(!) Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (!)

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:32 pm

(CNN) -- The nominations for induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2012 have been released, and it's an interesting list.

First time nominees Joan Jett and The Blackhearts, Eric B. & Rakim, the Cure, and Heart will go up against returning nominees the Beastie Boys, Donovan and the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

The nominees are:

Beastie Boys
The Cure
Donovan
Eric B. & Rakim
Guns 'N Roses
Heart
Joan Jett and The Blackhearts
Freddie King
Laura Nyro
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Rufus with Chaka Khan
The Small Faces/The Faces
The Spinners
Donna Summer
War

"The 2012 Nominees embody the broad scope of what 'rock and roll' means," said Joel Peresman, President and CEO of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation.

According to the press release, to be eligible for nomination "an individual artist or band must have released its first single or album at least 25 years prior to the year of nomination." That means the 2012 nominees must have released their first recording no later than 1986. (Sorry, Justin Bieber, check back in 2034.)

Ballots will be sent out to over 500 voters, who will choose the artists to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Winners will be announced on April 14, 2012, at the 27th Annual Induction Ceremony, held in Cleveland, Ohio.

Visit rockhall.com for more details, and information about tickets for the ceremony.

Still no Rush. Donovan? Laura Nyro? Donna Summer?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:59 pm

Still no Rush. Donovan? Laura Nyro? Donna Summer?

Maybe they've been kept out for drug use or failure to cooperate with the media.

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:46 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:As we've said in here before, the RRHofF is a fuckin' joke.

That said, amongst the nominees you listed, the following are the only ones that should even be considered:

Donovan
Freddie King
The Small Faces/The Faces
War

Based on body of work, I'd consider the following:

Heart
Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Spinners
War

Heart gets extra credit for being a female-fronted band in a genre heavily dominated by men (yeah, you could say the same thing about Joan Jett & the Blackhearts, but Heart's body of work blows theirs away).

Guns & Roses was a HOF-caliber band, but imho, didn't stick around long enough to merit serious consideration. In-fighting killed that band.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:48 pm

Huh. Not a huge G-N-R fan, but I knew that Appetite was released in 1987 (hard to forget my freshman year at UConn.)

Some quick googling (sup not Sudden Sam) reveals an EP named Live ?!*@ Like a Suicide was released in 1986 (making them 2011 eligible.)

Btw -- the RRHOF sucks ass and Rush licks balls.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:51 pm

Live/Like a Suicide is a great "album." And Terry's right about in-fighting if by that he means Axl being a fucking asshole.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:48 pm

Heart should be a gimme.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:16 pm

Heart should have been in a loooong time ago.

G&R....meh. Yeah, too much Axl being an a-hole, but also they're riding on the strength of about three songs....not enough.

Donna Summer?! When did she do a song that was R&R? Let them open a Pop or Disco HOF, and she can go in there.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:51 pm

From that list, here are the gimmes...

Freddie King, RCHP, G&R, Heart. (Sam, their early body of work is just ridiculously good, then they became enormous—in more ways than one—rock/pop stars in their '80s/'90s incarnation.)

Debatables...

War, The Faces, Joan Jett, The Cure. (God, it galls me to say that.)

What the fuck were they even thinking in nominating these people...

Everybody else on that list, a few of whom have about as much to do with R&R as Elvis does with healthy eating/songwriting excellence.

Oh, and clearly Rush belongs in the R&R HOF, as do Yes, ELP and...gulp...Kiss. Considering who has made it in, how can Kiss be denied? Purely on musical merit, no, of course they don't get in, but there are buttloads of acts that made it in despite being utterly worthless musically.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:20 pm

Beastie Boys - Groundbreaking critical faves. No Sleep Til Brooklyn. But only one rap group at a time. Next year maybe.
The Cure - Godfathers of whiny emo music. No.
Donovan - Way too hit and miss. No.
Eric B. & Rakim - Best 80s rappers not named Public Enemy. IN.
Guns 'N Roses - G&R is the musical Joe Willie Namath. They had a brief, but spectacular career followed by years of pathetic attempts to remain in the spotlight. Still those first 5 years were spectacular. IN.
Heart - They'll get in. But they shouldn't
Joan Jett and The Blackhearts - Saw her get booed off the stage when she opened for Deep Purple. Nope, no way.
Freddie King - IN.
Laura Nyro - Who?
Red Hot Chili Peppers - The worst band in this group. NEVER.
Rufus with Chaka Khan - Nah.
The Small Faces/The Faces - Legends who should have been in a long time ago. IN.
The Spinners - Could it be I'm saying NO?
Donna Summer - Hell no.
War - One of the all time greats. IN.

So my ballot would be War, The Small Faces/The Faces, Freddie King, Guns 'N Roses, Eric B. & Rakim and a write in for Rush.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:34 pm

What the fuck is wrong with you assholes?

Of course The Cure should make the cut.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:37 pm

BSmack wrote: Eric B. & Rakim - Best 80s rappers not named Public Enemy. IN.
Guns 'N Roses - G&R is the musical Joe Willie Namath. They had a brief, but spectacular career followed by years of pathetic attempts to remain in the spotlight. Still those first 5 years were spectacular. IN.
Heart - They'll get in. But they shouldn't

You''ve got to be shitting me...you couldn't possibly be that stupid.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:42 pm

G n' R had one good (okay, great) album and a whole lot of sensational press.

Fuck no.

Same for the Beastie Boys. Some decent jams, but they innovated nothing.

And yes, Ill Communication has a permanent spot on my playlist.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:05 pm

Sudden Sam wrote: The whole idea of a pre-season college football poll sucks. It's an exercise in futility. There are good teams who no one's ever heard and there are shitty ones that get in 'cause they were popular. The pre-season poll is worthless.

Hooyah!

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:18 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:War should be in for this one song:

Although that guitarist's shorts would cost them my vote!

Not to mention Eric Burdon's man-satchel. I mean, really? What, was he worried that someone would abscond with his dime-bag while he was shooting the video? He couldn't just leave it in the car?

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:37 pm

Musical acts (see also, not necessarily R n R) that I actually like on that list are:

* RHCP (best on this list, and it's not even close)
* Beastie Boys (no, not just I/C.)
* Eric B and Rakim (if you weren't around in the 80s, you won't 'get' it.)

All the others suck ass, save for GNR. Which had one really fucking awesome album and was shit otherwise.

In case you missed it, Rush tongues donkey cock.

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:01 pm

Just change the name to the Pop Music HoF and induct every act that has ever gotten radio airplay. That being said, criteria for induction should be greatness, which is admittedly tough to define and highly subjective. As already stated, some of the acts already inducted and being considered for induction have never produced anything resembling R&R and are/were above average at best.

Even though R&R is commonly considered to be a fusion of blues, country, folk, & jazz, the only performers of music that isn't strictly R&R to be considered for induction should be those who played the blues. Rap, funk, & hip-hop artists should not be inducted - give 'em their own HoF. Miles Davis, Pete Seeger, & Hank Williams should not be considered. Muddy Waters & Stevie Ray Vaughan should. If induction were left solely up to me, I'd try to set aside my personal preferences (although doing so completely would be impossible), and look at factors that include, but are not limited to, longevity, prolificacy, record sales, radio airplay, concert ticket sales, innovation, and influence on other artists. It gets tougher when considering non-performers like producers, songwriters, promoters, managers, and industry executives. My votes on this year's crop of nominees are:

Beastie Boys (No)
The Cure (Yes, but less than enthusiastic)
Donovan (Yes, based primarily on influence since much of his work was more folk than R&R)
Eric B. & Rakim (No)
Guns 'N Roses (No)
Heart (Yes)
Joan Jett and The Blackhearts (Not a chance)
Freddie King (Yes, mostly for influence)
Laura Nyro (No)
Red Hot Chili Peppers (Yes)
Rufus with Chaka Khan (No)
The Small Faces/The Faces (Yes)
The Spinners (No)
Donna Summer (No)
War (No)

Artists such as ELP, Yes, Jethro Tull, The Steve Miller Band, and (ugh) even Rush should be inducted before many current/prospective members.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:08 pm

Freddie King? He's got my vote.

Faithfully Yours,

Kansas City Kid · Post by **Kansas City Kid** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:45 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
(CNN) -- The nominations for induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2012 have been released, and it's an interesting list.

First time nominees Joan Jett and The Blackhearts, Eric B. & Rakim, the Cure, and Heart will go up against returning nominees the Beastie Boys, Donovan and the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

The nominees are:

Beastie Boys
The Cure
Donovan
Eric B. & Rakim
Guns 'N Roses
Heart
Joan Jett and The Blackhearts
Freddie King
Laura Nyro
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Rufus with Chaka Khan
The Small Faces/The Faces
The Spinners
Donna Summer
War

"The 2012 Nominees embody the broad scope of what 'rock and roll' means," said Joel Peresman, President and CEO of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation.

According to the press release, to be eligible for nomination "an individual artist or band must have released its first single or album at least 25 years prior to the year of nomination." That means the 2012 nominees must have released their first recording no later than 1986. (Sorry, Justin Bieber, check back in 2034.)

Ballots will be sent out to over 500 voters, who will choose the artists to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Winners will be announced on April 14, 2012, at the 27th Annual Induction Ceremony, held in Cleveland, Ohio.

Visit rockhall.com for more details, and information about tickets for the ceremony.
Still no Rush. Donovan? Laura Nyro? Donna Summer?

Good Lord you are a faggot!

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:03 pm

Van wrote:...gulp

sin,
tardowen

bradhusker · Post by **bradhusker** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:54 pm

fuck, Hall of fames need to be really and seriously looked at by the congress. I am sick of the bullshit that gets in. The whole point of even having a Hall of fame is to honor the very very best.

Next, keep it genre specific, Have Hall of fames for every genre. ie. country, gospel, jazz, blues, etc... etc...

Why the fuck should Donna summer be up for consideration? She was pop, dance, disco, wasnt she?

anyone, I mean ANYONE who doesnt think Heart should be in should be taken out back and shot.
These ladies fuckin ROCK! ive seen them in concert, and fuckin shit, THATS ROCK N ROLL!!

You may not like RUSH, but, they are a no-brainer, they should have been inducted a long time ago.

Just remember this you freakin sickos, the man who sits on the rock n roll throne, is the KING, elvis presley, and rightly so. by the way, elvis is also in the country Hall of fame, and the gospel hall of fame, and rightly so.

Body of work is important, its how you get into any worthwhile hall of fame. Guns n roses album, "appetite for destruction" is one of the all time landmarks, however, the rest of their catalogue is pretty fuckin thin, some say aneorexic even. so, I'll leave it up to you guys.

If the people who run the Rock Hall of fame cant fix this problem, I think congress should get involved, maybe Obama can take some time away from golf, you know, to address this problem, HELL, he took time to work on his NCAA tournament bracket?

and, if Obama could ultimately correct this situation, it would fix his shitty legacy a bit, NO wait, NOTHING can fix his shitty legacy, I take that back. Besides, what the fuck does Obama know about rock n roll, doesnt he listen to reggae?

maybe he can work on the reggae hall of fame, if there is one.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:01 pm

bradhusker wrote:fuck, Hall of fames need to be really and seriously looked at by the congress.

Yes, because that's a serious quality-of-life issue for most Americans, and Congress doesn't have anything better to spend our tax dollars on.

X infinity.

Throw in the towel, iriehusker.

bradhusker · Post by **bradhusker** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:22 pm

Diego in Seattle wrote:
bradhusker wrote:fuck, Hall of fames need to be really and seriously looked at by the congress.
Yes, because that's a serious quality-of-life issue for most Americans, and Congress doesn't have anything better to spend our tax dollars on. X infinity.

Throw in the towel, iriehusker.

Diego, did you listen to the Neil Boortz show a few weeks back? He spent a good while listing all the things that the left spends our tax dollars on, AND, let me tell you, its downright sick and
appalling.

These are fundings for things that the left and democrats love. Things like research for gay mens penis size and the effect it has on their self esteem.
DIEGO? yes, I'd rather spend the money on fixing the rock hall of fame instead of the million spent on that study.
in fact, I think most americans would agree with me on that.

bradhusker · Post by **bradhusker** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:22 pm

Diego in Seattle wrote:
bradhusker wrote:fuck, Hall of fames need to be really and seriously looked at by the congress.
Yes, because that's a serious quality-of-life issue for most Americans, and Congress doesn't have anything better to spend our tax dollars on. X infinity.

Throw in the towel, iriehusker.

Diego, did you listen to the Neil Boortz show a few weeks back? He spent a good while listing all the things that the left spends our tax dollars on, AND, let me tell you, its downright sick and
appalling.

These are fundings for things that the left and democrats love. Things like research for gay mens penis size and the effect it has on their self esteem.
DIEGO? yes, I'd rather spend the money on fixing the rock hall of fame instead of the million spent on that study.
in fact, I think most americans would agree with me on that.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:28 pm

bradhusker wrote:
Diego in Seattle wrote:
bradhusker wrote:fuck, Hall of fames need to be really and seriously looked at by the congress.
Yes, because that's a serious quality-of-life issue for most Americans, and Congress doesn't have anything better to spend our tax dollars on. X infinity.

Throw in the towel, iriehusker.
Diego, did you listen to the Neil Boortz show a few weeks back?

Sorry, I don't listen to lunatics (but apparently I read their posts).

bradhusker · Post by **bradhusker** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:25 pm

Yes, because that's a serious quality-of-life issue for most Americans, and Congress doesn't have anything better to spend our tax dollars on.

X infinity.

Throw in the towel, iriehusker.[/quote]

Diego, did you listen to the Neil Boortz show a few weeks back? [/quote]

Sorry, I don't listen to lunatics (but apparently I read their posts).[/quote]

Diego, if Neil Boortz is a lunatic to you, then I need all I need to know about you. YOU SEE, Neil Boortz is a common sense thinker, he doesnt stand for bullshit, and if you talk BS, he will call you or anyone out for it. SO, now that I know this about you, its you who are the upsidedown lunatic.
I can now asume that you like Bill mahr, michael moore, jeneane garafolo, keith olberman, and rachel maddow, ALL WEIRD left wing lunatics.
now I know where you stand, so, I can no longer take u seriously, thanks.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:45 pm

I echo all those who say gnr had one good album.

and then November Rain.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:25 am

As far as GnR and the Hall of "Fame" goes -- tough call.

As mentioned, they had one great album, and a couple of pretty good ones.

Hardly the stuff of a "Hall of Fame" career.

Other side of the coin -- they broke the death-grip the A&R tards had on heavy music through the 80's, pretty much singlehandedly, which deserves some props.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:28 am

Sudden Sam wrote:War should be in for this one song:

And Fernando Tatis goes in the Baseball HoF on the first ballot?

Same logic.

pron · Post by **pron** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:53 am

88 wrote:Plus, I would add The GoGo's because I've wanted to bone Belinda Carlisle for 25 years.

WTF, rules damnit. :x

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:58 am

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:59 am

Gotta go with Phibes here.

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:05 am

Nothing wrong with a big boned, prairie type of girl, it's a matter of taste

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:06 am

If your Rank'Em starts with the number 2, get thee to the optometrist STAT.

And some sincere advice, after finding that pic -- if you view recent pics of the GoGos, there's going to be a large withdrawl from your spankbank account.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:08 am

Oh yeah, serious "10" there.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:12 am

This was a cool song, though

Van · Post by **Van** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:24 am

Holy shit, I just read that Deep Purple isn't in yet either, and we're talking about letting in The Cure, Laura Nyro and Donna Summers? Who the FUCK is Laura Nyro?

Also...no SRV?

Burn the place to the ground.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:26 am

Van wrote:Holy shit, I just read that Deep Purple isn't in yet either, and we're talking about letting in The Cure, Laura Nyro and Donna Summers? Who the FUCK is Laura Nyro?

Also...no SRV?

Burn the place to the ground.

Agree 1000%

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:41 am

88 wrote:But now that I'm 47, I'm finding that there are quite a few more 50-somethings that could use a some TLC.

At 44, I'm keeping it in the 30's-40s...

But maaaaaaaaan, there's some horny-ass fucking WHORES in their 40's. Must be some biological clock shit or something.

Bless their hearts.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:54 am

88 wrote:He says that it is much easier to pull tail in his 40's as compared to his 20's.

That's not hearsay, bro. The game has thoroughly changed.

The New Game:

Step 1) Go to bar, any bar with 40-something chicks will do.

Step 2) Sit down

That pretty much covers the basics.

Add to that the fact I'm well-preserved (I credit the booze), and ridiculously good-looking for a guy my age, and it's on like Dinsy Kong.

As a bonus, most old chicks (the whorish single ones, anyway) have lost whatever hangups they have, and generally grow to follow instructions quite well... which is cool, if you're a fucking sick fucking pervert, like myself.

He said most of them just want to fuck as bad as he does.

OK, that's incorrect -- old bitchnesses like to fuck more than the average old dude... hence a bargaining chip on the table.

And I thought aging sucked... how wrong I was.

Unfortunately for him, he fell in love again and is now on the same sort of diet as me.

Yeah, I just kinda got over a case of that myself... and my middle-aged ass rebounds off that wall at a much faster clip than days of yore...

should make for some good messageboard tales at some point... although I'll keep the stories of the shit-eating asswhores to myself next time. Or not.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:37 am

Dr_Phibes wrote:Nothing wrong with a big boned, prairie type of girl, it's a matter of taste

It's that whole "Mary Ann/Ginger" dynamic.