Open Inquiry to Morons

[mvscal]

this is complete horseshit...where have you been getting your numbers from?

I get mine from study of the law of supply and demand. What happens when you increase demand for a product without increasing the supply of that product?

Where do you get yours? Some government hack unzipping in your face and parting your hair with a firehose stream of piss?

right, we need a complete overhaul of our welfare system....lets start with the doctors that bilk the insurance companies out of billions of dollars every year and work backwards from there....

Good plan. Let's go after all those assholes who provide the actual healthcare in the healthcare industry. It shouldn't take but a few cracks of the whip to bring them all in line. What could possibly go wrong?

[LTS TRN 2]

So now you're shilling for the insurance industry? Well then you must love Barry's bend over to that wallowing corporate profit pit. Of course your analysis completely ignores the bald fact of the insurance industry enjoying tremendous advantages from BarryCare. What are you again?

[Felix]

Good plan. Let's go after all those assholes who provide the actual healthcare in the healthcare industry. It shouldn't take but a few cracks of the whip to bring them all in line. What could possibly go wrong?

from this response, it sounds like medicaid and medicare fraud are perfectly fine by you....

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... crackdown/

that 452 million is the tip of the iceberg....health care providers in this country bilk this country out of billions of dollars every month...start cracking down on those people, and we'd save significant amounts of money.....besides, do you really want to get your health care from a physician that would cheat the government out of money....if he's willing to take those kinds of short cuts, what kind of shortcuts is he willing to take when it comes to your health care?

[mvscal]

I hate to point out the obvious... but if you have identified a huge problem with government run healthcare programs (e.g., rampant fraud), why in Flying Spaghetti Monster's name would you be in favor of massively increasing the size of government run healthcare programs? Isn't that kind of insanely stupid to the nth degree?

I guessing the contradiction won't even faze him. Adapting to cognitive dissonance is a way of life for these cretinous morons.

The only thing dumber than believing that the solution to waste, fraud and abuse in a government run program is to drastically increase the size of the program is the notion that we will be able to pay for this expansion by eliminating waste, fraud and abuse.

It's like thinking you're going to make your mortgage payment by looking under your couch cushions for loose change.

[smackaholic]

It's an economy of scale kind of thing.

Right now we are half assing waste fraud and abuse. We need to put more into it and maybe apply a nice six sigma dealio to it.

[Felix]

Good plan. Let's go after all those assholes who provide the actual healthcare in the healthcare industry. It shouldn't take but a few cracks of the whip to bring them all in line. What could possibly go wrong?

from this response, it sounds like medicaid and medicare fraud are perfectly fine by you....

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... crackdown/

that 452 million is the tip of the iceberg....health care providers in this country bilk this country out of billions of dollars every month...start cracking down on those people, and we'd save significant amounts of money.....besides, do you really want to get your health care from a physician that would cheat the government out of money....if he's willing to take those kinds of short cuts, what kind of shortcuts is he willing to take when it comes to your health care?

I hate to point out the obvious... but if you have identified a huge problem with government run healthcare programs (e.g., rampant fraud), why in Flying Spaghetti Monster's name would you be in favor of massively increasing the size of government run healthcare programs? Isn't that kind of insanely stupid to the nth degree?

And before you answer that question, amigo, ponder this one. Couldn't Obama have gone after the waste/fraud/abuse in the current system first, accumulated all of those "savings", and then argued to Congress and the People that we now have sufficient means to expand those now fraud-free programs?

the welfare programs in this country are crushing our economy....unless some serious reforms are made, we're going to collapse under the weight of our own generosity.....welfare reform should start at the top and work downward....it's the only way the monstrosity we've created can be dealt with...we either reform welfare and social programs, or we're going to crash and burn....but none of the current politicians seem to want to address these issues in any reasonable manner...take for instance Paul Ryan's budget....he simply wants to stop funding certain welfare programs, but not once was there ever mention of the health care professionals that are literally robbing us blind...it's become so economically lucrative the Russian mobsters are now cashing in....is that the country you really want to live in?

[Felix]

I guessing the contradiction won't even faze him. Adapting to cognitive dissonance is a way of life for these cretinous morons.

you know dude, I tend to cut you some slack even though your a racist mother fucking douchebag that hides behind a computer and wouldn't have the intestinal fortitude to call a black dude a mvscal to his face, because he'd curb stomp you...but your sometimes funny....I make allowances for you patting yourself on the back for discovering some was to racially denigrate the President....but I've pretty much concluded that your nothing more than a fucking waste of space....

go ahead and tell me who the last great modern day president we had, and I'll tee him up and go yard on him....it's easy to do, but it's counterproductive .....

The only thing dumber than believing that the solution to waste, fraud and abuse in a government run program is to drastically increase the size of the program is the notion that we will be able to pay for this expansion by eliminating waste, fraud and abuse.

It's like thinking you're going to make your mortgage payment by looking under your couch cushions for loose change.

what's your answer dumbfuck, how do you stop health care companies and insurance companies from stealing us blind...how do you stop people we put our lives in the hands of from perpetuating fraud.....or, are you simply saying there's no solution...

well, here's my solution...do away with all form of government health care and put every individual in this country on an individual mandate....eliminate all employer provided insurance programs, and let every individual fend for themselves.....those not making much money could receive a government assist, but in no way would the government deal with insurance....everything would be purchased by private individuals....eliminate the laws governing interstate sale on insurance, and watch how fast your premiums would drop...it would then be a competitive market, and if the insurance companies want to survive, they'd better learn to adapt.....that's how you eliminate medicare and medicaid fraud....

[mvscal]

the welfare programs in this country are crushing our economy....unless some serious reforms are made, we're going to collapse under the weight of our own generosity

Ah yes, and what better way to relieve ourselves of this crushing burden of entitlement spending than by creating the largest expansion of entitlement spending since the New Deal?

Yes, you remain a pitiful (and now melting) moron.

[LTS TRN 2]

Sure, except that the New Deal was fucking great! A tremendous success, its opposition was--and continues to be--from plutocratic swine who feel some providential right to rapacious profiteering at the direct expense of the vast majority of Americans. As for your simplistic libertarian bukkake fest, until you start dealing with the real factor of our cratered economy--and that's the military industry run completely amok--you may as well just towel off for another Hannity show.

[Felix]

Ah yes, and what better way to relieve ourselves of this crushing burden of entitlement spending than by creating the largest expansion of entitlement spending since the New Deal?

Yes, you remain a pitiful (and now melting) moron.

I offered a solution...do away with every form of government and employer insurance programs and go with an individual mandate....do away with interstate restrictions and lets turn the insurance business into one that is competitive not controlled by the amount of money they donate to some fucking politicians reelection campaign....limit malpractice suits to a maximum of $500,000 and have them decided by an arbitration panel as opposed to tying up an already overworked court system....mandate that insurance premiums are capped, and that those with preexisting conditions cannot be turned down for insurance....supplement low income and elderly residents with vouchers, and there you go, insurance problems, and fraudulent bilking of the government is solved....

what's your solution?

[poptart]

Boat all the balcks back to Africa.

[mvscal]

you start dealing with the real factor of our cratered economy--and that's the military industry run completely amok--

Get a clue, you fucking idiot. Defense spending is barely 20% of Federal expenditures.

[mvscal]

I offered a solution...do away with every form of government and employer insurance programs and go with an individual mandate....

First of all, it's none of your fucking business whether or not an employer offers health insurance to its employees. Second of all, there is no constitutional authority to impose a mandate and, even if there was, your solution is totally pointless. Why have a mandate if there is no government insurance programs?

do away with interstate restrictions

OK.

mandate that insurance premiums are capped,

Fuck off and die.

supplement low income and elderly residents with vouchers,

Whoa time out here, Corky. I thought you said we were going to do away with every form of government program? Who is going to pay for all these vouchers?

what's your solution?

Get government completely out of the healthcare decisions of the American people. Costs didn't start skyrocketing till the Feds got involved. We're seeing the same thing in the student loan racket.

The less the government does, the better off we all are.

[Felix]

First of all, it's none of your fucking business whether or not an employer offers health insurance to its employees.

Second of all, there is no constitutional authority to impose a mandate and, even if there was, your solution is totally pointless. Why have a mandate if there is no government insurance programs?

everybody fends for themselves....it's a dog eat dog world out there bud, and if you have to rely on your employer or the government to supply you your insurance, then maybe you don't deserve to live

mandate that insurance premiums are capped

Fuck off and die.

you first asshole

supplement low income and elderly residents with vouchers,

I thought you said we were going to do away with every form of government program? Who is going to pay for all these vouchers?

I said get the government out of the health care business....are you suggesting we shouldn't supplement elderly citizens who can barely afford to eat, more less pay for health insurance...after all if we're going to get government out of the health care business, the first thing to go is Medicare....

Get government completely out of the healthcare decisions of the American people. Costs didn't start skyrocketing till the Feds got involved. We're seeing the same thing in the student loan racket.

your a tard of the highest caliber....insurance companies are freewheeling at their leisure...you don't like their premiums, go find yourself another insurance company....

Profits in millions for 2011
State Farm Insurance Cos. $1,762.8

Berkshire Hathaway $12,967.0

American International Group $7,786.0

Liberty Mutual Insurance Group $1,678.0

Allstate $928.0

Travelers Cos. $3,216.0

Hartford Financial Services $1,680.0

Nationwide $959.0

United Services Automobile Assn. $2,637.4

Progressive $1,068.3

Loews $1,288.0

Chubb $2,174.0

Assurant $279.2

American Family Insurance Group $487.1
yeah, no doubt the big losers here are Assurant (profits of 279 million and Nationwide at 959 million....

fuck, we should be subsidizing these impoverished companies...

Travelers only made a measly profit of 3 billion....now, tell me again how the poor insurance companies are being raked over the coals and how the costs have soared as a result of government interference....all this government meddling hasn't seemed to have had much of an affect on the profitability of the insurance companies.....

"gosh mr. johnson, that procedure isn't covered under your health care plan....I guess you'll just have to sell everything you own and declare medical bankruptcy if you want to live....when can we expect your next premium check?"

go fuck yourself

[mvscal]

Great melt, pussy. Too bad you just pissed down your leg again. I understand. You've been exposed as complete imbecile and now you're angry. Don't blame me, though. I'm just the messenger.

[Dinsdale]

your a tard of the highest caliber....

Never gets old.

[LTS TRN 2]

I'm just the messenger.

Sure, Mall Cop, you're just a messenger--for Hannity and the Limpdick line. It's exactly what you parrot daily. And like those shameless hacks, you're completely full of shit. The insurance industry has the entire healthcare issue by the balls, just as the pentagon has our foreign policy in a death spiral. As for Wall St, we're all just waiting for the doomsday scenario which unfortunately seems not only likely but guaranteed. And what's at the root of each of these horrific meltdowns? "Free Market" capitalism as loosed by criminals like the Reagan gang, etc. Your idiotic claim as to the modest cost of our military is typical of Sarah Palin or similar morons. No surprise that you're right on board.

[Van]

your a tard of the highest caliber....

Never gets old.

[Felix]

Great melt, pussy. Too bad you just pissed down your leg again. I understand. You've been exposed as complete imbecile and now you're angry. Don't blame me, though. I'm just the messenger.

your a carping whiner whose sum and total contribution is to devise new and (not) clever ways to denigrate obama....

oplatelips....seriously, do think that's clever....

it's ignorant racism personified....but if being an asshole is your thing, knock yourself out....

[mvscal]

whose sum and total contribution is to devise new and (not) clever ways to denigrate obama....

Oh, dear. Would you like a tissue, nancy?

[LTS TRN 2]

Well let's do a little test on you, like the lab rat you are. If you are so willing to attack Barry on his skin tone, and so proudly enfold your bloated bodkin in the robes of a racist, are you willing to similarly extend your dripping bile to Clarence Thomas, an actual black man (who is boning a white wife )? Because if you're not willing to spit bigoted smears at him, then you're really not a racist at all, just a toxic puppet. Okay, and...go.

[mvscal]

Because if you're not willing to spit bigoted smears at him, then you're really not a racist at all,...

As I have said many times before, I am not a racist. I'm a cultural bigot. I've got no problem with Clarence. He seems to say and do as little as possible which probably makes him the most intelligent member of the court by a long shot. That is also my ideal of a government functionary.

[Felix]

Oh, dear. Would you like a tissue, nancy?

I'd prefer you'd act like an adult, but there's not much chance of that happening....I'm sure there's a myriad of racist combinations you can come up with though....
dude, you've got a branch of the national socialist movement right in your back yard....maybe you should become an online member....I don't think they'd consider your candidacy if you showed up in person......

in all honestly, oplatelips is just become tiresome.....Ofailure was fresh, but you seem to have gotten away from it....

just trying to help you out buddy....

As I have said many times before, I am not a racist.

of course you are...you just can't accept it.....

[LTS TRN 2]

you start dealing with the real factor of our cratered economy--and that's the military industry run completely amok--

Get a clue, you fucking idiot. Defense spending is barely 20% of Federal expenditures.

America spends a TRILLION dollars a year on the military. That's more than all of the other nations of the world combined. And this does not include all of the (quickly growing) private contractors, their obscenely overpriced fuel and supplies, as well as the myriad costs of rehabing the hundreds of thousands of damged vets, plus all the constantly spreading costs of--you know, clean ups when they freak out and start shooting people.

If we were to put, oh, two thirds of this gigantic waste back in to the economy--public schools, healthcare, research, etc.--our nation would reap great benefits. Of course the fake apartheid state in the Middle East doesn't want this at all. Oh no, they really like the idea of the U.S. acting as policeman for their interests, invading here--and there--and there. So...why are you such an avowed supporter of the vile fake state over the obvious interests of your own nation?


As for your silly parsing of not being a racist, I would point out that you regularly refer black people as "nigggers" and all manner of other slurs. Okay? As to what a "cultural bigot" is, I guess this in line with Chris Rock's distinction between "blacks and mvscals"? Except that your bigotry is really political, period. Okay, so why resort to cheap childish slurs when actual criticism would prove much more effective? Because you've the wit of a an old pair of sneakers? The creativity of a bar of soap? The political vision of a scared Tea Bagger? The lockstep loyalty to some disgusting race-state experiment? The character and bearing of a snotty little punk on the playground? All of the above!! Well, crawl on, just keep crawling.

[mvscal]

America spends a TRILLION dollars a year on the military.

Assuming arguendo that your number is correct (and it isn't even close), Federal expenditures tip the scale at about 3.6 TRILLION a year. Even by your own wildly exaggerated figures, defense spending is only 28% of the budget and that you could eliminate every single penny of defense spending without coming within 600 billion dollars of balancing the budget.

That's more than all of the other nations of the world combined.

And the rest of our government spending? The US spends 6 TRILLION dollars on government every year. That is more than the entire GDP of every nation on earth except China which grosses about 7.2 trillion in GDP.

Anyone who believes that our defense spending is the reason our government is bloated, is a clueless, delusional fuckwit.

[LTS TRN 2]

"Balancing the budget" isn't a mere act of accounting--of stripping spending as in the rash and simplistic jargon of Paul Ryan et al. It's a much bigger proposition based on actually repairing and enhancing the nation, its infrastructure and citizenry. This includes basic modern achievements as universal health care, just as every other modern nation. The fact of a mere 28% of our massive budget being allocated for the horrific clusterfucks which constitute the Permanent War (the delivered New Pearl Harbor) should cause outrage to any citizen. Slither on, just slither...

[Screw_Michigan]

Anyone who believes that our defense spending is the reason our government is bloated, is a clueless, delusional fuckwit.

You don't have to like it. You just have to suck on it.

[mvscal]

"Balancing the budget" isn't a mere act of accounting--

It certainly is. Every budget is about balancing priorities and making difficult choices. I suppose it's understandable that you have forgotten that since the Federal government has not passed a budget in well over three years now.

Is that your idea of responsible, accountable government?

[LTS TRN 2]

As I suggest, simplistic and childish analyses of Tea Baggers like Paul Ryan are just that. We're not talking about a simple business at all--otherwise the extensions of credit would not have occurred for so long. Of course you're weaselling desperately away from the clear fact of the military industry completely fucking the economy on eight different levels. And too you're in lock-step acceptance of the military catastrophes of the past ten years. You're pathetic.

[Derron]

He asked you if that was responsible and accountable government. Just answer the question you stupid babbling tard...

[LTS TRN 2]

Besides the mentioned John Travolta audition going on between the venerable Olympic Games and the NBC network, I see a bunch of buildings falling apart. I see monsoon-like conditions (Global Warming) subsuming the bleak Sceptered Isle, putting a real damp on such popular events as women's archery (H-games) while the Libor scandal effectively ends the entire Capitalist era--right where it all began.

How long did you think this Ponzi scam could go on?

[mvscal]

And even further kicking your balls up to your stomach is the fact that the democrats haven't (despite being required by law to do so) produced a budget for over 3 years.

they can't get a budget through because the reps are obstructionists bent on not helping this country....they'll never pass a budget and blame it on obama.....don't you know the way politics works....

Who told you that? Or did you just make it up? Needless to say, you remain a tragically deluded simpleton.

Meanwhile back in reality:

2013

Senate Democratic leaders do not plan to propose a budget this year, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told reporters Friday, saying that they had already done so with the debt-ceiling agreement.

“We do not need to bring a budget to the floor this year — it’s done, we don’t need to do it,” Reid said, according to The Hill.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/03/reid- ... z210VMPA2Z

2012

Harry Reid: 'Foolish' for Democrats to offer budget plan

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said it would be "foolish" for Democrats to propose their own federal budget for 2012, despite continued attacks from Republicans that the party is ducking its responsibility to put forward a solution to the nation's deficit problems.

"There's no need to have a Democratic budget in my opinion," Reid said in an interview Thursday. "It would be foolish for us to do a budget at this stage."

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/20 ... t-20110520

2011

Appropriations for fiscal year (FY) 2011 are now six months late. The fiscal year began on Oct. 1, 2010, but the nation is not much closer to having a budget than it was back then. As Congress comes face-to-face with the expiration of the current stop-gap spending bill, the budget's downward march may have stopped, but the possibility of a government shutdown still lingers.

The FY 2011 budget season began all the way back in February 2010 when President Obama released his yearly budget proposal. The big news then was that his budget included a three-year freeze, and although his proposal represented a $39 billion budget increase relative to FY 2010, some argued that increase was too small. The president's budget had a more lasting effect as a high-water mark. Since then, no politically feasible proposal has gone above the president's budget, and all have proposed at least some amount of cuts.

After the release of the president's budget proposal, all eyes turned to Congress, which, according to the law that sets the budget process, is supposed to pass a budget resolution in short order. This document establishes the upper boundaries of the year's budget and allocates funding levels to the appropriations subcommittees, which then create the yearly appropriations bills. A budget resolution is an integral part of the budget process and is supposed to be passed by both houses by April 15.

However, by March 2010, it was becoming clear that Congress would have a tough time passing a budget resolution. The main culprit was the House. The then-Democratic House had just finished the health care reform bill, and its more moderate members, particularly the Blue Dog faction, were watching their support wane back home. The last thing they wanted to do, according to press reports at the time, was vote through a "record breaking" budget with large deficits (thanks to inflation, every year usually sees a "record breaking" budget). Since Congress can vote through appropriations bills without a budget resolution, the House appeared inclined to not pass one.

The House's ambivalence echoed loudly in the Senate. That chamber reportedly refused to consider a budget resolution unless the House moved first. If the House would not pass a budget resolution, the thinking went, moderate Democratic senators would have no incentive to take a politically tough vote on a budget resolution containing a large deficit. Instead, holding individual votes on each of the twelve appropriations bills that make up the yearly budget seemed like a better alternative, since twelve votes on smaller bills would be easier than one big vote.

http://www.ombwatch.org/node/11580

Think all that will fit in your ass, squealix?

[LTS TRN 2]

The obvious reason Reid was reluctant to offer a budget is because the GOP has clearly stated its dedication to total and unequivocal obstruction. Everyone knows it, McConnell and the other GOP gargoyles are right out front with this. And...why are you in some closeted denial? Oh, that's right, you're a right-wing radio parrot. Silly me.

[mvscal]

Actually it was and is pure political cowardice on the part of the Democratic party. Are they somehow relieved of their responsibility to produce a budget simply because it might encounter opposition?

[Sirfindafold]

Think all that will fit in your ass, squealix?

Does McGoober speak with a lisp?

[LTS TRN 2]

Ooooh, scary! Would you really want a GOP senate, house and POTUS? C'mon, you can't be that cowed and cowering.

[Truman]

Would you really want a GOP senate, house and POTUS?

Yes. But only for as long as it takes to re-write the tax code, repeal Obamacare, and shrink the size of the federal government permanently. Then we can return to gridlock.

[LTS TRN 2]

So..you want the 19th century plutocrat model of the Koch brothers wet dream? As delivered to the likes of you in some "libertarian" simplistic gibberish?

[Truman]

No. I want a return to the 18th century constitutional republic model as written by the Framers. Beg pardon for the brevity....

[mvscal]

You're right about that. Federal spending is a runaway train and nobody could stop it even if they wanted to. Now we have all three branches of government wiping their asses with the Constitution. The country is going to crash and burn. Obamacare is merely the final coffin nail in our slow zombie shuffle from The New Deal to The Great Society to The Inevitable Meltdown.

Our cowardly predecessors traded our liberty for their security and now we'll have neither.