Mount Rushmore...

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:01 am

of Rock & Roll

What four busts (don't get creepy) go up there?

Think
Think

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 10:28 am

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Sat Jun 13, 2015 10:39 am

"Start chiseling, boys."

Sin, Screwey

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Sat Jun 13, 2015 10:40 am

Carson · Post by **Carson** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 10:43 am

Dylan? Puhleeze...

Swap him out with Brian Wilson and you might have it.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 10:55 am

Page, Lennon, Presley, Wilson.

Is that your four?

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:20 am

Page, Lennon, Presley are a given. Fourth spot in the rotation is tough. In the spirit of diversity, I say through a nog up there. Jimi is to guitar playing what Lennon was to pop rock songwriting.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:02 pm

To me, the only one that is a given is Presley.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 3:01 pm

Robert Johnson, Howling Wolf, Muddy Waters, B.B. King

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Jun 13, 2015 3:50 pm

How about Mt. Rushmore of presidents?

I gotta go Washington, Jefferson, Roosevelt, and Lincoln.

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 3:58 pm

It's tough to include one member of a band and not the others unless that member was the undisputed leader of said band. I wouldn't include Lennon because the Beatles were far more than just him. Page's influence on Zeppelin was greater than Lennon's on the Beatles, so I could live with Page being there given his session work and membership in the Yardbirds. Dylan definitely belongs. My four would be Elvis, Page, Dylan, and Chuck Berry.

molly · Post by **molly** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:10 pm

I'm going there again on 8/30. Thrilling shit.

R-Jack · Post by **R-Jack** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:30 pm

How about a Mt Rushmore of board tards?

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:47 pm

BSmack wrote:Robert Johnson, Howling Wolf, Muddy Waters, B.B. King

None of them were rock and roll. Please try again.

Carson · Post by **Carson** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:48 pm

R-Jack wrote:How about a Mt Rushmore of board tards?

That would be THE LIST.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:50 pm

Smackie Chan wrote:Dylan definitely belongs.

As what? Can you honestly call Dylan a rock and roller? Great songwriter certainly.

Did he "ROCK!!!"? No.

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:06 pm

mvscal wrote:Can you honestly call Dylan a rock and roller?

Yes, I can, although the question is somewhat valid since the definition of R&R often depends on who's being asked. I would argue that many of the inductees in the R&R HoF don't belong there, specifically the rappers. But Dylan most certainly does because he perhaps more than anyone expanded what R&R could be and was as influential if not more so than anyone else. I say this not as an ardent fan of his, which I am not, but as an objective observer of what he's done. BSmack wants to populate R&R's Mt. Rushmore with nothing but bluesmen, but R&R is the ultimate hybridization of music, incorporating blues, jazz, country, soul, and folk music.

Before Dylan plugged an electric guitar into an amp at the Newport Folk Festival in 1965, R&R music was all about sex, love, cars, dancing, drinking, and generally having fun, with occasional heartbreak. It was not an outlet for political statements or serious issues like civil rights, as acoustic folk music such as that by Dylan's early influences like Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger was. Dylan was responsible for folding folk music into R&R by electrifying it and making it accessible to those outside of folk fandom, and his lyrics were unlike anything heard in rock music before.

If one defines a music's genre by the reputations of the musicians who play it, what Dylan played on albums like Highway 61 Revisted and Blonde on Blonde was most certainly R&R because the musicians who accompanied him, like Al Kooper, were known as rock musicians prior to playing with him. While songs like "Rainy Day Women #12 & 35," "Subterranean Homesick Blues," and most notably "Like a Rolling Stone" may not bear much resemblance to "Rock Around the Clock," "Johnny B. Goode," "Hound Dog," "I Want to Hold Your Hand," or "Black Dog," they were still rock songs more than they were folk, country, or any other genre.

I'm guessing one of the reasons BSmack would include someone like Robert Johnson on his Rushmore is because so many of his songs, which were unarguably pure blues, were covered by R&R musicians. Same goes for Dylan. While his versions of "All Along the Watchtower" and "Mr. Tambourine Man" were more folk than rock, what was done with them by musicians like Hendrix and the Byrds made them staples of FM rock radio. The number of Dylan songs that have been covered by rockers is nearly incalculable. And his influence on R&R songwriting is unparallelled.

So when you ask the question...

Did he "ROCK!!!"

...the answer is an unmitigated "YES!"

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:28 pm

I would add one caveat, and that is this pretend "Mt.Rockmore" should be all USA. In that light I nominate Bill Haley, Little Richard, Elvis Presley, and Chuck Berry. On the bench: Buddy Holly who I believe would have been a much larger influence if he had not died so young. Guess my age is showing. The Brits and others have produced some mighty fine stuff, but I'll wager even they would say they were influenced most by my 5.
Discovered this photo of two of them in 1955.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:59 pm

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:Robert Johnson, Howling Wolf, Muddy Waters, B.B. King
None of them were rock and roll. Please try again.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 10:31 pm

Wolfman wrote:On the bench: Buddy Holly who I believe would have been a much larger influence if he had not died so young.

He was a pretty huge influence anyway.

Not just on music, but on Rick Perry's eyewear.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:27 am

Smackie wrote:It's tough to include one member of a band and not the others unless that member was the undisputed leader of said band.

I do agree.
It's hard to just see Lennon up there, when the Beatles were much more than just him.

On the other hand, the Beatles were arguably the most significant rock group ever, and I couldn't see having a "top 4" without a Beatles representative up there.
Lennon is the obvious choice among the members.

Good takes on Dylan, btw.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:34 am

Smackie Chan wrote:I'm guessing one of the reasons BSmack would include someone like Robert Johnson on his Rushmore is because so many of his songs, which were unarguably pure blues, were covered by R&R musicians.

It was a good list of bluesmen. That doesn't make it rock and roll or even anything close to it. You can stop trying to guess the motives of an idiot.

So when you ask the question...

Did he "ROCK!!!"
...the answer is an unmitigated "YES!"

Sorry. Not even a little. No questioning his talent or influence but Dylan does not rock.

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:57 am

I guess it's a generational thing on whom one thinks should be included. There are always going to be peeps like Smackie and Bsmack talking about musicians and bands that nobody but a few have heard of or even care about due to what was hitting airwaves at a certain time.

I've never been a fan of the Beetles, but oddly enough, that is where my musical influence has mostly derived from back in grade school. When I learned to play music back in grade school, I realize it is mostly based on the Beetles without consciously knowing it. I was playing a few Beetles songs and not even knowing who made them as early as the 5th grade. Good feel and rhythm to some of those songs and they weren't difficult to play. No idea who played "Here comes the Sun" (no pedo, not "Here cums the son") was a catchy tune and easy to play.

Over the years, I realized that most of my base knowledge was derived from the Beetles and then was able to adapt to other musicians to copy their tunes.

One thing I will say about Bob Dylan, is that he was around at the same time as the Beetles and he may have had 2 songs that were okay to listen to. His high-pitched, nasally and narrative voice with whatever music he played never caught my interest. I guess critics of the day gave him a pass to the point that all future people in the industry have to accept him for his worth in order to have a job/career in the industry. Simply put, if you like Bob Dylan, then good for you. I think he sucks and one must have been smoking a lot of dope to think he is anything but a poet that talks during songs.

Bottom line: Bob Dylan sucks balck cock.

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:58 pm

BSmack wrote:
mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:Robert Johnson, Howling Wolf, Muddy Waters, B.B. King
None of them were rock and roll. Please try again.

Are Washington's, Jefferson's, Lincoln's, and Roosevelt's dads on Mt. Rushmore?

Imus · Post by **Imus** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:40 pm

Atomic Punk wrote:I sucks the balck cock.

Thanks for sharing your musical acumen.

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:20 pm

Imus wrote:

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:52 pm

Atomic Punk wrote:
Imus wrote:

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:20 pm

Atomic Punk wrote:I guess it's a generational thing on whom one thinks should be included. There are always going to be peeps like Smackie and Bsmack talking about musicians and bands that nobody but a few have heard of or even care about due to what was hitting airwaves at a certain time.

I've never been a fan of the Beetles, but oddly enough, that is where my musical influence has mostly derived from back in grade school. When I learned to play music back in grade school, I realize it is mostly based on the Beetles without consciously knowing it. I was playing a few Beetles songs and not even knowing who made them as early as the 5th grade. Good feel and rhythm to some of those songs and they weren't difficult to play. No idea who played "Here comes the Sun" (no pedo, not "Here cums the son") was a catchy tune and easy to play.

Over the years, I realized that most of my base knowledge was derived from the Beetles and then was able to adapt to other musicians to copy their tunes.

One thing I will say about Bob Dylan, is that he was around at the same time as the Beetles and he may have had 2 songs that were okay to listen to. His high-pitched, nasally and narrative voice with whatever music he played never caught my interest. I guess critics of the day gave him a pass to the point that all future people in the industry have to accept him for his worth in order to have a job/career in the industry. Simply put, if you like Bob Dylan, then good for you. I think he sucks and one must have been smoking a lot of dope to think he is anything but a poet that talks during songs.

Bottom line: Bob Dylan sucks balck cock.

Are you intentionally misspelling the band's name or are you just being your usual moronic self?

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:59 pm

I'll go with the later.

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:05 pm

Intentional. They started as the Silver Beetles, before changing it. It's a funny bug name and it stuck. If you feel good about spell checking them as The Beatles, then knock yourself out.

mcet · Post by **mcet** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:19 am

If it can't be Chris Holmes' face four times... Chris Holmes, Lemmy, Dimebag, and Keith Moon. Lifestyle is as much rock and roll as songwriting kids.

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:04 am

Smackie Chan wrote: Before Dylan plugged an electric guitar into an amp at the Newport Folk Festival in 1965, R&R music was all about sex, love, cars, dancing, drinking, and generally having fun, with occasional heartbreak. It was not an outlet for political statements or serious issues like civil rights

So what we're talking about is a bad musical sub-genre, not Rock'n Roll.

A-HEM.

Eddie Cochrane
Duane Eddy
Al Casey
Jet Harris

The State · Post by **The State** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 6:28 am

Papa Willie wrote:

Too funny... I was thinking about posting my choices earlier and the first three you have were on my list.

:Shocked:

Can't have Elvis on my list... since I don't have respect for anyone who doesn't create their own trip.

All the songs he sang came from black artists and made it mainstream for the white folk.

No question... he would have won "American Idol" if there was one back in the day.

My # 4 has to be Robert Johnson or James Brown.

We may not agree on much... but, at least we have the same taste in music.

The State · Post by **The State** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 6:51 am

Papa Willie wrote:Elvis didn't create it, but he definitely brought it to the masses - more than anybody else. You could keep going back and back and back, though, and finally you'd end up with 4 cavemen who were banging on bones. No doubt R&R is the blues' baby, though.

I'll take Jerry Lee... everyday of the week... when it comes to bringing black music to the white folk.

He wrote and played his own shit.

Don't forget about Johnny Cash as well.

atmdad · Post by **atmdad** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:15 am

to each their own, you guys sound like a bunch of 6th graders trying to convince Arnold Slade that Aerosmith's Toys in the Attic or Rocks was way better than anything KISS was putting out. Arrold was an idiot, and couldn't even appreciate Stranglehold or Great White Buffalo.

What about Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band?

The State · Post by **The State** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:49 am

atmdad wrote:
What about Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band?

Funny you mention that...

... I think that is one of the best bands... I've ever heard, straight up !

With "Sunburst"... being one of their best songs.

This could be a runner up...`"Mary Lou"

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:34 am

a-dad wrote:What about Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band?

To Smackie's point about Dylan and his influence, there would not have been creative lyricists like Seger without first having a groundbreaker like Dylan come along and take rock from "One, two, three o'clock, four o'clock rock" and "She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah" into something more thought-provoking and perhaps socially conscious.

Seger was great, Springsteen (mostly early), also -- but without a Dylan first, they don't happen.

That's why I put Bobby Zimmerman up there.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:16 am

Atomic Punk wrote:Intentional. They started as the Silver Beetles, before changing it. It's a funny bug name and it stuck. If you feel good about spell checking them as The Beatles, then knock yourself out.

They may have started as Beetles, then someone came up with a clever spelling giving it a musical connotation. It is OK to not know, plenty don't, but you look like a dumbass when you you go to the "yeah, I knew that card".

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:31 am

Smackie Chan wrote:Are Washington's, Jefferson's, Lincoln's, and Roosevelt's dads on Mt. Rushmore?

The very term "Rock and Roll" comes from the blues. Some folks are suggesting the 50s stars. I'm taking it back a decade or two further. Without Johnson, Muddy, Howlin Wolf and BB, Jimmy Page is still playing skiffle, Mick Jagger is just some ugly dude and Black Sabbath is a movie with Boris Karloff.

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:29 am

BSmack wrote:Without Johnson, Muddy, Howlin Wolf and BB, Jimmy Page is still playing skiffle, Mick Jagger is just some ugly dude and Black Sabbath is a movie with Boris Karloff.

So what you're saying, I should hate blues and blacks for this? Thanks alot, coons.