Christians among us...

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 1:53 am

Unless a person approaches those passages with a preconceived notion that the earth is a ball, there is no way they read those things and come away thinking that the earth is round.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:05 am

poptart wrote:Unless a person approaches those passages with a preconceived notion that the earth is a ball, there is no way they read those things and come away thinking that the earth is round.

Nor can they come away thinking the Earth is flat.

Those lines are, once again, metaphoric, and they do not mean what you think they mean, no matter how badly you wish them to.

You you do know what a metaphor, which the Bible is rife with, actually is?

It is a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action which is not literally applicable.

Go ahead and sleep off the rice wine hangover and come back when your head is clear.

Which should be about never.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 9:46 am

Christians...

Matthew 24:29 (Jesus speaking)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Heaven is the firmament.
It's what God named it.
See Genesis 1:8.

Genesis 1:6-8, 14-18 says there is a firmament over the earth, and the stars are within the firmament.

If something is falling from heaven, guess where it's falling to?

Yes, and Revelation 6 also says stars will be falling -----> to earth.

Folks, there is a firmament.

Nothing is 4.4 light years away - and MASSIVE.
lol

Stars are "small" and are within the firmament.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:33 pm

pop's avatard seems quite appropriate these days.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 1:47 pm

poptart wrote:Unless a person approaches those passages with a preconceived notion that the earth is a ball, there is no way they read those things and come away thinking that the earth is round.

Early Christians knew the world was a sphere. What the fuck is your problem?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 1:49 pm

I've already answered this question from you.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 1:50 pm

No, you didn't.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 1:54 pm

I think the flat earth argument has officially knocked of abortion as being the stupidest argument here.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 4:17 pm

Learning poptart really thinks the earth is flat is like finding out someone thinks 9-11 was staged. It's just that difficult to wrap your brain around that much conspiracy theory bullshit all at once.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:35 pm

That word would be idiotic. Obviously there are many more fill-in-the- blank choices available, but idiotic works just fine. The fact that the only "authorities" he leans on like a broken crutch, are a book of myths requiring blind faith and conspiracy videos and websites, shows just how desperate he is for attention and validation.

If it weren't so damn funny it would be kind of sad. Considering how long we have all "known" this fruit loop makes it so much more pathetic.

Or hysterical.

Either way, it is the penultimate board and life meltdown.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:39 pm

Jay in Phoenix wrote:penultimate

I do not think it means what you think it means.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:26 pm

I suspect it may be his phone's autocorrect that doesn't know the definition.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:46 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
Jay in Phoenix wrote:penultimate
I do not think it means what you think it means.

Wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the last meltdown.
After all poptart's interweb life is comprised of many such incidents.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 9:05 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
Jay in Phoenix wrote:penultimate
I do not think it means what you think it means.

Yeah, got me on that one. iPad fail.

Same thing happened on a long ass response to tart which is now lost in the Internet ether.

So it goes.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:11 am

B wrote:Learning poptart really thinks the earth is flat...

I think I've said repeatedly that I don't know for sure what the shape of the earth is -- and that I have many more questions than answers.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:16 am

Jay wrote:a book of myths

Romans 14:11
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Good times!

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:24 am

poptart wrote:
B wrote:Learning poptart really thinks the earth is flat...
I think I've said repeatedly that I don't know for sure what the shape of the earth is -- and that I have many more questions than answers.

Well poptart, that is true, you have repeated this stance. So, let's try this from another angle. Do you at least acknowledge that we have sattelites in space, that enable us to get our phone, tv and Internet signals that we all rely on every day, including you? If so, then how do you account for the photos theynhave sent from orbitmof a curved horizon, a round Earth?

Two very easy and basic questions.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:26 am

poptart wrote:
Jay wrote:a book of myths
Romans 14:11
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Good times!

Where is your definitive PROOF God dictated this to the MAN who wrote it?

Proof, not belief.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:16 am

Jay wrote:Well poptart, that is true, you have repeated this stance. So, let's try this from another angle. Do you at least acknowledge that we have sattelites in space, that enable us to get our phone, tv and Internet signals that we all rely on every day, including you? If so, then how do you account for the photos theynhave sent from orbitmof a curved horizon, a round Earth?

Two very easy and basic questions.

This thread is to talk about the Bible, not these issues.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:20 am

poptart wrote:
Jay wrote:Well poptart, that is true, you have repeated this stance. So, let's try this from another angle. Do you at least acknowledge that we have sattelites in space, that enable us to get our phone, tv and Internet signals that we all rely on every day, including you? If so, then how do you account for the photos theynhave sent from orbitmof a curved horizon, a round Earth?

Two very easy and basic questions.
This science stuff is too tough to handle being compared against the bible. I don't wanna talk about it.

FTFY

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:23 am

Diego in Seattle wrote:
poptart wrote:
Jay wrote:Well poptart, that is true, you have repeated this stance. So, let's try this from another angle. Do you at least acknowledge that we have sattelites in space, that enable us to get our phone, tv and Internet signals that we all rely on every day, including you? If so, then how do you account for the photos theynhave sent from orbitmof a curved horizon, a round Earth?

Two very easy and basic questions.
This science stuff is too tough to handle being compared against the bible. I don't wanna talk about it.
FTFY

Take it to the other thread, Diego.

I''ll reply there.

This thread is to talk about what the Bible says.

trev · Post by **trev** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:24 am

My brother in law spends way too much time on the internet and believes most conspiracy theories, and totally buys into the religious stuff too. I've never heard him tout the earth is flat nonsense...Yet. I'm sure it will happen since he's already an idiot.

I personally know many science teachers. One, who is in a choir and believes in Christ/religion, once explained the Big Bang theory to me in a totally believable way. The rest of science peeps I know either believe both science and the bible equally or think the bible is bogus and science is correct. There is nothing wrong with both of those, but in my mind, there is something very wrong with only believing in the bible and discounting science as nothing. Come on people, get real.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:25 am

Jay in Phoenix wrote:
poptart wrote:
Jay wrote:a book of myths
Romans 14:11
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Good times!
Where is your definitive PROOF God dictated this to the MAN who wrote it?

Proof, not belief.

We both know the score, Jay.

I believe the Bible, you don't.

We are certainly called to have faith.

No need to belabor that.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:43 am

poptart wrote:
Jay wrote:Well poptart, that is true, you have repeated this stance. So, let's try this from another angle. Do you at least acknowledge that we have sattelites in space, that enable us to get our phone, tv and Internet signals that we all rely on every day, including you? If so, then how do you account for the photos theynhave sent from orbitmof a curved horizon, a round Earth?

Two very easy and basic questions.
This thread is to talk about the Bible, not these issues.

Way to duck and cowar pops. Too bad you let fear of the truth diminish your tiny existence.

You have to actually open your squinting, beady little rodent eyes to see.

One blind mouse, one blind mouse.
See how he runs, see how he shuns.
Poptart ran off for the Jesus life,
Then cut his own throat with a logic knife.
Did you ever see such a 'TARD in your house
As this blind mouse.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:04 am

Jay in Phoenix wrote:
poptart wrote:
Jay wrote:Well poptart, that is true, you have repeated this stance. So, let's try this from another angle. Do you at least acknowledge that we have sattelites in space, that enable us to get our phone, tv and Internet signals that we all rely on every day, including you? If so, then how do you account for the photos theynhave sent from orbitmof a curved horizon, a round Earth?

Two very easy and basic questions.
This thread is to talk about the Bible, not these issues.
Way to duck and cowar pops. Too bad you let fear of the truth diminish your tiny existence.

You have to actually open your squinting, beady little rodent eyes to see.

One blind mouse, one blind mouse.
See how he runs, see how he shuns.
Poptart ran off for the Jesus life,
Then cut his own throat with a logic knife.
Did you ever see such a 'TARD in your house
As this blind mouse.

Why are you dumping on this thread, Jay?

Take your science questions to the right place.
I've gone OUT OF MY WAY to try to tackle all questions and protests.

You are seriously worse than a young child.

This thread is to talk about what the Bible says.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:06 am

M0ds, if he keeps going off topic in here, close the thread down, or delete his ramblings.

There are two other thread for science talk.
This thread is not it.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:26 am

poptart wrote:M0ds, if he keeps going off topic in here, close the thread down, or delete his ramblings.

There are two other thread for science talk.
This thread is not it.

Wahhhhhhh!!!! Jay is being mean to me!!!!

He's sabotaging my own personal thread, which I bought and paid paid for with my own money!!!!

He's off topic, he's OFF TOPIC!!!!!!

WAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Jesus fucking H jumped up faggoty Christ.

Grow up already. Or deal with this being an open forum.

How about this mods. To satisfy pops fragile widdle ego, let's just put this and all of his other lunatic rantings back into a new theology forum. At least there he can slowly dwindle and die in his solitary and mentally diseased mind, like the warped little troll that he is.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:39 am

The Holy Spirit (God Himself) inspired Moses (and all other Bible authors) to write HIS Words for all of us to see.

Deuteronomy 13:7
Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

Psalms 67:7
God shall bless us; and all the ends of the earth shall fear him.

God said there are ends of the earth, not sides of the earth, which would have been correct if the earth was a ball.
He spoke in terms of the earth being flat.

There are many other such verses in the Bible.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:47 am

As I have tried to make clear, the Word firmament used over and over in Genesis 1 is raqiya in the original Hebrew.

For verification that it means a literal, tangible, physical cover or dome, see how Ezekiel uses it (raqiya) five times -- and each time it means a literal, tangible, physical cover or dome.

Read Ezekiel 1:22-26 and Ezekiel 10:1.

There is a literal cover over the earth, and within it God has placed the sun, moon and stars.
And above the cover is water.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:58 pm

KC Scott wrote:Would it be a an accurate statement to say you a "Bible Literalist"?

Meaning that you accept every word of KJ bible as an absolute truth not subject to interpretation or question?

As many times as he has taken to quoting the thing, taking a subjective word like "firmament" and using it as literal description of either tent, curtain or dome...which are three very different things, yet he implies they are all the same thing, well then yeah, he does.

Unless he admits otherwise, every single word, phrase and metaphoric description are truth, verbatim.

He has to buy into this wholesale and blindly, otherwise if one single word or passage were wrong, his entire house of flimsy cards comes tumbling down. The sad reality for pops is that there are any number of quotes you could refer to that contradict his personal viewpoint.

IF you Interpret them the right way. The entire book is subjective, it just depends on who is reading it.

What tart will never, ever admit to is that maybe, just maybe, he got at least one thing wrong.

House of cards and all.

..."and the walls come crumbling down..."

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:50 pm

Jay wrote:taking a subjective word like "firmament" and using it as literal description of either tent, curtain or dome...which are three very different things,

Jay, did you read the passages from Ezekiel that I posted?
I'm guessing not.

As in Genesis, fiirmament (raqiya) is used multiple times there -- and it is a tangible physical covering.

Tent, done, curtain -- what it certainly can not be understood as, is a vast open space, billions of light years big.
With waters over it, btw.
lol

Did you read Job 37:18?

And of course we have this...

Words have meanings, Jay.

Scott wrote:Would it be a an accurate statement to say you a "Bible Literalist"?

Meaning that you accept every word of KJ bible as an absolute truth not subject to interpretation or question?

Let's just say I believe the Bible, Scott.

I've posted the following for Jay and AP, and I must say, I am underwhelmed by what they produced to date....

I've cited Scripture (many, and there are many more) which tells us...

- There is a firmament
- The sun, moon and stars are within this firmament
- The earth never moves
- The earth does not move around the sun, but the sun and moon move
- The earth is not round, but seems to be flat

You protest, even though I have shown you SO much clear Scripture for these things.
So let's begin...

There is no firmament: Cite the Scripture for this

Sun, moon and stars are not within the firmament: Cite the Scripture for this

Earth moves: Cite the Scripture for this

Earth moves around the sun: Cite the Scripture for this

Earth is round: Cite the Scripture for this

Earth is billions of years old: Cite Scripture for this

Man came from animals: Cite the Scripture for this

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:07 am

Well, I'll play I guess. Water/H2O (firmament by your description) is the only substance that can be a solid, liquid, or gas. You've seen clouds before right?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:19 am

AP wrote:Water/H2O (firmament by your description)

I didn't describe the firmament as water.

The Bible says there is water above the firmament.

Genesis 1:6-7
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:15 am

Oh well then... right!

Book of Armaments 2:9-21

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:58 am

In the time of Noah...

Genesis 6:1-5
[1] And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
[2] That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
[3] And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
[4] There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
[5] And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Matthew 24:37
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mighty men.
Men of renown.
Satanic.

Believers, do not expect any truth from the people who operate the power structures on earth.
They will absolutely lie to you, and you will absolutely continue your enslavement to them and their systems in this very way.

There is no truth in them.

There is NO truth apart from God's Word.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:52 pm

Atomic Punk wrote:Well, I'll play I guess. Water/H2O is the only substance that can be a solid, liquid, or gas.

You and poptart make quite the pair of science teachers.

Would you like me to list a few hundred other things that have 3 phases?

Or should we just shorten it to "almost everything"?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:57 pm

Sometimes I'm embarrassed that I still post here.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:36 pm

Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote:Sometimes I'm embarrassed that I still post here.

Lord knows we're all embarrassed that you still post here.

Imus · Post by **Imus** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:41 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
Atomic Punk wrote:Well, I'll play I guess. Water/H2O is the only substance that can be a solid, liquid, or gas.

You and poptart make quite the pair of science teachers.

Would you like me to list a few hundred other things that have 3 phases?

Or should we just shorten it to "almost everything"?

Found some booze, drank it all, got corn-holed

What are the only three phases AP knows?

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:50 pm

poptart wrote:The Bible says there is water above the firmament.

Genesis 1:6-7
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

Of all the Scripture you have decided to post 'tart, this is by far the most curious. So then, which specific waters are being divided from the other waters? Is this a reference to the water contained in the sky within clouds from the land based waters of the sea and other bodies? How and why is this firmament dividing them?

As well, how is this relevant to your position on your "belief" in a flat Earth? I understand you have repeatedly said you "don't know" what the shape the Earth is, but you are at least suggesting it is "not round".