happy columbus day

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:07 am

does it bother you that when you were in school they taught you the whitewashed version of columbus' history?

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:16 am

Does it bother you that you swallowed revisionist bullshit whole without even a shred of critical evaluation. Columbus' voyage was a watershed event in Western history. So, yes, it absolutely deserves to be celebrated.

You wouldn't be the whimpering sack of shit that you are today without it.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:38 am

Careful mv...you don't want to upset any "civil rights icons" reading this thread.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:55 am

mvscal wrote: You wouldn't be the whimpering sack of shit that you are today without it.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:08 am

mvscal wrote:Does it bother you that you swallowed revisionist bullshit whole without even a shred of critical evaluation. Columbus' voyage was a watershed event in Western history. So, yes, it absolutely deserves to be celebrated.

You wouldn't be the whimpering sack of shit that you are today without it.

so that's a "no"

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:05 am

Don't know where you went to school, but I was never taught a "white washed version" of Columbus' expedition or the Spanish colonization of the New World.

It's not like the Aztecs were choir boys. It was one imperial power against another and the Spanish won. That's life in the big city.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:07 am

mvscal wrote:Don't know where you went to school, but I was never taught a "white washed version" of Columbus' expedition or the Spanish colonization of the New World.

It's not like the Aztecs were choir boys. It was one imperial power against another and the Spanish won. That's life in the big city.

we celebrate a slaver every october.

happy guy who took slaves to spain day. big reason for a holiday.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:14 am

Bizzarofelice wrote:
mvscal wrote:Don't know where you went to school, but I was never taught a "white washed version" of Columbus' expedition or the Spanish colonization of the New World.

It's not like the Aztecs were choir boys. It was one imperial power against another and the Spanish won. That's life in the big city.

we celebrate a slaver every october.

Every February, too. Whoopdee fukkin doo

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:18 am

that's now "president's day"

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:19 am

or are you tsalking about blak history month?

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:21 am

Bizzarofelice wrote:that's now "president's day"

Which presidents?

Ana Ng · Post by **Ana Ng** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:36 am

The Muslim ones.

It smells like Pepto Bismol in my house, and I don't know why.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:33 pm

Bizzarofelice wrote:or are you tsalking about blak history month?

I thought he was talking about Valentine's Day? I'm a slave to love.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:41 pm

It's like Cinco de Mayo, but for Wops.

Kansas City Kid · Post by **Kansas City Kid** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:19 pm

Bizzarofelice wrote:or are you tsalking about blak history month?

I work twice as hard every martin luther king day.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:21 pm

Bizzarofelice wrote:or are you tsalking about blak history month?

where' vic with that cartoon about "Niggggers get a whole month!"?

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:40 pm

Roach wrote:Sure I learned in 2nd grade about how Columbus and his motley crew brought smallpox, measles, influenza, bubonic plague, diphtheria, typhus, cholera, scarlet fever, chicken pox, yellow fever, and whooping cough to the Americas. Gotta clear the way for the great race. And get their gold.

And that he was the one of the earliest signs of Manifest Destiny. Later the colonists in the New England area used small pox infected blankets to clear the wilderness. Mere amateurs compared to Chris.

Same where I live now, except my grand dad just pointed a gun at them and they settled elsewhere.

More horseshit.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:08 pm

mvscal wrote:
More horseshit.

Take it to the OWS thread.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:17 pm

No doubt. Just for the record, germ theory wasn't validated until the late 19th century, so the notion of Spanish and English colonists deliberately using diseases as some kind of early biological warfare is totally asinine. It was an unintended consequence.

The biggest killer of the Aztecs and other central American indians wasn't even smallpox in any event. There were outbreaks of smallpox (and let's not pretend that Europeans were immune to it either), but the largest epidemics were some sort of indigenous hemorrhagic fever which was described in detail by Spanish doctors but remains unidentified. The outbreaks of this fever in 1545 and 1576 were some of the most virulent and deadly plagues in recorded history. They wiped out over 2/3rds of the native population.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:07 pm

I aways thought the biggest killer of Aztecs and other Indian Tribes were... Aztecs and other Indian Tribes

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:18 pm

mvscal wrote:Does it bother you that you swallowed revisionist bullshit whole without even a shred of critical evaluation.

Don't know about you, but when I was a little kid, they taught me that Columbus discovered America. So yeah, there was some whitewashing going on there, or at a bare minimum, a clearly erroneous view of history.

Columbus' voyage was a watershed event in Western history. So, yes, it absolutely deserves to be celebrated.

This may surprise you, but I actually agree with you on this point. Throw in the fact that, at least in my neck of the woods, Columbus Day is usually the last holiday before the weather takes a decided turn for the worse, and yeah, I'm voting to keep it.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:46 pm

People should celebrate Columbus Day every time they look at their dinner plate. Corn, tomatoes, potatoes, most beans, squash, chili peppers, chocolate and vanilla were all part of the Columbian Exchange.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:30 pm

Cuda wrote:I aways thought the biggest killer of Aztecs and other Indian Tribes were... Aztecs and other Indian Tribes

That's right. I know because I watched Apocalypto. Twice.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:50 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote: Don't know about you, but when I was a little kid, they taught me that Columbus discovered America. So yeah, there was some whitewashing going on there, or at a bare minimum, a clearly erroneous view of history.

It wasn't whitewashing or erroneous.

Columbus discovered the new world for euros. They did not know it was there. They thought they'd find china.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:58 pm

What about the Vikings? Weren't they Euros?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:59 pm

Vikings were shitting on North American police cars centuries before Rudy Ravioli showed up.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:00 am

Van wrote:What about the Vikings? Weren't they Euros?

I think they discovered Canada. Who cares?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:02 am

Mikey wrote:
Van wrote:What about the Vikings? Weren't they Euros?
I think they discovered Canada. Who cares?

I hope your face discovers powder burns.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:42 am

Van wrote:What about the Vikings? Weren't they Euros?

The Viking explorations were forgotten by their own people and had zero influence on future events. It was Columbus who opened up the New World to exploration/exploitation. It literally changed the entire world.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:57 am

mvscal wrote:
Van wrote:What about the Vikings? Weren't they Euros?
The Viking explorations were forgotten by their own people and had zero influence on future events. It was Columbus who opened up the New World to exploration/exploitation. It literally changed the entire world.

what he said.

They settled greenland, back when it was green. then a cold spell hit, probably because people weren't driving enough SUVs yet. Greenland became the cold miserable uninhabitable place it is today, so they went home.

Van · Post by **Van** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:22 am

Well, they also made it past Greenland, all the way to eastern Canada. Then again, maybe they're partly to blame for Marty, plus they never did win a Super Bowl, so fuck 'em.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:29 am

there were no sweet, sweet slaves to gather so the Vikings didn't see much use for the land.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:31 am

Van wrote:Well, they also made it past Greenland, all the way to eastern Canada. Then again, maybe they're partly to blame for Marty, plus they never did win a Super Bowl, so fuck 'em.

so, they made it to newfie and maybe nova scotia. big whoop! bottom line is, they decided canada was teh suck ( a little ahead of the curve on that one) and decided to take their raping and pillaging back to euroland.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:33 am

At least they had the good sense to shit-can Tarvaris Jackson.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:37 am

No doubt many a Viking dick got wet with one of these...

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:40 am

Bjorn got busy with this...

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:58 am

Martyred wrote:No doubt many a Viking dick got wet with one of these...

... and 9 months later...

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:08 am

smackaholic wrote:bottom line is, they decided canada was teh suck ( a little ahead of the curve on that one) and decided to take their raping and pillaging back to euroland.

A legacy of smorgasbord and plankstek with mash would be tough to live down.

titlover · Post by **titlover** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:11 am

Martyred wrote:Bjorn got busy with this...

some jewish chick in an indian outfit?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:15 am

titlover wrote:
some jewish chick in an indian outfit?

Why not?
I'm okay with that.