New Arizona Immigration Law

[smackaholic]

I didn't realize there were Mexicans in the original colonies.

Me either.

There were Native Americans, though -- and they lost their land by force.

Seeing how that very simple analogy works, douchetwat?

They didn't consider the land to be "their" land. They were one with the land and coexisted with it.

If anybody owned the land at that time it was probably Gramdmother Tree.

They never fought amongst themselves before the Europeans came.
They lived a peaceful and prosperous life because there was always plenty of game and forage to go around.

Just wanted to set things straight about how the Native Americans actually lived.

please tell me you're trolling.

i know you're a lefty hippie and all but, i thought you were at least a fairly bright one.

humans everywhere have scrapped over stuff pretty much since we've been around.

why?

don't know, but, we do, just like pretty much every other species on the planet.

the injuns are no different.

[Dinsdale]

BTW -- the natives in the valley I live in used to burn down the forest to make more room for the roots and berries they ate to grow. They had a big beef with trees.

They used to gill net small streams for 4 or 5 years straight until "the gods took all the fish away."


The U&L natives were a bunch of environmental butchers (who then started butchering Whitey when he showed up).


I can't believe Mikey even posted that horseshit.


Uhm, Mikey -- you DO know that the Mohawks used to kill and eat each other and their enemies, right? The practice was stopped before Columbus ever showed up.

[Mikey]

You do realize that all the animals in the forest used to come up and eat of their hand too, right?

[Mikey]

Here's an actual picture of Grandmother Willow with Pocahontas.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

WHOAH! HOLY RACCOONS!

[Mikey]

Stay away from my pool

Only American coons area allowed. No Canadians.

[mvscal]

It doesn't sound like they're leaving the country, just the state of Arizona. Many will undoubtedly head to California. Cheers.

And that influx will increase pressure on already strained social services in those states which will necesarily result in more state laws of this nature. It might also embarass the Feds into getting off their fucking asses and doing their jobs.

The situation on the southern border is so far out of fucking control that it is going to take the military to secure it.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

My offer still stands.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

I keep hearing this "do you have your papers" argument.

Take that one up with Congress. It has been the law for 70 years.

And you'd know they were an alien how exactly?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

And you'd know they were an alien how exactly?

By investigating....bold new practice that our law enforcement peeps use down here.

I keep hearing this "do you have your papers" argument.

WTF?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Stay up in your "tree", dumbfuck, and don't come down.

Please, try not to use correspondences with me to re-invent yourself here at T1B.
I've noticed you trying to turn into a "new Todd" these last few months. I ain't interested and I ain't convinced.

Go breathe into a plastic bag until you die, queerbait.

[Mikey]

And you'd know they were an alien how exactly?

The antennae of course.

[indyfrisco]

Marty,

You got a problem with this situation?

Spic: speeding

Cop: pulls over spic So, why were you speeding tonight?

Spic: No hablo Ingles!

Cop: Senior, muéstrame alguna identificación!

Spic: No ID!

Cop: Back to Mexico for you.

Of course, you have no problem with this scenario. Does not affect your Cannuk ass. You just love playing libtard because the AZ law is beneficial to us taxpayers who support these illegal scabs.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Marty,

You got a problem with this situation?

Spic: speeding

Cop: pulls over spic So, why were you speeding tonight?

Spic: No hablo Ingles!

Cop: Senior, muéstrame alguna identificación!

Spic: No ID!

Cop: Back to Mexico for you.

Of course, you have no problem with this scenario. Does not affect your Cannuk ass. You just love playing libtard because the AZ law is beneficial to us taxpayers who support these illegal scabs.

You qualify your argument by assuming the ID check will always follow a legitimate police stop.

I'm asking, how do you spot the alien, to ask them for ID in the first place to know if their legal or not?

You're begging for a national;, biometric ID card, aren't you?

[indyfrisco]

Would it rest assure you that if there was a roadblock/checkpoint randomly set up where all that may pass must show ID I would support?

Are you against racial profiling? I assume you are. But why? If the authorities conclude young white males to be a threat, I'd be fine with having to produce my ID. Hell, I have to take my shoes off to get on a plane because some dicklick tried to bomb a plane with a shoe bomb.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Enjoy Checkpoint Charlie for the rest of your life then.

[Van]

I never get stopped by cops, yet I always "carry papers" anyway. I always have my ID on me. If I can be bothered to "carry papers," then why wouldn't someone who's likely to get stopped also carry papers?

I sure as hell wouldn't care if I were stopped by a cop who asked me to show my ID. I'd just show it to him, he'd run a quick check on me, and we'd both be back on our way.

I also don't care if a cop wants to search my car or home. I have nothing to hide, and after they're through with me the likelihood is that they'll leave me alone from then on.

On the other hand, if I don't have legal residency here and I do have something to hide, then yes, I suppose I would be rather irked at having a cop stop me to ask for ID.

Too fucking bad. If you cannot prove you belong here, you don't belong here. You're either legal or you're not. If you're not, STFU and take whatever treatment you receive at the hands of those citizens whose laws you're violating.

[indyfrisco]

Enjoy Checkpoint Charlie for the rest of your life then.

I would rather Checkpoint Charlie than Healthcare/Welfare Paco. At least at Checkpoint Charlie, all I have to do is flash my ID and be on my way. As for Paco, well, I gotta flash my credit card and pay for his illegal beaner ass.

[Mikey]

I also don't care if a cop wants to search my car or home.

I don't believe that.

[Van]

Why not? What do I care? What's he going to find? A basketball and some snow chains? Is he going to run me in for having a Joe Bonamassa CD?

[Moving Sale]

Yes, I know.

And yet you typed in your shit analogy anyways. Try making yourself the passenger next time dolt.

Van,
A) You have never seen a house after the cops came in and 'looked around' have you?

B) Client of mine was asked to search his car, he said no and the cop replied with the standard "hiding something' meme. So my guy says "no and I'll tell you what. Let me rummage thru your OL's panties drawer first, then let me see your txt log and your grandma's medicine cabinet and we have a deal." There was no search. I still needle the cop from time to time about it.

[Screw_Michigan]

Why not? What do I care? What's he going to find? A basketball and some snow chains? Is he going to run me in for having a Joe Bonamassa CD?

A police state sounds right up your alley.

[Smackie Chan]

I also don't care if a cop wants to search my car or home.

Do you offer them milk & cookies before suggesting that a cavity search might be in order?

[Dinsdale]

Would it rest assure you that if there was a roadblock/checkpoint randomly set up where all that may pass must show ID I would support?

Over my dead body.

Something about being secure in my person, house, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches...

Or something like that.

[BSmack]

Is he going to run me in for having a Joe Bonamassa CD?

Ah yes, Smokin Joe Bonamassa. Utica's answer to the question "Can a child guitar prodigy ever have soul?"

The answer is no.

[Steve Vai]

Is he going to run me in for having a Joe Bonamassa CD?

I thought we've been through this...

[Screw_Michigan]

Would it rest assure you

English, please.

Would it rest assure you that if there was a roadblock/checkpoint randomly set up where all that may pass must show ID I would support?

How wholly un-American of you. Why do you hate America?

[Van]

Screw, it's also un-American - or at least it's supposed to be - to allow illegal aliens to run amok in our country. We are supposed to be a nation ruled by codified law, are we not? Illegals are here illegally, aren't they?

[BSmack]

Screw, it's also un-American - or at least it's supposed to be - to allow illegal aliens to run amok in our country. We are supposed to be a nation ruled by codified law, are we not? Illegals are here illegally, aren't they?

If we Americans were a nation of law abiding folks, we would have never had a revolution to begin with.

[Van]

Really, B? Go be really obvious in breaking some laws then, and let us know how it goes.

I'd suggest starting with never paying taxes and burning all your ID. Remove all evidence that you're a legal citizen, then go live accordingly. Maybe get into a car wreck while you're partying like a rock star, and to cap it off, make certain that you're uninsured when you pile your hooptie into some housewife's minivan loaded with kids.

Once you're finally released from jail, maybe you might attend an MLB baseball game in Philadelphia, where I'd suggest you hop out onto the field and attempt to run up and shake the hand of Chase Utley.

[OCmike]

You "ID everyone that's brown" dolts are ironically fast-tracking amnesty. The quickest way for the Left to remedy all of the American Hispanics who will be illegally stopped is to make every illegal alien legal.

[Goober McTuber]

Screw, it's also un-American - or at least it's supposed to be - to allow illegal aliens to run amok in our country. We are supposed to be a nation ruled by codified law, are we not? Illegals are here illegally, aren't they?

I believe Screwball is referring to our constitutional protection from unreasonable search and seizures. Which is what Indy seemed to be suggesting, though in a language not recognized by most of us.

[Van]

Goobs, when you're in law enforcement working near the border of a country that's fairly hemorrhaging illegals into your neighborhood, define "unreasonable" as it pertains to ascertaining the legal status of Hispanic people you encounter on the street.

My guess is that you're not likely to stop the Hispanic man wearing a fine suit while driving his Benz in downtown Phoenix. Now, should you happen upon sixteen indigent-looking Hispanics loitering in front of Home Depot, that would seem to me to be a "reasonable" reason for you to request that they produce proof of their legal status in this country.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

I also don't care if a cop wants to search my car or home.

Do you offer them milk & cookies before suggesting that a cavity search might be in order?

More like:

"Hey guys, can I slap on some Vai for you while I Mazola up my turd-box? Mi latex gloves es su latex gloves."

[Van]

Marty, that well and truly sucked. Maybe you might be better served leaving the Vai jokes in the much more capable hands of Mgo and PSUFAN.

Just a friendly suggestion.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Maybe you might be better served leaving the Vai jokes in the much more capable hands of Mgo and PSUFAN.

I'm doing contract work through them. I get paid by the non-sequitur. A guy's gotta eat, you know.

[Goober McTuber]

Goobs, when you're in law enforcement working near the border of a country that's fairly hemorrhaging illegals into your neighborhood, define "unreasonable" as it pertains to ascertaining the legal status of Hispanic people you encounter on the street.

My guess is that you're not likely to stop the Hispanic man wearing a fine suit while driving his Benz in downtown Phoenix. Now, should you happen upon sixteen indigent-looking Hispanics loitering in front of Home Depot, that would seem to me to be a "reasonable" reason for you to request that they produce proof of their legal status in this country.

If you read what Indy posted, he seemed to be suggesting that he was OK with a random roadblock/checkpoint kind of situation. Let me know if I need to draw you a picture.

[BSmack]

Really, B? Go be really obvious in breaking some laws then, and let us know how it goes.

Really Van? Really? You're just going to ignore this country's hundreds of years of selective lawbreaking?

[Van]

B, yes, I am. Our nation was built on force and the ability to impose our will; something Mexico and its bedraggled citizenry streaming over our borders cannot do to us. Once our country was founded, we've always been a nation of laws. Some were enforced more strictly than others, sure, but for you to try and excuse what's going on now with the premise that we aren't a law-abiding nation is truly ridiculous.

Goobs, in places along the border where illegals are highly prevalent, no, I wouldn't have a problem with random roadblocks and checkpoints. I also wouldn't have a problem with mvscal's suggestion (prediction) of letting the military lock up our southern border once and for all. As citizens of this country, we have a right to expect our federal government to curtail the unlawful entry into this country of illegal aliens. If they are unwilling to do so, I see no problem with the state taking it upon themselves.

Where is the problem? Like 88 said, in what other country could you expect to go and blatantly flaunt your illegal status the way illegals do here? Every time I hear some nonsense about how this bill will severely damage our relationship with Mexico, I'm thinking, "So? BFD. It should be damaged. Why the fuck should we care what they think about this issue? Clean up your own house, Mexico. If we don't want your trash thrown into our yard, that's tough shit for you. Don't complain to us about it when we catch you doing it."

[Goober McTuber]

Goobs, in places along the border where illegals are highly prevalent, no, I wouldn't have a problem with random roadblocks and checkpoints.

The problem is that it's unconstitutional. Not sure why you're having such a problem comprehending this. You been taking thick lessons from Derron?