Jon Gruden on Texas, Bama, TCU, Boise

[War Wagon]

we don't give a fuck

We just want to see

What's with this "we" shit? I know you weigh as much as 3 normal people, but do you make a habit a speaking of yourself in the plural?

Didn't I tell you once already to get off my freaking pant leg?

You've already got my canned, default response to any and all of your inane gibbering. Van may find you amusing, I find you incredibly tedious.

Get away from me boy, you bother me.

[Vito Corleone]

I haven't done any real checking but looking at the bama and Texas roster there are a combined 30-40 guys that will be playing in the NFL over the next 2-3 seasons. Can anyone say the same thing about TCU and Boise State?

I know that NFL is not the end all be all of college football, hell outside of Vince, my second favorite QB (Major Applewhite) at Texas never had a shot at the NFL and he was as bad ass as they come in college. But that kind of talent does count at other positions like oline, dline, linebackers, DBs, and receiver. Those positions are filled with NFL talent on both teams. You really can't say the same thing about TCU or Boise State. That doesn't mean that either school couldn't compete with Bama or TCU but it does mean that to beat a Alabama or Texas they would need a lot of help.

[SunCoastSooner]

Suncoast,

What bias of mine enters into my argument that TCU is not a top level team? The initial premise that I offered was simply that TCU and Boise had not played anyone of significance nor did they appear to be teams of superior talent. My saying that they would not fare well in any BCS conference was how this originated.

I think that is pretty apparent to anyone who has watched a lot of football. However, I have friends who disagree and friends who agree.

Although I wish each of them had played a BCS team in a bowl (and either or both could have won, no doubt), I think their game the other night showed that they both have major deficiencies. Mainly in the numbers of talented kids. Neither gets the top level talent and that's just a fact.

I'm burned out on this topic. I'm not trying to sway you and you can't change my mind. Shit, man. Let's kill this thing. You can have the last word. Whatever...

The freakin' season is about to be over and I'm already depressed as hell about that. No matter what happens Thursday night.

The NBA and the NHL do not = college football. :cry:

Boise could beat both Texas and Bama on any given day. So could TCU.

Just saw this.

Yes, Boise or TCU could beat either Texas or Bama. But they wouldn't do well playing a full schedule in either conference. That's been my point all along. No doubt they could spring an upset here or there. But playing an 8-game Big 12 or SEC conference schedule would not be as kind to them as the schedule they played in their respective conferences.

The "no comparison in talent" is quite humorous. Especially considering a former starter on last years Bama team that transfered to UNA, stated the only difference in D2 football and D1 was depth and facilities.

I know you didn't mean to post that.

Oh Realllllllllyyyyyyyyyyy... it's official... you've either gone off the fucking deep end, ignorant, or just a plain simpleton moron.

Do you know how many players TCU has in the NFL? Twenty... that would be more players than over half the SEC programs currently in the league (hell while I'm on that soap box both BYU and Utah have more players in the NFL than half of the schools in the SEC). If you compared TCU's numbers in the NFL draft to the SEC or just outright tossed them in as the "13th team" over the last five years only THREE SEC teams have had more players drafted (LSU & Georgia with 28, and Florida with 20) and ONE with as many (Allbarn with 19), Eight teams have fewer draft picks than TCU (Tennessee 17, Alabama 16, SoCar 15, Arkansas 14, Ole Miss 10, Vanderbilt 7, Kentucky 6, Miss State 4).

In the 2009 draft the only SEC team with more players drafted than TCU was South Carolina with seven; both LSU and Florida had as many with six.

In the second tier of Professional football up in he CFL TCU has more players in that league than any of the SEC schools with eight (including two starters on the Grey Cup champion Edmonton Eskimos). And don't come back with any BS about how the SEC and its players are just too horty torty and superior for the CFL because eleven SEC institutions are represented in the league as well (especially South Carolina, Auburn, and Tennessee who all have five players on rosters).

Talking heads may churn out the bullshit that you swallow wholeheartedly while saying "Thank you may I have some SEC Cock for desert as well?" but the facts don't back up the bullshit you're passing around the table to the rest of us. The professionals who get paid six figure salaries to evaluate the talent for the pro franchises obviously don't agree in your supposed, and fictional, supreme talent gap between the almighty worshipful SEC schools and lil ole deficient and untalented Texas Christian.

BTW I'm pretty sure I can hear Ladainian Tomlinson telling you to eat a dick about not getting top level talent right now down the hall from the adults table.

[Killian]

Talking heads may churn out the bullshit that you swallow wholeheartedly while saying "Thank you may I have some SEC Cock for desert as well?" but the facts don't back up the bullshit you're passing around the table to the rest of us. The professionals who get paid six figure salaries to evaluate the talent for the pro franchises obviously don't agree in your supposed, and fictional, supreme talent gap between the almighty worshipful SEC schools and lil ole deficient and untalented Texas Christian.

BTW I'm pretty sure I can hear Ladainian Tomlinson telling you to eat a dick about not getting top level talent right now down the hall from the adults table.

Might want to throw "Big 12" in there with the "SEC", and direct it at Vito.

[SunCoastSooner]

Do you know how many players TCU has in the NFL? Twenty... that would be more players than over half the SEC programs currently in the league

Putting them squarely in the middle of the pack talent-wise which was pretty much the whole fucking point, idiot. In any event, the question was how many players ON THIS TCU roster are going to be drafted vs how many ON THE CURRENT Alabama roster.

You have solidified yourself as being completely full of shit but I guess as long as you can suck your own dick you're happy.

Damn, and here I was expecting Sammy, with his overzealous nature to be the dumbass who opened up this door... Most of the non-bandwagoners on this board are pretty much aware when I am suckering in a moron like fish on the line. I don't seem to recall you receiving your bimonthly running from the BTCFB forum so I guess this will have to suffice.

I'm actually glad you asked this question... I'm not going to pay ESPuNs Insider fees to see their entire draft boards but CBS has a pretty damn cool one that projects future drafts as well so I guess I will go by it. I figure 32 teams at 7 rounds is 224 draft picks by my math so I stopped each year at the 250 player on the board. Obviously some of these things could change down the road if people decide to leave early but going by what class they are in now...

In the upcoming draft- Alabama: is predicted to have five major candidates to be drafted... the 24th overall and #4 at his position, 45th OA and 6th POS, 54th OA and 3rd POS, 173rd OA and 8th, 175th OA and 1st POS (a Kicker). - TCU: 26th OA and 5th POS, 211th OA, and 16 POS, 215th OA and 23rd POS. Five to Three Alabama'a advantage... Ahhhh but wait there's more good sir.

In the 2011 projected class (which they only give positional ranking for and not overall for "future" draft classes)- Alabama: 1st POS, 6th POS, 14thPOS - TCU: 6 POS, 7 POS, 8 POS, 11 POS, 11 POS... well hell it looks like tables are reversed here with the advantage being TCU by the same margin Five to Three.

2012- Alabama: 1 POS, 1 POS, 2 POS, 10 POS - TCU: 2 POS, 5 POS, 6 POS, 10 POS, 15 POS... Now by my arithmetic that's a five to four advantage for TCU (and granted this far down the road it's all conjecture but still) and damn near equal as many players being selected to NFL teams over the next three years.

Thanks for being our subject in whack-a-tard mvBandwagon.

Might want to throw "Big 12" in there with the "SEC", and direct it at Vito.

Damn I took the week off this week for some much needed R&R and all I have done the last two days is hunt down statistics, look at schedules, and argue in here... granted it's colder than I have ever felt it in this neck of the woods this week but I probably should do something else at some point... though I probably won't and will end up hunting this down for you and vincent as well most likely.

[SunCoastSooner]

Do you know how many players TCU has in the NFL? Twenty...

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... chool/6820
Wrong. 15.

that would be more players than over half the SEC programs currently in the league (hell while I'm on that soap box both BYU and Utah have more players in the NFL than half of the schools in the SEC).

Wrong. BYU has 19.


Florida - 38
Georgia - 45
Kentucky - 10
South Carolina - 24
Tennessee - 38
Vanderbilt - 13
Alabama - 29
Arkansas - 21
Auburn - 34
LSU - 50
Ole Miss - 22
Mississippi State - 22

BYU and TCU have more player in the NFL than only 2 (two) SEC teams.

I'm not reading the rest of what you posted for fear that it's as incorrect as the above information. At least provide the link to your information.

Another article you won't like:
http://www.houmatoday.com/article/20080 ... ming-from-

Something else you won't like:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_NCAA_con ... as_of_2007

I got mine from the official NFL website.

TCU 20
Alabama 24
Arkansas 16
Auburn 28
Florida 37
Georgia 43
Ole Miss 18
Miss State 18
SoCar 19
Tennessee 36
Vandy 12
LSU 41
Kentucky 7
BYU 18
Utah 19

Edit: The houma article is interesting... I was most shocked about the Big 10 and receivers... but I have only just glossed it over.

Edit 2: could it be possible that your or my link does or does not count mid-season activated players and or one or the other counting practice team roster players as well or not?

[SunCoastSooner]

Do you know how many players TCU has in the NFL? Twenty...

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... chool/6820
Wrong. 15.

that would be more players than over half the SEC programs currently in the league (hell while I'm on that soap box both BYU and Utah have more players in the NFL than half of the schools in the SEC).

Wrong. BYU has 19.


Florida - 38
Georgia - 45
Kentucky - 10
South Carolina - 24
Tennessee - 38
Vanderbilt - 13
Alabama - 29
Arkansas - 21
Auburn - 34
LSU - 50
Ole Miss - 22
Mississippi State - 22

BYU and TCU have more player in the NFL than only 2 (two) SEC teams.

I'm not reading the rest of what you posted for fear that it's as incorrect as the above information. At least provide the link to your information.

Another article you won't like:
http://www.houmatoday.com/article/20080 ... ming-from-

Something else you won't like:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_NCAA_con ... as_of_2007

I got mine from the official NFL website.

TCU 20
Alabama 24
Arkansas 16
Auburn 28
Florida 37
Georgia 43
Ole Miss 18
Miss State 18
SoCar 19
Tennessee 36
Vandy 12
LSU 41
Kentucky 7
BYU 18
Utah 19

Edit: The houma article is interesting... I was most shocked about the Big 10 and receivers... but I have only just glossed it over.

Edit 2: could it be possible that your or my link does or does not count mid-season activated players and or one or the other counting practice team roster players as well or not?

There's also a lot of volatility in NFL line ups... I could see how numbers can fluctuate depending on at what point the website updates the information and which players on active rosters, IR, etc. I decided to test out the theory I mentioned in my edit and I looked on the link you provided for me for a player I know is on a team but is not on the active roster. CBS.com still has Reggie Smith listed as a member of the SF 49ers though he is only on the practice squad now. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/pl ... ggie-smith

[SunCoastSooner]

What link were you using at nfl.com?

I just went down the rosters... why do you think it took me so damn long to post my reply.

[SunCoastSooner]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/college/_/letter/t

Even this one shows 14 for TCU and 15 for BYU.

Florida - 32
UGA - 39
Kentucky - 7
SC - 20
Tenn - 36
Vandy - 12
Alabama - 24
Arkansas - 17
Auburn - 28
LSU - 41
Ole Miss - 20
Miss St. - 20

For fuck's sake, you just said BYU had 19 players in the NFL a moment ago... make up your fucking mind so I can make mine up, damn it!!! :D

And none of those match your set of original numbers or mine (well not entirely the ones I got but your second link was actually closer to the numbers I came up with from NFL.com). Three different sites now and we have three different sets of numbers.


Set 1 (NFL.com, SCS)

TCU 20
Alabama 24*
Arkansas 16
Auburn 28*
Florida 37
Georgia 43
Ole Miss 18
Miss State 18
SoCar 19
Tennessee 36*
Vandy 12*
LSU 41*
Kentucky 7*
BYU 18
Utah 19

Set 2 (CBS, spray)

Florida - 38
Georgia - 45
Kentucky - 10
South Carolina - 24
Tennessee - 38
Vanderbilt - 13
Alabama - 29
Arkansas - 21
Auburn - 34
LSU - 50
Ole Miss - 22
Mississippi State - 22

Set 3 (ESPN, Spray)

Florida - 32
UGA - 39
Kentucky - 7*
SC - 20
Tenn - 36*
Vandy - 12*
Alabama - 24*
Arkansas - 17
Auburn - 28*
LSU - 41*
Ole Miss - 20
Miss St. - 20

I put cute little stars next to any numbers that appear to match so they are easily identified for you southern folk. :wink:

Are you just trying to confuse me into submission or trying to troll me at this point?

The only thing you're proving to me so far is that apparently nobody is quite sure how many players are in the NFL from just about anywhere. How about this for a solution we take each team and each sites set of numbers and toss them in a hat, whichever name and set we pull out first we work with from here on out... I'll get you some scissors and crayons so you can get on this very important project ASAP.

I think I have him occupied for a little while guys, lets talk some football.

[SunCoastSooner]

For somebody that actually says he went through each roster (where's that life, boy?), as you said - there are many factors. I'm thinking the CBS site shows how many were in at the beginning of the season. I've shown 2 sites that don't agree with you.

Regardless, TCU doesn't have more NFL players than half of the SEC. While their numbers are respectable, you can clearly see that they are in line with the bottom third of the SEC. The SEC has far more players in the NFL than any other conference. This is why the SEC sucks so bad.

Whatever you say, Chief. :wink:

I took some personal time this week so no work worries for a bit. I wanted it to take it in two weeks but we're going to have important clients down from Chicago and St. Louis that week that, unfortunately, I have to be around for much of. :(

You've also shown a site that doesn't agree with you, and I showed you a site that didn't agree with either. Your conclusion would depend on which site's numbers are accurate. All three differ in some respects.

Nobody has said the SEC sucks, the majority of people have said that it is not as powerful this year as it has been in previous years, it's an average conference this season.

I also think you're probably wrong about the CBS being from just the beginning of the season because it still has Jammal Brown listed as an active member of the Saints and he was hurt wellllllll before the beginning of the season.

[M Club]

When are you fuckers going to realize every single word M Club slaps up on here is bleeding with sarcasm?

Never.

Sin,
Van

van = piccolo

[SunCoastSooner]

For somebody that actually says he went through each roster (where's that life, boy?), as you said - there are many factors. I'm thinking the CBS site shows how many were in at the beginning of the season. I've shown 2 sites that don't agree with you.

Regardless, TCU doesn't have more NFL players than half of the SEC. While their numbers are respectable, you can clearly see that they are in line with the bottom third of the SEC. The SEC has far more players in the NFL than any other conference. This is why the SEC sucks so bad.

Whatever you say, Chief. :wink:

I took some personal time this week so no work worries for a bit. I wanted it to take it in two weeks but we're going to have important clients down from Chicago and St. Louis that week that, unfortunately, I have to be around for much of. :(

You've also shown a site that doesn't agree with you, and I showed you a site that didn't agree with either. Your conclusion would depend on which site's numbers are accurate. All three differ in some respects.

Nobody has said the SEC sucks, the majority of people have said that it is not as powerful this year as it has been in previous years, it's an average conference this season.

I also think you're probably wrong about the CBS being from just the beginning of the season because it still has Jammal Brown listed as an active member of the Saints and he was hurt wellllllll before the beginning of the season.

Wanna bet which conference will have the most players in the draft in April? :D

I'll bet you a sig bet that the Big 12 has more first round picks than the SEC.

[Vito Corleone]

Talking heads may churn out the bullshit that you swallow wholeheartedly while saying "Thank you may I have some SEC Cock for desert as well?" but the facts don't back up the bullshit you're passing around the table to the rest of us. The professionals who get paid six figure salaries to evaluate the talent for the pro franchises obviously don't agree in your supposed, and fictional, supreme talent gap between the almighty worshipful SEC schools and lil ole deficient and untalented Texas Christian.

BTW I'm pretty sure I can hear Ladainian Tomlinson telling you to eat a dick about not getting top level talent right now down the hall from the adults table.

Might want to throw "Big 12" in there with the "SEC", and direct it at Vito.

Can if you want but Texas currently has 42 guys earning an NFL paycheck. I believe that is more than BSU & TCU combined.

I think we are currently tops in the NFL, not doing too bad in the NBA either.

If I'm not mistaken Texas should be adding about 9 more this season with McCoy, Shipley, Kindle, Muck, Thomas, Ulatoski, Hall, Houston, and Thomas.

[SunCoastSooner]

Talking heads may churn out the bullshit that you swallow wholeheartedly while saying "Thank you may I have some SEC Cock for desert as well?" but the facts don't back up the bullshit you're passing around the table to the rest of us. The professionals who get paid six figure salaries to evaluate the talent for the pro franchises obviously don't agree in your supposed, and fictional, supreme talent gap between the almighty worshipful SEC schools and lil ole deficient and untalented Texas Christian.

BTW I'm pretty sure I can hear Ladainian Tomlinson telling you to eat a dick about not getting top level talent right now down the hall from the adults table.

Might want to throw "Big 12" in there with the "SEC", and direct it at Vito.

Can if you want but Texas currently has 42 guys earning an NFL paycheck. I believe that is more than BSU & TCU combined.

I think we are currently tops in the NFL, not doing too bad in the NBA either.

If I'm not mistaken Texas should be adding about 9 more this season with McCoy, Shipley, Kindle, Muck, Thomas, Ulatoski, Hall, Houston, and Thomas.

I can tell you now you're definitely mistaken, it isn't Texas... it is pretty common knowledge that Miami and LSU have more players in the NFL than any other schools... Fox and CBS only mention this about two or three times a month in one of their broadcasts.

[Killian]

When are you fuckers going to realize every single word M Club slaps up on here is bleeding with sarcasm?

Never.

Sin,
Van

van = piccolo

Does that make you Gayle Sayers?

[M Club]

give me three yards of daylight..

though, i didn't inherit the jew fro half of the family genetics, so maybe that means i'm not gayle sayers. plus, i run a 7.2 40.

[Felix]

Until we have a playoff, we'll never know who could beat who. Screw it.

[Vito Corleone]

I can tell you now you're definitely mistaken, it isn't Texas... it is pretty common knowledge that Miami and LSU have more players in the NFL than any other schools... Fox and CBS only mention this about two or three times a month in one of their broadcasts.

According to this site you fox and cbs are fucking morons.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/college/_/letter/m

Texas - 42
LSU - 41
Miami - 40

Now run back to eating your bag of dicks

[SunCoastSooner]

I can tell you now you're definitely mistaken, it isn't Texas... it is pretty common knowledge that Miami and LSU have more players in the NFL than any other schools... Fox and CBS only mention this about two or three times a month in one of their broadcasts.

According to this site you fox and cbs are fucking morons.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/college/_/letter/m

Texas - 42
LSU - 41
Miami - 40

Now run back to eating your bag of dicks

Congrats on choking just like your team did... on that bag of dicks. Miami has 46 players in the NFL, more pro bowlers than any other school as well.

[PrimeX]

Texas choked???

Please explain that to me. In detail.

[SunCoastSooner]

I can tell you now you're definitely mistaken, it isn't Texas... it is pretty common knowledge that Miami and LSU have more players in the NFL than any other schools... Fox and CBS only mention this about two or three times a month in one of their broadcasts.

According to this site you fox and cbs are fucking morons.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/college/_/letter/m

Texas - 42
LSU - 41
Miami - 40

Now run back to eating your bag of dicks

Congrats on choking just like your team did... on that bag of dicks. Miami has 46 players in the NFL, more pro bowlers than any other school as well.

Texass... http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... chool/6882 Texass

Miami... http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... chool/5815


Courtesy of Spray... go fuck yourself Vincent.