Brother can you spare a dime?

[Derron]

Maybe in years past, but not so much any more. A trade is good, but there is no way our high schools are turning out kids ready to work at a trade and expect to make a decent living, unless they hit some kid of apprentice program. The trades in our area have been hit so hard with illegal Messicans and the fuckin Russians that work for nothing, going to work for yourself or starting a business simply does not pencil out.

Have a friend that's a painting contractor, hired several Mexi and he's doing well with it. He's able to win a lot of jobs beacuse he's bidding the labor at $8-9 an hour vs. $15+

Check back with him in a year or 2. May have very little burden and overhead cost, but bidding your work at your straight labor rate is a real good way to lose your ass real fast. Even at $ 15 per hour, he probably is making very little. Of course, he probably is paying the wetback fucks under the table and working for cash, but he is doing well. Great business model.

[Mikey]

Congratulations to those on here who have kids that have had success in college, especially Mikee and Wolfman.

No debt for me, my step-son is going in the Marines in 2 weeks. His idea, not mine. If it was up to me he would some how find his way into sales, as he is a hell of a talker and wheeler-dealer.

God i hope he doesnt die in that shithole Afghanistan. :(

Rack your stepson. Anybody who makes that choice has my utmost respect. If he doesn't stay for the long term it's a great education and he could still go into sales. Being an ex-Marine is a door opener in a lot of places.

[Mikey]

So, how did the college board screw your son? Sounds like it doesn't matter in the long run and you'll get it back with interest.

He took two rounds of AP tests about a year apart and passed seven, maybe eight of them. They misspelled his name when recording the second day and he only got credit for four. We didn't catch the mistake until all of the applications were in and decisions made. It probably made a big difference in several scholarship opportunities we were trying for, including a potential full ride at Long Beach State.

[Mikey]

It may come as a surprise but I don't buy into the "everybody should go to college" line. It would be nice if everybody who wants to, and is qualified, could have the chance but it's not necessarily the best thing for everybody. One of the worst thing that's happened in our education system is the decline and elimination of a lot of vocational courses in high schools and junior colleges as the result of the attitude that everything should be in preparation for a four year college degree. Even in this economy there are lots of jobs, that don't require a college degreee, going begging for lack of qualified applicants.

I've actually been to this steel plant. It's hot an noicy as hell, but they're doing a good business

Jobs for skilled workers are going unfilled




Electrician Chris Marcil prepares to troubleshoot a motor at California Steel in Fontana. The manufacturing company is struggling to fill positions requiring specialized training.



Filling jobs has been difficult for firms in some industries or certain parts of the country — particularly for companies seeking skilled workers — despite high unemployment.
By Ricardo Lopez, Los Angeles Times
5:00 AM PDT, June 8, 2012

With more than 12.7 million Americans unemployed, companies have no trouble attracting applicants. What's tougher for some firms is finding qualified workers. Just ask California Steel Industries.

The Fontana steel maker needs experienced electrical and mechanical technicians to help it make metal pipes and flat-roll sheets used in construction projects. The pay is good. An industrial maintenance mechanic can make $64,000 a year plus health benefits. In good years, company profit-sharing can boost pay by $5,000.

Still, California Steel is struggling to fill 18 openings.

While these workers don't need college degrees, they need at least two years of specialized training plus strong math, reading and writing skills. The plant is loud and filled with heavy machinery. And because the facility operates 24 hours a day, workers must rotate shifts, making it even harder to recruit, said Brett Guge, executive vice president of finance and administration.

"It's been a chronic problem for many years," Guge said. "You would think it'd be somewhat easier in this economy."

There's no doubt that the nation's sluggish labor market continues to favor employers, many of whom are holding back on hiring amid global uncertainty. In May, the national unemployment rate increased to 8.2% from 8.1% the previous month. Millions of U.S. workers have been jobless for so long that they've exhausted their unemployment benefits.

Still, companies in some industries or certain parts of the country are having difficulty finding workers. Tighter immigration enforcement has squeezed the nation's agricultural sector as farmers from Washington state to Georgia scramble to find enough field hands. Thinly populated North Dakota is so desperate for bodies to keep its oil boom going that the state's governor has pleaded publicly for out-of-state workers to relocate there.

In California, where the April unemployment rate was 10.9%, some renewable energy firms are searching hard for qualified engineers. So are technology companies in Silicon Valley, where the rush to produce next-generation mobile and tablet technologies has sparked bidding wars for top candidates, who can fetch starting salaries from $85,000 to $100,000.

"Everyone's vying for the same talent," said Shannon Callahan, a technical talent partner at Andreessen Horowitz, a Menlo Park venture capital firm. "They're all trying to build … the next great product."

Even firms that aren't designing the next iPhone are struggling. In a recently released study by recruiting firm ManpowerGroup, nearly half of U.S. employers surveyed said they're having trouble filling key jobs despite continued high unemployment.

Some economists are skeptical about all that griping. Adjusted for inflation, incomes for most Americans have been stagnant for years. The recent downturn has given workers even less leverage to demand better pay. Many companies complaining of a "shortage" of talent simply don't want to pay more to get it, said Andy Sum, director of the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University.

"There are some spot shortages," he said. "But the norm for the country, though, is a massive [labor] surplus. I've never seen a surplus this large."

Still, Sum agreed with Manpower's findings that some high-skill positions in information technology and engineering are hard to fill. Ditto for skilled trades, which include jobs such as heavy-equipment operators, electricians, welders and sheet-metal workers.

Many of those blue-collar workers are starting to retire and won't be easily replaced, said Stanley Stossel, senior assistant business manager for the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, Local 47, in Diamond Bar.

"In some ways, the economic downturn staved off the tsunami," Stossel said. "A lot of people were working a few years longer than they had planned on."

Machinists and machine operators are also hard to find. Manufacturing has been a bright spot in a slow recovery, adding almost half a million jobs nationwide since January 2010.

The average hourly wage for a manufacturing job is $23.96, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. And some positions pay upward of $31 an hour. Still, experts said a manufacturing career isn't even on the radar of many U.S. workers. Years of layoffs and outsourcing of factory jobs to foreign countries have convinced some that there's no future in it. Others are attracted to white-collar work and sexier industries such as technology.

To cope, some firms are beefing up the skills of current employees or partnering with nonprofits and community colleges to train students for blue-collar jobs.

California Steel Industries, for example, launched a paid internship program this summer with Chaffey College in nearby Rancho Cucamonga. Nine electrical technician interns have been hired so far, Guge said.

Oil refineries in the South Bay have taken similar steps. Exxon Mobil Corp. and ConocoPhillips are among the companies working with the nonprofit South Bay Center for Counseling to train process operators and instrument technicians to monitor refinery operations.

Graduate Joseph Morales, 24, recently started a job with Marchem Technologies, a Long Beach chemical plant. He's making $17 and hour to start, with the prospect of more raises ahead. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, chemical plant operators earn an average of $27.23 an hour.

"I wanted something more stable," said Morales, whose last job was selling sporting goods on commission.

In Silicon Valley, the hunt for workers with skills in mobile software and user-focused applications has gotten so competitive that some companies have resorted to offbeat recruiting strategies.

Quixey, a Palo Alto company that has built a search engine for mobile apps, created a monthly contest to appeal to game-loving techies. Programmers are invited to solve a bug in a 10-line piece of computer code in 60 seconds. Winners get $100, a sweat shirt — and a follow-up recruitment email.

"We search the entire nation," said Liron Shapira, Quixey's chief technology officer. "We're able to find candidates who don't browse job forums but would be considering opportunities."

The 25-person firm has hired four full-time engineers and three interns through the challenge.

"Quixey Challenge is more effective than anything else in beginning the pipeline of engineers," Shapira said."It appeals to what engineers like to do."

Some short sighted employers make a college degree a requirement for jobs that shouldn't require it...just because it's expected, I guess.

We could learn a lot from the Germans and their apprenticeship system.

[bradhusker]

It may come as a surprise but I don't buy into the "everybody should go to college" line. It would be nice if everybody who wants to, and is qualified, could have the chance but it's not necessarily the best thing for everybody.

Seems now it's a "right" to go to college...whether qualified or not. Ridiculous. You earn (or should earn) your shot at college. It shouldn't be automatic. We've got kids who read at a 6th grade level in colleges. There are things those kids could do that don't require college.

Seen some of the blacks that go to college nowadays? Just watch the news report of the shooting at Auburn last night!! At off-campus apartments last night, a couple of auburn football players were shot over a "girlfriend", the dude being interviewed by the local news? Listen to him speak!!!

This is the state of our education system? This kid cant even speak like a human being, he sounds like a fuckin monkey!!!! I am willing to wager my last dollar that this kid couldnt tell you the three branches of our government, OR, who are first president was.

[smackaholic]

It may come as a surprise but I don't buy into the "everybody should go to college" line. It would be nice if everybody who wants to, and is qualified, could have the chance but it's not necessarily the best thing for everybody. One of the worst thing that's happened in our education system is the decline and elimination of a lot of vocational courses in high schools and junior colleges as the result of the attitude that everything should be in preparation for a four year college degree. Even in this economy there are lots of jobs, that don't require a college degreee, going begging for lack of qualified applicants.

I've actually been to this steel plant. It's hot an noicy as hell, but they're doing a good business

Jobs for skilled workers are going unfilled




Electrician Chris Marcil prepares to troubleshoot a motor at California Steel in Fontana. The manufacturing company is struggling to fill positions requiring specialized training.



Filling jobs has been difficult for firms in some industries or certain parts of the country — particularly for companies seeking skilled workers — despite high unemployment.
By Ricardo Lopez, Los Angeles Times
5:00 AM PDT, June 8, 2012

With more than 12.7 million Americans unemployed, companies have no trouble attracting applicants. What's tougher for some firms is finding qualified workers. Just ask California Steel Industries.

The Fontana steel maker needs experienced electrical and mechanical technicians to help it make metal pipes and flat-roll sheets used in construction projects. The pay is good. An industrial maintenance mechanic can make $64,000 a year plus health benefits. In good years, company profit-sharing can boost pay by $5,000.

Still, California Steel is struggling to fill 18 openings.

While these workers don't need college degrees, they need at least two years of specialized training plus strong math, reading and writing skills. The plant is loud and filled with heavy machinery. And because the facility operates 24 hours a day, workers must rotate shifts, making it even harder to recruit, said Brett Guge, executive vice president of finance and administration.

"It's been a chronic problem for many years," Guge said. "You would think it'd be somewhat easier in this economy."

There's no doubt that the nation's sluggish labor market continues to favor employers, many of whom are holding back on hiring amid global uncertainty. In May, the national unemployment rate increased to 8.2% from 8.1% the previous month. Millions of U.S. workers have been jobless for so long that they've exhausted their unemployment benefits.

Still, companies in some industries or certain parts of the country are having difficulty finding workers. Tighter immigration enforcement has squeezed the nation's agricultural sector as farmers from Washington state to Georgia scramble to find enough field hands. Thinly populated North Dakota is so desperate for bodies to keep its oil boom going that the state's governor has pleaded publicly for out-of-state workers to relocate there.

In California, where the April unemployment rate was 10.9%, some renewable energy firms are searching hard for qualified engineers. So are technology companies in Silicon Valley, where the rush to produce next-generation mobile and tablet technologies has sparked bidding wars for top candidates, who can fetch starting salaries from $85,000 to $100,000.

"Everyone's vying for the same talent," said Shannon Callahan, a technical talent partner at Andreessen Horowitz, a Menlo Park venture capital firm. "They're all trying to build … the next great product."

Even firms that aren't designing the next iPhone are struggling. In a recently released study by recruiting firm ManpowerGroup, nearly half of U.S. employers surveyed said they're having trouble filling key jobs despite continued high unemployment.

Some economists are skeptical about all that griping. Adjusted for inflation, incomes for most Americans have been stagnant for years. The recent downturn has given workers even less leverage to demand better pay. Many companies complaining of a "shortage" of talent simply don't want to pay more to get it, said Andy Sum, director of the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University.

"There are some spot shortages," he said. "But the norm for the country, though, is a massive [labor] surplus. I've never seen a surplus this large."

Still, Sum agreed with Manpower's findings that some high-skill positions in information technology and engineering are hard to fill. Ditto for skilled trades, which include jobs such as heavy-equipment operators, electricians, welders and sheet-metal workers.

Many of those blue-collar workers are starting to retire and won't be easily replaced, said Stanley Stossel, senior assistant business manager for the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, Local 47, in Diamond Bar.

"In some ways, the economic downturn staved off the tsunami," Stossel said. "A lot of people were working a few years longer than they had planned on."

Machinists and machine operators are also hard to find. Manufacturing has been a bright spot in a slow recovery, adding almost half a million jobs nationwide since January 2010.

The average hourly wage for a manufacturing job is $23.96, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. And some positions pay upward of $31 an hour. Still, experts said a manufacturing career isn't even on the radar of many U.S. workers. Years of layoffs and outsourcing of factory jobs to foreign countries have convinced some that there's no future in it. Others are attracted to white-collar work and sexier industries such as technology.

To cope, some firms are beefing up the skills of current employees or partnering with nonprofits and community colleges to train students for blue-collar jobs.

California Steel Industries, for example, launched a paid internship program this summer with Chaffey College in nearby Rancho Cucamonga. Nine electrical technician interns have been hired so far, Guge said.

Oil refineries in the South Bay have taken similar steps. Exxon Mobil Corp. and ConocoPhillips are among the companies working with the nonprofit South Bay Center for Counseling to train process operators and instrument technicians to monitor refinery operations.

Graduate Joseph Morales, 24, recently started a job with Marchem Technologies, a Long Beach chemical plant. He's making $17 and hour to start, with the prospect of more raises ahead. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, chemical plant operators earn an average of $27.23 an hour.

"I wanted something more stable," said Morales, whose last job was selling sporting goods on commission.

In Silicon Valley, the hunt for workers with skills in mobile software and user-focused applications has gotten so competitive that some companies have resorted to offbeat recruiting strategies.

Quixey, a Palo Alto company that has built a search engine for mobile apps, created a monthly contest to appeal to game-loving techies. Programmers are invited to solve a bug in a 10-line piece of computer code in 60 seconds. Winners get $100, a sweat shirt — and a follow-up recruitment email.

"We search the entire nation," said Liron Shapira, Quixey's chief technology officer. "We're able to find candidates who don't browse job forums but would be considering opportunities."

The 25-person firm has hired four full-time engineers and three interns through the challenge.

"Quixey Challenge is more effective than anything else in beginning the pipeline of engineers," Shapira said."It appeals to what engineers like to do."

Some short sighted employers make a college degree a requirement for jobs that shouldn't require it...just because it's expected, I guess.

We could learn a lot from the Germans and their apprenticeship system.

Yes we could. There are lots of technical jobs out there where companies won't give you the time of day if you don't have a BSME/EE. I see it at work first hand.

We have 2 MEs and an EE. who handles the software stuff. There is very little they do that couldn't be done as well or better by any experienced mechanic that has worked in the field for a short while. But, they insist on filling these positions with degreed engineers. And it often shows in that engineers have a habit of rube goldberging the fukk out of their designs. An old engineer I used to work with said a chimp could design shit, but a good engineer is the one who makes the design as simple as possible.

I believe that this insistence on using degreed engineers is a result of the culture that has been shaped by managers, who themselves have lots of letters after their names. It is in their interest to see that their degrees maintain a certain value, which would be diminished if everyone realized that their jobs required nothing more than a little mechanical aptitude and OJT.

There is definitely a place for formally trained engineers in fields like rocket surgery or even simpler stuff where calculating minutia means saving $$$$$$ because you are gonna make 50,000 units. But, in lots of other fields where you just need to tweak something or build a handful of this or that, just having a slightly higher than bradhusker level of brain function and a little experience will get you by.

i see it at work in my department as well. Our maintenance director is a former tech who got his BSME and is always pushing everyone to get this or that certification. We have a few really sharp guys with little formal edumacashun who he will not promote because they don't have the "background" (electronic theory certification). Doesn't matter that these guys run circles around others who have the "background", but are dumbfukks. If it were my company, I would rate and promote people solely on how well they did their job. The last thing I would want is for them to go get a bunch of certifications that would raise their value to others. And to anyone else out there in the electromechanical world, when was the last time you troubleshot a board to component level? It happens next to never. I wish this wasn't the case. I wish knowing how to calculate inductive reactance was of value to techs in the real world, cause I are one of them. I used to know that shit forward and backwards when I was in the Navy working on radar systems.

[Screw_Michigan]

We've got kids who read at a 6th grade level in colleges.

Says who? You? Holy Christ on a stick, you're stupid.

I know you live in Dixieville where the premium placed on education is slim to fucking none, but Jesus, that was fucking stupid.

[Derron]

Being an ex-Marine is a door opener in a lot of places.

No such thing as an ex Marine. They say once a Marine, always a Marine. Two of my boys got hired into good paying maintenance jobs with Intels maintenance contractor. $ 23 per hour to start. Their immediate supervisor and direct upline are Marines. They got hired on the basis of good training and some previous background in trades, plus the Marine Corps connection was huge.

Neighbor is a training officer for the sheriffs department. He arranges his pile of applications Marines, other military, and everyone else. He starts with the Marines and goes from there. He does not have to train them to shoot, or other basic military / police functions. Send them to the academy, then their field training program, and on the road. Virtually everyone he has hired in the last 3 years is a military veteran, most with tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Full ride GI bill college payments. $ 1,400 a month to live on when attending college full time. Full VA medical benefits, and for those in Iraq or Afghanistan, almost all can claim on get some level of disability, which gives you additional preference points in public hiring, and additional tax free income each month. Most have PTSD and the VA recognizes it much more now than in the past.

I got out of high school in 75 at the very end of Vietnam. I was in training to become a commercial pilot, but all these Marine and Army guys were coming back with 1500 turbine hours and getting all the jobs. And they were a lot of them. Most of them are retired now, so those opportunities are better now.

[mvscal]

America has left a tab to its youngsters since FDR. Why did you suddenly start giving a shit in 2012?

A. You're wrong...as usual.

B. People didn't just start giving a shit about debt in 2012 but they are exceptionally concerned now because the stupid niggger in the White House is spending money we don't have at a rate that has never before been seen not even at the height of WW2.

I always wonder happened to all those liberal deficit hawks who were squawking over Chimpy's reckless spending? I haven't heard nary a peep in the last three years. I know Feelsdix was one of them.

Maybe we ought to start with Congress passing a budget. That would be helpful. We haven't had one in over three years and it's no coincidence that spending has gotten completely out of control in the absence of the budget.

I guess that must be Bush's fault, too, right? Idiot.

[DC Smackmaster]

He took two rounds of AP tests

1. After thrusting your semi-erect Vienna sausage into a hooker for two minutes, you manage to jam her raggedy panties into the back pocket of your jorts without her noticing. You should do the following, quick-like:

A. Get your ass to Sonic stat! You've worked up an appetite that only some burgers and tots can quell.
B. Stay in the shadows and lay low. Someone's gonna find that dead hooker soon enough.
C. Hightail it back to Ma's basement and throw those panties on! You're a pretty girl, that's right! Downright sassy! Put on those panties and prance like you're the belle of the ball. Find a mirror and pretend you finally got that audition for Mantail Magazine and pose for the camera, stick out that moneymaker you dirty little whore. Make love to the camera you sexy beast! Put on some lipstick and email the pictures to some stranger on the net trolling you. YOU ARE AWESOME!
D. Jump into traffic and end this wretched existence.


Good luck to your boy Mikey, that test has proven a bitch for some guys!

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

We haven't had one in over three years and it's no coincidence that spending has gotten completely out of control in the absence of the budget.

I guess that must be Bush's fault, too, right? Idiot.

Anyone have a link to one of those federal spending pie chart thingies?

I'd like to see a breakdown.

[poptart]

pie

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

[Arch Angel]

Brad, seriously I have no problem with you personally, but............


I am black and a Conservative, pro Walker, pro Anti-Bama. You seem to have a problem with my race and that is okay, some of us are stupid and are lemmings and only think that Dummicrats will give them FREE stuff if they vote for them. The problem I have with you is that you think ALL of us think that way. No, all of us don't. I am computer programmer, graduate at UW and my brother a graduate at UI (Illinois) are not Dummicrats. We do not believe in freebees but working your way through school to do things you want to do.

Not a slam at you, but please do not think all black are like that.

Thanks.

[War Wagon]

pro Anti-Bama.

umm, yeah...

hey, I have this problem with groupwise saving my recent contacts. Help a brother out?

[Mikey]

He took two rounds of AP tests

1. After thrusting your semi-erect Vienna sausage into a hooker for two minutes, you manage to jam her raggedy panties into the back pocket of your jorts without her noticing. You should do the following, quick-like:

A. Get your ass to Sonic stat! You've worked up an appetite that only some burgers and tots can quell.
B. Stay in the shadows and lay low. Someone's gonna find that dead hooker soon enough.
C. Hightail it back to Ma's basement and throw those panties on! You're a pretty girl, that's right! Downright sassy! Put on those panties and prance like you're the belle of the ball. Find a mirror and pretend you finally got that audition for Mantail Magazine and pose for the camera, stick out that moneymaker you dirty little whore. Make love to the camera you sexy beast! Put on some lipstick and email the pictures to some stranger on the net trolling you. YOU ARE AWESOME!
D. Jump into traffic and end this wretched existence.


Good luck to your boy Mikey, that test has proven a bitch for some guys!

RACK that. There's only one person in the world who could actually pass the AP test.

[R-Jack]

Brad, seriously I have no problem with you personally, but............


I am black and a Conservative, pro Walker, pro Anti-Bama. You seem to have a problem with my race and that is okay, some of us are stupid and are lemmings and only think that Dummicrats will give them FREE stuff if they vote for them. The problem I have with you is that you think ALL of us think that way. No, all of us don't. I am computer programmer, graduate at UW and my brother a graduate at UI (Illinois) are not Dummicrats. We do not believe in freebees but working your way through school to do things you want to do.

Not a slam at you, but please do not think all black are like that.

Thanks.

Are you talking to brad like he's a rational adult?

[DC Smackmaster]

Sorry gents, but I lobbed an epic Atomic Whipping-boy blast that I feel did not get proper recognition. Please revisit above and react to me accordingly. Thank you for your cooperation.

[Mikey]

Prolly too subtle for most here, so...

RACK squared (already RACKED once)

[DC Smackmaster]

Yes, thank you Mikey. Your Racks are very important to me, I want you to know this.

[Mikey]

Anything I can do to help your self of steam, just ask.

[mvscal]

No such thing as an ex Marine. They say once a Marine, always a Marine.

The Marines are a joke. I never seen so many, so frantic to puff themselves up over so little. They all seem to suffer from some form of institutional short man syndrome.

[mvscal]

Jobs for skilled workers are going unfilled




Electrician Chris Marcil prepares to troubleshoot a motor at California Steel in Fontana. The manufacturing company is struggling to fill positions requiring specialized training.



Filling jobs has been difficult for firms in some industries or certain parts of the country — particularly for companies seeking skilled workers — despite high unemployment.
By Ricardo Lopez, Los Angeles Times
5:00 AM PDT, June 8, 2012

With more than 12.7 million Americans unemployed, companies have no trouble attracting applicants. What's tougher for some firms is finding qualified workers. Just ask California Steel Industries.

The Fontana steel maker needs experienced electrical and mechanical technicians to help it make metal pipes and flat-roll sheets used in construction projects. The pay is good. An industrial maintenance mechanic can make $64,000 a year plus health benefits. In good years, company profit-sharing can boost pay by $5,000.

Still, California Steel is struggling to fill 18 openings.

Fuck them. Maybe they ought pay to train their own employees instead of expecting somebody else to do it for them.

[DC Smackmaster]

RACK THAT mvscal!

[Screw_Michigan]

Fuck them. Maybe they ought pay to train their own employees instead of expecting somebody else to do it for them.

I agree. Just another example of those who would rather spend someone else's money. How do you grow a company when you refuse to expand? I guess it's just easier to stomp your feet and whine and cry than invest in your own business.

[Goober McTuber]

Brad, seriously I have no problem with you personally, but............


I am black and a Conservative, pro Walker, pro Anti-Bama. You seem to have a problem with my race and that is okay, some of us are stupid and are lemmings and only think that Dummicrats will give them FREE stuff if they vote for them. The problem I have with you is that you think ALL of us think that way. No, all of us don't. I am computer programmer, graduate at UW and my brother a graduate at UI (Illinois) are not Dummicrats. We do not believe in freebees but working your way through school to do things you want to do.

Not a slam at you, but please do not think all black are like that.

Thanks.

Being able to put together grammatically correct sentences is not part of the computer programming degree at UW, apparently.

[Goober McTuber]

Brad, seriously I have no problem with you personally, but............


I am black and a Conservative, pro Walker, pro Anti-Bama. You seem to have a problem with my race and that is okay, some of us are stupid and are lemmings and only think that Dummicrats will give them FREE stuff if they vote for them. The problem I have with you is that you think ALL of us think that way. No, all of us don't. I am computer programmer, graduate at UW and my brother a graduate at UI (Illinois) are not Dummicrats. We do not believe in freebees but working your way through school to do things you want to do.

Not a slam at you, but please do not think all black are like that.

Thanks.

Being able to put together grammatically correct sentences is not part of the computer programming degree at UW, apparently.

Shut up and let Brad deal with the cunt-punch he just got. :grin:

Cunt-punch? I see you're just as delusional as ever.

[Arch Angel]

Arch, have you ever discussed with any of your kinfolk of how Zimmerman is being railroaded by the press?


If your answer is no, then let me reccomend a good comfortable setting for debate.

The nearest kinfolk is 250 miles away. I only have one acquaintance that is black here, but I will not discuss politics with a Dummicrat and a professor to boot.

As for this situation, I really don't care either way. Both were stupid and one got killed because of it.

What I do care about is getting that monkey out of the White House. He has been a total embarrassment to my race.