So what is going to happen to the Big XII in 2011?

[MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan]

This is something I haven't really seen discussed, at least on here. Nebraska is slated to join the Big Ten in 2011, but CU doesn't leave for the Pac until 2012. It's probably safe to assume that whatever happens with the 5 South teams, they probably won't leave until 2012 either. So how will the 2011 season play out in the Big XII(-1)? Will they petition the NCAA to keep the CCG, or will they try to play 9 conference games the way the Big Ten does now? That doesn't seem feasible, since most of the teams probably already have 4 OOC games already lined up for that season.

[MuchoBulls]

Colorado could be out after this season and in the Pac 10 in 2011.

Big 12 will have 10 teams and play 9 conference games.

[Cuda]

Despite all the happy horseshit coming out of Beebe's ass, Texas is going to the Pac, which means Oklahoma, aTm, Tech &OK State are all Ghandi too. Irv Brown says so and that's good enough for me

[mvscal]

Texas is going to the Pac,

Not so fast...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/f ... ref=sircrc

[Van]

Texas is going to the Pac,

Not so fast...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/f ... ref=sircrc

And supposedly the Pac 10 will now add Utah to put them back on an even number, giving them the CCG.

So the MWC adds Boise St while losing Utah. That leaves them still sitting on nine teams. Minus Utah, nah, they probably still don't deserve an automatic BCS bowl bid.

[MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan]

Damn. I was really hoping the "Texas & Friends" deal worked out for the Pac. It'd be awesome if the Buffs played in Tempe every other year. I know it'll never happen, but I wish there was a way that CSU could be the 12th Pac team, just to preserve the whole travel partner/in-state rival thing that all the other Pac schools have. It'll be hard trying to build a rivalry from scratch with Utah. At least they wear red... :?

[H4ever]

Texas is going to the Pac,

Not so fast...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/f ... ref=sircrc

Translation: We, Texas, realize we ain't going to run shit in the PAC 10, or any other conference we shopped around in. Yes, we are the school that started the Big 12 down this slippery slope by contacting THREE major conferences about a possible move, AFTER we told the rest of the Big 12 to go fuck itself when it comes to media rights concerning a lucrative, Big 12 network for television.

"A person with direct knowledge of discussions among the Big 12's remaining members said Texas is clear to set up its own TV network and keep all proceeds in exchange for remaining in the Big 12. The person spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because final details had not been worked out."

^^^^ Just fucking perfect.


Nebraska will pull in a cool 20 Mill per season after it joins the Big 10...a much better academic conference to boot. Go fuck yourself Tejas...you still lose in what remains of your now, bicycle-tire patched Big 12. Your reputation is still fucked....you won't pick up any major BCS programs to fill the gaps. What team wants to be lorded over by your sorry asses? Considering how you fisted the Big 12 and are now proclaiming yourselves conference saviors? What a bunch of fucking liar ingrates in Austin. Congrats.

[mvscal]

Translation: We, Texas, realize we ain't going to run shit in the PAC 10,

We will run any conference we join or create. That's a basic fact not subject to argument or dispute. It's one of the perks of being the richest school in the country.

You don't have to like us. You just have to drop to your knees and suck us off.

Nebraska will pull in a cool 20 Mill per season after it joins the Big 10...

Maybe. Even if you do, you will still be in a loss position over what you could make in the Big 12. Oh...and then there are the cancellation fees you'll be paying. That's going to run you about 10 million.

Good job kicking your own asses, you stupid hayseeds.

[Harvdog]

Go fuck yourself Tejas...you still lose in what remains of your now, bicycle-tire patched Big 12.

All we did was rid the Big XII of a bunch a bleeding vagina's. NU could not compete with the Texas and OU. Plain and simple, you are an aging fighter who likes to think you are in your prime but you are a fucking tomato can....you are Evander Holyfield. Tom Osbourne has such an ego that he could not take the fact that Texas was the Top Dog of the Big XII. Now he goes from exposure in Texas and the Southwest to sucking OSU, PSU and MIchigan's nuts. Good move. And believe me, the Big 10 network is not highly viewed in this part of the country because no one gives a fuck.

Your reputation is still fucked....you won't pick up any major BCS programs to fill the gaps.

Neither did the Pac-10 or the Big 10. The Big XII will get 2 other schools to fill the void and we will be just fine. As far as being "fucked'? I don't think this is going to affect recruiting and what we put on the field. I would be more worried about roadies to Evanston, Columbus, Ann Arbor and State College if I was you. But hey, at 7-5 you will be back in the Alamo Bowl...which was your home away from home.

What team wants to be lorded over by your sorry asses? Considering how you fisted the Big 12 and are now proclaiming yourselves conference saviors? What a bunch of fucking liar ingrates in Austin. Congrats.

Let's see....there were 9 schools that wanted the Big XII to work other than Texas. The other schools appreciate the exposure Texas and OU have brought to the Big XII. What has NU brought? Nothing. What do you bring to the Big 10? You were good in the 90's. That was 2 decades ago. I don't remember hearing NU complain when Texas, OU, and even Kansas were getting $17 million for making the BCS games. I think the other group of "fistees" is pretty excited that they are going to double their money and keep the conference in tact. And that Texas tied off a major hemorrhoid in NU.

Good luck in the Big 10. You will need it. I for one am glad that NU is gone.

[Truman]

If we've learned anything from this experience, it's best to keep this in mind the next time the Big Ten and the Pac entertain thoughts of extending an expansion invitation to Texas:

Texas does not join conferences.

Conferences join Texas.

Careful what you wish for.

[Goober McTuber]

The Big XII will get 2 other schools to fill the void and we will be just fine.

Just curious as to what two schools the Big 12 is likely to target?

[Truman]

Believer it or not Goobs, I heard the names BYU and Airforce floated from an Oklahoma media outlet yesterday afternoon. Haven't been able to run that one down anywhere though....

[Goober McTuber]

I also read where they might be content to stay at 10, and play a full round robin in football and a full home-and-home round robin in basketball. It’s probably a better basketball conference top to bottom now.

[Screw_Michigan]

Probably? Boy, that's a bold proclamation there, Gobbles McTubesteak. They only get rid of the two worst teams in the league, you THINK that will strength the basketball portion of the conference? Got any other great takes, like if the Big 11 got rid of Indiana it would be a better football league? Or if Wisconsin joined a Big 11 hockey conference they would finish dead last every season?

[Truman]

That appears to be the conventional wisdom, Goobs, but I'd look for Jerruh - hence, Texas - to lobby the BCS hard anyway for a Big XII-II Championship Game matching the Conference's top two teams to be played at his Palace-in-Dallas.

Good point on the roundball, though. The Corn are a weak sister in that department, and oughtta be good for two Wiscy division wins should the Big Ten elect to go that route. And Doc Sadler is always good for an entertaining soundbite....

[Goober McTuber]

Got any other great takes

If Screwball’s aunt had balls, she’d be his favorite aunt.

[Carson]

We will run any conference we join or create. That's a basic fact not subject to argument or dispute. It's one of the perks of being the richest school in the country.

Your oil money will be nonexistent after Afghanistan takes control of global transportation with their lithium mines.

...and that oil in the Gulf of Mexico isn't making your case, either.

Sin,
Libtards

[Van]

We will run any conference we join or create.

-The Pac 10 and Big 10

Texas was never going to run those conferences, so they decided to stay where they do run things.

[Cuda]

Translation: We, Texas, realize we ain't going to run shit in the PAC 10, or any other conference we shopped around in. Yes, we are the school that started the Big 12 down this slippery slope by contacting THREE major conferences about a possible move, AFTER we told the rest of the Big 12 to go fuck itself when it comes to media rights concerning a lucrative, Big 12 network for television..

Much as it galls me to agree with Cornfan about anything, he's right on this one. In the PAC, USC & UCLA will always be calling the shots- the shots that matter anyway. The Big XII really did deserve a horrible, nasty, acrimonious death, but now it looks like it's going to live for a while longer.

[M Club]

We will run any conference we join or create.

-The Pac 10 and Big 10

Texas was never going to run those conferences, so they decided to stay where they do run things.

seriously, what a bitch. if texas could run the big ten or pac 10 they'd be on expedia right now booking flights for the 2012 season. i suppose this is just a corollary to the thought texas could be its own country.

nice take, fag. come back the next time texas is 12-0 with 11 wins against iowa state.

[War Wagon]

The Big XII will get 2 other schools to fill the void and we will be just fine.

Just curious as to what two schools the Big 12 is likely to target?

I'd like to see them go after TCU and perhaps Memphis. Heard somewhere that the CEO of Fedex (HQ in Memphis) is willing to pay $10 mil to any BCS conference that would take 'em.

[Truman]

Just consider yourself fortunate that DeLoss Dodds didn't pursue Jim Delaney's overtures seriously, M.

Oh, it wouldn't have happened overnight...

But one day, five years-or-so from now, you'd have looked up and found your conference office housed in Dallas and your Championship Game permanently staged at Cowboys Stadium, and you'd have said, "How the hell did that happen?"

Think it wouldn't happen? You don't know Texas. Texas doesn't join conferences....

[Goober McTuber]

I don't think you know Jim Delaney.

[Mace]

I don't think you know Jim Delaney.

Exactly. Texas found out they weren't going to control the Big 10, or the Pac 10, and decided that running the Big 12 would suffice. Adding the Huskers to the Big 10 will be good for Nebraska and the conference, and I'm looking forward to the football matchups with Iowa.

[Truman]

Probably not, Goobs.

But I'd bet if you dropped a billion dollar television contract between Delaney and Dodds down that hole in the Gulf, we'd have that sucker plugged in no time....

[Killian]

If Texas was the BSD "y'all" claim them to be, why didn't they go independent?

[Truman]

Lemme ask you this, Kills:

If NBC were to guarantee Notre Dame a $25 million pay out per year with only Michigan standing in the way between them and a BCS Bowl AND allowed them to launch their own lucrative cable network, do you think that just might compel the Irish to join a conference?

If you answered "yes", then you just answered your own question.

[Killian]

Lemme ask you this, Kills:

If NBC were to guarantee Notre Dame a $25 million pay out per year with only Michigan standing in the way between them and a BCS Bowl AND allowed them to launch their own lucrative cable network, do you think that just might compel the Irish to join a conference?

If you answered "yes", then you just answered your own question.

So you can't straight up answer the question? Or are you saying that Texas makes more money in a conference, than they would making their own schedule and keeping all the money when making a BCS game?

And this:

allowed them to launch their own lucrative cable network

What cable providers are going to pick up an all Texas cable channel?

[Terry in Crapchester]

Lemme ask you this, Kills:

If NBC were to guarantee Notre Dame a $25 million pay out per year with only Michigan standing in the way between them and a BCS Bowl AND allowed them to launch their own lucrative cable network, do you think that just might compel the Irish to join a conference?

If you answered "yes", then you just answered your own question.

Anyone who would ask this question really doesn't know what ND is all about. Fwiw, while I don't go to quite this extreme, there are posters at various ND homer boards who post, apparently seriously, that they would prefer ND drop football rather than join a conference.

[Truman]

Lemme ask you this, Kills:

If NBC were to guarantee Notre Dame a $25 million pay out per year with only Michigan standing in the way between them and a BCS Bowl AND allowed them to launch their own lucrative cable network, do you think that just might compel the Irish to join a conference?

If you answered "yes", then you just answered your own question.

So you can't straight up answer the question? Or are you saying that Texas makes more money in a conference, than they would making their own schedule and keeping all the money when making a BCS game?

Again, Killian, you don't need me to answer your question because you just did. THAT is exactly what I'm saying. As the flagship school in a brand-new Big XII Lite, only Oklahoma stands in the way of annual BCS berth. With eight "rummies" ready-built for the win-column, UT isn't forced to schedule half their games against a conference they publically disdain or flesh out their schedule against service academies or second-rate religious schools. Texas will print money pile so high a circus poodle couldn't jump over it.

And this:

allowed them to launch their own lucrative cable network

What cable providers are going to pick up an all Texas cable channel?

Oh, just the ones in the markets that matter most to Texas: Dallas-Ft. Worth #7, Houston #10, San Antonio #37, plus every other little po-dunk cable system in the 2nd largest state in the Union. BTW, I'm sure Texas would happily sell their product to a provider in your area, Kills, but unless you live in Texas, I'm guessing that they could give a flip.

[Truman]

Lemme ask you this, Kills:

If NBC were to guarantee Notre Dame a $25 million pay out per year with only Michigan standing in the way between them and a BCS Bowl AND allowed them to launch their own lucrative cable network, do you think that just might compel the Irish to join a conference?

If you answered "yes", then you just answered your own question.

Anyone who would ask this question really doesn't know what ND is all about. Fwiw, while I don't go to quite this extreme, there are posters at various ND homer boards who post, apparently seriously, that they would prefer ND drop football rather than join a conference.

It wasn't a serious question, Terry. Killian was ill-informed to have asked his question in the first place. Instead of answering "duh", I decided to engage him in discussion.

FWIW, I'm a Mizzou fan. I have no love for UT what-so-ever. Were they to play, I'd root for the Taliban straight-up over Texas. Hell, I look on with mild disinterest when UT and Kansas hook up. That said, however, Texas is the reason my school still plays in a BCS conference today. To disregard the power and influence of UT is simply disingenuous. S'all I'm sayin'.

[Killian]

So, again, you are going to be making more money in a conference, where you'll split all of your bowl revenue, then you would if you were independent, where you would likely keep all bowl reveune, and likely get some sort of your own TV deal? I believe it is you who are ill-informed when it comes to the economics of the independent vs. conference affiliated debate. Most major football progams would make a killing being independent vs being confinde to the conference structure. It's their other sports that couldn't survive.

So while you may think Texas calls all the shots where ever they go, they don't have the power to run the show in the Big 10 or Pac 10, nor the cache to convince a BCS league to take all of their other sports sans their largest money generator.

If Texas gets to that level, then come in here and start crowing about all that other shit. I know you keep mentioning how you only have one game standing between you and the BCS, yet that has been the case for the last 10 years. The two teams that just left the Big 12 beat you a combined 2 times in that 10 year span. It's always been OU as the only team you've had to beat. And now without the luxury of a championship game, you'll likely have to schedule at least one big program in the OOC every year, if not two.

[Truman]

^^^^^^^^^^



Might wanna reference the post above ya, Killian.

If it truly does say Notre Dame on your diploma, Kills, then the Big Ten is far better off without you.

[Killian]

^^^^^^^^^^



Might wanna reference the post above ya, Killian.

If it truly does say Notre Dame on your diploma, Kills, then the Big Ten is far better off without you.

I'll take posts for under 30 words that prove a poster has never been in this forum for $2000, Alex.

Again, why don't you break down the economics of being in a conference, if I'm so wrong, and compare them to how it would be different if you were independent.

On a football only basis, independence makes sense for many teams. It's why your Longhorns toyed with the idea. The hang up is the other sports.

[Truman]

I'll take posts for under 30 words that prove a poster has never been in this forum for $2000, Alex.

...AND I'LL take Losers Who are Clearly too Fucking Stupid to Read "FWIW, I'm a Mizzou Fan. I have No love for UT What-So-Ever" for ∞, Alex....

Again, why don't you break down the economics of being in a conference, if I'm so wrong, and compare them to how it would be different if you were independent.

Okeydoke.

Reading comprehension aside - or lack thereof upon your part - please allow me to address your latest idiocy:

Texas is currently a member of the Big XII. It is Unknown whether Texas would make more money as an Independant.

However, it IS known that Texas will make more money than Notre Dame.

$25M Fox package + Texas cable package + one BCS and five lesser bowl splits > $15M NBC package + $1.4M NBC-aw-shit-we-missed-the-BCS-again consulation payout + Apple Bowl share

On a football only basis, independence makes sense for many teams. It's why your Longhorns toyed with the idea. The hang up is the other sports.

Not only are you too stupid to read, Killian, but you are clearly fucking high. You keep insisting that Texas didn't go Independant because no one would pick up their non-revenue sports. How the fuck do you know if Texas even asked?! Without looking, I can tell you that Texas is a perrenial Top 20 finisher in basketball, baseball, track, and golf. Can you name another sport other than freaking faggotty-ass lacrosse that Notre Dame even competes in? The Big East welcomes your Irish 'cuz they regularly slap the piss outta you. Same as you if you decide to persist in this thread....

[Bizzarofelice]

Texas is going to the Pac,

Not so fast...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/f ... ref=sircrc

Translation: We, Texas, realize we ain't going to run shit in the PAC 10, or any other conference we shopped around in. Yes, we are the school that started the Big 12 down this slippery slope by contacting THREE major conferences about a possible move, AFTER we told the rest of the Big 12 to go fuck itself when it comes to media rights concerning a lucrative, Big 12 network for television.

"A person with direct knowledge of discussions among the Big 12's remaining members said Texas is clear to set up its own TV network and keep all proceeds in exchange for remaining in the Big 12. The person spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because final details had not been worked out."

^^^^ Just fucking perfect.


Nebraska will pull in a cool 20 Mill per season after it joins the Big 10...a much better academic conference to boot. Go fuck yourself Tejas...you still lose in what remains of your now, bicycle-tire patched Big 12. Your reputation is still fucked....you won't pick up any major BCS programs to fill the gaps. What team wants to be lorded over by your sorry asses? Considering how you fisted the Big 12 and are now proclaiming yourselves conference saviors? What a bunch of fucking liar ingrates in Austin. Congrats.

This guy has been fed nothing but GETS IT for his entire life.

New Big 12 has the same problem as the old Big 12. This incarnation will work only until teams once again jet for greener pastures.

A&M getting a big chunk of the penalties just to stay? A&M has been 31-41 in Big 12 conference play. They suck and have sucked solid erections since '96. Beebe is a bitch, and he's the bitch we deserve. Texas wasn't going to go to the PAC 10 at any time because the PAC 10 sux to all hell. Shooting themself in the foot with a yeehah.

[Killian]

$25M Fox package + Texas cable package + one BCS and five lesser bowl splits > $15M NBC package + $1.4M NBC-aw-shit-we-missed-the-BCS-again consulation payout + Apple Bowl share

That $25 Million TV package includes the Texas cable package, as I'm sure you didn't know that. And the $25 Million is the top end of that. So let's go with the $25 Million. Let's then say that Texas is going to be one of the two BCS championship teams. I think last year, the payout was $22 Million a side. So $22M/10 = $2.2 Million. I don't know the exact pay outs of the Big 12 and their lesser bowl's, but lets err on the high side and say those 5 bowl games net $10 Million for the conference. That's another $1 Million for Texas. So, in conference you have:

$25M TV package
+2.2M for the BCS
+1M for the other bowls
= $28.2 Million for Texas.

Now, let's assume for a second that Texas decided to go Independent in football. And lets say that Fox won't shell out $25M to Texas for just themselves, so they only get $15M. Now, let's put them back in the BCS title game and the $22M share. Their AD likely isn't the same pussy that Kevin White was when he negotiated ND's deal, so Texas would likely keep the whole share. So, as an independent you have:

$15M TV package
+22M BCS share
=$37 Million for Texas.

If they go to the BCS 3 straight years as an independent, they would make at least $42M more in bowl revenue than they would in conference. On a yearly basis, assuming they can get a TV package equivilant to that of ND, they would be making $8.8M more a year as an independent. The only time they would make less money is if they hit a long stretch where they weren't going to BCS games on a consistant basis.

Not only are you too stupid to read, Killian, but you are clearly fucking high. You keep insisting that Texas didn't go Independant because no one would pick up their non-revenue sports. How the fuck do you know if Texas even asked?! Without looking, I can tell you that Texas is a perrenial Top 20 finisher in basketball, baseball, track, and golf. Can you name another sport other than freaking faggotty-ass lacrosse that Notre Dame even competes in? The Big East welcomes your Irish 'cuz they regularly slap the piss outta you. Same as you if you decide to persist in this thread....

Outside of basketball, how many of those programs are money makers for a conference? Notre Dame got the Big East deal because the conference was able to use Notre Dame as a chip when trying to hold on to their BCS bid and other bowl tie-ins when that conference was about to fall apart. Does such a circumstance exist for Texas and any other conference today? Would any conference need the Texas name to keep them from losing their BCS bid? If you answer no to either of those questions, then there is no reason to believe any major conference would welcome Texas, sans football, with open arms.

[BSmack]

Can you name another sport other than freaking faggotty-ass lacrosse that Notre Dame even competes in?

Not to stick up for the Domers, but "faggotty-ass lacrosse" is about as stupid a fucking thing as I've ever heard on these boards.

[Screw_Michigan]

They're also pretty respectable in hockey, too.

[Goober McTuber]

"faggotty-ass lacrosse"

Jim Brown's best sport at Syracuse.