Boise St.

[WolverineSteve]

-Playing on tuesday nights is not something that top-5 programs do. I know they probably got more viewers on a tuesday as thier games get burried by better games on the networks on saturdays, but tuesdays are for directionals and the like.
-It's sad how desperate and frantic they look trying to run up the score. I know that they need any style points they can get but to watch them in a perpetual 2-minute offense is sad.
-I have changed my take on BSU. Unless there aren't two 1-loss teams from real conferences, there's no way they belong playing for the title.

Bottom line, they're a cute little program who can trick play thier way through the one big time opponent each year but cannot be taken seriously in that conference. They could go Indie and scrape together a better slate.

[M Club]

they can trick their way through one or two big-name opponents and then beat another in their bowl game. in between they look remarkably sad playing uptempo football. i wonder how that makes michigan look.

[King Crimson]

let's try turning this thing around. Boise is a good football team. a legit top 10 team. but, how many other teams in the top 15, say, would be unbeaten with BSU's schedule? most. so, it becomes harder to make a case for them as #1 or one of the two BCS finalists when seen that way....when their success could be highly relativized like that. i think that's a better argument than, they'd lose 2-4 conference games in a week-in, week-out SEC or Big Whatever schedule.

[Mace]

let's try turning this thing around. Boise is a good football team. a legit top 10 team. but, how many other teams in the top 15, say, would be unbeaten with BSU's schedule? most. so, it becomes harder to make a case for them as #1 or one of the two BCS finalists when seen that way....when their success could be highly relativized like that. i think that's a better argument than, they'd lose 2-4 conference games in a week-in, week-out SEC or Big Whatever schedule.

Excellent point, only I think you could go much deeper than the top 15 and say those teams would be undefeated playing the Boise schedule. The human pollsters probably give them more respect than they deserve knowing that the computers are going to kick them in the ass, but they want to reward them for their undefeated seasons and their wins over BCS teams in the past few years. That said, I don't think they'll ever keep them high enough in the polls to play for a title.

Even if Boise State actually had the best team in the country, there is no way for them to prove it with their regular season schedule. If they're really serious about taking on all comers and willing to travel, they should lower their demand for a $1million and take the going rate of $800-$900 thousand and start hopping on a plane. Go play tOSU (or Wisconsin, MSU, Iowa), Alabama or Auburn, Oklahoma (and prove it wasn't a fluke), and PROVE that you're deserving of all of the hype and the lofty ranking. I can't speak for Iowa AD Gary Barta, but I would personally welcome giving BSU an opportunity to make a trip to Iowa City. Granted, Kirk Ferentz may not share my feelings but the fans would prefer seeing Boise to Eastern Illinois or Arkansas State on the schedule. Fuck the cupcakes, play some real football teams....even if it puts you at risk of losing a game and dropping in the ratings.

[M Club]

that's a better argument than saying boise couldn't hang in a bcs conference, obviously. then again, the point in the season where people started screaming PLAY SOMEBODY was after they'd dispatched vatech and oregon state and only a couple shitty wac teams, so i'm not sure how many top 15 teams would have been undefeated.

[Degenerate]

-Playing on tuesday nights is not something that top-5 programs do.

You know people are running out of reasons to denigrate a team when it comes to some mind-numbingly stupid shit like this.

[WolverineSteve]

-Playing on tuesday nights is not something that top-5 programs do.

You know people are running out of reasons to denigrate a team when it comes to some mind-numbingly stupid shit like this.

Yeah. That and it's true.

They're a cute gimmicky program with the gadget plays and the blue turf...but playing on tuesdays is bush league and is best left to the Tusla's, E.Carolina's, Western Kentucky's, and LaMo's of the cfb world. Bad enough that they play alot of thursday night games, but tuesday is a joke.

[Screw_Michigan]

They're a cute gimmicky program

with the gadget plays

and the blue turf

plays on tuesdays

Better than going 4-8, right? Of course it is. Hope you guys keep RichRod around a long while.

[Dinsdale]

play some real teams on a regular basis (I know that's not a simple fix...maybe the Pac 10 would take 'em someday).

Don't get me wrong, I'm a BSU-Bitch-and-Moaneras well, but what no one seems to be taking into account is that BSU is ditching the WAC and joining the MWC next season.

And sure, Utah and BYU are leaving the MWC, and they've been the conference powerhouses over the last decade or so -- but, BSU is making that effort to toughen up their schedule.

And BTW -- BSU isn't even eligible for PAC membership. They're so far from fufilling the academic standards of the PAC, it isn't ever going to happen. But even stepping up to the MWC -- Boise better start expanding that cute little stadium in a big freaking hurry.

[King Crimson]

Get rid of the fuckin' toy field, play on Saturdays, and play some real teams on a regular basis (I know that's not a simple fix...maybe the Pac 10 would take 'em someday). In the meantime, the various poll voters need to get their shit together and stop rewarding BSU for playing shit teams. They should be ranked maybe 25th. I know I put 'em in my top ten recently, but that was only to appease the bitchers in here.

Nutt was only there one year, as I recall. i think he won 5 games. that may be a great accomplishment given the circumstances, i have no idea....but it's still 5 games. the name that's missing is Dirk Koetter. he's the guy that built the foundation for the current Boise program. he struck out at Arizona State. was Koetter on Nutt's staff? i dunno. other than that, i think Nutt gets tossed in since he's coached at Arkie and Ole Miss...and had reasonable success. just the name to boost the "argument".

Boise is Gonzaga in hoops. How did Dan Monson do at Minnesota? Tubby Smith took his guys and won immediately. Peterson may stay put just like Mark Few.

[Mace]

Moving to the MWC is a step up but, minus Utah and BYU, it's a much smaller step, given that those two, especially Utah, would add some legitimacy to their schedule. Totally agree on the stadium issue. Tough to gain respect and be taken seriously when you play in a 35,000 seat stadium with ugly blue turf.

[Dinsdale]

Peterson may stay put just like Mark Few.

Oh, I'm guessing he'd take Chip Kelley's job in the blink of an eye.

[King Crimson]

Peterson may stay put just like Mark Few.

Oh, I'm guessing he'd take Chip Kelley's job in the blink of an eye.

are you trying to set me up here......just like you told me adamantly Few was going to replace Ernie....in a heartbeat...

[Felix]

-Playing on tuesday nights is not something that top-5 programs do. I know they probably got more viewers on a tuesday as thier games get burried by better games on the networks on saturdays, but tuesdays are for directionals and the like.

The Tuesday start time was dictated by ESPN….a program running on the kind of budget that Boise State is running on can’t afford the loss in revenue generated by ESPN covering their games…seriously, do you think any program would CHOOSE to play on a Tuesday night?

It's sad how desperate and frantic they look trying to run up the score. I know that they need any style points they can get but to watch them in a perpetual 2-minute offense is sad.

I know you’re just trolling here, but maybe I can enlighten you to some degree….they weren’t trying to run up the score…last night when the score was 35-13, there was still a palpable air in the stadium that the game still wasn’t secured…..Kellen Moore has only seen the 4th quarter in 3 games they’ve played this year-Va Tech, Oregon State, and last night’s game. The previous game he didn’t even play in the second half. Honestly, does that sound like a team that’s trying to roll up the score on people? Petersen is not that kind of a coach and honestly, he could give two flying fucks about style points…..that’s not who he is and Boise State is a reflection of him and his coaching style….and sorry to be the one to have to tell you bud, but that’s their offense…they didn’t do anything different than they’ve done all year….they run a quick style offense

I have changed my take on BSU. Unless there aren't two 1-loss teams from real conferences, there's no way they belong playing for the title.

I love the fact that one less than stellar performance can change your mind that quickly…say did you think that Oklahoma didn’t belong in the top rankings when they almost got beat by one of the dregs of the WAC conference (Utah State) in their home opener? Utah State had them and let them off the hook….but insofar as playing for the title, you don’t have to worry because BSU is not going to make it-so you can rest easier tonight knowing that they won’t be playing in the MNC game…that way, the fucked up BCS system will be secured for another few years…..win I guess….

Bottom line, they're a cute little program who can trick play thier way through the one big time opponent each year but cannot be taken seriously in that conference. They could go Indie and scrape together a better slate

Spoken like somebody that has watched them play all of once or twice and based his judgment on that brief glimpse…..

[Dinsdale]

Peterson may stay put just like Mark Few.

Oh, I'm guessing he'd take Chip Kelley's job in the blink of an eye.

are you trying to set me up here......just like you told me adamantly Few was going to replace Ernie....in a heartbeat...

That one is still a head-scratcher to me. But Oregon didn't actually have an AD during the coaching search, which really added some sport to trying to hire a coach... and the agents came and took all the players away while no one was watching.


I'm also guessing that Kelley, who is currently 17-3 as Oregon's coach, ain't going anywhere for a while anyway.

Petersen doesn't have nearly the ties to U of O or Eugene that Few does.

[Carson]

seriously, do you think any program would CHOOSE to play on a Tuesday night?

Seriously, yes.

The home team has to accept the date and start time before the TV contract is signed so they can prepare for the logistical changes needed for crowd and traffic control, concessions, etc...

Are you admitting that BSU is a media-driven sham of a program?

[MuchoBulls]

let's try turning this thing around. Boise is a good football team. a legit top 10 team. but, how many other teams in the top 15, say, would be unbeaten with BSU's schedule? most. so, it becomes harder to make a case for them as #1 or one of the two BCS finalists when seen that way....when their success could be highly relativized like that. i think that's a better argument than, they'd lose 2-4 conference games in a week-in, week-out SEC or Big Whatever schedule.

RACK it!!

[Felix]

The home team has to accept the date and start time before the TV contract is signed so they can prepare for the logistical changes needed for crowd and traffic control, concessions, etc...

you don't know much about ESPN do you? if boise state wants exposure and revenue from ESPN, they're going to play when ESPN wants them to play and that was the case last night...Boise State doesn't have networks like ABC, NBC, and CBS pounding on their door begging to televise their games, so BSU has to get their revenue where they can.....in this instance, ESPN essentially said "look if you play on Tuesday night, we'll cover the game and broadcast it nationally, if you don't well we're not going to cover it"....so, as the athletic director of Boise State tell me, what would you do?

Are you admitting that BSU is a media-driven sham of a program?

ESPN has been good to Boise State, so if you're asking me if they're driven by the money they receive from television revenue...absolutely

unfortunately, Boise State doesn't have any multi-billionaire benefactors that are willing to drop millions of dollars on the program...what they've accomplished, they've done in 15 years on a shoestring budget....fuck, LSU probably spends more feeding their players than Boise States entire football budget

[King Crimson]

unfortunately, Boise State doesn't have any multi-billionaire benefactors that are willing to drop millions of dollars on the program...what they've accomplished, they've done in 15 years on a shoestring budget....fuck, LSU probably spends more feeding their players than Boise States entire football budget

possibly, but since there's a lot of Boise interest in Boulder....for better/worse....my understanding is that Boise's facilities are vastly superior to other WAC teams and budget dwarfs that of its conference mates. true or not true? so, from what i understand and i've never seen the numbers.....it's not exactly a "shoestring" by comparison to BSU's peers.

[MuchoBulls]

Tough to gain respect and be taken seriously when you play in a 35,000 seat stadium with ugly blue turf.

And one where the stadium isn't full for every home game.

[Screw_Michigan]

Tough to gain respect and be taken seriously when you play in a 35,000 seat stadium with ugly blue turf.

And one where the stadium isn't full for every home game.

Wasn't aware butts in seats = quality of program.

Sin,

Auburn every fucking season except for 04, 10; Notre Dame, scU-M

[Felix]

possibly, but since there's a lot of Boise interest in Boulder....for better/worse....my understanding is that Boise's facilities are vastly superior to other WAC teams and budget dwarfs that of its conference mates. true or not true? so, from what i understand and i've never seen the numbers.....it's not exactly a "shoestring" by comparison to BSU's peers.

it's absolutely true, but what they've got they've earned through their accomplishments...that's called growing a program....I've read countless posts here that essentially say "Boise should upgrade their facilities"-that's what their doing as money permits....look, you can't simply compare Boise State to an SEC school, without looking at the total picture...you want to compare their schedule with that of SEC teams, but then dismiss the monetary aspects of it, which is patently unfair

[Killian]

Don't get me wrong, I'm a BSU-Bitch-and-Moaneras well, but what no one seems to be taking into account is that BSU is ditching the WAC and joining the MWC next season.

On the outside they appear to be. But until they stop demanding ridiculious pay out fees for home and homes, or agree to some 2 for 1's, they aren't trying as hard as they could.

FSU, Miami, all the teams who have made it big have gone through that at some point. BSU shouldn't be any different.

[Felix]

But until they stop demanding ridiculious pay out fees for home and homes, or agree to some 2 for 1's, they aren't trying as hard as they could.

they have.....Virginia Tech is a one and done, Ole Miss will be a one and done....and exactly what do you consider to be a "ridiculous pay out"....Nebraska was brought up earlier and BSU had asked for $1,000,000 for a Nebraska home game....Is paying Boise State a $1,000,000 really that outlandish, when they willingly paid the University of Idaho $800,000? I'm pretty sure that Boise State fans would generate a lot more than the $200,000 difference from what they paid Idaho, so personally, I don't see it as being outlandish comparatively speaking

[SunCoastSooner]

Peterson may stay put just like Mark Few.

Oh, I'm guessing he'd take Chip Kelley's job in the blink of an eye.

You're on drugs...

[MuchoBulls]

Tough to gain respect and be taken seriously when you play in a 35,000 seat stadium with ugly blue turf.

And one where the stadium isn't full for every home game.

Wasn't aware butts in seats = quality of program.

Sin,

Auburn every fucking season except for 04, 10; Notre Dame, scU-M

Nice one.

In all seriousness though, you'd expect them to fill the small stadium they have regardless of what day of the week they're playing and who they are playing against.

[TheJON]

What the hell does past Boise State coaches' success at BCS schools have to do with Chris Peterson and this current Boise State team?

Let me get this straight...........

Boise State played a game on a Tuesday night, so they aren't any good?
Dirk Koetter and Dan Hawkins have sucked at BCS schools so the 2010 Boise State football team isn't any good?

What the fuck do EITHER of those have to do with anything?

Is it lame to play on a Tuesday night? Sure. But does the fact that they played on a Tuesday night somehow lessen the abilities of this team? Ummm.....no.

Oh, and if you're going to rip on Boise State because their coaches fail elsewhere then you better come down hard on DickRod because he's 13-19 since leaving West Virginia. Just sayin'.....

[Bucmonkey]

B.S. will be an afterthought soon enough.

[M Club]

Vandy, Indiana, Minnesota, BC, etc would roll thru BCS's conference schedule. Just like the Broncos do.

ja, let's roll out their ooc history and actually project how well they'd do in the wac. your arguments about boise become more and more desperate every time you hit submit.

[M Club]

in sum, we have:

- boise sucks because they share a conference with bad teams.
- boise sucks because they played on a night where the laws of physics were the same as any other day of the week.
- boise sucks because their field has the exact same dimensions of any sec field though it's a different color.
- boise sucks because the number of circulatory systems within a 400 yard radius directly affects the quality of play.

we don't have:
- legitimate analysis of why boise isn't one of the top ten teams in the country.

[WolverineSteve]

They're a cute gimmicky program

with the gadget plays

and the blue turf

plays on tuesdays

Better than going 4-8, right? Of course it is. Hope you guys keep RichRod around a long while.

This is just an ignorant post on many levels....Rack you for staying true to form.

I never said BSU sucks, just that playing on tuesday is lame, and I'm kinda tired of the Boise schtick...blue turf, trickeration, etc.

My opinion....it's still ok to have one right?

[TheJON]

in sum, we have:

- boise sucks because they aren't in a major conference and fans of major college schools just don't want to believe a non-BCS school is as good as them even though they really are

we don't have:
- legitimate analysis of why boise isn't one of the top ten teams in the country.

I fixed that for ya.....

Legitimate analysis of why Boise isn't one of the top teams? I don't have one because I think they are based on what I've seen. They've got the speed at the skill positions to hang with the big boys. They're physical. They've got an experienced quarterback that is as talented and as good of a leader as any QB in the country. And they are very well coached. They run all kinds of trick plays but they know when to use them and because of that, they always seem to work.

I don't give a shit if they played on a Tuesday (though I do agree it is lame). I don't give a crap that their field is Blue (though it is kind of annoying to watch their games in HD). I also don't give a damn that Dan Hawkins sucks at Colorado. Absolutely NONE of that is relevant to how good or bad Boise State's 2010 football team is. So, like m club said, none of you arguing against them have actually provided any reasonable takes. Not that I'm surprised by that.

[M Club]

They would NOT fare well in any major conference.

really? break it down for us then? all you ever do is go "wahhhhhhhh, boise plays in a shit conference." what, slow receivers? undersized offensive line? 200 lb linebackers running 5.9 40s who don't tackle well? poor schemes?

Could they beat most any team on a particular night? Sure...they probably could. But not if they played that quality opposition each week.

oh, i get it: they could beat just about any team in the country but if they had to play a couple decent ones in a row they'd become a bad football team. great take, jon.

It's plain un-American to...

...tell half the members of d-1a football they're ineligible for the national championship because of their humble beginnings. see how easy it was to appropriate some vague idea of "america"?

[Goober McTuber]

in sum, we have:

- boise sucks because they share a conference with bad teams.
- boise sucks because they played on a night where the laws of physics were the same as any other day of the week.
- boise sucks because their field has the exact same dimensions of any sec field though it's a different color.
- boise sucks because the number of circulatory systems within a 400 yard radius directly affects the quality of play.

we don't have:
- legitimate analysis of why boise isn't one of the top ten teams in the country.

RACK.

[Screw_Michigan]

I'll second that. Sam, just shut up already.

[Screw_Michigan]

That was five years ago, moron. Now GA blows Testical Tuesdays and Michigan is a bottom feeder. Your arguments are just pathetic.

Let's see some real, specific facts and analysis or just shove it.

[Screw_Michigan]

My point being: either Georgia or Michigan would beat BSU now.

Do you actually think when you write? This is so mind-numbingly ignorant. Your logic is absolutely baffling.

[SunCoastSooner]

Georgia wasn't eve able to beat the worst team in the Big 12... :doh: Put the pipe down SS.

[M Club]

if...

you're right, you have cited that numerous times before.

funny, if random team and boise state get a month-long running start at each other, boise can beat anyone. yet stick those teams in the same conference and boise all of a sudden has no shot.


also:

This is so simple: the Broncos can't recruit the level of athletes that Big Ten and SEC schools get. Over the course of a season, BSU would never go undefeated playing week in and week out in a major conference. It's damn ridiculous to think they would.

could you waffle any more? first it's they can't go undefeated, then it's they'd be a bottom feeder, then it's back to this thing about going undefeated. you know why they'd probably never go undefeated in a bcs conference? because hardly any team ever goes undefeated. find a different straw man.

[Mace]

I looked up the numbers several months ago, and I'm not going to do it again, but Boise sends far fewer athletes to the NFL than the other schools in the top 10-25, which is testament to the fact that they recruit lesser athletes than the other top teams. I posted that a few months ago and the response I received was "yeah, but if they were in the Big 10/Big 12/PAC 10/SEC, they'd be able to recruit better". Maybe so, but they are not in the Big 10/Big 12/Pac10/SEC, and they do not recruit the quality players that are found in those conferences. Dins pointed out this week that they would not meet the academic standards to ever be invited into the PAC and the same would be true for the Big 10, and probably for the SEC and Big 12. None of which really matters because they will never be invited into a major conference. They can outrecruit the members of the WAC because their facilities are better than the other schools in the conference, but they cannot recruit the best athletes because their facilities pale in comparison to the major conference schools, as does their pathetic schedule.

Boise is extremely well coached, and they make the most with the athletes they can recruit, but they are in no way one of the top 10 teams in the country...this year or any other year. Anyone who thinks otherwise is suffering from Cinderella syndrome.