Big 12 fuckers - which is the bigger rivalry?

[King Crimson]

Tom Osborne's record against Barry Switzer (more than a couple of those Sooner W's, OU has NO business winning in Lincoln....but they do):

5-12.

that SI cover with Rick Berns is Dr. Tom's first W over OU in 78. Sims fumbles inside the NU 10 to give the Huskers the W....after making a ridiculous move on a blitzing Sker. Outside of OU losing to basketball championship to Danny "8 fouls a game never called" Manning in 1988, I count this as my most painful sport moment ever.

However, in an unprecedented move, the Orange Bowl invites Oklahoma to play Big 8 Champ Nebraska and OU thunderfucks Nebraska in the rematch. NU scores a meaningless TD on the final play to cut the L to 31-24.

this an underrated classic:



and this really Switzer sticking it deep in Dr. Tom. my Dad (when properly bourbon drunk) tells a great story about this game. they get to know the Huskers sitting next to them....over 5 years sitting (and winning) in NU seating. OU scores late, so the game is 17-16....and my dad and his buddy are saying....."do we go for two and the win....", two minutes left. Nebraska fan says: "Switzer will kick the PAT, he knows he'll get the ball back." and that's exactly what happened.

[Terry in Crapchester]

2. The Big10 already has a great tv-deal in place and it will just get better as the Big10 network expands. They aren't projecting anything, the money is already there, and it's big.

I've been doing a lot of thinking about the BTN. I certainly don't know al of the ramifications, but I'm not yet convinced that they'll be able to sustain the numbers long-term. Consider the following:

1. In football, ABC, ESPN and ESPN2 still have first dibs on Big Ten football games. What is left over for the BTN? How much demand is there for, say, Illinois-Minnesota, outside of the fanbases of those schools?

2. Even in mens' basketball, you have the same issues arise, with CBS, ABC, ESPN and ESPN2 all having priority over the BTN. This isn't quite as significant a problem, though, as you can play basketball any day of the week (traditionally they don't play on Friday nights, though).

3. How much of a market is there, really, for Big Ten sports such as swimming, tennis or track and field?

4. As I understand it, the BTN receives $1.10 per cable subscriber within the Big Ten footprint, $.10 per cable subscriber where BTN is available but outside the BTN footprint (fwiw, where I live, BTN is available but only as a premium option, I don't pay for it so I don't get it.) That leads to the Big Ten considering schools in lucrative media markets which they otherwise would have no interest in, e.g., Rutgers. The upshot of all of that is that the Big Ten could ultimately cost itself in terms of on-field quality of play, rivalries, etc., in the interest of raising revenue for the BTN. Nebraska was an excellent add on the field -- probably the best the Big Ten realistically could have done, under the circumstances -- but IIRC, the entire state only has about 1.7 million people. That might mean a per capita loss of revenue.

5. If the big cable companies ever go to a la carte cable options, that could spell disaster for the BTN.

I've thought about the BTN, and come up with some compromises which ND could negotiate, short of joining the Big Ten, which would help the BTN and the Big Ten, as well as the Big East.

Jack Swarbrick has said that the Big Ten wants to add hockey as a sport. Unfortunately for the Big Ten, only five of their members (Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Ohio State and Wisconsin) play Division I hockey. My proposal would be to add the three Big East members that play Division I hockey -- UConn, ND and Providence -- as hockey-only members of the Big Ten. That would probably be a better option for the Big Ten than adding, say, Bemidji State, Lake Superior State, Ferris State, Minnesota-Duluth, Minnesota State, St. Cloud State or Western Michigan (sorry, Screw) as hockey-only members of the Big Ten, the Big East schools have a higher profile, at least on a national basis. The Big Ten could borrow the Pac-10 concept of travel partners and make UConn and Providence travel partners to ease expenses of all members. Then televise Big Ten hockey on the BTN.

Also, two Big Ten schools -- Ohio State and Penn State -- play Division I lacrosse as members of the ECAC. The Big East recently added mens' lacrosse as a varsity sport. Those two schools could become lacrosse-only members of the Big East, with the BTN getting the television rights to Big East lacrosse. The Big East, of course, would get a cut of the revenue generated from lacrosse telecasts (other than Ohio State-Penn State), and from the hockey telecasts involving Big East schools.

Hockey and lacrosse aren't football and basketball, of course. But each sport is the second-most popular spectator sport in its respective season, and there's less competition from ESPN and the like for television rights.

It probably would never happen, but it would make a lot of sense to me.

[King Crimson]

the other thing about Oklahoma-Nebraska.....was it was a year long seminar on how to run or defend the option. out of the I, or the wishbone? who could do it better? it was really beautiful football.

this is another time Oklahoma wins in Lincoln over the #1 Cornhuskers.

[King Crimson]

[Goober McTuber]

The Big XII will be just fine and the schools that didn't bail will be raking in mo money than Nebraska ever dreamed of making.

Uh, probably not.

[Goober McTuber]

Jack Swarbrick has said that the Big Ten wants to add hockey as a sport. Unfortunately for the Big Ten, only five of their members (Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Ohio State and Wisconsin) play Division I hockey.

Penn State recently announced they are adding hockey.

[H4ever]

Nebraska isn't shit. The game is Texas-OU. Nebraska wants to matter.....they just don't. Most Nebraska fans are thoughtful, knowledgeable and in general good sports. They have to know that moving to the Big 10 is happening because Tom's pussy is hurt from the beating it has been taking from Texas and OU.

No one in the Big XII gives one shit about Nebraska. When Nebraska's "Biggest" rival tells you that the game is an after thought, that is all you have to know.

EABOD Huskers.

You don't know a damn thing about the motives for the move. Newsflash genius we know more about our program than you do. The president and the board of regents had to be down with the move. It was not our AD's call to make. Tom's pussy is hurt? No, you are just being pathetic and ignorant.

Here are reasons for leaving:

1. The Big12 was a house of cards. Multiple programs said if CU and Mizzou left they'd bolt too. Your own program had talked to three different conferences, wouldn't commit their media-rights when challenged, and along with several other programs had one foot out the door. Nobody was committed to the con longterm-past 2016. We were looking for a home for the next century, not just the next few years.

2. The Big10 already has a great tv-deal in place and it will just get better as the Big10 network expands. They aren't projecting anything, the money is already there, and it's big.

3. Look up the CIC genius, do you have any idea what that is? It is a research consortium that doles out BILLIONS yearly. Nebraska is now part of that. Between the CIC and our new innovation campus the university will become a real player. Joining the 10 is a big deal for our academics.

The 12 offered us nothing but some tough talk and media manipulation meant to scare us into signing-on. You, ATM, and OU only stayed after Bay, KU, KSU, ISU, and Mizzou agreed to be bent-over. The 10 offered a lot. It wasn't a tough call.

^^^^^Rack! Why's Harv playing ghost?

[Terry in Crapchester]

That having been said, I think the fact that many on this board don't ever remember Oklahoma-Nebraska as a particularly big game speaks more to a generation gap than anything else.

That's exactly what it is.

I've got old Sports Illustrateds, Sporting News, Sport magazines, etc. covering Nebraska-Oklahoma games. Seems they were always crucial to national championship hopes for them and everyone else. Devaney, Osborne, Fairbanks, Switzer all had a lot of good teams. Most every year.

Exactly my feelings as Sam and Terry suggest. You probably gotta be north of 50 to get it.

Not quite. I'm still on the good side of 50 (albeit not for much longer, :brad: ) and I get it. Maybe north of 40.

But in any event, IIRC, Nebraska-Oklahoma was a 1 vs. 2 matchup as recently as '87. Not that '87 is particularly recent, but it is recent enough that some of the young whippersnappers in here ought to have been paying attention to BTPCF back then.

[OStUd]

Who gives a fuck about some contrived rivalry?

It really sucks when someone calls out "Big 12 fuckers" and then feeling like you're excluded from the conversation.... especially during the bye week.

Fuck that and fuck you all, Mizzou will win the XII North and then roll Okie State in the CCG.

Sluts, you heard it here first.

You are right about one thing but there is no way Mizzou can beat my boy they score almost al many points in one quarter then I score the ladies the back of my Chevy Tahoe in one night.

[Truman]

i'd like to get on board Wags, but you and I both know that your guys best team in 50 years lost to a mediocre OU team twice.

:?

10-3 and a BCS berth was "mediocre"?

'the hell was last year's 8-5, then?

Hey, I know you all have standards and traditions and stuff, but it ain't like you've been Michigan or Notre Dame lately either....

[Harvdog]

You don't know a damn thing about the motives for the move. Newsflash genius we know more about our program than you do. The president and the board of regents had to be down with the move. It was not our AD's call to make. Tom's pussy is hurt? No, you are just being pathetic and ignorant.

So you are saying that Tom's ego had nothing to do with this? Right. You are saying that being the 4th most important team in the conference had nothing to do with them leaving? Right.

When the Big XII was formed NU was king shit and on top of the world. They wanted no part of revenue sharing and wanted the conference run their way.....Prop 48 athlete etc. When Texas balked, we were the bad guys. Bottom line is that Texas, OU, Texas A & M and even Kansas have meant more to this conference than NU.

Here are reasons for leaving:

1. The Big12 was a house of cards. Multiple programs said if CU and Mizzou left they'd bolt too. Your own program had talked to three different conferences, wouldn't commit their media-rights when challenged, and along with several other programs had one foot out the door. Nobody was committed to the con longterm-past 2016. We were looking for a home for the next century, not just the next few years.

Texas was not actively seeking other conferences. The other conferences came to us. It is called being in demand. If we wanted to go to the Big 10 and were willing to give away all right to our content, we would be there. The same holds true for the PAC-10 and the SEC. CU is gone and I don't see anyone shedding any tears. The only people who are worried about the Big XII are CU and NU fans. We don't give a shit about you or your school. You made your choice now go be an also ran in the Midwest.

2. The Big10 already has a great tv-deal in place and it will just get better as the Big10 network expands. They aren't projecting anything, the money is already there, and it's big.

They have a nice network in place. They want to charge a fee of $1.10 every month to every house that has the channel. Considering that there are 20 million people in Dallas, Houston, Austin, and San Antonio that would have been potential customers of said Network it would have been good if Texas has gone. Instead, that money will go to the Big XII which has a nice package too. I don't think anyone south of Lincoln will give 2 shits about a Purdue vs. Wisconsin game.

3. Look up the CIC genius, do you have any idea what that is? It is a research consortium that doles out BILLIONS yearly. Nebraska is now part of that. Between the CIC and our new innovation campus the university will become a real player. Joining the 10 is a big deal for our academics.

Considering that NU wanted partial qualifiers, I find it amusing that you run academic smack on the Big XII. We do just fine in academics. Texas and OU are always rated high in scholar and innovation. I don't think that we will be hurt by the Big 10 of brain power and CIC.

The 12 offered us nothing but some tough talk and media manipulation meant to scare us into signing-on. You, ATM, and OU only stayed after Bay, KU, KSU, ISU, and Mizzou agreed to be bent-over. The 10 offered a lot. It wasn't a tough call.

The goal was always to keep the Big XII in place. Once we got rid of some excess fat (NU and CU) we were just fine.

^^^^^Rack! Why's Harv playing ghost?

Because I have a job and it requires me to travel and I cannot always get on the internet.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

It'd be badass if they put that on their helmets.

[H4ever]

Nice try, Harv...you can't polish a terd. Texas is a bitch school ready to throw under the bus, the boot-lickers that remain in the doomed big 12. Who does Tejas think they are? Notre Dame? :D

The future is bright in the Big 10. It's a great fit for Nebraska. Phony fuckers in Texas can have their minions.

[Harvdog]

Nice try, Harv...you can't polish a terd. Texas is a bitch school ready to throw under the bus, the boot-lickers that remain in the doomed big 12. Who does Tejas think they are? Notre Dame? :D

The future is bright in the Big 10. It's a great fit for Nebraska. Phony fuckers in Texas can have their minions.

You are right.....we tried to polish Nebraska for 14 years and all we got was a shiny piece of shit. Have fun being looking up at Penn St, Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Michigan St.

Notre Dame? Really? We actually win. Nice attempt at humor but you prove what a shit troll you are every time you post.

Again, what part of no one in the Big XII gives a fuck about Nebraska and are glad you are leaving can you not get?

[Terry in Crapchester]

You are saying that being the 4th most important team in the conference had nothing to do with them leaving? Right.

Oklahoma, Texas. Who's number 3?

Besides, you do know that tOSU and Michigan will always be 1 and 2 in the Big Ten pecking order, don't you? If the Big Ten were to add a school that had run off 10 straight national championships, that school would be looked at as being in third place in the Big Ten.

As it is, Penn State and Nebraska are competing for third banana. In at least one respect, they're being looked at as the 11th and 12th most important members of the conference, since that's the order in which they joined.

Texas was not actively seeking other conferences. The other conferences came to us. It is called being in demand. If we wanted to go to the Big 10 and were willing to give away all right to our content, we would be there. The same holds true for the PAC-10 and the SEC.

For someone who constantly rags on ND, you do know that the same is true about ND, don't you? ND won't join the Big Ten, because most ND fans HATE the Big Ten due to the way that conference traditionally has treated ND. Yet every time the topic of Big Ten expansion pops up, they mention ND.

Nor is it limited to the Big Ten, either. The ACC, Big East or Big XII all would take ND in a heartbeat if ND was interested in joining. For that matter, if ND was interested, they could even get in to the Pac-10 (notwithstanding obvious travel issues for non-revenue sports) or the Meatgrinder as well.

[SunCoastSooner]

By show of hands... what Big 12 fans really give a shit about Nebraska leaving? I'll hold my breath looking for them...

[King Crimson]

By show of hands... what Big 12 fans really give a shit about Nebraska leaving? I'll hold my breath looking for them...

they bring nothing to the table in basketball, so that's a concern of mine....they've *never* won an NCAA tournament game. When WAS the last time you saw the Devaney Center on TV? Anyone?

the most interesting thing to me about all this is the ridiculous sanctimony that Huskers feel the need to tirelessly disseminate the heroic story of Dr. Tom telling big bad UT to shove it while all the other little conference schools slurped Bevo's evil TV revenue hogging cock. It's the party-line, here...on CU boards, Tom Shatel can't write about it enough. On and on. ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

By comparison, CU, a fanbase riddled with spite, the poorest of winners when they were good and always ill humored....are far more realistic and genial about going to the Pac. they've kinda always wanted to be there anyway and it was in their self-interest to do so. pretty much end of story. not looking back...they don't feel the need to lecture everyone else about how great they are.

I contend that if NU had an in-state conference member school (Neb State) they wouldn't be nearly so hung up on losing OU as a rival.

[SunCoastSooner]

By show of hands... what Big 12 fans really give a shit about Nebraska leaving? I'll hold my breath looking for them...

they bring nothing to the table in basketball, so that's a concern of mine....they've *never* won an NCAA tournament game. When WAS the last time you saw the Devaney Center on TV? Anyone?

the most interesting thing to me about all this is the ridiculous sanctimony that Huskers feel the need to tirelessly disseminate the heroic story of Dr. Tom telling big bad UT to shove it while all the other little conference schools slurped Bevo's evil TV revenue hogging cock. It's the party-line, here...on CU boards, Tom Shatel can't write about it enough. On and on. ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

By comparison, CU, a fanbase riddled with spite, the poorest of winners when they were good and always ill humored....are far more realistic and genial about going to the Pac. they've kinda always wanted to be there anyway and it was in their self-interest to do so. pretty much end of story. not looking back...they don't feel the need to lecture everyone else about how great they are.

I contend that if NU had an in-state conference member school (Neb State) they wouldn't be nearly so hung up on losing OU as a rival.

Women's volleyball took a knock and that's about it... Ohhhhh the humanity, ohhhhh the humanity!!!

[indyfrisco]

I'm actually a tad bit saddened by how the Big XII shit went down. I always had respect for NebraskaFan, and never gave 2 shits about ColoradoFan. Not that I had anything against ColoradoFan, but we just didn't have much of a history together. And not that NebraskaFan had much of a history with AggieFan, but it was just a respect for their program and the class their fanbase showed in the few years the XII was XII.

So why am I somewhat saddened? All these years, I thought NebraskaFan was classy. I don't know what it is like in Lincoln and surrounding trailer parks, but the Nebraska Nation contingent on this board has had an EPIC FAIL when it came to their departure. Take a note from ColoradoFan. They did it right. They feel they are moving to greener pastures said "later" and left it at that. NebraskaFan has insisted upon taking a shit on their own shoes every step of the way out the door.

Ultimately, I would be happy to have Nebraska in the XII, but them leaving the conference is no worse than say Baylor leaving the conference in my mind. We'd be glad if you stayed, but we won't call if you leave.

I'm sure as an A&M fan, I will be called out for our football record in recent years. That's a fair criticism. However, we still bring in the cash. And by cash, I mean a dedicated fanbase willing to spend anything to watch their team and support their team. As we all know, money talks and huskershit walks.