Props to Obama

[Atomic Punk]

Israeli jets will be attacking Iranian military targets soon. Get ready for $7/gallon for gas.

[Moving Sale]

And props to you 88. Citizens United is, so far, a nonstarter.
Way to take millions from billionaires and give it to ad execs.
Trickle down at work.

[smackaholic]

Sorry, but no props.

He has shown himself to be the most incompetent prez in history. But, I guess when you have the press in your pocket it really doesn't matter much.

Props to CBS, NBC, ABC, etc, I guess for letting your boy run out the clock on the benghazi debacle. But, this one isn't over with. The reps still have control of the house and will likely eventually get the word out on this disgraceful episode.

And no props to mitt either.

You fukken had your chance to stuff benghazi down his throat in the last debate. But, you decided to take the high road and look presidential. how'd that work out for ya?

Hopefully next time around we'll get somebody with some balls to run. maybe Christie.

[smackaholic]

One other thing. Where was Dick Morris tonight?
Think I'll take him in the next DP.

[Atomic Punk]

The old (R) cronies put in Romney as their candidate. I've always said Bobby Jindhal or Marco Rubio would be the best choices. 4 years from now Obammunism will end. Oh well.

Always look at the bright side of life. ~Eric Idle

[Screw_Michigan]

The GOP just might be the dumbest collection of folks ever to grace this planet. Their representatives here are Exhibit A. I guess demeaning women and minorities at every opportunity won't get your party to the White House.

Let's just say it was a legitimate victory.

[smackaholic]

The next rep should be much more of the libertarian persuasion.

The reps need to get over the abortion issue. Like it or not, the dems keep a large number of fiscally conservative women in their camp with it. And the republicans threw away at least 2 Senate seat over this issue. And the bottom line is, no matter who you have, abortion isn't going away. Even if someday we get rid of Roe V Wade, the issue goes back to the states. So, maybe it becomes illegal in Oklahoma. It will still be legal in a short plane ride away. And PP will happily pay the freight on that flight.

[smackaholic]

The GOP just might be the dumbest collection of folks ever to grace this planet. Their representatives here are Exhibit A. I guess demeaning women and minorities at every opportunity won't get your party to the White House.

Let's just say it was a legitimate victory.

How exactly do they demean minorities or women, dumbfukk?

[Carson]

By asking them to be productive.

[smackaholic]

Bullshit.

It does not demean women.

It doesn't even demean whores. It simply asks them to take a little responsibility for their actions. It also points out that whacking some poor little fella before he even gets out of the gate because he's an inconvienience just might be a little demeaning to him.

[Mace]

Members of both parties need to add the word "compromise" to their vocabulary and start thinking about the welfare of the country. Obama and Boehner have agreed to a compromise on the budget but Boehner gets shot down by his right wing colleagues. That has to change and it has to change on both sides of the aisle. Compromising is the only way they can get anything accomplished and they can't do that by constantly pointing fingers at each other. It's time for them to get off their asses and get to work.

[Mikey]

Sorry, but no props.

He has shown himself to be the most incompetent prez in history. But, I guess when you have the press in your pocket it really doesn't matter much.

Props to CBS, NBC, ABC, etc, I guess for letting your boy run out the clock on the benghazi debacle. But, this one isn't over with. The reps still have control of the house and will likely eventually get the word out on this disgraceful episode.

And no props to mitt either.

You fukken had your chance to stuff benghazi down his throat in the last debate. But, you decided to take the high road and look presidential. how'd that work out for ya?

Hopefully next time around we'll get somebody with some balls to run. maybe Christie.

Props to you for buying 100% into the dishonest Republican propaganda and over the top vilification, and staying with it.
Not.

Attitudes like yours are what may doom this country to failure in the long run.

[smackaholic]

What propoganda?

The benghazi debacle?

There are indisputable facts.

1. They asked for added security, repeatedly before the attack. This was refused.

2. They were atacked by a well organized terrorist group, not a bunch of last minute scruffs pissed off about a stupid unknown video.

3. The Obama administration, right out of the gate invented the pissed off youtuber thing to coverup their obvious fukkup concerning their refusal to provide security.

4. Most of the mainstream media outlets completely ignored this.

Which part of this "propaganda" do you refute?

[Sirfindafold]

Attitudes like yours are what may doom this country to failure in the long run.

Don't worry. Rising debt and energy prices, a worthless dollar and government dependency will beat him to it.

[The Seer]

The GOP just might be the dumbest collection of folks ever to grace this planet.

You finally got one right. Despite constant media manipulation of how "events" are now reported, the gop couldn't muster up enough votes to oust a guy with a horrible record.

Accountability is going the way of the carrier pidgeon. Obama rewarded for a lousy job. Lawbreaking illegal aliens from all over will be rewarded with American tax dollars to pay their bills. Hostile foreign countries will laugh as they take our money because they are willing to tap their natural resources for energy while the US is worried about marking genetically engineered food.

Look for more hysterical female minorities to get seats on the bench.

But, there is a chance, Obammy will be concerned about his "legacy", that maybe an advisor or two will remind him that Clinton, not faced with re-election worries, moved to the center. Because, even with secreted transcripts, BHO could have enough upstairs to see that socialism won't work.

Regardless, Bush can now be assured to remain in the public eye for the next 4 years since blame has no statute of limitations, the media will print that the pain you feel in your wallet really doesn't exist, and the divisions will continue to grow deeper.

Props to jsc for calling his shot.

[Mikey]

What propoganda?

The benghazi debacle?

There are indisputable facts.

1. They asked for added security, repeatedly before the attack. This was refused.

2. They were atacked by a well organized terrorist group, not a bunch of last minute scruffs pissed off about a stupid unknown video.

3. The Obama administration, right out of the gate invented the pissed off youtuber thing to coverup their obvious fukkup concerning their refusal to provide security.

4. Most of the mainstream media outlets completely ignored this.

Which part of this "propaganda" do you refute?

Not much point in arguing.

You've heard what you want to hear and think you know exactly how the clusterfuck went down, that Obama was personally responsible and probably sat in a chair and watched gleefully while our Ambassador was murdered. No amount of additional information, which is out there and easy to find, will move you off of any of these "indisputable facts" that you know are the absolute truth and the whole story.

You really need to get your fingers out of your ears and let it go. For you own health if no other reason.

[Derron]

A 50% to 49% victory is not some kind of a mandate.

It means that 1/2 the country still thinks Obongo, his homies and their policies suck. Just the corruptness of the Electoral College won out.

[Mikey]

A 50% to 49% victory is not some kind of a mandate.

It means that 1/2 the country still thinks Obongo, his homies and their policies suck. Just the corruptness of the Electoral College won out.

Great logic there Einstein.

[Goober McTuber]

This is the best part of an Obama victory. Watching the right wingnuts falling all over each other to see who can make the most idiotic observations.

[Loganfan]

Fuck Obama and fuck the tools that voted for him.
And fuck San Diego for the mayoral vote.
Rack Colorado and Washington
Rack California for keeping the death penalty.

Rack having an office in Canada as a last resort to flee the country when Barry continues to run it into the ground.....

[smackaholic]

What propoganda?

The benghazi debacle?

There are indisputable facts.

1. They asked for added security, repeatedly before the attack. This was refused.

2. They were atacked by a well organized terrorist group, not a bunch of last minute scruffs pissed off about a stupid unknown video.

3. The Obama administration, right out of the gate invented the pissed off youtuber thing to coverup their obvious fukkup concerning their refusal to provide security.

4. Most of the mainstream media outlets completely ignored this.

Which part of this "propaganda" do you refute?

Not much point in arguing.

You've heard what you want to hear and think you know exactly how the clusterfuck went down, that Obama was personally responsible and probably sat in a chair and watched gleefully while our Ambassador was murdered. No amount of additional information, which is out there and easy to find, will move you off of any of these "indisputable facts" that you know are the absolute truth and the whole story.

You really need to get your fingers out of your ears and let it go. For you own health if no other reason.

Let me ask one more time.

Which of these points I made is fiction?

I'm not saying he wanted them dead or didn't watch in horror. I am saying that he knows he is responsible because he turned down requests for security that would have avoided this mess. Rather than say he fukked up, he took a calculated rick and invented a bullshit story, then ran out the clock with the help of the media.

[Dinsdale]

Let me ask one more time.

Which of these points I made is fiction?

I'm not saying he wanted them dead or didn't watch in horror. I am saying that he knows he is responsible because he turned down requests for security that would have avoided this mess. Rather than say he fukked up, he took a calculated rick and invented a bullshit story, then ran out the clock with the help of the media.

Mikey just bought into the democratic propoganda.

[Mikey]

Pretty unclear from the article whether it was an "announcement" or part of some documentary that was shown on Channel 2 (whatever that is).

Could be that they were only referring to something he said in 2010.

I guess Armenian reporters aren't trained to write any more clearly than American reporters.

[Mikey]

Sam, you can come up out of your bomb shelter. The world won't be at war tomorrow.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/11/07/ ... g-bluff-2/

Netanyahu’s 2010 Order Was Not a Move to War on Iran
Bibi’s Big Bluff
by GARETH PORTER
A new twist was added to the longrunning media theme of a threat by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to go to war with Iran when news stories seemed to suggest Monday that Netanyahu had ordered the Israeli military to prepare for an imminent attack on Iranian nuclear sites in 2010.

Netanyahu backed down after Israeli Defence Forces chief of staff Gabi Ashkenazi and Mossad director Meir Dagan opposed the order, according to the reports.

But the details of the episode provided in a report by Israel’s Channel 2 investigative news programme “Truth”, which aired Monday night, show that the Netanyahu order was not meant to be a prelude to an imminent attack on Iran. The order to put Israeli forces on the highest alert status was rejected by Ashkenazi and Dagan primarily because Netanyahu and Defence Minister Ehud Barak had not thought through the risk that raising the alert status to the highest level could provoke unintended war with Iran.

All the participants, moreover, understood that Israel had no realistic military option for an attack on Iran. . Most stories about the episode failed to highlight the distinction between an order for war and one for the highest state of readiness, thus creating the clear impression that Netanyahu was preparing for war with Iran. The stories had to be read very carefully to discern the real significance of the episode.

The Israeli Ynet News report on the story carried the headline, “Was Israel on verge of war in 2010?” and a teaser asking, “Did Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak try to drag Israel into a military operation in Iran without cabinet approval?”

AFP reported that Netanyahu and Barak “ordered the army to prepare an attack against Iranian nuclear installations.”

The Reuters story said Netanyahu and Barak “ordered Israeli defence chiefs in 2010 to prepare for an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities but were rebuffed….”

And AP reported that the order from Netanyau was for a “high alert for a looming attack on Iran’s nuclear program” and that the episode “indicated that Israel was much closer to carrying out a strike at that time than was previously known.”

Washington Post blogger Max Fisher certainly got the impression from the press coverage that Netanyahu and Barak had “attempted to order the Israeli military to prepare for an imminent strike on Iran but were thwarted by other senior officials….” Fisher concluded that Netanyahu was “more resolved than thought to strike Iran….”

The coverage of the story thus appears to have pumped new life into the idea that Netanyahu is serious about attacking Iran, despite clear evidence in recent weeks that he has climbed down from that posture.

The details of the episode in the original Channel 2 programme as reported by the Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth suggest that none of the participants in the meeting believed that Netanyahu had decided on actual war with Iran.

The incident occurred, according to the programme, after a meeting of seven top cabinet ministers at an unspecified time in 2010. As Dagan and Ashkanazi were about to leave the meeting room, the programme recalls, Netanyahu ordered them to prepare the military for “the possibility of a strike” against Iran by putting the IDF on the highest level of readiness.

Netanyahu used the code word “F Plus” for the alert status, according to the Channel 2 programme.

Ashkenazi and Dagan reacted strongly to the order, and Netanyahu and Barak eventually backed down. But both Ashkenazi and Barak appear to agree that the issue was not whether Israel would actually attack Iran but the alert itself. Ashkenazi’s response indicated that he did not interpret it as a sign that Netanyahu intended to carry out an attack on Iran. “It’s not something you do if you’re not sure you want to follow through with it,” Ashkenazi was quoted as saying.

Barak sought to downplay the order for the high alert status, asserting that raising the alert level “did not necessarily mean war”.

“It is not true that creating a situation in which the IDF are on alert for a few hours or a few days to carry out certain operations forces Israel to go through with them,” the defence minister said.

Ashkenazi was not asserting, however, that Netanyahu would be forced to attack. Rather, he feared it would have the unintended consequence of convincing Iran that Israel did intend to attack and thus trigger a war.

The former IDF chief highlighted that danger in commenting, “This accordion produces music when you play with it,” according to “sources close to” Ashkenazi – the formula usually used when an official or ex-official does not wish to be quoted directly.

Barak also said Ashkenazi had responded that the IDF did not have the ability to carry out a strike against Iran. “Eventually, at the moment of truth, the answer that was given was that, in fact, the ability did not exist,” Barak is quoted as saying on the programme.

Significantly, Barak made no effort to deny the reality that the Israeli Air Force did not have the capability to carry out a successful attack against Iran. Instead he is blaming Ashkenazi for having failed to prepare Israeli forces for a possible attack.

Ashkenazi angrily denied that obviously political charge. “I prepared the option, the army was ready for a strike but I also said that a strike now would be a strategic mistake,” he is quoted as saying.

Israeli military leaders are still saying publicly that the IDF can carry out a strike. But while Ashkenazi is quoted as saying the army was “ready for a strike”, that is not the same as claiming that Israel had a military option that had any chance of success in derailing Iran’s enrichment programme. And in February 2011, he told then Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen that references to such a military option were “empty words”, because “Israel has no military option,” according to an earlier report by Yedioth Ahronoth.

Despite the public political feud between them, both Barak and Ashkenazi implied that the purpose of the high alert was to achieve a political effect rather than to prepare for an actual attack.

Both Ashkenazi and former Mossad director Dagan were apparently shocked that Netanyahu and Barak would be so irresponsible as to run the obvious risks of feigning preparations for a war with Iran. Dagan concluded that Netanyahu is unfit for leadership of the country – a point that he had made repeatedly since leaving his Mossad post in 2011.

Netanyahu sought to manipulate the supposed threat of military force against Iran to put pressure on U.S. President Barack Obama to adopt harsh sanctions against Iran and even get him to pledge to use force if Iran did not yield on its nuclear programme. The firm rebuff to that ploy by Obama last summer brought that phase of the Netanyahu military option ploy to an end, as indicated by his failure to include any implicit threat in his U.N. address in late August.

Netanyahu continues to insist publicly, however, that he is considering the military option against Iran. In an interview for the Channel 2 programme, he said, “We are serious, this is not a show. If there is no other way to stop Iran, Israel is ready to act.”

Israeli political observers have suggested that Netanyahu’s belligerent posture has now become primarily a theme of his campaign for reelection as prime minister. But as the coverage of the 2010 episode indicates, the news media have not yet abandoned the story of Netanyahu’s readiness to go to war against Iran.

[Loganfan]

Sam, you can come up out of your bomb shelter. The world won't be at war tomorrow.

It's mostly already at war

[Mikey]

Pretty unclear from the article whether it was an "announcement" or part of some documentary that was shown on Channel 2 (whatever that is).

Could be that they were only referring to something he said in 2010.

I guess Armenian reporters aren't trained to write any more clearly than American reporters.

And my reading comprehension has deteriorated to Armenian levels apparently.

I assumed within hours of Obama's re-election, Netenyahu felt compelled to make a statement that Israel was going in.

Apparently he did make some kind of statement. Go down to the bottom of the article I just posted. Israeli political observers, though, pretty much attribute it to domestic political bluster.

[Mikey]

Sam, you can come up out of your bomb shelter. The world won't be at war tomorrow.

It's mostly already at war

Then maybe you'd better get one of our own to climb into.

[Loganfan]

Sam, you can come up out of your bomb shelter. The world won't be at war tomorrow.

It's mostly already at war

Then maybe you'd better get one of our own to climb into.

I would, but the military sez I'm too old and broken down. Maybe I could hang out down in Otay Mesa and use illegals as moving targets to keep in practice. That's OK since I'm not BP, yes?

[Mikey]

I don't know. When Iran drops the big one on San Diego I think even Otay Mesa will be SOL.

[Loganfan]

I don't know. When Iran drops the big one on San Diego I think even Otay Mesa will be SOL.

I would hope we'd turn that region to glass before they have a chance to do so. This weekend would be nice.....I could watch Persia melt while I unpack

[BSmack]

Rack having an office in Canada as a last resort to flee the country when Barry continues to run it into the ground.....

Dittoheads wanting to run to Canada, to escape a socialist President?

[Loganfan]

Rack having an office in Canada as a last resort to flee the country when Barry continues to run it into the ground.....

Dittoheads wanting to run to Canada, to escape a socialist President?

I actually passed down a chance to do a year in our Toronto office a couple years ago.
Not real serious about that....not a big fan of Canada. I'd rather wait till our Dublin office opens in Ireland and see if I could pull a 2 year stint there.

[BSmack]

You should be a big fan of Canada. If it weren't for the fact that they take care of ALL of their people, you would really be able to appreciate their sense of order and politeness.

[Loganfan]

You should be a big fan of Canada. If it weren't for the fact that they take care of ALL of their people, you would really be able to appreciate their sense of order and politeness.

I've no problem with the people themselves. We've had our Toronto office for years and deal with all their major banks and brokers......but they're CURLING fans. Not sure I can get over that.

[Loganfan]

When'd you migrate back over here, Logan?

Just today.......I'll probably start hitting the CFL and NFL forums. Maybe just the the college one.......the Chargers are too disappointing to talk about, but my Irish and Aztecs both look decent so far this year.

[Mikey]

Bandwagoning the Aztecs now that they've beaten BSU?

Glad to have you back, though...one thing the BTPCF forum has been lacking is some good MWC threads.

[Sirfindafold]

You should be a big fan of Canada. If it weren't for the fact that they take care of ALL of their people, you would really be able to appreciate their sense of order and politeness.

You forgot to mention that they don't border Mexico.

[Loganfan]

Bandwagoning the Aztecs now that they've beaten BSU?

Glad to have you back, though...one thing the BTPCF forum has been lacking is some good MWC threads.

Bandwagoning? LMAO.....my family's had 8 people graduate from there since my Grandfather. Uncle was on the board and built that student housing that's right next to the arena before he died.
Hell......my kid saw Strasburg pitch almost every home game his last season because we were living right down the street and could walk to the games

[Loganfan]

Bandwagoning the Aztecs now that they've beaten BSU?

Glad to have you back, though...one thing the BTPCF forum has been lacking is some good MWC threads.

Bandwagoning? LMAO.....my family's had 8 people graduate from there since my Grandfather. Uncle was on the board and built that student housing that's right next to the arena before he died.
Hell......my kid saw Strasburg pitch almost every home game his last season because we were living right down the street and could walk to the games

Hey you old fucker! What up!

Willie!! How's things? Old....yep. 43 a couple days ago.

[Mikey]

Bandwagoning the Aztecs now that they've beaten BSU?

Glad to have you back, though...one thing the BTPCF forum has been lacking is some good MWC threads.

Bandwagoning? LMAO.....my family's had 8 people graduate from there since my Grandfather. Uncle was on the board and built that student housing that's right next to the arena before he died.
Hell......my kid saw Strasburg pitch almost every home game his last season because we were living right down the street and could walk to the games

So?



Bring that shite to BTPCF and you'll probably gert runnd because you weren't here propping them during spring drills.