Tea Party lunacy

[Goober McTuber]

Editorial from our local liberal rag that I know you are all dying to read.

People regularly send emails and letters telling me that I don’t understand the folks who call themselves members of some or another affiliate of the so-called tea party.

They’re just ordinary Americans, frustrated with the way government is being run, worried about their time-honored American freedoms and wanting to make their voices heard. And that, after all, is what being an American should be all about.

No doubt that’s true in most cases. Even I can give the crew of self-proclaimed tea partyers who currently hold seats in Congress some slack, even if they were willing to cause the United States to default last year, not to mention pull the rug out from under the elderly on Social Security and Medicare.

But then I run across a story like one that appeared in the New York Times recently about how congressional tea partyers are just the tip of the iceberg. Local and state governments are being besieged for doing just about anything. In many areas, it’s become downright scary.

These tea party activists have been mobilizing around the country to fight everything from expanding public transportation to preserving open space, insisting that it’s all a part of a United Nations-led conspiracy to deny property rights and herd citizens toward our cities.

According to the story, activists are showing up at planning meetings to denounce bike lanes on public streets and smart meters on home appliances, all of which they claim are examples of government usurping individual rights. The much-heralded outrage against energy-saving light bulbs for your home is another example of it.

In Roanoke, Va., they threatened to remove members of the board of county supervisors if they approved paying $1,200 in dues to an organization that consults on sustainability issues. The meeting became so contentious that the police had to be brought in to restore order. In Maine, the tea party-backed Republican governor canceled a project to ease congestion in a busy highway corridor because it was allegedly part of the U.N. plot.

“Similar opposition helped doom a high-speed train line in Florida,” the story reported. “And more than a dozen cities, towns and counties, under new pressure, have cut off financing for a program that offers expertise on how to measure and cut carbon emissions.”

The story quotes George Homewood, a vice president of the American Planning Association, “It sounds a little on the weird side, but we’ve found we ignore it at our own peril.”

The tea party advocates base their protests on a 1992 United Nations nonbinding resolution, dubbed Agenda 21, that was designed to encourage nations to use fewer resources and conserve open land by steering development to already dense areas, something like Madison and other cities have been doing to increase population density to gain the efficiencies it offers.

The American Policy Center in Warrentown, Va., which has caught the ear of the tea partyers, has been pushing this paranoid scenario for weeks and has naturally caught the ears of the likes of Newt Gingrich and, of course, the tea party’s favorite cable channel, Fox News.

In several states, particularly Texas, Virginia and Florida, everything from so-called smart readers on utility connections to the purchase of land for public use has drawn huge protests.

One tea party protester in Roanoke insisted that the real job of smart readers “is to spy on you and control you — when you can and cannot use electrical appliances.” I’m sure Madison Gas and Electric and the city’s water utility, both of which are considering installing such meters, will get a charge out of that.

The protester also fumed: “They get you hooked and then Agenda 21 takes over. Your rights are stripped one by one.”

Ilana Preuss, vice president of Smart Growth America, a national coalition of nonprofits that supports economic development while conserving open spaces and farmland, said, “The real danger is not that they will get rid of some piece of software, but that people will be too scared to have a conversation about local development. And that is an important conversation to be having.”

Former Labor Secretary Robert Reich predicted more than three years ago that angry right-wing populism “lurks just below the surface of the terrible American economy, ready to be launched not only at President Obama but also at liberals, intellectuals, gays, blacks, Jews, the mainstream media, coastal elites, crypto socialists and any other potential target of paranoid opportunity.”

No, I don’t think the tea partyers are just frustrated Americans out to get their voices heard. They’re a dangerous threat to American democracy that we ignore at our own peril.

[Goober McTuber]

What a shame that I have him on "ignore".

And Sirfuckafold should be along soon to pronounce this the mother of all shit threads.

[Goober McTuber]

They are all Koch-suckers.

[Wolfman]

Can I call Sandra Flucke a whore with a mattress on her back? That felt good. Limbaugh was too easy on her.
Gotta go and sell my Carbonite stock.

[Cuda]

And Sirfuckafold should be along soon to pronounce this the mother of all shit threads.

it doesn't suck nearly as much as your last thread.

yet.

[Goober McTuber]

And Sirfuckafold should be along soon to pronounce this the mother of all shit threads.

it doesn't suck nearly as much as your last thread.

yet.

It does now.

[mvscal]

Editorial from our local liberal ra...

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[War Wagon]

No, I don’t think the tea partyers are just frustrated Americans out to get their voices heard. They’re a dangerous threat to American democracy that we ignore at our own peril.

I?

Editorials are normally a consensus opinion of an editorial board and not attributed to a single author.

So who wrote that horseshit?

Last I checked, tea partyers weren't trashing city halls, breaking windows, and assaulting policemen.

[mvscal]

No, I don’t think the tea partyers are just frustrated Americans out to get their voices heard. They’re a dangerous threat to American democracy that we ignore at our own peril.

I?

Editorials are normally a consensus opinion of an editorial board and not attributed to a single author.

So who wrote that horseshit?

Last I checked, tea partyers weren't trashing city halls, breaking windows, and assaulting policemen.

Well that certainly sounds ominous, Wags. I wonder what they plan on doing about this "dangerous threat to American democracy."

Sounds like some leftwing nutters have found their own "Tailgunner" Joe.

[War Wagon]

we see what Goobs plans on doing about it.

[R-Jack]

Editorials are normally a consensus opinion of an editorial board and not attributed to a single author.

An editorial from a single person also gets published in op-ed pages.

Besides, most small time newspapers pretty much have an editorial board of one these days. I would guess the only national publications have editorial boards, outside of a few regional rags with huge readership, like The SEC Coloring Book Gazzete or the Kansas City Self Ass Kicking Times or the Wisconsin Can't Grill a Steak for Shit Picayune.

[LTS TRN 2]

No, I don’t think the tea partyers are just frustrated Americans out to get their voices heard. They’re a dangerous threat to American democracy that we ignore at our own peril.

I?

Editorials are normally a consensus opinion of an editorial board and not attributed to a single author.

So who wrote that horseshit?

Last I checked, tea partyers weren't trashing city halls, breaking windows, and assaulting policemen.

Well that certainly sounds ominous, Wags. I wonder what they plan on doing about this "dangerous threat to American democracy."

Sounds like some leftwing nutters have found their own "Tailgunner" Joe.

"Tail gunner Joe" of course refers to the propaganda effort on the part of Joseph McCarthy to bolster his war record, It was revealed to be shamelessly puffed up and he was roundly ridiculed. His attorney/attack dog, Roy Cohn wrote a tedious rebuttal--in the current manner of Karl Rove--and the demented junior senator from Wisconsin properly ended his days in disgrace--and in a sanitarium.

Your point, Mall Cop?


The Tea Baggers as an entity are indeed Koch-sponsored. As actual people they are white, scared, racist, low-education, and fervent Christer. That such a constituency should gain power should cause anyone concern. Of course their "thinking" and statements are absurd and ignorant, but the factor of the Koch brothers is the real issue. These plutocrat trans-nationalists are the main obstruction to genuine progress both here and abroad.

[mvscal]

Why are you so obsessed with Koch? How does he, you know, "measure up," in dollars? Koch is in your dome.

[War Wagon]

While employing 50,000 people in the U.S. and 20,000 abroad, the shameless sinners are the 2nd largest private employer next to Cargill.

Wonder why Cargill doesn't engender similar disdain?

[bradhusker]

Last I checked, tea partyers weren't trashing city halls, breaking windows, and assaulting policemen.[/quote]

Well that certainly sounds ominous, Wags. I wonder what they plan on doing about this "dangerous threat to American democracy."

Sounds like some leftwing nutters have found their own "Tailgunner" Joe.[/quote]

"Tail gunner Joe" of course refers to the propaganda effort on the part of Joseph McCarthy to bolster his war record, It was revealed to be shamelessly puffed up and he was roundly ridiculed. His attorney/attack dog, Roy Cohn wrote a tedious rebuttal--in the current manner of Karl Rove--and the demented junior senator from Wisconsin properly ended his days in disgrace--and in a sanitarium.

Your point, Mall Cop?


The Tea Baggers as an entity are indeed Koch-sponsored. As actual people they are white, scared, racist, low-education, and fervent Christer. That such a constituency should gain power should cause anyone concern. Of course their "thinking" and statements are absurd and ignorant, but the factor of the Koch brothers is the real issue. These plutocrat trans-nationalists are the main obstruction to genuine progress both here and abroad.[/quote]

Oh really LTS?? You call the tea party "racist" "low education", really? How long have you been dellusional? Your entire life perhaps?

Have you studied "critical race theory"?? OR Black liberation theology??? Big TIME racism!!!!
Those two racist rags are closely associated with the LEFT, and, you guessed it, President Obama.

You mentioned "low education", again, associated with democratic voters for Obama. IN FACT, they did a "man on the street" segment, back in 2008, where hundreds of Obama voters were interviewed, and they were about the dumbest animals on the planet earth.

SO, LTS, it appears that once again, you are an idiot.

[bradhusker]

Isnt it funny how LTS tries to paint the tea party crowd as low education, scared, racist, etc..
WHEN IN REALITY, its the left who is full of scared criminals, low educated, and racist fools.

Black liberation theology, "critical race theory" are two rags which are full of hate and sick racism.
BOTH are very closely associated with liberalism and the left, most notably? President Obama.

In 2008, a now famous "man on the street" segment revealed just how stupid the voting block for Barack Obama really was, and still is.

It is a well known fact that "scared" is a term closely associated with criminals and thugs. Blacks represent 13 percent of the population in the USA, YET they committ 58 percent of the violent crimes!! Talk about being scared?

The occupy movement was filled with violence and all sorts of criminal activity, YET, somehow LTS tries to paint the tea party as such?

LTS, I can only conclude that you are a deeply disturbed individual, with severe emotional problems.
I would even go as far as to say that a person such as yourself, should be "baker acted".

[R-Jack]

Isnt it funny how LTS tries to paint the tea party crowd as low education, scared, racist, etc..
WHEN IN REALITY, its the left who is full of scared criminals, low educated, and racist fools.

IKYLESRBWAI?

[Derron]

bradsuckers incredible mastery of the quote function serves to bolster his take on everything idiotic. Helps support his position greatly.

[LTS TRN 2]

Why are you so obsessed with Koch? How does he, you know, "measure up," in dollars? Koch is in your dome.

The Koch brothers indeed spend tremendous amounts very strategically to keep the Tea Bagger element viable and potent. They have COMPLETELY funded the fake Climate Change Denial "expert" panels and "institutes." And of course they are leading the way in undermining labor unions. Case in point, their deep-pockets funding of Walker's union-busting efforts (and efforts to hold on to his job) in Wisconsin. In short, they are the highly motivated and extremely wealthy sworn enemies of the middle class and everything good that came of the New Deal and fifty years of of its benefits. They are genuine plutocrats who are the face itself of the grotesque separation of wealth in this nation which has dramatically surged in recent years as the disastrous effects of Reaganism have taken hold. They basically sit back and chortle as morons like Newt, Palin and Bachmann (whoever she was) spout their embarrassing bile.

[Left Seater]

In several states, particularly Texas, Virginia and Florida, everything from so-called smart readers on utility connections to the purchase of land for public use has drawn huge protests.

These tea party activists have been mobilizing around the country to fight everything from expanding public transportation to preserving open space, insisting that it’s all a part of a United Nations-led conspiracy to deny property rights and herd citizens toward our cities.

“Similar opposition helped doom a high-speed train line in Florida,” the story reported.

One tea party protester in Roanoke insisted that the real job of smart readers “is to spy on you and control you — when you can and cannot use electrical appliances.” I’m sure Madison Gas and Electric and the city’s water utility, both of which are considering installing such meters, will get a charge out of that.

No, I don’t think the tea partyers are just frustrated Americans out to get their voices heard. They’re a dangerous threat to American democracy that we ignore at our own peril.

Wow, the amount of misinformation or outright lies in this story are amazing. While he is correct that there has been huge protests, he leaves out much of the key information about these protests.

First let's look at the "smart readers on utility connections". He quotes a Roanoke citizen and then proceeds to make fun of that citizen for his/her view. What he doesn't tell us is that the citizen is in fact correct in the concerns about spying and controlling. Many utilities have gone to "smart" thermostats. These are programmable units that allow you to set different levels of heat and cooling depending on if you are home or not. What many have not told their customers is that these "smart" units can be controlled by the utility and they can shut off your AC during peak periods of electrical use. These thermostats collect info on the highest users and then know who to take off line during peak use. Many of these same utilities gave away these thermostats but didn't mention or glossed over the fact that they could control and override your inputs. Here in Texas, we don't have to worry much about blackouts, but more about EPA fines.


Second lets look at Florida and High Speed Rail. The author claims tea party activists got that killed due to some sort of UN resolution. In fact the High Speed Line from Tampa to Orlando was killed because Florida citizens didn't want to be saddled with the bill. Yes the Feds were going to throw in $2.4 of the projected $3 Billion construction cost, but the state and its citizens had concerns about the projected ridership. The Feds estimated that over 3 million riders would use the trains per year. Many felt that this was a crazy number as only 3.2 Million people rode Amtrak trains between Boston and Washington (including intermediate stops). So despite having a population 8 times greater along the established NorthEast Corridor, this Florida line would draw an equal amount of riders? Florida would have been stuck with the ongoing subsidies to fund the operation of the trains. Recent rail projects in Austin and Virginia have been far below initial estimates.

Finally he talks about preserving open space. This is nothing but a flat out lie at least as it pertains to Texas. Until recently state parks in Texas saw their funding capped at $32 Million per. This was set by the Democratic controlled Legislature back in the 70s. However, the Republican controlled Legislature in 2007 passed HB 12 changed how monies were spent on State Parks. The cap was removed and all of the sales tax from sporting goods was allowed to go to the State Park system. This comes on the heals of Texas citizens approving Prop 4 which approved the sale of bonds for infrastructure improvements at state facilities including the State Park system. Further Legislation has brought in an additional 18 sites as historic sites and therefore increased the size of the park system by 5.4%. Currently there is widespread support for the creation of a state fund that would be used only for the purchase of land around existing state parks for the purpose of expanding them.

With all that said, I am not sure why you posted that story? I would guess that you posted it to show how the tea party is full of horrible people. In fact this opinion piece either shows the lengths some in the media will lie to try to get their views across, or it shows just how gullible the readership is. Sadly both of those are likely correct.

[bradhusker]

Why are you so obsessed with Koch? How does he, you know, "measure up," in dollars? Koch is in your dome.

The Koch brothers indeed spend tremendous amounts very strategically to keep the Tea Bagger element viable and potent. They have COMPLETELY funded the fake Climate Change Denial "expert" panels and "institutes." And of course they are leading the way in undermining labor unions. Case in point, their deep-pockets funding of Walker's union-busting efforts (and efforts to hold on to his job) in Wisconsin. In short, they are the highly motivated and extremely wealthy sworn enemies of the middle class and everything good that came of the New Deal and fifty years of of its benefits. They are genuine plutocrats who are the face itself of the grotesque separation of wealth in this nation which has dramatically surged in recent years as the disastrous effects of Reaganism have taken hold. They basically sit back and chortle as morons like Newt, Palin and Bachmann (whoever she was) spout their embarrassing bile.

I LOVE IT!!! LTS uses the term "tea bagger" to make fun of and insult the tea party movement.
LTS lies about them constantly, meanwhile, ignoring the facts about the filthy liberal maggotts in the occupy movement.

LTS, have you ever been "baker acted"????

LTS has a lack of knowledge that is embarrassing, to say the least. Every time you lie, it makes you look even more clownish.

[bradhusker]

According to LTS, only scientists who fully support global warming and call it "settled science", can be taken seriously.

Meanwhile, the hundreds upon hundreds of scientists from all over the world who have come out with study after study against the "bought and paid for" scientists? They must be religious zealots.

LTS, I might have to have you "baker acted"

[Mikey]

First let's look at the "smart readers on utility connections". He quotes a Roanoke citizen and then proceeds to make fun of that citizen for his/her view. What he doesn't tell us is that the citizen is in fact correct in the concerns about spying and controlling. Many utilities have gone to "smart" thermostats. These are programmable units that allow you to set different levels of heat and cooling depending on if you are home or not. What many have not told their customers is that these "smart" units can be controlled by the utility and they can shut off your AC during peak periods of electrical use. These thermostats collect info on the highest users and then know who to take off line during peak use. Many of these same utilities gave away these thermostats but didn't mention or glossed over the fact that they could control and override your inputs. Here in Texas, we don't have to worry much about blackouts, but more about EPA fines.

Wow.

Tin foil hat much?

First of all, there's a big difference between a "smart meter" and a "smart thermostat". Do I really need to go into the details?

What many have not told their customers is that these "smart" units can be controlled by the utility and they can shut off your AC during peak periods of electrical use.

I'm pretty sure that it would be against the law in every state of the union for a utiltiy to start turning off individual A/C units, without the owners' permission, under any circumstances. If that ever came out somebody would find their ass in jail pretty quick.

We got one of these evil t-stats from SDG&E abouit 4 or 5 years ago. It's a $100 programmable t-stat that allows us to set temperatures diffferently for any time of the day, any day of the week. We got paid about $80 per year for three years (while the program lasted) to let SDG&E bump up the cooling setpoint by 4 degrees for a 4 hour period on a specified maximum number of days. It didn't even affect us because we keep it set high enough so the A/C almost never comes on anyway. And you always have the option of overriding the reset. If you're really worried about it, they have to have some kind of communication with the mothership (in our case a cellular connection) that would be easily disabled. I looked really closely for miniature microphones and web cams in the t-stat but couldn't find anything.

We also got an evil "smart meter" a couple of years ago. While it does have some very ominous Big Brother implications I find it to be very useful. I can get on the utility website and get my hour by hour usage by the next day. I can download daily, weekly, monthly summaries of my usage data and use them to help understand where my electricity is being used and how to save on my bills. More functionality will be coming in the future. You may be afraid of this, but I think it's pretty cool.

[Mikey]

Why are you so obsessed with Koch? How does he, you know, "measure up," in dollars? Koch is in your dome.

The Koch brothers indeed spend tremendous amounts very strategically to keep the Tea Bagger element viable and potent. They have COMPLETELY funded the fake Climate Change Denial "expert" panels and "institutes." And of course they are leading the way in undermining labor unions. Case in point, their deep-pockets funding of Walker's union-busting efforts (and efforts to hold on to his job) in Wisconsin. In short, they are the highly motivated and extremely wealthy sworn enemies of the middle class and everything good that came of the New Deal and fifty years of of its benefits. They are genuine plutocrats who are the face itself of the grotesque separation of wealth in this nation which has dramatically surged in recent years as the disastrous effects of Reaganism have taken hold. They basically sit back and chortle as morons like Newt, Palin and Bachmann (whoever she was) spout their embarrassing bile.

I LOVE IT!!! LTS uses the term "tea bagger" to make fun of and insult the tea party movement.
LTS lies about them constantly, meanwhile, ignoring the facts about the filthy liberal maggotts in the occupy movement.

LTS, have you ever been "baker acted"????

LTS has a lack of knowledge that is embarrassing, to say the least. Every time you lie, it makes you look even more clownish.

Tea parties are for little girls with imaginary friends.

[Left Seater]

Yes, Mikey, there is a difference between a smart meter and a smart thermostat. However, are you aware that many of the smart meters still breakdown you usage? It is often then used for targeted sales or upgrades. Also, these smart meters can be used to turn off services to your address completely. For example if someone doesn't pay their bill they can shut off service without an employee coming out. While that makes sense, it also allows them to shut off service in the event of high usage, instead of just shutting down parts of the grid. So if you are using more than your neighbor at a peak time they can shut your service off while your neighbor still has service.

As for the smart thermostats the issue was the utility wasn't clear that they could do this. They offered the free thermostats on their websites. They also offered the free installation. On their web site they sold people on the fact that the units were 7 day programmable and they would save people money since they could adjust based on when people were home, etc. What they didn't make readily available was the fact they could control them. You had to click on a word to go to an additional page to even see this info. Further even if you did go to this page, what they were going to do was not clear. They used an example thermostat setting of 78 degrees. Turns out very few of us set our thermostat at 78 when the outdoor temperature is over 100. The utility claimed that the temperature would only rise 2 degrees. For many of the customers the temperature rise was closer to 5 degrees.

As such the utility was forced to have everyone re up with wording that was crystal clear. Not surprisingly participation has fallen by close to half.

[Moving Sale]

Caveat Emptor Motherfucker.

[bradhusker]

BREAKING NEWS!! Andrew has the last word from the grave!! It seems that our President is FINALLY gonna get his vetting done, wether the mainstream media likes it or not. Professor Bell, the so-called distinguished professor from Harvard, was a sick fuckin racist fucker. His "critical race theory" is indeed a theory full of racist hate. In his years at Harvard, he trashed our constitution many times.

TODAY on msnbc, they trashed Sarah Palin for making Professor Bell look bad. WOW!! These sick fucks over at msnbc are dellusional to the core. Professor Bell was a radical hate-filled racist.

Its time we show the intolerance of Professor Bell, and how Obama embraced this racist.

Time to fully vet Obama this time, no hiding the truth, THIS TIME we vet him properly.

[bradhusker]

President Obama's Hiring of Eric Holder as his attorney general is another prime example of Obama's radical left wing thinking. Eric Holder is a racist himself, and his record clearly speaks for itself.
Derrick Bell was a radical racist, and now it will finally come to the forefront. Vetting president Obama properly, will ensure that he is exposed for his left wing radical thoughts and ideas. Finally, the american people will get to know who they mistakenly put into office. I think that Obama will lose the independants over this, and they in turn will vote for Romney,

Quote from Professor Bell. "Slavery is an example of what white america has done, and a constant example of what white america will do".

This is a prime example of racism. Because it is a FACT that black people also owned slaves. TODAY, muslim blacks are killing white christians, women and children included!!!

So, for a professor to ONLY talk about whites being slave owners, is RACIST. Professor Bell embraced Louis Farrakkhan, a racist PIG and known anti-semite.

TIME TO TAKE YOUR VETTING Mr Obama. Mitt Romney is coming for your job sir. He's coming.

[SG's Son]

[bradhusker]

Whats really telling is this, The liberals over at msnbc are mad as hell that conservatives are exposing Professor Bell. This is what they're saying, "How dare they go after a distinguished professor" "How could a dummy like Sarah Palin make fun of such a brilliant man like Professor Bell?"

HOW??? Because its important to EXPOSE sick racists such as BELL. No more hiding and lying about people who HATE. Just because the man was a professor at Harvard, thats supposed to mean he is untouchable?? I DONT THINK SO.

WHY is it that the people that President Obama embraces and holds in such high esteem, are racist thinkers??

I have a list of racism and hate that is longer than arrest records for most rappers. A listing of Barack Obama's heros growing up. His mentors, the people he looked up to. People like Saul Alinsky, Rev, Jerehmiah Wright, Professor Bell, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Some sick crazy racist Catholic Bishop whose name escapes me at the moment, HERES THE PROBLEM. You are a product of who you admire. SO, it shouldnt come as any suprise how Obama governs.

The man likes weird leftist sickos. He embraces their ideals. SO dont look suprised at how he governs the country, and what his vision is for our once great country.

What is so difficult for you to understand here? Obama has used words like "transform" and the "transformation" of the United States of America. Of course he wants to completely transform this country, no shit sherlock.

I dare ANY member of this forum to look closely at Obama's mentors, and come away with a sense of normalcy. After looking at these left wing nutcases, I came away completely disturbed to my very core.
How can any sane rational person NOT be disturbed after reading the works of some of these mentors of the President?

[Van]

Ummm, tinkerbell, you might come off as just a wee bit more credible in all your "He's a sick, filthy RACIST!!!" rants if you weren't constantly spewing "HOOK-NOSED JEWS!!" and other similarly charming sobriquets.

You fucking dunce.

[Felix]

While it does have some very ominous Big Brother implications I find it to be very useful.

yeah, you never know how your electrical power consumption might be used against you.....



1:02
"whether or not you were home the night of the murder"????

uh, if your a murderer, the least of your problems will be your smart meter....

tinfoil ted needs to dial the "big brother is watching you and me" conspiracy/they're out to get me rant down a few notches....

[Mikey]

In a previous job I had contact with load researchers for a lot of public utility companies. Load researchers are the people who forecast the electric loads on the utilties' grids from the street level all the way back to the generators. One of them, who was working for an electric utility at a major Canadian city near Seattle, told me they knew where all the "grow" houses were just from the neighborhood load profiles. They also knew that it wasn't any of their business to rat out their customers to any authorities.

[ChargerMike]

"denounce bike lanes on public streets and smart meters on home appliances"

...just another example of how those tea party whacks are trying to control the country..

sin. Green Fleece , UACLU

[Derron]

They also knew that it wasn't any of their business to rat out their customers to any authorities.

Since the grow houses use about a bazillon times more juice than a normal house, they would probably like to see more of them in the hoods.

[Diego in Seattle]

They don't need to pro-actively rat out their customers. Most of the time the police have developed enough other evidence to secure a warrant by the time it comes to acquire power company info.