Burn, baby, burn!

[smackaholic]

sin

some backwoods FD in tennessee

Heard about this on the radio last night. they are getting ready to talk about it on fox news.

If you haven't heard, this area has a private fire department. 75 bucks a year gets you covered. some poor fukk had his trailer catch fire who wasn't a member. so when the FD got there they just busted out the marshmallows.

Is this right?

I think it is.

The FD defended their decision, explaining that if they put out dead beat fires, no one would pay.

How is this any different than any other form of insurance? You can't call GEICO after you wreck your car and buy insurance.

[smackaholic]

the fox news dips whined about how that wasn't fair. about how a doctor needs to save a dieing man even if he can't pay.

waaaaaaaahhhhhh!

the doctor/dieing man analogy is a poor one. we do treat people to a different standard than things, all though, to tell you the truf, if we did treat them the same, maybe a few more dead beats would buy health insurance.

[R-Jack]

So if I pay for the privlidge of the fire department to help me, I'd be mighty pissed if the flames from the burning trailer lept to my crib or if I suffered some other type of residual damage.

They call it "protection" coverage. Fires are dangerous. I don't give a shit if some tard's trailer burns in a vaccum. However if reacting to a non-member's fire helps "protect" my home, then do your job assholes.

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

There ya go, R-Jack:

They did, however, come out when Cranick's neighbor -- who'd already paid the fee -- called 911 because he worried that the fire might spread to his property. Once they arrived, members of the South Fulton department stood by and watched Cranick's home burn; they sprang into action only when the fire reached the neighbor's property.

[R-Jack]

That's what I mean.

If I pay for the service, then my expectation is to make sure nothing happens to my house if there is a known threat, not to respond once the inveitable happens.

Would these dipshits wait for a brush fire to hit my porch before they took care of it?

[smackaholic]

reading comp just not a strong point with you colored folks, is it, jack?

they did respond. they saw to it that their customer was not injured. they also pointed out that it is their policy to not help dead beats for reasons already explained. we aren't talking about brush fires in cali. they would likely knock such a fire down if doing so helped them do their job. also, there is no interest for them in ignoring brush fires, as brush fires will not pay up anyway.

[R-Jack]

reading comp just not a strong point with you colored folks, is it, jack?

Really, you're going there? After I recognized that fact that they did respond and disagreed with the matter of how they respond to their paying customers? Their policy is to protect paying customers. I get that and support it. If they know there is a potential danger to a paying customer and they wait until it hits said customers doorstep, they have failed on delivering the protection said customer pays for. What is so difficult about that to understand?

Pathetic try tard. You saying my reading comprehension is not a strong point carries as much weight as you being a home and garden expert.

[Screw_Michigan]

sin

if you haven't heard, this area has a private fire department. 75 bucks a year gets you covered. some poor fukk had his trailer catch fire who wasn't a member. so when the FD got there they just busted out the marshmallows.

Is this right?

I think it is.

Only a tard like you would think this would be up to debate. Someone TROTS this fucking thread already.

[smackaholic]

sin

if you haven't heard, this area has a private fire department. 75 bucks a year gets you covered. some poor fukk had his trailer catch fire who wasn't a member. so when the FD got there they just busted out the marshmallows.

Is this right?

I think it is.

Only a tard like you would think this would be up to debate. Someone TROTS this fucking thread already.

only a freeloading commie tard like yourself would not understand why they do it as they do. what part of having to actually pay for goods and services do you not understand?

if you want to argue whether or not they should use this system, make that argument.

remember, we are talking about a rural area with a limited tax base. they can't just wave a magic wand and pull these services out of their arses.

[Screw_Michigan]

OF COURSE IT IS RIGHT, YOU FUCKING IDIOT! It's a fucking PRIVATE FIRE DEPARTMENT! What part about this is so difficult for you to understand?

Again, what exactly, is there to debate about this? Nothing. Again, fukking shitcan this fucking thread. Someone should ban you for your blatant and inexcusable idiocy.

[smackaholic]

OF COURSE IT IS RIGHT, YOU FUCKING IDIOT! It's a fucking PRIVATE FIRE DEPARTMENT! What part about this is so difficult for you to understand?

Again, what exactly, is there to debate about this? Nothing. Again, fukking shitcan this fucking thread. Someone should ban you for your blatant and inexcusable idiocy.

i figured you'd be on the commie/anti-private enterprise side of this one, comrade.

i think they did the right thing too, you dope. i was just pointing out that some news weenies thought otherwise.

[Derron]

Fee for service is fairly common in an area that has no rural fire district. Expecting the town FD to respond to an area they receive no taxes from is not going to happen. They tried that in Southern Oregon in the Grants Pass area about 12 years ago, and soon shit canned that idea and formed a Fire District and taxed every one int he District based upon property values and that took care of the problem.

$ 75 a year is a fucking bargain for fire protection. But the necks never thought it would happen to them. Of course not, brewing shine or cooking meth, it is going to blow up on you eventually.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Welcome to your privatised future.

Enjoy your toll roads.

[mvscal]

Their policy is to protect paying customers.

And they did. What's with your hysterical hypotheticals?

[R-Jack]

What hypotheticals are you speaking of Vogelfucker?

I'm commenting on what actually happened per Ucant's post. They were alerted by a paying customer. They arrived to watch and waited till the flames hit the paying customer's property. They waited because they were proving a point to non paying customers. That's why I used the brush fire analogy. If it was a non-property fire, I assume they would stamp it out before any of their customers suffered any property damage. The private fire department chose to enforce a policy and it affected how they responded to their customers. All I'm saying is that if I was the paying customer who made the phone call, that would tick me off a little.

[mvscal]

All I'm saying is that if I was the paying customer who made the phone call, that would tick me off a little.

And why is that? You paid for the service and you received the service.

[BSmack]

All I'm saying is that if I was the paying customer who made the phone call, that would tick me off a little.

And why is that? You paid for the service and you received the service.

You do understand it is the LEVEL of service, not the service itself that R-Jack is calling slipshod. By not exercising a greater level of care, they put one of their paying customers at risk unnecessarily.

BTW, it was shit like this times 20 that led to the formation of fire districts and universal coverage to begin with.

[smackaholic]

All I'm saying is that if I was the paying customer who made the phone call, that would tick me off a little.

And why is that? You paid for the service and you received the service.

You do understand it is the LEVEL of service, not the service itself that R-Jack is calling slipshod. By not exercising a greater level of care, they put one of their paying customers at risk unnecessarily.

BTW, it was shit like this times 20 that led to the formation of fire districts and universal coverage to begin with.

R-jack was not there. The degree to which the customer's property was endangered is really not known. What is known is that his property was protected. Perhaps the customer was made a bit nervous by the FD's tactics. Too fukking bad. He can chose to not renew his contract and fight his own fukking fires.

What led to universal coverage was population densities great enough that it made no economic sense to have multiple private companies. A single company funded by local gubmint taxes made much more sense. This is not the case, apparently, in east bumfukk, tn.

[R-Jack]

You guys seem to be cool with your property being put in danger so your FD can give a middle finger to someone else. I'm just not the guy yelling "yeah, you show that deadbeat" from my front porch while my lawn is on fire. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Go get a handjob from a wolverine

[BSmack]

What led to universal coverage was population densities great enough that it made no economic sense to have multiple private companies. A single company funded by local gubmint taxes made much more sense. This is not the case, apparently, in east bumfukk, tn.

No, what led to universal coverage was private companies competing with each other for the right to put out fires, sometimes to the point that the original fire was allowed to grow unchecked, thereby taking out one or more city blocks.

[Derron]

What led to universal coverage was population densities great enough that it made no economic sense to have multiple private companies. A single company funded by local gubmint taxes made much more sense. This is not the case, apparently, in east bumfukk, tn.

No, what led to universal coverage was private companies competing with each other for the right to put out fires, sometimes to the point that the original fire was allowed to grow unchecked, thereby taking out one or more city blocks.

Bullshit. The concept of private fire departments is somewhat rare. In Buttfuck TN, they must be really backwards, since even the most tax poor areas can form a district, tax the property owners and come up with even a moderate level of fire protection. You got to be pretty fuckin stupid to think that a fee or subscription based fire service is going to provide a level of service comparable to a district or department. You opt out and you roll the dice. Pretty fucked up place to live in my opinion. probably hard to get insurance.

There may have been isolated instances of some type of fee base service, that had the result you cite, but it only takes once to get the populace on board with universal coverage. Fire coverage even in isolated areas, has always usually been provided by districts or departments with volunteers. It had very little to do with private fire companies. Very hard to fund a private fire department with the kind of capital outlays required. Fire engines are only about $ 450K each now.

[BSmack]

No, what led to universal coverage was private companies competing with each other for the right to put out fires, sometimes to the point that the original fire was allowed to grow unchecked, thereby taking out one or more city blocks.

Bullshit. The concept of private fire departments is somewhat rare. In Buttfuck TN, they must be really backwards, since even the most tax poor areas can form a district, tax the property owners and come up with even a moderate level of fire protection. You got to be pretty fuckin stupid to think that a fee or subscription based fire service is going to provide a level of service comparable to a district or department. You opt out and you roll the dice. Pretty fucked up place to live in my opinion. probably hard to get insurance.

There may have been isolated instances of some type of fee base service, that had the result you cite, but it only takes once to get the populace on board with universal coverage. Fire coverage even in isolated areas, has always usually been provided by districts or departments with volunteers. It had very little to do with private fire companies. Very hard to fund a private fire department with the kind of capital outlays required. Fire engines are only about $ 450K each now.

I agree that fee based companies suck. I would never want to live in a place like that. But that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about the historical background behind the modern fire district and why fee based companies are a step backward that reasonable people ought not to take.

Read the history of New York City sometime. FDNY was formed because competition between the original "volunteer" fire companies caused so many unnecessary building losses that the insurance industry demanded a single fire company be formed to eliminate the unnecessary fights between companies that would happen at fire sites and the resulting unnecessary property damage.

[smackaholic]

there was corruption in old timey NYC?

no way.

i would bet there was more in the public sector than the private.

no one here will argue that a single public run FD is a much better idea than multiple private outfits.

yes, believe it or not, even we knuckle dragging neocons agree with this. trouble is, you lefties point at instances where it makes sense and think it would hold true for everything.

[BSmack]

Although "Gangs of NY" is riddled with historical inaccuracy to the point where I have a hard time watching it, that fire scene does ring true to the historical record.