New Arizona Immigration Law

[Stanley Pickkkle]

If I was Der Führer auf der Vereinigte Staaten....I would round up and purge all lawyers...with the exception of 88.



And by purge....I leave up to your imagination.

[smackaholic]

smackaholic:

The tissues were for you to cry into. But you can use them for any purpose you deem appropriate.

You said that "scumbag lawyers" run everything, and that they are a "protected class with their bullshit bar associations."

You might be right on the scumbag lawyers running everything. But most bar associations don't do shit. I'm not a member of any of them. I think you are confused. I can't speak to every State in the Union, but in every State I am familiary with, the highest court in the State establishes minimum competency requirements (e.g., passing a bar examination) that must be demonstrated before a person is authorized to practice law on behalf of others within the State. Bar associations can make recommendations regarding the content of and form of the exam. But it is ultimately a decision made by the highest court.

I'm as Libertarian as they come (except when it comes to the notion of selling our National Parks etc.), but I also recognize that government has some obligations. Professional licenses are fine with me because the ordinary consumer does not have the ability to ascertain whether the "professional" has the competency to provide the needed services.

which is why i don't have a problem with licensing organizations as a means of measuring the competency of someone. I do have a problem however with the state mandating that one have said license to practice. if people want to take their chances with unlicensed folks, it should be their decision.

[Smackie Chan]

And congradulations, T1B. So far, you're the only media source I've seen with voices offering agreeable veiws to Az's new law.

It's a sure sign that the apocalypse is upon us when T1B is the voice of reason.

[Raider Loco]

Yes let's get all of these Canadians out of this country!

[smackaholic]

i say we just annex the whole fukkin' place right down to that fukking moat we already dug about a century ago.

it would take a few years to unfukk the place, but, seems like it might be a better option than continuing to allow our lawless neighbor's out of control party to continue to spill over into our yard.

[Wolfman]

Of course, I suppose cops could ask someone for proof that they have health insurance first, and then ask if they're in the country legally.

[Goober McTuber]

Of course, I suppose cops could ask someone for proof that they have health insurance first, and then ask if they're in the country legally.

What is with the
italics? Is this a
new posting style
for you?
--What was wrong
with the old one?

[mvscal]

Crazy times.

[OCmike]

auf der vereinigten Staten"

Eliminated...auf Deutsch

[indyfrisco]

I just wish they'd pass some kind of law stating that for every illegal immigrant who is "outed and deported," he or she who outs them will receive $100. The legal spics would be lining up to turn their cousins in to the feds, and it'd be a hell of a lot cheaper than just about anything else. The other side of the coin is if you turn someone in who turns out to be legal, YOU have to pay $500. That can help fund the cost of turning in the illegals.

Sounds too simple I know, but it would work.

[Mikey]

Does something have to be unconstitutional in order for it to be a bad law?


An Arizona sheriff said today that he has "no intention of complying" with the state's controversial new immigration law, calling it "abominable" and a "national embarrassment."

Somebody needs to sick Arpaio on this guy.

[Smackie Chan]

perhaps we should empower every law enforcement officer in the country to decide which laws he/she deems to good and which laws he/she deems to be bad, and then let them enforce the good laws and ignore the bad laws as they see fit.

That's pretty much how it's already done. It's just that most sheriffs aren't stupid enough to publicly proclaim it.

[Mikey]

perhaps we should empower every law enforcement officer in the country to decide which laws he/she deems to good and which laws he/she deems to be bad, and then let them enforce the good laws and ignore the bad laws as they see fit.

That's pretty much how it's already done. It's just that most sheriffs aren't stupid enough to publicly proclaim it.

Exactly, and it would be pretty naive to think otherwise.

How many laws do you see broken every day, which are not enforced?

Every driver on I-5 around here in the morning, at least until it backs up, is breaking the speed limit.

When I was living in Vegas the Sheriff stated publicly that he doesn't have enough manpower to enforce traffic laws and wouldn't do so unless an accident was involved. Running red lights there is a hallowed tradition. My wife once got rear-ended by some guy because he assumed she would run a red and allow him to do it too. And then the asshole acted like it was her fault because she stopped.

[Mikey]

I never said that I would, or that anybody should, use it as a defense.

The fact is, though, that these laws are often not (almost never?) enforced, at the discretion of the authorities.

[PSUFAN]

The other day in WPA, State Troopers handed out 100+ speeding citations on I-79. They mentioned in a press release afterward that they didn't cite anyone for going under 80.

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/new ... etail.html

Obviously they can cite speeders or not cite them for reason of their own...but upon occasion, they are indeed working with a number in mind, arbitrary though it may be.

[Smackie Chan]

The people of the State of Arizona, through their elected legislature, have not enacted a law giving a private citizen a right to go to court to seek enforcement of traffic laws. But they did do that with respect to these new immigration laws. Cops have no discretion whether to strictly enforce this law.

The state enacted the law for the very reason you cite as being indiscretionary - the "cops" at the Federal level "chose" not to enforce immigration laws. If the Federal laws were enforced as they should be, employers who knowingly or negligently hire illegal aliens should be punished, and if done so on a large enough scale with severe enough penalties, the problem of illegal border crossings and the breaking of immigration laws would go away. Without the lure of jobs or benefits, there'd be no reason for 'em to come here, nor would there have been a reason for AZ to enact their own law. This is just one example, and frankly the traffic enforcement issue isn't a good one. But there are plenty of other local and regional laws that are selectively unenforced, with law enforcement officials exercising tacit and unwritten discretion.

[Wolfman]

Los Angeles mayor Antonio Villaraigosa wants his city to boycott Arizona. Accordingly, the Dodgers will refuse to hit any pitches from Diamondbacks pitchers for the remainder of the year.

[Truman]

Turn this one over in your head for a second. If you sneaked across the border into any other country on Earth, would you think you have a right NOT to be stopped by that country's law enforcement personnel and, if you could not provide some proof of citizenship, then be escorted the fuck out of the country? Would you think you were entitled to receive benefits and protections afforded to that country's citizens notwithstanding your illegal entry and status? Why is that different for Mexicans/Central Americans who sneak into the United States? Aren't the citizens of Arizona entitled to enact laws attempting to discourage and stem the flow of illegal immigrants into their state?

We have legal immigration. People who want to immigrate to this country can do so, and we can check out their backgrounds and make a decision on granting them entry and citizenship according to law. The Arizona laws do not attack or affect legal immigration in any way. They simply attempt to prohibit and criminalize that which is alreadly illegal. What is the problem?

RACk 88.

This is the kind of wording that needs to be used in addressing this issue. In fact, I'd like to see 88's above quote appear for discussion in my local newspaers opinions page.

The word "fuck" would have to be omitted, of course. But bottom line- I think the above quote is what should be carved in stone and followed to a T.

Elwood: "Arizona Nazis."
Jake: "I hate Arizona Nazis."

Michelle Malkin does a nice job here expanding on 88's take. BTW, when they weren't obliterating private industry through nationalization and regulation and generally threatening the civil liberties of its citizenry, the Nazis busied themselves by rounding up folks to prevent them from freely leaving their borders... Not to kick 'em out. Subtle distinction.

[Moving Sale]

I was listening to Thom Hartmann tonight. As usual, he was talking out his ass about what this law supposedly says.

Care to link us up with an explanation as to why?

Does anyone opposed to this law mind point out the part that is so offensive?

You have been told the reasons. You don't want to listen, that is clear, but please don't act like you don't know. THAT is offensive.

Notice how Karl doesn't identify any constitutional issues?

Again, why are you feigning ignorance? You are feigning right? I can think of at least three arguments. I can also think of the counters to those arguments so I'm at least two steps ahead of you.

Somethings never change.

Smackie,
This place it not the only 'voice of reason.' Hannity Malkin Inghram Rush and other real 'Mericans are on the case. You can rest easy.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Your country is going to shit. Glad you singled out the weakest, most defenceless element to scapegoat.

Fucking banana republic.

[Mikey]

Glad you singled out the weakest, most defenceless element to scapegoat.

Canadians? :?

[Raider Loco]

Just imagine how many yards are going to look like shit this year in Az!

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

You beat me.

Need a towel?

Beat off in your own towel, Todd.

[Dinsdale]

No shit. At least the Lower Canadians are smart enough to attempt to move where shit actually grows, and resources are plentiful year round.


Canatard -- how does it feel to live in such a frozen shithole that even the Mexicans won't live there?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

No shit. At least the Lower Canadians are smart enough to attempt to move where shit actually grows, and resources are plentiful year round.


Canatard -- how does it feel to live in such a frozen shithole that even the Mexicans won't live there?

Our cold weather is like an invisible force field against dumbfucks...

hence ------> you are down there

[Moving Sale]

Pick up any of his books that have been in print for more than ten years and read what he predicted. Then, when you get done laughing, you can debate his current rants.

Don't just flail in the wind and make wild accusations. What kind of "game" is that? Link us up.

He says the current law empowers Arizona law enforcement officials to kick in the doors of any dwelling in the State of Arizona (wearing Jack Boots, no doubt), and unless "papers" can be found on their possession that establishg their citizenship, they can be deposited over the border into Mexico.

You talking about his conversation with Greg Palast on the 26th?

He lies 99.9% of the time. His callers are the most uneducated dunderheads on the planet.

Of course you are going to link us up with proof of those two accusation too right? Or would actual facts "expose the weakness of your arguments?"

It is like someone gave a stuttering communist an honorary professorship with instructions to teach the insipidly stupid how to lose arguments.

Again. Why?

This is your typical, only, and pathetic game (which is an insult to the word "game"). Rather than expose the weakness of your (three? see below) arguments, you simply argue that the arguments have been presented and need not be presented again. That is powerful, dog. Not.

Hey dumbass I don't find it offensive. Learn to fucking read. I said you have been told and you have. Some people find it racist. You know that. You've know that since before you posted this thread. Instead of speaking to that subject you act all dumb and shit and post 'why why why?'

And "somethings" is a word that you appear to have difficulty using properly in a sentence.

Typo smack. How quaint.
You REALLY can't find the arguments that are going to be use against this law? Really? And you TOOK a Con Law class and passed it?

I'll set them up for you if you are really that dumb. Just thought I would give you a chance to show us how smart you are but I doubt THAT will ever happen.

[mvscal]

Seems to be working already. Good job, AZ. Now maybe the rest the Union can get in on the act and get these goddamn bums the fuck out of our country.

{Illegal} Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law
At Least 100,000 Illegal Immigrants Flee the State Fearing Legislation; Some Citizens Angered by Financial Impact

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/ ... 7212.shtml

[Goober McTuber]

Seems to be working already. Good job, AZ. Now maybe the rest the Union can get in on the act and get these goddamn bums the fuck out of our country.

{Illegal} Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law
At Least 100,000 Illegal Immigrants Flee the State Fearing Legislation; Some Citizens Angered by Financial Impact

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/ ... 7212.shtml

It doesn't sound like they're leaving the country, just the state of Arizona. Many will undoubtedly head to California. Cheers.

[Q, West Coast Style]

"Papers please."

[Dinsdale]

I keep hearing this "do you have your papers" argument.

WTF?

I'm pretty sure that if I were pulled over or had any other police contact in Arizona, or any other state, I'm pretty fucking sure my pasty-white ass would have to produce some sort of ID as well.

And as far as Q's silly cartoon -- guess what? If Mexico had the abilility to take the US by force, we'd all be speaking Spanish right now. Losing in military conflicts has repercussions. Whine about it to your heart's content, but it's a universal truth in human history, and that's not changing any time soon.

[Goober McTuber]

And as far as Q's silly cartoon -- guess what? If Mexico had the abilility to take the US by force, we'd all be speaking Spanish right now. Losing in military conflicts has repercussions. Whine about it to your heart's content, but it's a universal truth in human history, and that's not changing any time soon.

I didn't realize there were Mexicans in the original colonies.

[Raider Loco]

I wonder if this terrorist scumbag in the NY car bomb plot crossed through Mexico? Fuck you AZ!

[Raider Loco]

I keep hearing this "do you have your papers" argument.

WTF?

I'm pretty sure that if I were pulled over or had any other police contact in Arizona, or any other state, I'm pretty fucking sure my pasty-white ass would have to produce some sort of ID as well.

I'm pretty fucking sure your pasty-white ass is not going to get pulled over because of that same pasty-white ass.

[Moving Sale]

Seems to be working already.

You are an idiot because you are stupier than this guy...

It doesn't sound like they're leaving the country, just the state of Arizona. Many will undoubtedly head to California. Cheers.

Your first clue was what? That neither person said they were going back to Mexico?

Dins,
Please tell me you know why they ask for your papers when you are pulled over. Please.

[Goober McTuber]

Your first clue was what? That neither person said they were going back to Mexico?

No. Because nobody indicated they were returning to Mexico, you tedious little human tick.

[Dinsdale]

Dins,
Please tell me you know why they ask for your papers when you are pulled over. Please.

Yes, I know. No, I won't tell you. You're not capable of any sort of intelligent discussion, and until such a time that you are, you probably shouldn't expect much of a response from anyone, Little Napolean.

[Moving Sale]

That's the same thing asshat.

[Dinsdale]

I didn't realize there were Mexicans in the original colonies.

Me either.

There were Native Americans, though -- and they lost their land by force.

Seeing how that very simple analogy works, douchetwat?

[Mikey]

I didn't realize there were Mexicans in the original colonies.

Me either.

There were Native Americans, though -- and they lost their land by force.

Seeing how that very simple analogy works, douchetwat?

They didn't consider the land to be "their" land. They were one with the land and coexisted with it.

If anybody owned the land at that time it was probably Gramdmother Tree.

They never fought amongst themselves before the Europeans came.
They lived a peaceful and prosperous life because there was always plenty of game and forage to go around.

Just wanted to set things straight about how the Native Americans actually lived.

[Dinsdale]

Wow, Mikey, that's one warm, fuzzy description of pre-Columbian Americans.

It's complete. Utter. Out-of-your-ass. Bullshit...

But warm and fuzzy, nonetheless.


Uhm... Mohawks (cannibals in the pre-Columbian times)? Hiawatha? Ever heard of them?