(!) Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (!)

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:38 am

Papa Willie wrote: Laura Nyro - No.

the only reason I can think why they would nominate her is because of her song writing skills.....
I'm a big fan of hers but I gotta agree....no

Van wrote:Who the FUCK is Laura Nyro?

primarily a song writer, but sang some too....if it helps, she did some shit with Duane Allman

rush can go fuck themselves

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:42 am

And if the GoGos get in for bonablity-factor in the young years, then Heart becomes a no-brainer (and a "little-brainer").

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:02 am

Sudden Sam wrote:Heart should be in? Why? "Hall of Fame" implies greatness. Just 'cause they had two chicks in the band, they should be in? What did they do that was so great? I don't dislike them, but Hall of Fame?

Dude, you of all people... is it because they were chicks?

In their heyday, the 6-piece with Roger Fisher, they were an amazing freaking band.

And I found this to back my claims.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:55 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Sudden Sam wrote:In their heyday, the 6-piece with Roger Fisher, they were an amazing freaking band.

I work with his ex. :o

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:57 am

Diego in Seattle wrote:

I work with his ex.

Fisher?

Ann's his ex, too.

I hear Ann's son (from when she was very young) is quite the prick-about-town.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:03 am

Obviously I'm not referring to Ann (& I haven't heard anything about her son). Roger's ex still speaks quite well of him.

Van · Post by **Van** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:06 am

Dins wrote:In their heyday, the 6-piece with Roger Fisher, they were an amazing freaking band.

Absofuckinglutely...

Sam, you're really missing the boat on this one. This is a no-doubt band, and I'd even go so far as to make the case that Ann Wilson is the best vocalist rock has ever seen. She's certainly at least in the discussion.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:17 am

No argument on Ann's vocal abilities, but Nancy is just a monster on the accoustic guitar as well.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:23 am

Van wrote:I'd even go so far as to make the case that Ann Wilson is the best vocalist rock has ever seen. She's certainly at least in the discussion.

I've had her in the discussion for as long as I can remember. Certainly one of the greats.

And add to that, Heart is possibly sporting the best rhythm guitarist the business has ever seen...

Whole buncha talent there.

pull your head out, Sam.

bradhusker · Post by **bradhusker** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:43 am

88 wrote:I have a thang for redheads with pretty faces.

ok, dont laugh, BUT, Ive seen the Go Go's live, and let me just say, HOLY SHIT! These girls fuckin rock out today!! And, I know some of you will give me shit here, BUT, these girls can qualify as a bona-fide punk rock band!! Im not fuckin around either, SOMEONE port over the Go Go's LIVE in central park NYC, they close the concert with a cover of the Ramones, "I wanna be sedated"!!! Fuckin watch that and tell me these girls dont fuckin ROCK OUT WITH THEIR CLAMS OUT!! They are bona fide PUNK ROCKERS!!!

Im having trouble porting over you tube shit, so, will someone port over, GO GO's live from central park, closing song, "I wanna be sedated",!! it rocks dude!!!

bradhusker · Post by **bradhusker** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:52 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Sudden Sam wrote:Heart should be in? Why? "Hall of Fame" implies greatness. Just 'cause they had two chicks in the band, they should be in? What did they do that was so great? I don't dislike them, but Hall of Fame?

Dude, you of all people... is it because they were chicks?

In their heyday, the 6-piece with Roger Fisher, they were an amazing freaking band.

And I found this to back my claims.

Let me chime in here with my BIG two cents! Ann and Nancy wilson absolutely Idolized Led Zepp, and it shows. these fuckin girls have been amazing for over 30 years now! ive seen them live a few times, and let me just say, they fuckin rock. Its a no-brainer to put them in the hall of fame, their body of work is classic, and Ann's vocals are legendary at this point, plus, Nancy just doesnt play amazing acoustic, but an amazing electric guitar as well.

PLUS, they are one of the few bands that can actually do a Led zepp cover, and actually sound great!!
Ive seen them do "black dog" and Rock n roll" live, fuckin amazing!

as for the Go Go's? Im not saying to put them in, all I am saying is that they are a bona-fide punk rock band! Anyone care to port over from youtube, their concert "Live in central park", they fuckin close the show with the Ramones, "I wanna be sedated", FUCKIN SHIT, these girls ROCK!!! OH, and belinda is so fuckin hot, and Jane weidlen too, I would drink their bathwater!

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:03 pm

Journey
Doobie Bros
Jethro Tull
Bon Jovi

Would've thought all were already in.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:06 pm

Bon fucking Jovi?

WTF is wrong with you people?

What, based on his 2 year run of making horrid pop music that catered to 16 year old girls?

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:13 pm

Dinsdale wrote:Bon fucking Jovi?

WTF is wrong with you people?

What, based on his 2 year run of making horrid pop music that catered to 16 year old girls?

I always assumed The Seer was a 16 year old girl. :?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:37 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:
Good lord, I'm coming across some cool shit whilst ripping all my CDs to my 2 TB box. Lupine Howl, Lindisfarne, Patty Loveless, my live Zep shit, Lez Zeppelin (obviously I've made it to the 'Ls').

Do you have any attire in your collection that isn't motor oil stained denim?

Christ.

It's cool Sam. I actually think you're a good guy. Not like Mikey who needs a Mossberg tonsillectomy.

bradhusker · Post by **bradhusker** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:54 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:Love the Tatis reference, Dins. I was just kidding about War deserving in based on that one song.

However...THAT IS ONE OF THE COOLEST SONGS IN THE HISTORY OF RECORDED MUSIC. "Overfed, longhaired leaping gnome"

As far as Heart, I can only base my opinion on their early work, which I like. Never heard anything past their 3rd or 4th LP. I like Heart fine, but Hall of Fame material? I don't know. I admit they're 100 times better than most of the crap in already...

I just don't see them up there with the greats...and that's what a Hall of Fame is all about.

But I can deal with them being touted in here. Just stop with the Belinda Carlisle/Go-Gos pics....PLEASE! Not a looker amongst them...and shit music to boot.

sorry sam, have to dis-agree with you on this one, Not a looker? I just saw the Go Go's live, and you must be gay if you think Belinda isnt hot. Jane too, TELL ME, Are you basing your opinions from back in the 80's when they were all plump and chubby?

DO this, Go to youtube, and watch the Go Go's live in central park, THEY ROCK!! watch them close the concert with the cover of the ramones classic, "I wanna be sedated" and tell me they arent a BONA-FIDE punk rock band!!! fuckin tell me!

after watching them do, "I wanna be sedated", I dare you to tell me they dont fuckin ROCK! I triple dog dare you to tell me they arent a punk rock band!!!

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:56 pm

Sudden Sam wrote: Not sure if you're addressing the music I mentioned or the fact that I own a bike, but I'm about as far from the typical "biker" as you can imagine.

Not "biker"...I meant "blue collar, unimaginative, Natty Lite drinkin' schlub"

AKA ~ Wags

But it's okay. We're still bro's.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:04 pm

I miss your PET's, Sam.

Good time...~sniff~...good times.

:(

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:35 am

When I listen to Vacation and Mad About You, I have a hard time telling the difference between them and the Dead Kennedys and Poison Idea.

bradhusker · Post by **bradhusker** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:22 pm

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why wont this fuckin work, dammit

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:39 pm

bradhusker wrote:cjIKjZy2Qi8

why wont this fuckin work, dammit

Fascinating stuff.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:12 pm

spinners>the cure

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:47 pm

KC Scott wrote:
88 wrote:I have a thang for redheads with pretty faces.
10 here and she's our age

ftfy

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:01 am

KC Scott wrote:just great marty.... now I have to add (G)ore tags to this thread

Why? Because you are afraid of women who are both beautiful and intelligent?

Get over your primitive fears.

pron · Post by **pron** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:18 am

KC Scott wrote:gotta follow the rules

Sweet Jesus, never saw that pic before.

Rack KC Scott.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:32 pm

There needs to be a Hall of Fame for the various Halls of Fame. None at this point would be worthy of inclusion.

R-Jack · Post by **R-Jack** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:52 am

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:There needs to be a Hall of Fame for the various Halls of Fame. None at this point would be worthy of inclusion.

Someone needs to open up the Derek Jeter pussy Hall of Fame STAT.

Terry in Crapchester · Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:33 pm

I think Belinda Carlisle got hotter a few years after she left the Go-Go's:

Especially starting around 3:10.

My Zysdale Belinda Carlisle story: My ship made a port visit at Portsmouth in the UK in September '88. Belinda Carlisle, who was touring the UK at the time, visited our ship. I missed her because the day she came was my liberty day, but one of my men was assigned as her official escort. Apparently, Belinda is much smaller than I would've thought in real life, no taller than 5'2" or 5'3".

That said, I'm voting a pretty solid NO on her being in the Rock 'n' Roll HOF. Sorry, Brad.

bradhusker · Post by **bradhusker** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:28 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:I think Belinda Carlisle got hotter a few years after she left the Go-Go's:

Especially starting around 3:10.

My Zysdale Belinda Carlisle story: My ship made a port visit at Portsmouth in the UK in September '88. Belinda Carlisle, who was touring the UK at the time, visited our ship. I missed her because the day she came was my liberty day, but one of my men was assigned as her official escort. Apparently, Belinda is much smaller than I would've thought in real life, no taller than 5'2" or 5'3".

That said, I'm voting a pretty solid NO on her being in the Rock 'n' Roll HOF. Sorry, Brad.

yeah, Im cool with her not getting in, but, she is soooo fuckin hot though!!
As for the Hall of fame? My rule of thumb is simple, Start at the top, Elvis, cash, berry, the beatles, the who, floyd, led zepp, the stones, of course im leaving out a lot here, BUT, the point being, you start at the very top of the pecking order, like I have, and slowly and with great painstaking care, work your way downward.

Which is what the Hall of fame did way back in 1986, the first legendary class, I forgot who all was in that "dream team" class, but I think it was all the essentials of course, Elvis, chuck, little richard, buddy holly, jerry lee, roy orbison, cash, the beatles, the stones, the who, Dylan, zeppelin, floyd, clapton, etc...
THEN, with due dilligence, work your way downward, careful not to fuck up and let barry manilow in, Manilow would go into the elevator music HALL. But, this way, the Hall wont get watered down.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:51 pm

How about those pinkshirts?

bradhusker · Post by **bradhusker** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:11 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:How about those pinkshirts?

congrats!!
my question is this?
so, say we beat ohio st. then michigan then the spartans then penn st. and run it.
does that mean we meet wisconsin again in the big ten title game?

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:03 am

88 wrote:I worked in an office building four blocks from the Rock Hall for ten years. I've never been in there. But people who have say it is nice.

Here are some groups/people I think are more deserving than the current nominees:

KISS
Rush
Alice Cooper
E.L.O.
Cheap Trick
Bad Company
Peter Frampton
Bon Jovi
Journey
Doobie Brothers
Joe Cocker
Steve Miller Band
The Cars
Jethro Tull
Thin Lizzy
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Devo
Willie Nelson

Alice Cooper is in. http://rockhall.com/inductees/alphabetical/A/

Replace Alice Cooper with Deep Purple and Yes, and maybe Foreigner, and that's a pretty decent list.

Triumph is another personal favorite for me. I think they have a large enough body of work, but maybe didn't stick around for a long enough period of time, chronologically speaking, to merit inclusion.

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:19 am

Martyred wrote:Same for the Beastie Boys. Some decent jams, but they innovated nothing.

I was never a huge Beastie Boys fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I gotta disagree with this.

First, while I didn't want to go to the race card, the Beasties were, if memory serves, the first white rappers to achieve an appreciable level of commercial success.

Second, you're forgetting about the rap/rock hybrid style that became the staple of a number of later acts, such as Linkin Park, P.O.D., Rage Against the Machine, etc. Yeah, one could argue that Run-DMC started that with their version of "Walk This Way," but the Beasties definitely took it to another level of popularity. They were ahead of their time in that regard.

Hell, a few acts that have received prominent run in this thread and were decidedly not in that genre have even experimented with that sound:

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:40 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:didn't stick around for a long enough period of time, chronologically speaking, to merit inclusion.

We should forward this sentence to the person who attempted to teach you English, to see if they have a stroke.

If a "redundancy" involves using two words that mean the same thing together to describe something, what do you call it when you use five?

Not two, not three... fucking five.

The problem with the Beastie Boys is that they didn't have a scrap of musical talent between them, got sued for every penny the had for stealing music (from a true R&R HoFer), and were offensive to the eardrums.

But if you're going to put them in because of their skin color (surprised to see this from Terry, of all people) in regards to "innovation," then House Of Pain goes in too, right?

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:37 pm

Terry, my god, that truly was a trainwreck of awkward redundancies.

Oh, and the Beastie Boys are to music what Charlie Weis was to "Eat like a champion today."

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:52 pm

"Period of time, chronologically speaking, for enough of a while, at this point in time, to have lasted -- in regards to the calender, to have persevered, long enough, through the ages..."

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:05 pm

Ever and anon...until later.

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:05 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:didn't stick around for a long enough period of time, chronologically speaking, to merit inclusion.
We should forward this sentence to the person who attempted to teach you English, to see if they have a stroke.

If a "redundancy" involves using two words that mean the same thing together to describe something, what do you call it when you use five?

Not two, not three... fucking five.

The problem with the Beastie Boys is that they didn't have a scrap of musical talent between them, got sued for every penny the had for stealing music (from a true R&R HoFer), and were offensive to the eardrums.

But if you're going to put them in because of their skin color (surprised to see this from Terry, of all people) in regards to "innovation," then House Of Pain goes in too, right?

Not exactly what I said.

The primary reason I said they had influence was because of the rap/rock hybrid. Yeah, they weren't really the first ones to do it, but they took it to a new level of popularity.

I also said I'm not a fan. For that matter, I wouldn't put a rap act into the R&RHOF, if it was strictly up to me, but it looks to me like that particular ship has sailed. I also agree with you on their lack of talent. That having been said, KISS didn't have a ton of talent, either, but they certainly had a ton of influence on later acts (including acts as diverse from themselves as Garth Brooks), so you have to give them serious consideration on that basis. Same argument for the Beastie Boys.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:23 pm

Nah. The Beastie Boys just plain suck, on every level imaginable. Giving them credit for anything is akin to celebrating the culinary influence of the 'meat' in a Jack in the Box taco.

Not only that, but they're also responsible for the single worst guitar solo ever recorded...

Neil Young cringed when he heard that mess.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:39 pm

Van wrote: The Beastie Boys just plain suck, on every level imaginable

Van, what were you doing when the cool kids were sneaking six packs into the woods to party around bonfires with their ghetto-blasters?
Let me guess...The Ramones suck too. Not enough guitar solos?