Objective Post Mortem

[Cuda]

LOL @ Cuda thinking Mitt lost beacase he wasnt conservative to get the conservatives out to vote

reading comprehension much? Willard lost, in part, because his masquerading as a conservative turned off the moderates who once supported him. He also campaigned as though he thouht it was Sean Hannity & Rush Limbaugh's job to make his case for him instead of making it it himself.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

"Oh Great Kwanzaa Spirit...please make the Benghazi thing go away. Also, my cocaine fueled gay sex parties...if you could shit-can those...bigs ups, dawg."

[mvscal]

It's simple math:

Yes, it is. They will lose far more votes than they will ever gain by pandering. Amnesty is a complete non-starter for anyone who gives even the slightest bit of fuck about the law and the Constitution. You're proposing to open the flood gates for millions more Democrat voters in the forlorn hope that more than a handful will vote GOP. It's a fantasy.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Demographic Time-Bomb = White Minority


Sorry, them's the breaks.


Oh yeah...karma called...they say "hello"...

[Felix]

It's simple math:

Yes, it is. They will lose far more votes than they will ever gain by pandering. Amnesty is a complete non-starter for anyone who gives even the slightest bit of fuck about the law and the Constitution. You're proposing to open the flood gates for millions more Democrat voters in the forlorn hope that more than a handful will vote GOP. It's a fantasy.

Rational discussion of amnesty is not pandering, it's a reality that's here to stay...you and I might not like it but ignoring the problem is not going to make it go away.....

[Bizzarofelice]

They will lose far more votes than they will ever gain by pandering.

did one side stop pandering

[mvscal]

If those votes are "lost" where would they go?

They'll stay home.

Wish the immigration issue was one that could be tossed back to the states - but it can't

There is no issue. Enforce the law and let the chips fall where they may.

[Mikey]

Oh yeah...karma called......

I'll take one...

[Bizzarofelice]

if it's taxes and reigning in the federal govt. then we will have to compromise on other issues in order to achieve those objectives

in that context, i think it is reining. but i'm not sure.

the gop has had the social and fiscal people intertwined for so long, that the social conservatives are more open if not completely bought into the fiscal conservative mantras. you guys have been inbreeding for 30 years. most of the party has bought into the whole platform.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

you guys have been inbreeding for 30 years. most of the party has bought into the whole platform.

Even retarded rednecks have a breaking point when it comes to phony fiscal "conservatism".

The Tea Baggers spent the first three years of the first Obama administration ostensibly aligning themselves with an anti-Wall St. sentiment, only to be told to call off the dogs once Romney got the nomination.

[smackaholic]

the GOP bent over backwards to reach out to hispanics this election. but, it doesn't matter. they want free shit. other people's free shit. promise that to them, and you may win a few. same goes for the blacks x 2.

our best bet is to adopt a neutral attitude on the social shit. basically say it's not a fed issue and push hard for shrinking the fed government. i also think we need to cut back some on the military side. About the only points Obama scored during the debates were in the area of military spending.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

the GOP bent over backwards to reach out to hispanics this election.

How did they "reach out"?

By letting the entire Hispanic American population know they were open to racial profiling by their own police forces by virtue of having brown skin? (I'm looking at you, Arizona)

Way to shoot yourself in the face, GOP.

The Dems didn't promise any "free shit" to Hispanics, you monumentally feeble tard.

[Bizzarofelice]

The Tea Party was a coalition of fiscally conservative Republicans and Libertarians.

is it still? has the tea party spoken out on non-fiscal issues? as their popularity grows, surely more folks start bringing other issues to the front.

[mvscal]

The Dems didn't promise any "free shit" to Hispanics, you monumentally feeble tard.

Shut the fuck up, idiot.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... ts/258550/

[H4ever]

The Tea Party was a coalition of fiscally conservative Republicans and Libertarians.

is it still? has the tea party spoken out on non-fiscal issues? as their popularity grows, surely more folks start bringing other issues to the front.

That whole movement was a farce. It was bought and paid for by plutocrats and the ingrates dancing around thinking they were gonna change shit for the better were simply pawns. Laughable.

[smackaholic]

the GOP bent over backwards to reach out to hispanics this election.

How did they "reach out"?

By letting the entire Hispanic American population know they were open to racial profiling by their own police forces by virtue of having brown skin? (I'm looking at you, Arizona)

Way to shoot yourself in the face, GOP.

The Dems didn't promise any "free shit" to Hispanics, you monumentally feeble tard.

The republican convention looked like univision.

Other than that, I don't know how exactly you "reach out" short of promising them free shit.

And technically, you are right. They didn't offer free shit to the spics, they offered it to everybody except the rich.

[H4ever]

the GOP bent over backwards to reach out to hispanics this election.

How did they "reach out"?

By letting the entire Hispanic American population know they were open to racial profiling by their own police forces by virtue of having brown skin? (I'm looking at you, Arizona)

Way to shoot yourself in the face, GOP.

The Dems didn't promise any "free shit" to Hispanics, you monumentally feeble tard.

The republican convention looked like univision.

Other than that, I don't know how exactly you "reach out" short of promising them free shit.

And technically, you are right. They didn't offer free shit to the spics, they offered it to everybody except the rich.

Why should the rich get all the free shit? It's how socialist movements get started, ya know. If this election's results aren't heeded like a shot over the bow of the white castles...the rich are gonna be truly fucked in the near future. Compromise or die dumbfucks.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

The Dems didn't promise any "free shit" to Hispanics, you monumentally feeble tard.

Shut the fuck up, idiot.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... ts/258550/

I meant Hispanic American citizens, you knob-huffing dullard.

You know...potential voters.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

The Tea Party was a coalition of fiscally conservative Republicans and Libertarians.

is it still? has the tea party spoken out on non-fiscal issues? as their popularity grows, surely more folks start bringing other issues to the front.

The Tea Baggers got rug-burn from the astroturf...then they went home.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

white castles

:paul:

[H4ever]

white castles

:paul:

ah shit...make that ivory towers.!

[Dinsdale]

By "compromise" you mean "give me your money," right?

[H4ever]

By "compromise" you mean "give me your money," right?

Naw...just close a few loopholes in the tax code, for starters. Ban offshore accounts would be another measure. Obama's even got a few as do other wealthy liberals. Tariffs, increased wages and benefits domestically, etc.

When 5% of the population have a net worth of $40 trillion since 1980 which is more than the entire HUMAN RACE has is worth/has made EVER (the other 95%...and this may be a global figure on the 5%)

Something just isn't right in how shit rolls. People are catching on and are going to skull-fuck the 5% at every voting opportunity. You don't like big government? Wait till the 95% has their players in control, across the board. Doesn't bode well now does it? And it has already begun. Compromise or die isn't that tough a choice.

[Dinsdale]

When 5% of the population have a net worth of $40 trillion since 1980 which is more than the entire HUMAN RACE has is worth/has made EVER (the other 95%...and this may be a global figure on the 5%)

It "may"?

So, you don't actually have any idea what the fuck you're talking about (:SHOCKER:), and are just spouting unsubstantiated bullshit.

Sounds about par for the course.

[H4ever]

When 5% of the population have a net worth of $40 trillion since 1980 which is more than the entire HUMAN RACE has is worth/has made EVER (the other 95%...and this may be a global figure on the 5%)

It "may"?

So, you don't actually have any idea what the fuck you're talking about (:SHOCKER:), and are just spouting unsubstantiated bullshit.

Sounds about par for the course.

The election results and the political tides are substantive enough. There is a link to those numbers (which may not be exact) somewhere. I will have to see if I can find it. So yea....I do have some idea of wtf I'm talking about. What's your take or are you content to be an oppositional prick

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

I miss Pikkkle...

[Cuda]

you guys have been inbreeding for 30 years. most of the party has bought into the whole platform.

Even retarded rednecks have a breaking point when it comes to phony fiscal "conservatism".

The Tea Baggers spent the first three years of the first Obama administration ostensibly aligning themselves with an anti-Wall St. sentiment, only to be told to call off the dogs once Romney got the nomination.

Gets it

white castles

:paul:

Gets it

I miss Pikkkle...

Gets it

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

^^^^^^^^

That's the Martyred Trifecta.


RACK me? No. RACK you, comrade-worker.

[Goober McTuber]

Add this to your objective post mortem.

On a Saturday morning in August, a hopeful conservative media reported gleefully about their apparent good fortune: a bright eyed, P90X –addicted, “ideas guy” would be the Republican vice presidential pick. Finally, they thought, this campaign had a visionary who would offer a bold alternative to what they saw as a failed Obama administration.

The problem? Those very ideas that conservatives called “bold” and the candidate they called “game-changing” became the noose that hanged Mitt Romney.

Mitt Romney had spent much of the primary campaign disconnecting himself from past policy positions and severing ties with his own personal experience. He ran away from his former positions on everything from health care to abortion to marriage equality. Governor Romney’s listless primary campaign never caught the imagination of conservative voters who considered choosing far right candidates – first Michele Bachmann, then Herman Cain, then Rick Santorum – in an effort to avoid picking Romney as their nominee. Ultimately, Romney captured the nomination by claiming the last seat at the end of a long and at times painful game of musical chairs – not because he had articulated a policy vision for the future of the country.

Hoping to redeem himself, the choice of Paul Ryan as running mate came at a time when Romney had just endured an embarrassing gaffe-filled international trip and his campaign had failed to pick up steam during a long summer. One would think that after offending one of America’s closest allies within hours of making landfall, the campaign would have thought to add some international heft to their ticket – but as the trip wound down it was clear that all Romney could do was just try and change the subject.

More from CNN: Romney says Obama 'gifts' won him election

In the days that followed the lovely morning ceremony from the deck of the USS Wisconsin, the choice of Ryan forced the Romney campaign to either immediately stake out actual positions on key domestic policy pieces or accept being defined by default by Ryan’s existing plans. Romney, for his part, had already said his running mate’s plan was “marvelous” and that he was “very supportive of the Ryan budget plan.”

But when debates and analysis turned to the candidate’s actual policy plans, the shiny veneer of Paul Ryan, with his remarkably stellar marathon times, did not live up to the appeal the Romney campaign had counted on.

On Ryan’s biggest issue, Medicare, his plan to turn the senior citizen health care delivery system into a voucher program didn’t have the electoral punch he had hoped for. In Florida, where Romney spent no less than $44 million, voters in exit polls said that they rejected Ryan’s Medicare voucherization plan, saying they trusted Obama more (50 percent to 46 percent) when it came to managing Medicare.

And instead of championing job-creating solutions, Republicans were left to salivate over monthly employment numbers looking for any sign of weakness and expressing disappointment when the jobs picture continued to improve. They rooted against progress because they’d otherwise need to defend the Ryan budget – a plan that they recognized had absolutely no solutions to create jobs, and disinvested in crucial infrastructure investments that would spur job growth.

In fact, his budget’s promises to deliver real deficit reduction without doing away with tax breaks for big oil and the wealthiest Americans became a real liability when matched with Mitt’s rhetoric about writing off the other “47 percent of Americans.” Obama opened a 9 point lead in Ohio, the battleground state credited as the election’s decider, just after Romney matched up his rhetoric (albeit behind closed doors) with the reality of the Ryan plan. And when Ryan made a late October wade into the crucial economic issue of poverty, he went on to further demagogue the poor as government dependents despite the fact that Americans by a wide margin (63 percent to 32 percent) reject the “you’re on your own” economics that Ryan preaches.

Romney’s attempt to woo young voters (all comments about “borrowing money from your parents” notwithstanding) with a young, bright-eyed and in-shape running mate also fell flat on its face. The problem? Romney’s belief that young people don’t have the brains to realize that Ryan’s youthfulness won’t stop his call for massive cuts of up to 42 percent to Pell grants for needy students go into effect.

Romney and Ryan, both, for their parts have weighed in on "what went wrong" - blaming their failed ground game or, and this isn't a joke: Obama playing Santa Claus with minority voters and young people. When Republicans look back at this election, though, they have to admit that doubling down on all of the failed Bush-era economic principles didn’t serve Romney or Ryan well in this election, and under any real discernment, doesn’t pass the smell test for improving our country.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com ... ?hpt=hp_t3

[smackaholic]

Add this to your objective post mortem.

On a Saturday morning in August, a hopeful conservative media reported gleefully about their apparent good fortune: a bright eyed, P90X –addicted, “ideas guy” would be the Republican vice presidential pick. Finally, they thought, this campaign had a visionary who would offer a bold alternative to what they saw as a failed Obama administration.

The problem? Those very ideas that conservatives called “bold” and the candidate they called “game-changing” became the noose that hanged Mitt Romney.

Mitt Romney had spent much of the primary campaign disconnecting himself from past policy positions and severing ties with his own personal experience. He ran away from his former positions on everything from health care to abortion to marriage equality. Governor Romney’s listless primary campaign never caught the imagination of conservative voters who considered choosing far right candidates – first Michele Bachmann, then Herman Cain, then Rick Santorum – in an effort to avoid picking Romney as their nominee. Ultimately, Romney captured the nomination by claiming the last seat at the end of a long and at times painful game of musical chairs – not because he had articulated a policy vision for the future of the country.

Hoping to redeem himself, the choice of Paul Ryan as running mate came at a time when Romney had just endured an embarrassing gaffe-filled international trip and his campaign had failed to pick up steam during a long summer. One would think that after offending one of America’s closest allies within hours of making landfall, the campaign would have thought to add some international heft to their ticket – but as the trip wound down it was clear that all Romney could do was just try and change the subject.

More from CNN: Romney says Obama 'gifts' won him election

In the days that followed the lovely morning ceremony from the deck of the USS Wisconsin, the choice of Ryan forced the Romney campaign to either immediately stake out actual positions on key domestic policy pieces or accept being defined by default by Ryan’s existing plans. Romney, for his part, had already said his running mate’s plan was “marvelous” and that he was “very supportive of the Ryan budget plan.”

But when debates and analysis turned to the candidate’s actual policy plans, the shiny veneer of Paul Ryan, with his remarkably stellar marathon times, did not live up to the appeal the Romney campaign had counted on.

On Ryan’s biggest issue, Medicare, his plan to turn the senior citizen health care delivery system into a voucher program didn’t have the electoral punch he had hoped for. In Florida, where Romney spent no less than $44 million, voters in exit polls said that they rejected Ryan’s Medicare voucherization plan, saying they trusted Obama more (50 percent to 46 percent) when it came to managing Medicare.

And instead of championing job-creating solutions, Republicans were left to salivate over monthly employment numbers looking for any sign of weakness and expressing disappointment when the jobs picture continued to improve. They rooted against progress because they’d otherwise need to defend the Ryan budget – a plan that they recognized had absolutely no solutions to create jobs, and disinvested in crucial infrastructure investments that would spur job growth.

In fact, his budget’s promises to deliver real deficit reduction without doing away with tax breaks for big oil and the wealthiest Americans became a real liability when matched with Mitt’s rhetoric about writing off the other “47 percent of Americans.” Obama opened a 9 point lead in Ohio, the battleground state credited as the election’s decider, just after Romney matched up his rhetoric (albeit behind closed doors) with the reality of the Ryan plan. And when Ryan made a late October wade into the crucial economic issue of poverty, he went on to further demagogue the poor as government dependents despite the fact that Americans by a wide margin (63 percent to 32 percent) reject the “you’re on your own” economics that Ryan preaches.

Romney’s attempt to woo young voters (all comments about “borrowing money from your parents” notwithstanding) with a young, bright-eyed and in-shape running mate also fell flat on its face. The problem? Romney’s belief that young people don’t have the brains to realize that Ryan’s youthfulness won’t stop his call for massive cuts of up to 42 percent to Pell grants for needy students go into effect.

Romney and Ryan, both, for their parts have weighed in on "what went wrong" - blaming their failed ground game or, and this isn't a joke: Obama playing Santa Claus with minority voters and young people. When Republicans look back at this election, though, they have to admit that doubling down on all of the failed Bush-era economic principles didn’t serve Romney or Ryan well in this election, and under any real discernment, doesn’t pass the smell test for improving our country.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com ... ?hpt=hp_t3

that looked like a very objective article.

the author talks about pell grant cuts, then makes like of the truth, Obama did play Santa Claus to minorities and the young.

[Truman]

...makes like of the truth...

Looks like another immortal contribution to the ol' T1B lexicon...

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

I am gonna make like a leaf and get the heck outta here.


Sin,
smackaholic

[Mikey]

Obama did play Santa Claus to minorities and the young.

You mean as opposed to Romney's strategery of playing Santa Claus to the uber rich and the dumb as fukk white trash who were stupid enough to actually think he was on their side?

[Goober McTuber]

Add this to your objective post mortem.

On a Saturday morning in August, a hopeful conservative media reported gleefully about their apparent good fortune: a bright eyed, P90X –addicted, “ideas guy” would be the Republican vice presidential pick. Finally, they thought, this campaign had a visionary who would offer a bold alternative to what they saw as a failed Obama administration.

The problem? Those very ideas that conservatives called “bold” and the candidate they called “game-changing” became the noose that hanged Mitt Romney.

Mitt Romney had spent much of the primary campaign disconnecting himself from past policy positions and severing ties with his own personal experience. He ran away from his former positions on everything from health care to abortion to marriage equality. Governor Romney’s listless primary campaign never caught the imagination of conservative voters who considered choosing far right candidates – first Michele Bachmann, then Herman Cain, then Rick Santorum – in an effort to avoid picking Romney as their nominee. Ultimately, Romney captured the nomination by claiming the last seat at the end of a long and at times painful game of musical chairs – not because he had articulated a policy vision for the future of the country.

Hoping to redeem himself, the choice of Paul Ryan as running mate came at a time when Romney had just endured an embarrassing gaffe-filled international trip and his campaign had failed to pick up steam during a long summer. One would think that after offending one of America’s closest allies within hours of making landfall, the campaign would have thought to add some international heft to their ticket – but as the trip wound down it was clear that all Romney could do was just try and change the subject.

More from CNN: Romney says Obama 'gifts' won him election

In the days that followed the lovely morning ceremony from the deck of the USS Wisconsin, the choice of Ryan forced the Romney campaign to either immediately stake out actual positions on key domestic policy pieces or accept being defined by default by Ryan’s existing plans. Romney, for his part, had already said his running mate’s plan was “marvelous” and that he was “very supportive of the Ryan budget plan.”

But when debates and analysis turned to the candidate’s actual policy plans, the shiny veneer of Paul Ryan, with his remarkably stellar marathon times, did not live up to the appeal the Romney campaign had counted on.

On Ryan’s biggest issue, Medicare, his plan to turn the senior citizen health care delivery system into a voucher program didn’t have the electoral punch he had hoped for. In Florida, where Romney spent no less than $44 million, voters in exit polls said that they rejected Ryan’s Medicare voucherization plan, saying they trusted Obama more (50 percent to 46 percent) when it came to managing Medicare.

And instead of championing job-creating solutions, Republicans were left to salivate over monthly employment numbers looking for any sign of weakness and expressing disappointment when the jobs picture continued to improve. They rooted against progress because they’d otherwise need to defend the Ryan budget – a plan that they recognized had absolutely no solutions to create jobs, and disinvested in crucial infrastructure investments that would spur job growth.

In fact, his budget’s promises to deliver real deficit reduction without doing away with tax breaks for big oil and the wealthiest Americans became a real liability when matched with Mitt’s rhetoric about writing off the other “47 percent of Americans.” Obama opened a 9 point lead in Ohio, the battleground state credited as the election’s decider, just after Romney matched up his rhetoric (albeit behind closed doors) with the reality of the Ryan plan. And when Ryan made a late October wade into the crucial economic issue of poverty, he went on to further demagogue the poor as government dependents despite the fact that Americans by a wide margin (63 percent to 32 percent) reject the “you’re on your own” economics that Ryan preaches.

Romney’s attempt to woo young voters (all comments about “borrowing money from your parents” notwithstanding) with a young, bright-eyed and in-shape running mate also fell flat on its face. The problem? Romney’s belief that young people don’t have the brains to realize that Ryan’s youthfulness won’t stop his call for massive cuts of up to 42 percent to Pell grants for needy students go into effect.

Romney and Ryan, both, for their parts have weighed in on "what went wrong" - blaming their failed ground game or, and this isn't a joke: Obama playing Santa Claus with minority voters and young people. When Republicans look back at this election, though, they have to admit that doubling down on all of the failed Bush-era economic principles didn’t serve Romney or Ryan well in this election, and under any real discernment, doesn’t pass the smell test for improving our country.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com ... ?hpt=hp_t3

that looked like a very objective article.

It’s a blog, you fucking moron.

[smackaholic]

No shit it's a blog.

You put it out there as if it's something credible.

[smackaholic]

...makes like of the truth...

Looks like another immortal contribution to the ol' T1B lexicon...

Uhhhhh, it was an uhhh spellchecker malfunction. Yeah, yeah, that's what it was.

[Goober McTuber]

No shit it's a blog.

You put it out there as if it's something credible.

No, you fucking moron, I put it out there as being every bit as "objective" as mvscal's mewlings.

There was a link attached. You fucking moron.

[mvscal]

Looks I'm not the only one thinking the GOP stance on immigration needs to modify

I couldn't fucking care less what the idiots who have fucked the last two elections think. Supporting amnesty for illegal aliens will not do jackfuckingshit for the GOP. What it will do is alienate millions of GOP voters and give Democrats millions of votes.

These people aren't going to vote GOP, idiot. Get it through your thick, fucking skull.

[mvscal]

I'm being a realist here -

No, you're not. You're living in a fantasy world. McCain fucking sponsored an amnesty bill in Congress and he only pulled 31% of the Hispanic vote. Hispanics are not a GOP constituency and offering them amnesty so they can go ahead and vote Democrat is the height of stupidity.

[mvscal]

He mentions George W carrying the Hispanic vote -

Then he's full of shit. Bush "carried" 35% in 2000 and 45% in 2004. If you can chip away at the Democratic Hispanic block without compromising the platform, then fine go right ahead. Supporting amnesty is supporting political suicide, though, and you had best be alert to the fact.