Me and my Pappy

[Carr Guy]

Well well well, looky here. This "Goober" guy has been harassing me in the college football forum. Calling me all kinds of cuss words and saying vile things. I had him pegged as an angry alcoholic because it takes one to know one, and i used to be one. so i decided to do some research of his post history and came across this thread. And what a ya know, looks like i was right. Why do you need all that booze, man? Do you convince yourself you keep all that around for "guests"? I used to say the same stuff to myself. but I've been sober 6 years now. Never felt better. You keep going down this road, the only guests you'll have over are the people you're begging for a liver transplant because you were diagnosed with serosis. It's not worth it man. There is so much more to live for. I put down the bottle for my wife, for my daughter, my daughter's three babies, and her current boyfriend who all live with us. And last but not least, i put the bottle down for my University of Michigan season football tickets. I want to be around for decades of championships. GO BLUE!!! So anyway i'll leave you with some life advice, pal. IF YOU'RE BOOZIN, YOU'RE LOSIN. I hope you take this to heart.

[Left Seater]

So anyway i'll leave you with some life advice, pal. IF YOU'RE BOOZIN, YOU'RE LOSIN. I hope you take this to heart.

Who knew the Dan Vogel troll was driving the Carr Guy troll.

[Mikey]

If you ever actually had "serosis" you'd probably know how to spell it.

[BSmack]

Carr Guy is just doing stream of unconciousness writing.

[Goober McTuber]

Why do you need all that booze, man?

It's a hobby.

[mvscal]

Why are those wine bottles upside down? Does Dinsdale know about this?

Uhm... because Goobs isn't an idiot (in this instance), and knows to keep the corks wet? Wine is always stored cork down... dipshit.

Hurry up! Go tell 'em how it's done...dipshit.

[Dinsdale]

Hurry up! Go tell 'em how it's done...dipshit.

The corks are wet... dipshit.

[mvscal]

Hurry up! Go tell 'em how it's done...dipshit.

The corks are wet... dipshit.

Yet not upside down. I guess always must mean something else in Oregon.

[Dinsdale]

My point was, and still is, that wine is stored with the cork wet.







Please tell me more about proper wine storage, since I don't deal with any, or anything... dipshit.

[Mikey]

Don't forget...Dins is an honorary assistant part time winemaker. He's up on all that's happening in the industry in...uh somewhere in Oregon.

[Dinsdale]

Don't forget...Dins is an honorary assistant part time winemaker.

completely facetious title

You just can't help kicking your own ass, can you?

[smackaholic]

I think we all get the wet cork idea. And I think we all get the fact that either prone or inverted, the cork is wet.

My question remains, is one better than the other? I would guess that it really doesn't matter. Laying on their side is likely used more because it is just a convenient way to do it. Could there be another reason? Do things tend to come out of solution and settle to the bottom? If they do, it might be that you wouldn't want this stuff on the cork.

I look forward to an enlightened explanation by you wine expert fukks.

[atmdad]

I think it is just a way of adding wine bling to the walls around your bar, nothing more nothing less. I think they are kind of cool.

[mvscal]

My point was, and still is, that wine is stored with the cork wet.

Nope. Your point was:

Wine is always stored cork down... dipshit.

When in reality, wine is rarely if ever stored cork down. It's stored, at least by those who know what the fuck they're doing (ie not you) horizontally. It's OK. You don't know what you're talking about. We're familiar with that by now. There is also a good reason why wine is rarely, if ever, stored cork down.

[Mikey]

Don't forget...Dins is an honorary assistant part time winemaker.

completely facetious title

You just can't help kicking your own ass, can you?

And yet you constantly use it to claim cred for some kind of insider knowledge of the industry and expertise on what good wine should be.

So what's your actual role? Dump bucket sampler?

BTW, I've got bottling line pictures on my cell phone too. Big fucking deal.

[Screw_Michigan]

BTW, I've got bottling line pictures on my cell phone too. Big fucking deal.

What if Dins was running the 200lio troll?

[Mikey]

BTW, I've got bottling line pictures on my cell phone too. Big fucking deal.

What if Dins was running the 200lio troll?

Come to think of it that somehow doesn't seem completely unbelievable.

[Mikey]

Promise me y'all aren't arguing over what angle a fucking bottle of wine should be.

It goes back a lot farther than that, maybe even a couple of days. Though that bottle angle is pretty damn important.

[Diego in Seattle]

This is the angle that a wine bottle should be at:



Sin,
Atomic Panties

[Dinsdale]

When in reality, wine is rarely if ever stored cork down. It's stored, at least by those who know what the fuck they're doing (ie not you) horizontally. It's OK. You don't know what you're talking about. We're familiar with that by now. There is also a good reason why wine is rarely, if ever, stored cork down.

Thanks for the laugh of the day (so far).

But enough of what you think you know, and let's deal with facts.

The only time you'll EVER see wine stored horizontally is when it's reached it's final retail destination(wine shop, restaurant, etc.), and gets put into a rack. Period.

See that bottling line above? When a bottle comes off, it gets "packed-and-stacked," meaning it gets put into the case, then that case is stacked on a pallet... with the bottles cork-down. Not just at this particular winery... at every last one of them. Then, depending on storage capacity, it's either put in cold-storage on-site, or shipped to a bonded storage facility (lots of stupid laws involved)... where the remain stacked on the pallet... with the fucking corks down.

So, with maybe the exceptions of screw-cap Ernest and Julio, every bottle you've ever had was stored with the cork down... Every. Last. One.

And no, we're not even going to debate this, since it isn't up for debate. It's a FACT, whether you care to believe it or not. I won't be at the winery for probably at least a week, but I can take a pic and show you literally thousand of cases of stored wine... every last one of them cork-down... dipshit. Because that's how wine is fucking stored, despite your uneducated ramblings.

[Dinsdale]

My question remains, is one better than the other? I would guess that it really doesn't matter. Laying on their side is likely used more because it is just a convenient way to do it. Could there be another reason? Do things tend to come out of solution and settle to the bottom? If they do, it might be that you wouldn't want this stuff on the cork.

I look forward to an enlightened explanation by you wine expert fukks.

Laying it on it's side is done because it's easier to display at a retailer, which is about the only reason.

Typically, you rarely see much precipitate in bottled wine. It's more common in reds to get some "throw," which is tartrate crystals coming out of solution, usually due to the bottle getting cold. Funny thing with tartrates, is once they precipitate, they don't readily dissolve back into solution -- it becomes white crystals in the bottom of the bottle. Generally, you'll only see it from small producers, who don't necessarily have all the right equipment.






Not the best pic for it, but in the background, you can see some large stainless tanks. They're hooked to a glycol chiller, which circulates through jackets in the tank walls (there's both 1500 gallon and 3000's along the wall). Before bottling, and after course-filtering, the wine gets pumped into the tank, and gets chilled, hopefully to about 28 degrees (results may vary in summer). This "cold-stabbing" hopefully gets all the tartrates that are going to throw to precipitate, which eliminates the crystals in the bottle problem. Even if there is throw, it doesn't stick to the cork, or anything else, just falls to whichever end of the bottle happens to be pointing down at the time. Other than that, there's not much that will precipitate, especially if the wine is properly sulphited (which keeps the potential redox reactions stable).

[Screw_Michigan]

You forgot ...dipshit.

[Mikey]

And no, we're not even going to debate this, since it isn't up for debate. It's a FACT, whether you care to believe it or not.

A sure sign that you're most likely full of shit.

[Dinsdale]

A sure sign that you're most likely full of shit.

Dude, I'm seriously starting to doubt that you've ever set foot in a winery, and instead Toolio up some pics. Since if you had, you'd surely have seen case goods being stored, and should be quite familiar with how they're stored. Hell, they usually have cases sitting in the tasting room... with the bottles upside down.

And you've obviously never purchased a full case before... since you'd open it to find every fucking bottle cork-down.

I'm witnessing some serious dipshittery in this thread.

[Moving Sale]

Girls girls, you are both right. Good wine is usually packed in crates upside down. The crate is stored right side up so the bottles are indeed upside down. Really good wine usually is packed in a case and will be stored horizontally, or a few degrees past horizontal or upside down. Once wine is removed from its crate or case it is stored a few degrees past horizontal so the air bubble is all the way at the base of the bottle. Now if the wine has an artificial cork, none of this applies for any practical reason.

[Screw_Michigan]

Alright, so I asked for some 3rd party advice on the whole wine shipping thing from a guy who is actually creating and shipping his own wine!

[The Seer]

I put down the bottle for my wife, for my daughter, my daughter's three babies, and her current boyfriend who all live with us.

Pretty much appears like a pick'em in the liver vs. alcohol option...

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Leykis fucked up both words in a two-word sentence. That's impressive.

[Bucmonkey]

Leykis fucked up both words in a two-word sentence. That's impressive.

[Goober McTuber]

Tom Leykis makes suckaholic seem literate. And some fool wanted his name on their wine? Jesus. Fucking. Christ.