'Spray, just for you, some Sweaty Knockers!

[Van]

Dude had to be thinking of you when he came up with that one. Anyway, this is his new band, The Aristocrats.

Ever wonder what you'd get if Scott Henderson had Jeff Beck's baby? (And yes, I could easily picture you wondering just such a thing.) Well, here ya go...



And finally, just a little something for your band to cover. Have fun nailing down that opening Albert Lee bit...

[Van]

I'd be remiss in not including something with this title in any thread dedicated to 'Spray...

[Van]

Two that I think would work for B Smack, the Eclectic One...

[Terry in Crapchester]

Nothing against the music, but I was still disappointed with the content of this thread, considering its title.

[Van]

Fine, here ya go, TiC...

[Van]

'Spray, this Aristocrats thing began as a search for some killer Black Sabbath, following Sam's thread the other day with the announcement that they were reuniting. While bopping around between old Sabbath clips, I found that one of "War Pigs" live from Paris in 1970, which was just so damn powerful...especially Bill Ward's performance.

For those of you who haven't seen it...



This got me to wondering, "Wait. This is 'Spray's favorite band, right? Or is Pink Floyd? Allman Brothers Band? Zeppelin?"

So, which is it? Forget about which is the "best" or "most influential" or whatever. Which of those four is your favorite?

Once I started thinking about that one, of course I went in search of some of my favorites, with an eye towards finding things you'd also like.

And here we are. Guthrie fucking Govan. The Aristocrats. Brand new band.

"I'm telling you, Govan is Jesus!"

"Look, I agree, he's cool and all, but Jesus is no Guthrie Govan."

[War Wagon]

'Spray, this Aristocrats thing began as a search for some killer Black Sabbath, following Sam's thread the other day with the announcement that they were reuniting. While bopping around between old Sabbath clips, I found that one of "War Pigs" live from Paris in 1970, which was just so damn powerful...especially Bill Ward's performance.

For those of you who haven't seen it...

THAT - was fucking awesome.

[smackaholic]

'Spray, this Aristocrats thing began as a search for some killer Black Sabbath, following Sam's thread the other day with the announcement that they were reuniting. While bopping around between old Sabbath clips, I found that one of "War Pigs" live from Paris in 1970, which was just so damn powerful...especially Bill Ward's performance.

For those of you who haven't seen it...



This got me to wondering, "Wait. This is 'Spray's favorite band, right? Or is Pink Floyd? Allman Brothers Band? Zeppelin?"

So, which is it? Forget about which is the "best" or "most influential" or whatever. Which of those four is your favorite?

Once I started thinking about that one, of course I went in search of some of my favorites, with an eye towards finding things you'd also like.

And here we are. Guthrie fucking Govan. The Aristocrats. Brand new band.

"I'm telling you, Govan is Jesus!"

"Look, I agree, he's cool and all, but Jesus is no Guthrie Govan."

BS can't touch LZ due to LZ's versatility, but, when it comes to ass stompin' heavy metal rock and roll, this is the shit right here. Not even the mighty LZ can hang with these dudes.

Thanks, Van.

[smackaholic]

...especially Bill Ward's performance.

bill doesn't play the drum kit, he prison rapes it!!!

go bill go!!!

[smackaholic]

...especially Bill Ward's performance.

bill doesn't play the drum kit, he prison rapes it!!!

go bill go!!!

Agreed. That's some of the most violent drumming you'll ever see, too!

Van - this was from a show in Paris that they did in 1970:


^^^There's the whole show.

Notice the difference in words. It was originally to be called "Walpurgis", but the record company thought it was a bit too "satanic", so they changed it to War Pigs.

Here's the original:


I actually preferred it when they started doing it tuned all the way down to C#:


Just had mo' ballz!

check out the extra stick he has tucked into his belt. wonder how many sticks he splintered during a typical show?

[Van]

Okay, after listening to both versions...the one in Paris slaughters the one from '74. I'm not even factoring in Ozzy looking like a rodeo fairy, not to mention that giant Gay Pride rainbow overhanging the stage.

Look, here's Rule One for any Sabbath show: It must be held at fucking NIGHT, preferably in a cemetery or abandoned castle near a foggy moor, but never in a setting that'd be perfectly fitting for a Captain & Tennille bake sale/bloodletting.

In any case, yeah, it sounded a bit out of tune. The Paris version is just flawless.

smackaholic, yep, Ward was just insane there, but when it comes to pure fucking thunder...



...especially with a groove...



...all wrapped up in one unstoppable lunatic force of nature...



...it's John Henry Bonham.

[War Wagon]

I know Van's intent was to give it up for Bonham on Achilles Last Stand, but my God, that was all Jimmy Page.

[Van]

Absolutely concur. The multiple guitar tracks of that song cannot be duplicated live, at least not by one person, and there's no way in hell Zeppelin was ever going to have session players share the stage with them just to fill out one song.

As for Bonham's peak, I'd say it's either here, in the fully realized studio version, which was also Zeppelin's/Page's untouchable-by-any-fucking-one moment...



...or here, where a rock drummer puts a bullet in the head of every Neanderthal mullet who ever shouted "Fuck yeah!" in celebration of hitting a crash cymbal really hard...



Think you can drum? Go ahead and tackle those two wildly disparate pieces.

I recently read an interview of Jimmy Page wherein he was asked about Bonham's most amazing drumming. Page said something along the lines of, "There are so many, but to this day most drummers could never handle what Bonzo does right at the very beginning of one of the first songs we ever put out, 'Good Times, Bad Times.' Those casual fills he does to open the song are just impossible...and that was a nineteen-year-old kid back in 1968."

Pay close attention to 0:13 to 0:35...

[smackaholic]

Van,

Getting back to the BS vs LZ who's heavier? thing. I just have to go with that '70 paris WP cut.

It is just fukking sinister.

You couldn't possibly sit with your grandma and listen to that, because you'd probably have to punch her in the throat, half way through. It's just what that tune makes you want to do. I guess I'm just saying that BS has more attitude than LZ.

Wonder how much felonious activity has been inspired by BS over the past 40 years? I'll bet it's an assload.

[smackaholic]

And rack the comparison between WP paris '70 vs cali '74.

cali sunshine and sabbath go together like M2 and heterosexuality.

the only place i can see BS playing in cali is maybe alcatraz with the fog rolling through or maybe in oakland at a raiduhs tailgate party.

and just wtf is it with ozzy and that cali jumpsuit deal? holly shit, he must have had to an especially bad mix of drugs to think wearing that getup was a good idea.

[Van]

smackie, well, sure, "War Pigs" is certainly a darker, heavier cut than "How Many More Times" or "The Immigrant Song." There is no doubt of that. We're talking nothing but primitive power chords played in the dirgiest minor key ever compared to riff-based pieces comprised of full chords and single lines.

I was only comparing the power of the drumming. Otherwise, yeah, no one is going to "out-heavy" Black Sabbath, not in terms of sheer, sinister-sounding evil.

Straight up, if ever there was theme music heralding the opening of the Black Gate and the Forces of Darkness marching off to war, these opening chords are how it would sound...

[Van]

And come to think of it, yep, "Achilles Last Stand" would be the sound accompanying the charges of Gondor as they rode out to meet the Army of Darkness.

[Goober McTuber]

Doesn’t Spray have his own sweaty knockers? Any dude north of 300 lbs must have some nasty manboobs.

[smackaholic]

smackie, well, sure, "War Pigs" is certainly a darker, heavier cut than "How Many More Times" or "The Immigrant Song." There is no doubt of that. We're talking nothing but primitive power chords played in the dirgiest minor key ever compared to riff-based pieces comprised of full chords and single lines.

I was only comparing the power of the drumming. Otherwise, yeah, no one is going to "out-heavy" Black Sabbath, not in terms of sheer, sinister-sounding evil.

Straight up, if ever there was theme music heralding the opening of the Black Gate and the Forces of Darkness marching off to war, these opening chords are how it would sound...

i agree with you on bonzo's power. dude was an absolute freak. he hits as hard as bill does. the difference is, bill winds up and delivers these blows a few at a time. bonzo can do it for a half hour straight solo, non stop.

i wonder if some physiology mechanics geek could calculate bonzo's caloric output during the moby dick solo. i'll bet it's enough calories burned to get 'spray looking like wags.

[War Wagon]

And come to think of it, yep, "Achilles Last Stand" would be the sound accompanying the charges of Gondor as they rode out to meet the Army of Darkness.

I'm not sure the LoTR references ever worked for LZ.

Sure, it was cool that they recognized Tolkien, but there is no copying a literary masterpiece.

Christ, 70 years from now, some dork group will be copying Harry Potter?

[Moby Dick]

this thread made me a little hard.

[Van]

Am I crazy to suggest that the first album even had some light jazz influences?

Not the first album, and not quite jazz, but if you kinda squint you can see the beatniks in black turtleneck sweaters playing bongos, and maybe even catch the scent of cloves...

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

I know this is a big weekend for everybody, so I'd just like to take the opportunity to wish everyone a...






HAPPY ISLAMIC NEW YEAR!




Don't eat too much, guys...