One more time -- Global Warming

[smackaholic]

the sahara is the largest desert on the planet. 20,000 years ago it was green. this change occured before recorded history.

the planet changes. get over it.

we are capable of fukking up local areas, no denying that, but to think our influence is that great or necessarily a bad thing, gives man too much credit,.

[LTS TRN 2]

You are a pathetic moron. Such simplistic idiocy is shameful and a disgrace to whatever school you attended. You're probably also a Christer, no surprise.

The notion that "fucking up a local area" somehow doesn't connect to the global scale is so inane as to disqualify you from any consideration.

Start with rising acidity levels in the oceans. Okay? Try to explain how this "isn't necessarily a bad thing." Same with the quickly disappearing ozone layer. How about toxic waste? You've got nothing and you know it.

[War Wagon]

We already have altered the earth's delicate ecosystem in a variety of ways.

Oh please, bitch. This 'delicate' planet is infinitely more able to recover from any man made damage than your fragile psyche can imagine. We're ants crawling around on this piece of rock, no more able to affect the climate than ants are to fly airplanes.

What a preposterous charlatan to presume that humans are in control. You really need to get over yourself.

[smackaholic]

You are a pathetic moron. Such simplistic idiocy is shameful and a disgrace to whatever school you attended. You're probably also a Christer, no surprise.

The notion that "fucking up a local area" somehow doesn't connect to the global scale is so inane as to disqualify you from any consideration.

Start with rising acidity levels in the oceans. Okay? Try to explain how this "isn't necessarily a bad thing." Same with the quickly disappearing ozone layer. How about toxic waste? You've got nothing and you know it.

Not a christer in the least. I would characterize myself as an extremely doubtful agnostic who thinks that if by some miracle g0d does exist, he's a fukking asshole.

how is pointing out the difference of local areas and an entir eplanet hard for you to grasp?

as for rising acidity, i don't know if it's true, if we caused it or if it's bad. i also don't know if it is self regulating. i suspect it is since this fukking rock is still habitable.

[Mikey]

Oh please, bitch. This 'delicate' planet is infinitely more able to recover from any man made damage than your fragile psyche can imagine.

Quite true. Once mankind has rendered the earth unsuitable for human life the planet will recover in a relative blink of an eye, in terms of geological time.

[War Wagon]

Once mankind has rendered the earth unsuitable for human life...

When's that going to happen? Have you got your official LTS doomsday countdown clock running?

[Mikey]

Once mankind has rendered the earth unsuitable for human life...

When's that going to happen? Have you got your official LTS doomsday countdown clock running?

Not in my lifetime, or even yours.

But there's no doubt we are heading in that direction, especially if we blithely continue going on the way we have been and assume that our children and grandchildren will be able to fix the shit that we fucked up.

Whether it's 100 years, 1000 years, 10000 years or more, the time will come when humanity is gone. The difference between us and other species that have gone extinct is that we do have the capability to destroy ourselves. It may not take a planetary scale natural disaster to rid the earth of homo sapiens.

[Dr_Phibes]

Give man a little credit Wags, shit happens.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Give man a little credit Wags, shit happens.

Radioactive contamination and deadly isotope levels...

...It's all part of God's Great Plan. Changing of the seasons, sort of thing.

[Dinsdale]

Here's Spain turning into a desert.

:facepalm:

[Mikey]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsinan_glaciation

The Rose Bowl discussion can be found in the BTPCFB forum.

[Rooster]

"niggling lawyers" --LTS LRN2

Why do you hate black mouthpieces so much, hippy?

Btw, this thread is full of win for Dins.

[Rooster]

[quote="LTS TRN 2"]What inane gibberish!

This really is the Limpdickian circle jerk. Pathetic hysterical nonsense spun by fools and stooges.

Here's what's really occurring..



This looks like a CAT scan or an MRI of your diminishing brain function, fool.

[Dinsdale]

BTW -- that "patch of plastic garbage twice as big as Texas" in the Pacific...


also debunked... by a grant-whore, no less.


Still a problem, no doubt, but nice to see a huge fat lie exposed, and the resultant federal/internationasl powergrab that was going with it.

And turns out there's microbes that eat the shit... who woulda thunk it.

[LTS TRN 2]

What, is this some more Rusp Limpdick drivel you're dutifully respewing? Of course you're completely lying and offer nothing to support your bizarre inversions of reality.

Here's what's actually occurring..
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/transl ... bage-patch

[Dinsdale]

What, is this some more Rusp Limpdick drivel you're dutifully respewing? Of course you're completely lying and offer nothing to support your bizarre inversions of reality.

CORVALLIS, Ore. (AP) - Claims of an island of plastic garbage twice the size of Texas floating in the Pacific Ocean are bogus and undermine efforts to combat the problem ocean garbage, an Oregon State University researcher said Tuesday.

Angelicque White, an assistant professor of oceanography, said her research shows that garbage in the ocean is a serious issue that must be addressed. However, the actual amount of plastic in the Pacific would only cover an area less than 1 percent the size of Texas, she said.

"There is no doubt that the amount of plastic in the world's oceans is troubling, but this kind of exaggeration undermines the credibility of scientists," White said.

White also said it was misleading for people to claim that oceans are filled with more plastic than plankton, and that the so-called "great garbage patch" of plastic in the ocean between California and Japan has been growing tenfold each decade since the 1950s.

White has participated in one of the few expeditions solely aimed at understanding the abundance of plastic debris and the impact on microscopic aquatic life.

The expedition was part of research funded by the National Science Foundation through C-MORE, the Center for Microbial Oceanography: Research and Education.

White also said recent research by scientists at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution found the amount of plastic in the Atlantic Ocean hasn't increased since the mid-1980s, despite greater production and consumption of materials made from plastic.

She said it remains unknown whether more plastic is sinking or is being more efficiently broken down.

But she noted that cleanup presents additional problems, including trying remove plastic particles from ocean waters without removing phytoplankton, zooplankton, and small surface-dwelling aquatic creatures.

"These small organisms are the heartbeat of the ocean," White said.

She said that, during a recent expedition, she and other researchers discovered that photosynthetic microbes were thriving on many plastic particles.

White also said other factors need to be considered in any cleanup efforts, including estimates it would require an enormous amount of energy.

"On the other hand," she said, "plastic clearly does not belong in the ocean."

[LTS TRN 2]

That's it? That's all you've got?

First of all, she doesn't really dispute anything. Her suggestion of some microscopic entity eating the plastic is ludicrous and of course unsupported. My site offers far more information. And is unrefuted.

Got any Limpdickian denials about the rising acidity level of the oceans? What...nothing?

[Dinsdale]

My site offers far more information. And is unrefuted.

Unrefuted -- except for by a college professor from a leading oceanic science university, who is imploring people like the authors of your site to stop lying.

And yes, they probably just made all that shit up about the microbes they found feasting on the plastic after going out and taking samples and measurements.

Your "faith" in the bullshit spewed by those who predict the End Times if you don't conform to their doctrine is rather... christer-like.

[LTS TRN 2]

You're cherry picking whatever seems to fit your Limpdick agenda.

Here's what she says about countless tons of plastic garbage in the ocean..

Nonetheless, we did observe several instances where the feeding tubes of Vellela vellela which were obstructed by small pieces of plastic. These cnidarians and other indiscriminate feeders are particularly vulnerable to ingestion of plastics. Lastly, we observed several instances of species non-endemic to the open ocean residing on floating debris. In this regard, plastic in the marine environment may represent a vector for the passage of invasive species across ocean basins.


All of your "end of days" bullshit is just a smear and run tactic. You are apparently in some fetal-positioned denial about all sorts of things. The issue of man-made damage to the planet's ecosystem is just the start.

[Onions]

almost hit 50 degrees in the northeast today, all of the snow is melting

[Truman]

Okey-doke.

In direct violation of my policy NOT to engage cat-box-feeding, Kazcynski-school-Loughner-grade trolls, lemme ask you this, L-Tardomy:

The United States currently enjoys exactly 9.04% of the Pacific coastline. Even if you banned the manufacture and distribution of every plastic bag in America for the rest of eternity, just how do you propose to limit the rest of the world from contributing to the growth of that Texas-sized wad you purport and that Dins so accurately dispelled?

Seriously, Loser, if this Board had an auto-scroll feature you’d be the spokesmodel. I realize a Board needs its ‘tards, but would snorting an RTD bus or face-fucking an avalanche be too much to ask?

[LTS TRN 2]

What the fuck kind of inane logic is that?

Because others are doing something bad, it's okay for us to continue the same? Are you kidding?

Start with the fact that we right here in the U.S. produce more of the trash than any other nation. And ours flows right into the giant Pacific whorl.
http://greenanswers.com/q/63410/recycli ... most-trash

But that's beside the point. No one knows how to deal with such an unprecedented problem. And making it worse is the fact that it's a perfect storm of NIMBY, "needs more research," and not immediately killing people in dramatic fashion. It can get kicked around indefinitely. And yet it poses a toxicity threat of astonishing proportions. What with the extreme delicacy of our planet's interconnected ecosystems.

But I'm sure the oil companies appreciate your lock-step gibberish allegiance.

[smackaholic]

almost hit 50 degrees in the northeast today, all of the snow is melting

And yesterday it got up to about 15 degrees. What's your point.

[LTS TRN 2]

No, we need less garbage, which necessitates your dutiful self-composting following a brief statement which no one will hear--and would be glad they didn't if they were to learn of the sheer banality of your final fuming.

[Felix]

Except of course the ones that don't.

Seven Eminent Physicists; Freeman Dyson, Ivar Giaever (Nobel Prize), Robert Laughlin (Nobel Prize), Edward Teller, Frederick Seitz, Robert Jastrow and William Nierenberg, all skeptical of "man-made" global warming (AGW) alarm

and not a one of them an expert in climatology

[Dinsdale]

and not a one of them an expert in climatology

Checked out the rolls of the "97.6 of all scientists, and by 'all,' we mean 77"?

Unfortunately, few (and no one with any authority) of the psuedoscientists at the IPCC are either.

Isn't that an important question to ask -- why does the outfit that's trying to implement a global (read: American) wealth-redistribution scheme have psycholigists running it, rather than climatologists?

Shouldn't that count among the "things that make you go HMMMMMMM"?

And there's this dude name Dr Lindzen who knows more about climatology than the entire East anglia/IPCC crowd combined -- hard to refute, since those folks are using several of the advancements discovered by Dr Lindzen himself to try and sell their story... except Dr Lindzen says they're full of shit...


which is where their act gets pretty fucking funny -- they're employing their usual strategy -- "discredit the opposition."

Yup, that's the level of disingenuous nutcases we're dealing with -- they wat to use a bunch of Lindzen's discoveries, theorums, and the wealth of knowledge he's brought to the atmosperic sciences... while trying to tell the world that he doesn't know what he's talking about out of the other side of their mouth.


It's really achieved that level of comedy gold. It would be a lot morte funny if the goal wasn't to make the USA as poor as Africa.

[Felix]

Checked out the rolls of the "97.6 of all scientists, and by 'all,' we mean 77"?

from that site, I'm sure that's all they could come up with....but look, if you want an extensive list of qualified climatological scientists that are proponents of climate change, I'd be glad to provide you with it.....

And there's this dude name Dr Lindzen who knows more about climatology than the entire East anglia/IPCC crowd combined -- hard to refute, since those folks are using several of the advancements discovered by Dr Lindzen himself to try and sell their story... except Dr Lindzen says they're full of shit...

any climatological scientist that would say scientists on the other side are "full of shit" is a fucking moron....there are proponents of man caused global warming and there are skeptics.....no climatological skeptic that I know of says that proponents are full of shit...they disagree on what is causing climate change, but not many scientists will argue that the earth isn't warming

[Dinsdale]

not many scientists will argue that the earth isn't warming

Just the ones who've checked a thermometer, which is now in year 13 of steady decline...


there is that.


Which brings up a great quote from the East Anglia Creative Research Unit -- "HIDE THE DECLINE!"


Hell, NASA just went and ahead and changed the observed data, since what was observed didn't match their prediction, and dammit, they've got a budget to justify.

[Felix]

Just the ones who've checked a thermometer, which is now in year 13 of steady decline...

please provide me with the data and the source for this claim......

Hell, NASA just went and ahead and changed the observed data, since what was observed didn't match their prediction, and dammit, they've got a budget to justify.

what NASA did in scientific terms, is called SMOOTHING....it's used commonly in scientific research

[Dinsdale]

please provide me with the data and the source for this claim......

http://climateaudit.files.wordpress.com ... tments.png

It's not a "claim," it's a fact.

Hell, even the CRU and IPCC know it -- "“The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate."


Yup, since their models are falling to pieces, the observed data "must be wrong."

what NASA did in scientific terms, is called SMOOTHING....it's used commonly in scientific research

They took the OBSERVED DATA, and essentially INVERTED THE GRAPH.

That's not "smoothing," it's "lying."

But let's review the data the East Anglians used... oh, wait -- when it was requested under FOI, they destroyed it. Nope, nothing to see here, folks -- just shut up and give us your money to solve the "problem" that doesn't seem to exist outside of our private laboratories.


Isn't it odd how the "scientists" who depend on taxpayer money are in "the consensus," and those who aren't milking the tit all seem to think there's insufficient data to back up AGW claims? Kinda funny, that.

[LTS TRN 2]

Settle down, dins, and wipe the froth from your mouth. Look, you're babbling again, ranting about the East anglia/IPCC institute as though they are somehow the main basis of the entire Climate Change awareness and acknowledgment They''re not. Okay? That particular institute does not form either the origin of the various science and research or the efforts to address Climate Change.

You are a wind-up a-hole who listens to way too much right-wing radio. Like others of your ilk you refuse to actually look beyond your blindered bullet points--provided to you from hack strategists pumping idiots like Limpdick and Hannity with their daily bile, etc.

The facts of Climate Change are overwhelming and undisputed--except by the pathetic religious/reactionary sectors, period.

[Dinsdale]

You are a wind-up a-hole who listens to way too much right-wing radio.

A-hole, yes.

I haven't spent so much as 5 minutes of my life listening to right wing radio -- they're about as well-grounded as... you.

The facts of Climate Change are overwhelming and undisputed--except by the pathetic religious/reactionary sectors, period.

But they ARE disputed, and by the most knowledible atmospheric scientists out there.

[Felix]

I haven't spent so much as 5 minutes of my life listening to right wing radio -- they're about as well-grounded as... you.

how much time have you spent researching climate change and global warming?

But they ARE disputed, and by the most knowledible atmospheric scientists out there.

by most, I'm assuming then that you can provide data whereby the majority of scientists are skeptics of man made global warming......go ahead, take your time....and don't wheel out that "9,072 phd's have signed on" bullshit either......I'm talking scientists that are experts in climatological sciences.....

[Goober McTuber]

Here's a link with a little more info than Dinsdale's funky little picture:

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/

[Dinsdale]

by most, I'm assuming then that you can provide data whereby the majority of scientists are skeptics of man made global warming.

And therein lies the problem with the Desciples of the Goracle -- they've somehow become extremely confused, and now believe science has somehow become a democracy.


Do you really want to go down this road? We can start with the Flat Earth, and go from there.

[Dinsdale]

It was warmer in the 1300's (which the IPCC and Co. has outright LIED about).

Humans have had their greatest periods of thriving when it's been warm... but let's just forget that.

[Felix]

And therein lies the problem with the Desciples of the Goracle -- they've somehow become extremely confused, and now believe science has somehow become a democracy.

Al Gore isn't a scientist and I can honestly say I've never seen anything he's done......you seem to operate under the assumption that man caused global warming is some sort of "us against them" debate, and I can assure you it's not.....there are PROPONENTS of man made global warming and SKEPTICS.....

I prefer to read research prepared by scientists backed up with scientific data and I've read lots of information coming down on both sides of the debate....I just happen to fall on the side of the proponents, but I certainly didn't arrive at that conclusion by listening to fucking windbags like gore or limbaugh....if you depend on non-scientists to provide you your information, then your as fucking clueless as both of those idiots.....

[Truman]

....if you depend on non-scientists to provide you your information, then your as fucking clueless as both of those idiots.....

I'm fairly confident Dins was citing empirical scientific data when he suggested that the climes were warmer in 1300. All I know is that Idaho was once buried under a mile-thick ice sheet about 10,000 years ago and will most-likely meet the same fate again.

[Truman]

What the fuck kind of inane logic is that?

Because others are doing something bad, it's okay for us to continue the same? Are you kidding?

Start with the fact that we right here in the U.S. produce more of the trash than any other nation. And ours flows right into the giant Pacific whorl.
http://greenanswers.com/q/63410/recycli ... most-trash

But that's beside the point. No one knows how to deal with such an unprecedented problem. And making it worse is the fact that it's a perfect storm of NIMBY, "needs more research," and not immediately killing people in dramatic fashion. It can get kicked around indefinitely. And yet it poses a toxicity threat of astonishing proportions. What with the extreme delicacy of our planet's interconnected ecosystems.

But I'm sure the oil companies appreciate your lock-step gibberish allegiance.

Why is it everything you post reads like something out of Geddy Lee’s ARP Odyssey synthesizer playing the opening measures from Rush’s 2112 Overture?

You bounce off questions like a skinhead in a mosh pit. “Chust answer the fookin’ qwestion[/Stephen form Braveheart]”, Loser:

Even if you banned the manufacture and distribution of every plastic bag in America for the rest of eternity, just how do you propose to limit the rest of the world from contributing to the growth of that Texas-sized wad you purport and that Dins so accurately dispelled?

Answer: You can’t, because it isn’t there to begin with. Asshat.

You and every other sky-is-falling, nut-bag eco-wienie on this Board needs to be fitted with a Nietzsche-sized strait jacket...

[Dinsdale]

I prefer to read research prepared by scientists backed up with scientific data

Then again, I implore you to read this article, which... again... WAS WRITTEN BY THE GUY WHOSE DISCOVERIES AND RESEARCH THE Desciples of the Goracle HAVE BASED THEIR DISPROVEN THEORIES ON.


There's enough citations to fill a freaking library.