4. ja, oddsmakers. why don't you lay some money down on all those favorites then, that being a legitimate argument and all.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

What in the living fuck are you babbling about? If Auburn fan doesn't consider Florida part of the "south," that's fine and dandy, but that doesn't make Northwestern's 1200 mile flight to Tampa any shorter.

Nashville, TN
Shreveport, LA
Atlanta, GA
Tampa, FL
Orlando, FL
New Orleans, LA

These sites are 6 out of your 7 bowl tie-ins. What types of actual advantages SEC teams have playing at these sites can be debated, but how can you be so fucking myopic as to argue these games aren't being played in the SEC footprint? Are you fucking retarded?

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

1. Most people from around here figure it's going to be more cost-effective to drive, so they do. Even then, it still takes longer for them to drive to get there than the Yanks to fly and get there.

They can wobble in blitzed and tired if they want. They aren't playing in the game.

2. I don't think you understand me when I say "Florida ain't the South". Mgo - there are more people from Michigan and all of the other states LIVING in Florida than locals by a HUGE fucking margin.

I spent 11 years in Florida and 16 in Michigan. Suffice it to say I probably understand the dynamic better than you do. I just think your point sucks.

3. No - in all honesty - the Florida games are usually pretty balanced. If you don't believe me - just watch.

That's pretty cool then that Cincinnati is actually playing the Sugar Bowl in the heart of Big East country, and all those actual miles on a plane will be figments of their imagination.

4. Atlanta - yes - that's more of the South, but there are normally ALWAYS two teams from the South playing in the Peach Bowl. Don't be fuck-dumb, buddy!

So? How is this a counter-argument to my point that the SEC plays its games in the SEC footprint?

5. The other cities - usually two teams from the South with the exception of the Super Bowl.

So? How is this a counter-argument to my point that the SEC plays its games in the SEC footprint?

And since when was Evanston and State College located in the deep south?

The Cotton Bowl -- I'll give you that one.

6. What should we do? Start playing all the games in the fucking snow?

Fuck YES! If your players and fan bases weren't such gaping weather pussies, then we'd get to see January football played the way it was MEANT to be played.

Seriously, we can debate the travel advantages all day long, but there's no fucking way you can look at a map and tell me these games aren't being played in your backyard. And that in a land where it's beat into our heads daily that SEC football is GOD, Northwestern and Minnesota actually have some sort of upper hand because of a few thousand blue hair transplants.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Exactly. So there should be no such thing as a home field advantage then.

What the hell are you talking about? My point is that fans can get there when they want, how they want, etc., it doesn't matter. Home field (dis)advantage, within the context of traveling, applies to the teams not the fans. Are you really this dense (no pun intended)?

Where? The panhandle is still mostly South, but that's changing.

Sarasota. I know that typical southerners don't view Florida as the south, I just didn't think that silly point reinforces the notion that teams like Northwestern actually have some sort of advantage in flying down to Tampa to play a team like Auburn.

This is one example. Sort of like the Motor City Bowl. :wink:

Ohhhh, so clever. Let's see, 1 big ten tie-in in a big ten region vs 6 sec tie-ins in 6 sec regions (or close e-fucking-nough). That's really an apples to apples comparison to you? 1 and 6?

That's in Texas. That ain't the South. :D

Can't you fucking read? I know you're from the south, but that doesn't mean you have to epitomize the stereotype. I said "I'll give that one to you." That means I concede that the Cotton Bowl is not played on SEC turf.

You know - I have no problem with that. I've always thought the snow was cool for games to be in. Only thing - y'all have to get your asses down here in early September. :D

Would love to. Problem is, you guys always talk about how you need to schedule Furman and College of Charleston in September in order to prep yourselves for the rigors of Ole Miss, Miss St, Kentucky, Vandy, South Carolina, etc., so I don't see it happening.

If you look at a map - you're absolutely correct. If you go by what's living in those places - no. Once you go South of Gainesville, you've got about as much of a chance of hearing a southern accent as you would if you were in New Hampshire.

LA? GA? TN? How are these not SEC regions? Give me a break, guy. I guess football's not as rabid down there as you all try to lead on, then.

As for Florida, I understand it consists of a hodge podge of fan bases, I'll give you that (that means I agree with you); but UF being that state's torchbearer, and especially for the SEC in most years, the state is definitely more identifiable with the SEC and its culture of southern "speed" football in general (see also: Miami, Florida St) than it is with the culture of the Big Ten. And I just don't think a few thousand transplanted yankee blue hairs more interested in shuffleboard and pinochle does much to change that. And the reason I use the Big Ten for the relative comparison is because of its two bowl games against the SEC in the state of Florida. That leads me to the travel aspect of it...keep trying to convince me that a bunch of pasty white boys from Illinois, Minnesota, and Wisconsin traveling 1200 miles to play Auburn in Tampa are actually beneficiaries of some sort of home field "advantage."

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Out of necessity, the majority of the bowl games are played in the south, southwest, and So. Cal, rather than in the north.

Obviously. I'm just laughing at the notion that a bowl game played in Shreveport, LA is somehow, through the laws of Spray logic, actually in Big Ten country by proxy.

[Bucmonkey]

If only Kelly was on the sidelines

[MuchoBulls]

Even he wouldn't be much help tonight.

[buckeye_in_sc]

Well speaking from experience...huge home field advantage for LSU in the 2008 (2007 Season) MNC game at Superdome...I was there...while OSU fan showed up in full force...LSU clearly had the advantage...how much did that help? Who knows...but it sure is nice when 70% or so of the stadium is your fan base...

I honestly would love to see some of the SEC teams come north in November, etc...I mean OSU has played in Texas in August and will be playing in Miami, Blacksburg, etc in coming years...and by the way...it is very humid in the midwest in the summer as well..maybe not the tropical FLA type...but nonetheless humid...going from Cleveland, OH to Charlotte, NC in the summer was not that big of an adjustment, but being able to wear shorts in Jan/Feb is nice

[PrimeX]

PSU has a big fan base, and much of it thinks that this matchup is "beneath" them...and so they'll flog their bookies to get money down on this.

Oh really. They are in for a big surprise then.

LSU by 10+.

Bwaha.

I'm sure you still have four other schools to root for that you "claim" to be affiliated with, so good luck with those.

[SunCoastSooner]

Exactly. So there should be no such thing as a home field advantage then.

What the hell are you talking about? My point is that fans can get there when they want, how they want, etc., it doesn't matter. Home field (dis)advantage, within the context of traveling, applies to the teams not the fans. Are you really this dense (no pun intended)?

Where is it a HFA when there are pretty much equal numbers of the same fans for each team? Mgo - seriously - let's look at what the teams do. We'll look at Auburn vs. Northwestern.

Auburn - Orlando = 440 miles. That would be about a 9 hour drive AT least. If they dare wanted to fly, they'd have to drive to Columbus (or even Atlanta, because no flights from B'ham to Orlando), which is a 30 minute drive, and the quickest flight you could get from Columbus, GA to Orlando flies you back to Atlanta and THEN down to Orlando.

http://travel.travelocity.com/flights/D ... _ASCENDING

So who in the fuck is gonna do that? It's almost easier to drive the 9 hours. And no - there's NO good way to get from Auburn to Orlando, so it's EVERY bit of a 9 hour drive - probably more.

Chicago - Orlando = 2 1/2 hour plane ride.

You've got it - Northwestern fans from Chicago actually have a much easier time of getting to Orlando than Auburn fans from virtually any part of the SE. No - there aren't any Auburn fans in Florida - well - maybe in the panhandle, but that's a motherfucker of a drive as I'm sure you know.

THEN - after the game is over, half of the NW players go and stay at their retired grandparents' home in Orlando or Tampa. :D You KNOW I'm right about this, motherfucker. :D

Where? The panhandle is still mostly South, but that's changing.

Sarasota. I know that typical southerners don't view Florida as the south, I just didn't think that silly point reinforces the notion that teams like Northwestern actually have some sort of advantage in flying down to Tampa to play a team like Auburn.

Um I'm going to have to call bullshit on a lot of your post... I live here in the Panhandle... Allbarn is easily the third most popular team in the area between Pensacola and Tallahassee behind Alabama and Florida. There are thousands of Auburn fans within a two to five hour drive to Orlando. From the Panhandle to Orlando isn't that much of a mother fucking drive. I do it at least twice a year and sometimes as many as six times. Michigan and Ohio State to have a pretty sizable alumni/fan base in Florida... that is dwarfed by Allbarn just about all over the state with the exception of the Tampa area... which is as much or more of "a mother fucking drive" to Orlando...

[PrimeX]

Go fuck yourself. I've never claimed to be a Gator.

Don't get so upset about keyboard words. You might end up in the hospital for the umpteenth time, geezer. I know you're running out of bowl games to "root" for and it's probably upsetting your jellified brain, but I find joy in your humiliation on this board. Keep it up, tard.

[Van]

Jsc's never claimed to be a Gator, but he takes just as much delight in their winning as he does his own teams. More than anything else, he's an SECBSH; first, last and always. That's his main allegiance.

[PrimeX]

Jsc's never claimed to be a Gator, but he takes just as much delight in their winning as he does his own teams. More than anything else, he's an SECBSH; first, last and always. That's his main allegiance.

So out of the 120 or so Division One schools, he doesn't root for the Gators. FINALLY found one.

Noted.

[SunCoastSooner]

Jsc's never claimed to be a Gator, but he takes just as much delight in their winning as he does his own teams. More than anything else, he's an SECBSH; first, last and always. That's his main allegiance.

So out of the 120 or so Division One schools, he doesn't root for the Gators. FINALLY found one.

Noted.

Not to go all JSC/Crown but I guess I will out myself here after years of this charade...

I'm a closet Duke and Army fan as well as Oklahoma (where I graduated from). My father was stationed at West Point when I was a kid for a few months as a guest instructor at the USMA. Stunningly gorgeous campus; had a soft spot for them ever since.

I also lived in NC while my father was stationed at Fort Bragg (twice in my childhood) once while in Special Ops and another as a Psy Ops JAG officer and used to go to a number of Duke basketball games. I was accepted at Duke and desperately wanted to go there. First my father said it wasn't an option because he couldn't afford to make up the differences in tuition that my scholarships didn't cover and because two of my 'ships weren't available if I went to Duke, After my grandmother (who very recently just passed away) said she would take care of the financial obligations he came clean that he just didn't feel comfortable in allowing me to attend any such school that was so far away from any family seeing as though I was starting so young comparatively to my peers. Basically limited me to choosing between Texas, Baylor, SMU, Oklahoma, Kansas, or Missouri. I had pretty much come down to Missouri and Oklahoma and when my girlfriend who was slightly older than I was decided to attend OU that sort of pushed it over the edge in favor of Norman. Still a huge Duke fan to this day and root for them in everything outside of when/if they ever play Oklahoma.

[PrimeX]

You think I'm a bandwagon fan? Prove it, bitch. Go ahead and link up where I've bandwagoned teams.

I attended and live near LSU. I graduated from TCU. I pull for both teams, and if you have a problem with that, then it is your problem.

My only problem is your avatard. It should be more like-



Take it easy. Don't wanna rupture that bladder or get gout and ask for thoughts and prayers again while posting from a hospital bed.

[PSUFAN]

So...how 'bout this game?

[PrimeX]

Has Florida scored 60 yet? I'm onto torrent watching.