Goddammit, Iowa! (Part II)

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:04 pm

You know you totally fucked me last week. Seriously, that was just a bradhusker-level of dry raping. Losing at Minny?

So when it came time to do this week's picks, what do I see but another absolute gimme with Iowa +4.5 at home to a meh Michigan squad.

I go ahead and jump on it. Then I think about it...

"How horrible would it be if you let them do it to you again? Ummm...no. If you pick them, they will lose by forty. They never cover for you, and they always fuck you when you bet against them too. Just stay away from them."

I erase the pick and replace it with...whatever.

So here we are, 17-9 Iowa, more than halfway through the 3rd.

Fucking dicks.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:09 pm

Think I'd have stayed away from this one. Mich's O gouges bad D's but tends to struggle against ones that can limit Dennard running. Plus Iowa tends to rebound solidly from crap performances.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:28 pm

Everything seemed to point to Iowa covering +4.5. Just...everything.

And now they're up 24-9. The only way this doesn't happen is if I would've picked them to cover. I just know it.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:33 pm

not so sure teams limit denard so much as the coaches shit their pants when game planning against a physical opponent and decide denard should drop back and throw 20+ times a game. problem is the one or two times he's not horrible the receivers are. getting pretty annoyed with giving away downs via devin gardner.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:40 pm

Yep, and we can almost hear Chris Spielman's head exploding every time they take the ball out of Denard's hands. He couldn't agree with you more.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:50 pm

ja, i'm a big fan of cycling in quarterbacks, especially when one's as explosive as denard and the other hasn't seen a whole lot of things at game speed.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:15 pm

i threw a shit fit as soon as hoke called that last timeout. god fuck. blitz came straight up the middle three straight plays and still weren't picking it up. then a slant to some skinny guy who can't run a slant to save his life? ran that twice and fucked us in the ass both times. i already hate borges.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:16 pm

Michigan just got hosed. There was clearly conclusive video evidence showing a clean catch on that one-handed grab for the TD. The guy's knee hit well in-bounds, and he didn't come close to bobbling the ball. No idea how they could claim there wasn't sufficient video evidence to overturn the call. That one was easy.

And that was P.I. in the endzone on the next play.

Christ, Michigan got screwed there.

And the initial point remains: Goddammit, Iowa!

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:18 pm

they picked a flag up on an earlier PI call and the very next play (or was it two later?) denard fumbled. big swing there.

not going to get a PI call when you've jumped the route on a guy who has zero shot of shielding you off. our receivers were pieces of shit today. so was the replay official.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:19 pm

even if they got the td i'm not entirely confident the two-point conversion would have been something other than "have denard throw off his back foot while running backwards," so congrats on the 24-22 win, iowa.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:25 pm

I don't know what the line will be next week, Van, but you can take Iowa over Sparty....it's rare for the Hawkeyes to lose at home.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:28 pm

M Club, that's true, but there was no way they shouldn't have had the opportunity. Both those calls were obvious, and one of 'em was even reviewed. What more did the replay booth need? What possible explanation could they give to justify not calling that a TD?

As for the possible two-point play attempt, I'm with May and Holtz on that one: Let Denard be Denard. Get him on the move where he has the run/pass option. Having him drop back on those final few attempts was a mistake, and it would've remained a mistake had they done the same thing on the two-point conversion.

Go Coogs' · Post by **Go Coogs'** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:28 pm

Van wrote:Michigan just got hosed. There was clearly conclusive video evidence showing a clean catch on that one-handed grab for the TD. The guy's knee hit well in-bounds, and he didn't come close to bobbling the ball. No idea how they could claim there wasn't sufficient video evidence to overturn the call. That one was easy.

What replay were you watching? The nose of the ball hit the ground and shifted when he rolled over. Look at the rule, Van. Incompletion.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:34 pm

Mace wrote:I don't know what the line will be next week, Van, but you can take Iowa over Sparty....it's rare for the Hawkeyes to lose at home.

That's what I figured today, as well. Iowa at least seemed like a lock to cover +4.5...and so they did.

Had I gone ahead and stuck with my pick, though? Nope. Michigan would've scored there at the end, they would've converted for two, then they would've won by six in O.T. It absolutely would've happened that way.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:34 pm

Van wrote:Michigan just got hosed. There was clearly conclusive video evidence showing a clean catch on that one-handed grab for the TD. The guy's knee hit well in-bounds, and he didn't come close to bobbling the ball. No idea how they could claim there wasn't sufficient video evidence to overturn the call. That one was easy.

And that was P.I. in the endzone on the next play.

Christ, Michigan got screwed there.

And the initial point remains: Goddammit, Iowa!

I thought the play in the endzone was also a clean catch and, yes, it should have been PI on the last play....BUT it wasn't called that way and Iowa wins. And, like M club said, there's no guarantee that Michigan would have converted the 2 pointer to send it to OT. Bring on Sparty next week and let's make this division race go down to the last week of the season.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:36 pm

the ball didn't fucking move. that was never the issue anyhow: the ref said he was out of bounds.

i don't know what borges' issue with crunch time playcalling is. i'm still scratching my head over that absolutely retarded 4th and 1 call against state, and now these last four downs, especially the 4th down call. i guess the one interception at the end of the half wasn't enough and he had to try again, completely forgetting his qb isn't the most accurate passer and that roundtree is 1. slow and 2. skinny. douchebag has the fastest person outside of jamaica on his team and...fuck, i don't know.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:37 pm

Go Coogs' wrote:
Van wrote:Michigan just got hosed. There was clearly conclusive video evidence showing a clean catch on that one-handed grab for the TD. The guy's knee hit well in-bounds, and he didn't come close to bobbling the ball. No idea how they could claim there wasn't sufficient video evidence to overturn the call. That one was easy.
What replay were you watching? The nose of the ball hit the ground and shifted when he rolled over. Look at the rule, Van. Incompletion.

Not even close. He cradled it to his chest, clean as pie. The ball never shifted as he rolled over. Upon reviewing that second video angle even the announcer said, "That's a TD. This call needs to be overturned."

The P.I. on the next play was blatant. The guy's right arm wrapped up well in advance of the arrival of the ball.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:40 pm

Mace wrote:[And, like M club said, there's no guarantee that Michigan would have converted the 2 pointer to send it to OT.

eh, people only remember the screw job, no the specific circumstances. otherwise, it was while the ball was in the air during the 2nd down that i started thinking "who fucking cares if we score" because borges looked like he had nothing. iowa was coming and michigan didn't have anything to counter the pressure.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:41 pm

Agreed, he had total possession of the ball when he hit the ground. Should have been a TD and a 2 point attempt to send it to OT. There was more than enough evidence to overturn that call, imo....but I'm really happy that they didn't.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:42 pm

Van wrote:Michigan just got hosed. There was clearly conclusive video evidence showing a clean catch on that one-handed grab for the TD. The guy's knee hit well in-bounds, and he didn't come close to bobbling the ball. No idea how they could claim there wasn't sufficient video evidence to overturn the call. That one was easy.

Huh? Those plays aren't reviewed on a bang-bang basis. Ball clearly hit the ground. Didn't establish possession through the end of the play.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:44 pm

M Club wrote:the ball didn't fucking move. that was never the issue anyhow: the ref said he was out of bounds.

Yep.

i don't know what borges' issue with crunch time playcalling is. douchebag has the fastest person outside of jamaica on his team and...fuck, i don't know.

Yep. What is it with Michigan and their lack of willingness to let Robinson do his thing during crunch time? Denard-on-the-move is clearly their best option, especially near the goal line.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:45 pm

bwah, he swallowed the ball. the ball moved because the hand cradling it hit the ground. ball goes where the hand goes. michigan got jewed on that call.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:46 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Van wrote:Michigan just got hosed. There was clearly conclusive video evidence showing a clean catch on that one-handed grab for the TD. The guy's knee hit well in-bounds, and he didn't come close to bobbling the ball. No idea how they could claim there wasn't sufficient video evidence to overturn the call. That one was easy.
Huh? Those plays aren't reviewed on a bang-bang basis. Ball clearly hit the ground. Didn't establish possession through the end of the play.

Wrong. Not even close. He never didn't have full possession. The ball didn't shift at all. His knee hit...TD...he cradled the ball to his chest...TD...he rolled over while never shifting the ball from his chest...TD.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:48 pm

Not a fucking chance. That call was correct and obvious.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:51 pm

Van wrote: Yep. What is it with Michigan and their lack of willingness to let Robinson do his thing during crunch time? Denard-on-the-move is clearly their best option, especially near the goal line.

my guess is that he goes with the plays he's most comfortable calling rather than playing to robinson's strengths. not just limited to crunch time either: he's been square-pegging denard all year. i mean, four verticals every five plays. i missed the purdue game and most of the eastern game, so maybe there was time there when denard actually hit the broad side of a barn 20 yards down field and in stride. it's just not in his arsenal.

Go Coogs' · Post by **Go Coogs'** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:51 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Not a fucking chance. That call was correct and obvious.

^^^^ This

The nose of the ball was exposed to the ground when he landed on top of it. The ball slightly shifted when it hit ground as he rolled over. It was incomplete.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:53 pm

Which is why both announcers called it a TD after seeing the replays, then the guys in the studio did the same.

What the hell were you watching? The guy's knee was clearly on the black and he never bobbled the ball even a little bit. He had full control of it against his chest with his hand beneath the ball before he ever hit the ground, and the ball never shifted at all as he rolled over.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:58 pm

So the announcers trump the officials? LOL.

The call on the field was incomplete, and the refs in the booth confirmed that call. But shit, the argument doesn't even need to come down to that. The ball CLEARLY hit the ground. It's only a matter of time until the screen grab of this fact hits the internet. That said, Michigan did get screwed on the no PI call.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:04 pm

So what if a portion of the ball touched the ground while he was rolling over? He controlled it against his chest with his hand beneath the ball well before he rolled over, and the ball never shifted.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:06 pm

So what? That makes it incomplete.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:13 pm

The official said "the play stands as called on the field", not "confirms the call made on the field", so, in essence, it means there wasn't enough evidence to reverse the call.

Edit: Had the play been called a TD by the officials on the field, I don't think that call would have been reversed either.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:17 pm

Mgo, when a guy is holding the ball to his chest while rolling directly on his stomach, yeah, a portion of the ball is going to touch the ground. Unless his hand is the size of Andre the Giant's, some portion of the football will make contact with the ground. In and of itself, that does not make it an incomplete pass. He'd already controlled the ball before he ever hit the ground and rolled over.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:22 pm

This shot shows the ball was not under control:

More-so, when the ball hits the ground, it clearly moves.

The call on the field was incomplete. When reviewed, the call stood. Even if you believe it was complete (which it clearly wasn't) there wasn't enough to overturn it.

Good call.

If you have anything beyond your usual "Because I said so!" I'd love to see it.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:26 pm

The live shots in real-time showed it was clearly a catch. Your blurry photo there isn't conclusive of anything.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:31 pm

LOL, blurry? There is clearly enough there to prove his hand isn't underneath the ball. Where is the control? Furthermore, where is there anything to overturn it? Whether it be that still photo, the real-time play, or the replay? And even if he did have control at that precise moment, which he clearly does not, the nose of the ball still hits the ground after the fact. Hell, why am I even bothering? The burden of proof is on YOU.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:42 pm

The real-time videos showed clear control of the ball before he ever hit the ground, followed by the ball never shifting during the roll-over. Watching that second angle, it sealed the call. All that was left was for the ref to march back onto the field and say, "After reviewing the replay, the receiver caught the ball in-bounds and maintained clear control of the ball. The play is a TD."

When he didn't say that, I was every bit as incredulous as the announcers and, very likely, the vast majority of the viewing audience. When the refs backed up that blunder with the no-call on the subsequent P.I. in the endzone, I was basically saying to myself, "Oh, okay.

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And speaking of

, what the fuck was that Michigan St-Minny game? I mean, COME ON! TWO WEEKS IN A ROW?!

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:01 pm

So that's all you got? Your idiotic opinion and some dumbshit announcer?

You're a fucking moron.

It was an incompletion in two different ways. This was patently obvious to anyone with a decent set of eyes. Obvious to anyone with any knowledge of the game. And obvious to those paid to make these calls.

And speaking of , what the fuck was that Michigan St-Minny game? I mean, COME ON! TWO WEEKS IN A ROW?!

I asked the same thing when they almost beat USC in LA, and defeated a decent Iowa team. Minny is fucking WEIRD. Plus MSU has all kinds of issues on offense. A 28 point spread against the bare wind is a bad bet at this point.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:18 pm

Yeah, right, dick, I'm a fucking moron, and so's Mace and M Club and every other person who thought it was a TD after seeing multiple real-time replays of what was an obvious catch. Is this another one of your drunken rants, similar to when you stupidly claimed that anyone who didn't think MSU would beat Michigan is an idiot?

Jesus, get ahold of yourself, asshole.

Go Coogs' · Post by **Go Coogs'** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:24 pm

I was watching the game on a 200" screen. The nose of the ball clearly hit the ground and shifted when the receiver rolled over. I'm.33 years old and have 20/10 vision. Go fuck yourself, Van.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:42 pm

You might want to get your miraculous eyesight checked again and/or replace that TV because the receiver clearly did not shift the ball once he'd clutched it to his chest, which was before he ever even hit the ground.

http://detroit.sbnation.com/michigan-wo ... a-hawkeyes

There it is in real time, in slow-mo, and from multiple angles. The ref at the top is clearly saying that the guy landed out of bounds, which was the reason he called it incomplete...which was proven incorrect. The guy landed in-bounds, and that reverse angle shows that the ball never shifted once he'd clutched it to his chest, which he accomplished before ever hitting the ground.

That was a catch, the call should've been overturned, and you two can eat a dick.