Shout Out to Kyrie Irving...

[Left Seater]

It's called a transponder and if you can't find the transponder you are a pretty shitty pilot.

See LTS, even the little attorney knows it isn't a switch. Decent chance he even knows what code to squawk for a hijacking.

[Moving Sale]

7500

[Left Seater]

See LTS it isn't hard. No need to make crap up.

But by all means link us up to a photo of this switch the pilots could have thrown to squawk 7500.

[Dan Vogel]

Because nothing screams "real science" like assuming the earth's atmosphere is a vacuum.

Dunce, I'm afraid you have soiled yourself... again.

Your best option is to join Jayne in the read-only club.


1. No such assertion is made.

2. None of the images show any distortion at all.

3. Knowing the 'tard chorus would be screaming "REFRACTION!! REFRACTION!" the scientist showed near the end of this video that refraction used as the excuse for the lack of curvature is quite dubious because there needs to be a 9 ft difference in curvature (if the earth is your globe) at 6 ft eye height compared to 3 ft eye height.
The difference is only about 1/3 of that.

4. The curvature is NEVER there.
What we see continually reported and documented is that even mountains far far away (which should NEVER be seen if the earth is curving as we're told, even accounting for gross refraction) can be seen.
These things which could NEVER happen if the earth is curving as you insist are seen and documented in all different weather conditions.

5. The curvature is not there, dude. Let it sink in.

6. You are walking zombie. A globetard.

7. Read-only.






Have a nice day.

[atmdad]

Poptart, I read the bible and consider myself a follower of Jesus also, I do not see where it describes a flat earth, instead I see that GOD created the universe. Why? in your mind are you trying to limit what GOD can do by limiting it to a flat plane. Why? are you limiting GOD's ability to provide wisdom to us to understand the incredible universe He created.

I am reading the text, a-dad.

I could post a lot of things in response to these few sentences of yours, but I will point something out and then ask you a simple question.


Genesis 1:14-18 - God set the sun, moon, and stars in the firmament.

Genesis 1:6-7 - God placed waters above the sun, moon, and stars.

Psalms 148 - These waters above the sun, moon, and stars are established forever, by His decree.


Question: Where do you think these waters are located?


---------

If you paid attention to my previous posts about lack of earth curvature, you would know that height above sea level is accounted for in the math used to calculate it.

At any rate...
In this video, the observations are done at water level.

Surely you can't be trying to tell me that the earth curvature rate is somehow different over Lake Michigan compared to the earth curvature rate over Lake Winnebago.

But then again, I should be accustomed to people trying to tell me ------> weird, wild, wacky shhhtuff.





Have a nice day.

Going to say I have no clue, and I will add that trying to describe it with local phenomena is not going to work.

The Earth is not a "marble", but a rock thrown in the perfect trajectory that God deemed suitable for us.

Take your flat earth and use that to define the following items:
1) Gravity
2) Tides
3) Winter - Spring - Summer - Fall - Seasons
4) Why orbital mechanics work.

So, I will reiterate, I think you are an IDIOT and it pains me that an IDIOT believing in a flat earth is trying to spread the word of Jesus Christ.

[Dan Vogel]

Staged!

The Felix thing was discussed a very long time ago, Buttsy.
It was one of a long list of things which Jayne was humiliated over.


This is supposedly the ISS from 250 miles up...






This is supposedly Felix from 25 miles up...





haha!





It's a fish eyes lens.

The Felix dealie proved exactly nothing.

[Dan Vogel]

So, I will reiterate, I think you are an IDIOT and it pains me that an IDIOT believing in a flat earth is trying to spread the word of Jesus Christ.

A-dad, you should watch the video that I posted for you a couple of weeks ago.

There is no question that the Bible tells us that we live on a flat, stationary earth which is covered by a firmament.
Inside the firmament are the sun, moon, and stars.
Waters are above the firmament.

Why am I an idiot for simply acknowledging what the text tells us?

It is evident to me that you have not decided to research the topic AT ALL, even though the Word of God plainly tells you these things about what God created for you.


As for your 4 issues...

Research them for yourself... if you want to.
It is evident that whatever I post is not well-regarded by you.
And one should do their own research anyway.


As I said, I assumed "flat earth" was asinine for a while, too.
Until I decided to look at it.

Most people choose not to look -- and they then call other people idiots, without really knowing anything about the topic.

To be frank, you just don't know what you are talking about.



-- Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance --






Have a nice day.

[LTS TRN 2]

See LTS it isn't hard. No need to make crap up.

But by all means link us up to a photo of this switch the pilots could have thrown to squawk 7500.

None of the pilots of the four American Airlines planes signaled a Hijack Alert...not one...so?


C'mon, amuse us and offer some plausible scenario where a 6'4" ex-Marine pilot would be overwhelmed by a 5' 7" hadji with a "box cutter" and so surrender the helm as to allow the transponder to be quietly quelled..C'mon, you absolute troll bitch..

[Dan Vogel]

Scott, let me assume for a moment that you are not a complete idiot.

Do you see what the earth supposedly looks like from 250 miles up?

Do you then see what it supposedly looks like from just... 25 miles up?


Look at it again.



Why are you pursuing this?





Have a nice day.

[Left Seater]

None of the pilots of the four American Airlines planes

And FAIL. Tell your masters to tighten their shit up so you don't look like a first grader when you cut and paste this garbage.

[Jay in Phoenix]

This is supposedly Felix from 25 miles up...





haha!





It's a fish eyes lens.

The Felix dealie proved exactly nothing.

Poptart, you are a funny guy. Funny in a crazy sense, but funny.

Um dummy, that is NOT a fish eye lens. Not even close. Scott showed you what the distortion on fish eye lenses looks like. The entire image is affected. Nothing in that shot is distorted whatsoever, especially the astronaut.

Utter and complete failure.

I am a photographer, professionally speaking, so this was so stupid that...



even a crazy man is laughing at you.

Three questions for you pops, ones you've avoided over and over.

1. How does Google Earth work?

2. How does satellite tv work?

3. How does your computer or smart phone get their signals from Asia to the US?

Here's a hint, they are all the same answer.

GO!!!!

[Dan Vogel]

Regarding your obsession with this silliness, I'll only comment on things I have a substantial understanding of - Cameras and lenses are one of those subjects

I understand how they work - you don't.

Fisheye lens were built to increase the horizontal (or in some cases vertical) FOV back in the analog & film days because digital cameras/ panoramic "stitching" of shots had not been invented

Today multi sensor imagers are available on 360 degree cams which make fisheyes basically obsolete.

Every "explanation" you offer when anyone presents you with the obvious pertaining to this subject is "it's photoshop, lenses or computer animation" - yet you have zero experience or frame of reference with any of these things.

Your basis for making these claims is they don't pass your eye test, yet there are thousands, if not tens of thousands of camera and video experts who could easily confirm your suspicions - but they don't because they know they're not faked

The rocket launch Jay posted is the best example - it's something you've asked for multiple times, yet once presented with it you deny it as well - simply because it doesn't fit your narrative

Scott, the rocket launches Jayne posted were EASILY taken apart.
They do NOT show a rocket going from land to space.
Stop the nonsense.


This is truly surreal...



Here is the earth, supposedly from 25 miles up...







If it looks like that from 25 miles up, then why does it look like this...






... from 10 times as high up?

The 2nd pic is supposed to be 10x higher, Scott.

!0 times.

Look.
Look.
Look again.

See the curvature on both pics.
Compare.


Serious question: What are you? On dope?













Have a nice day.

[Dan Vogel]

I am a photographer, professionally speaking

Are you?

Then why didn't you answer a question about the video you posted?







1:00 to 1:04 -- the left screen -- what's that about?






Have a nice day.

[Jay in Phoenix]

So you have no answer for the "fish eye lens" challenge? Didn't think so. And yes, I am a videographer and photographer with 35 plus years of experience. Are you?

Answer my questions poptart, then I'll answer yours.

[Dan Vogel]

So you have no answer for the "fish eye lens" challenge? Didn't think so.

LOL

Unreal.


Jayne, are you 6 years old?

Look at the supposed earth from the ISS -- 250 miles up.

Look at the Felix earth pic -- from just 25 miles up.


Did you look at those pics?
Does your brain work?


If it's not a fish eye lens, then you tell me what the problem is.



Do you think the earth looks like that from 25 miles up?







Have a nice day.

[Jay in Phoenix]

Dumb fuck, that is NOT a fish eye lens, otherwise the entire fucking image would be distorted with the effect.

Also, coming in as poptart and addressing Dan Vogel in the third person is more than a little psycho.

Grow up already old man, this is humiliating for you.

[Dinsdale]

3. Knowing the 'tard chorus would be screaming "REFRACTION!! REFRACTION!" the scientist showed near the end of this video that refraction used as the excuse for the lack of curvature is quite dubious because there needs to be a 9 ft difference in curvature (if the earth is your globe) at 6 ft eye height compared to 3 ft eye height.
The difference is only about 1/3 of that.

Wait, what?


Some "scientist" is trying to tell you that refraction is a constant?

You might wanna shop for a new "scientist."

Here's a hint, Caveman -- refraction changes constantly. And when you change altitude, refraction changes very quickly.

BTW -- ever heard of a mirage? Weird how something far away can appear close... think hard now.

What you don't know about really basic scientific shit could fill a whole buncha bibles.

Let me help, since you're a tard -- light only travels in a straight line in a vacuum... dumbfuck. Ever put your hand or a stick into a pond/bucket/whatever?

WHOA!!!!! Look at that!

[Dan Vogel]

Dumb fuck, that is NOT a fish eye lens, otherwise the entire fucking image would be distorted with the effect.

Also, coming in as poptart and addressing Dan Vogel in the third person is more than a little psycho.

Grow up already old man, this is humiliating for you.

lol

Quite the opposite, my man.

One of THE funniest things ever.


Do you really think the earth looks like that from 25 miles up?

You do, don't you?
You're selling it very hard.



LMAO x infinity!





Have a nice day.

[Dan Vogel]

Wait, what?


Some "scientist" is trying to tell you that refraction is a constant?

You might wanna shop for a new "scientist."

Here's a hint, Caveman -- refraction changes constantly. And when you change altitude, refraction changes very quickly.

BTW -- ever heard of a mirage? Weird how something far away can appear close... think hard now.

What you don't know about really basic scientific shit could fill a whole buncha bibles.

Let me help, since you're a tard -- light only travels in a straight line in a vacuum... dumbfuck. Ever put your hand or a stick into a pond/bucket/whatever?

WHOA!!!!! Look at that!

Oh my goodness.
Dunce does not even begin to describe it...

1. What is the earth curvature rate on your globe earth? You've never answered.

2. I saw no water bucket in the video. LMAO!

3. Since "light only travels in a straight line in a vacuum," are you saying that we can NEVER measure earth curvature?

4. If we never are able to be sure what we are seeing, how can we be sure that we see a boat go over the curve of the earth? I mean, is the boat there... or not there... or maybe there...


rotf...




#tard
#massivetard






Have a nice day.

[Dan Vogel]

Why would you assume the same lens is used in both the red Bull pic and the NASA pic?

I obviously DO NOT, 'tard.

You do you acknowledge that the earth does not look like that from 25 miles up, right?
lol


So what is the Red Bull video supposed to be proving?

What is the Red Bull pic supposed to be proving?








Have a nice day.

[Dan Vogel]

Those few here who's brains have not given out, this page of this thread is what I've had to deal with for 2 years.

Simply
UN
REAL

I have no idea what the earth is "supposed to look like from 25 miles up

Obviously.

You are completely flummoxed by this topic.


Pause the video at 5:45.

Here Felix is less than 18 miles above the surface of the earth.

But look at how the earth looks.







Your globe would not look REMOTELY CLOSE to like that from just 18 miles off the surface.
He's only 18 miles up, dude.

You would have to go 20 times higher than 18 miles to even have your globe approach looking like that.

It's a lens distortion.
Period.


Just a TV show, anyway.
Entertainment for the truly mindless.






Have a nice day.

[Dan Vogel]

He only supposedly went up 25 miles.

Space officially starts at 62 miles.

https://www.google.com/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=Ty ... pace+start&*


I dunno.






Have a nice day.

[Dan Vogel]

I don't know how high up the "ceiling" is.

But according to the Bible, the sun, moon and stars are under the "ceiling."





Have a nice day.

[Dan Vogel]

Pause the video at 0:03, 'tards.

How high up is Felix?

Chime in.

Please do.


LOOK at the curvature of the earth!!!



LMAO x forever!






Have a nice day.

[poptart]

Have a nice day.

[Dan Vogel]

View from 2:20 to 3:30...







Then raise your hand high if you think it is real.



LOL

Just too damn funny, man.






Have a nice day.

[Dan Vogel]

A-dad (and other believers among us)...

The very first page of the Bible tells us that the globe earth orbiting a sun which is the center of the solar system -----> can not be.

The very first page.
Where God tells us what He created for us.

Why would God's Word tell us, on the first page, information which is the direct OPPOSITE of what it really is?

We are told over and over that God does not (CAN NOT) lie.

He lied to us about our world -- on page 1 of the Bible?
lol



Mark 13:25
And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

Revelation 6:13
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.



How do you imagine the stars are going to fall to the earth?



:|





Have a nice day.

[Jay in Phoenix]

Blah blah duck and evade, blah Bible bullshit, blah.

Okay, some clarification on numbers here. The curvature of the Earth becomes visible around 35,000 feet. Our intrepid space sky diver jumped from about 25 miles, equating to 132,000 feet, around five time the distance. So yes, the curve would be pronounced. The picture you keep referring to as "fish eye" is more akin to a wide angle lens. Scott has already given some great examples of the way an image changes due to the type of lens and aspect ratios involved. The "distortion" in that image of the Earth, is in part due to the lens, enhancing the way the planet appears below. Nevertheless, it is still a spherical planet.

Here's an image that is much lower than the space shot. It still shows the curvature in the background, but as you can see, the sky diver is not distorted, stretched, "fish eyed", blah blah whatever.



If you need more, here's the actual footage of the dive.



Once more, we are looking at video footage, not a photo. No special effects, no enhancements. Again, the wide angle used from outside the capsule does bend the curvature to a noticeable degree, but if the plane behind him were flat, this would not happen, unless it were a real fish eye, which it is not. As mentioned before, the entire image, both foreground and background would be affected. The foreground is not.

Take some photo lessons poptart, you know less than nothing about the subject.

[Dinsdale]

Okay, some clarification on numbers here. The curvature of the Earth becomes visible around 35,000 feet. Our intrepid space sky diver jumped from about 25 miles, equating to 132,000 feet, around five time the distance.

Can we get further clarification on those numbers?

35,000 * 5 = 175,000


But you're still much better at the maths than Tardtart.


AND YOU CAN SEE THE CURVE FROM A FUCKING AIRPLANE. (Which Tardtart has attributed to the window glass, or some other potartitude).

[Smackie Chan]

I almost miss String Boy.

[Dan Vogel]

AND YOU CAN SEE THE CURVE FROM A FUCKING AIRPLANE. (Which Tardtart has attributed to the window glass, or some other potartitude).

Post your picture, 'tard.

Two years into the discussion, you still can't answer a simple question directed to you.

What is the earth curvature rate on your globe?



LMAO!



#tard
#massivetard




Have a nice day.

[Dan Vogel]

Jayne, you are slow.

Truly, you are one of the dimmest bulbs on this board.


1. The Red Bull jump was a TV show. LMAO!

2. Do we even have a continuous video of him ascending up to 25 miles above earth's surface? Don't believe we do.

3. Did you not watch this and see the earth curvature that the lens produces when you pause it at 0:03?





Did you watch at 0:03 -- and put on your THINKing cap?


LOL x forever and ever.

Serious question: Are you retarded?



4. In this pic, based on the cirrocumulus clouds under him, he is roughly 7 or 8 miles up. Perhaps just slightly higher than a commerical jet flies.
http://dogfoose.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... Clouds.jpg




Do you think your globe earth curves like that from 7 or 8 miles up?

LOL


Again, serious question...

Are you retarded?





Have a nice day.

[atmdad]

I will ask again (but expecting no logical response)

Take your flat earth and use that to define the following items:
1) Gravity
2) Tides
3) Winter - Spring - Summer - Fall - Seasons
4) Why orbital mechanics work.

As for your 4 issues...

Research them for yourself... if you want to.
It is evident that whatever I post is not well-regarded by you.
And one should do their own research anyway.


As I said, I assumed "flat earth" was asinine for a while, too.
Until I decided to look at it.

Most people choose not to look -- and they then call other people idiots, without really knowing anything about the topic.

I have a post graduate degree that involved a quite a bit a of physics and a lot of math, I have essentially done the research. The physical world would not be as we know it if it were flat. I am going to presume that you are a fucking retard that is incapable of doing the proper research.

It is evident that whatever I post is not well-regarded by you.

At least you have one thing correct. As long as you continue to push this flat earth agenda I am going to continue to consider you a completely imbecilic moron.

[Dan Vogel]

Dunce
Jayne

Wastes of time.
Total embarrassments.



Get up to speed on the topic, retards.



#tards





Have a nice day.

[Dan Vogel]

I have a post graduate degree that involved a quite a bit a of physics and a lot of math, I have essentially done the research. The physical world would not be as we know it if it were flat. I am going to presume that you are a fucking retard that is incapable of doing the proper research.

Feel free to post your globe proof anytime, smart guy.

I've been waiting.






Have a nice day.

[Jay in Phoenix]

1. The Red Bull jump was a TV show. LMAO!

2. Do we even have a continuous video of him ascending up to 25 miles above earth's surface? Don't believe we do.

3. Did you not watch this and see the earth curvature that the lens produces when you pause it at 0:03?

Have a nice day.

1. So, the jump was just a tv show and the jump wasn't real? Is that what you're saying? God, you are stupid to the infinite power.

2. Do we really need one? He jumps from space, the sky is black and descends into the atmosphere, nice and blue. There are multiple angles on this.

3. Yes, because there is curvature, moron.

Poptart, if you were to be placed into a capsule on a rocket, shot into space and felt the pull of the g's and saw out the window the entire flight, put on a space suit and did a space walk, feeling the weightlessness and the vast universe all around you, you would say it was all special effects.



Congratulations, you just shattered the 'tard meter.

[Dan Vogel]

3. Did you not watch this and see the earth curvature that the lens produces when you pause it at 0:03?

3. Yes, because there is curvature, moron.

LMAO!!

Truly, you should -----> CHECK OUT <----- of this discussion and do some research.

You have NO IDEA what you are posting, what you are talking about, or even what you think you should be saying.

I don't think I've ever seen a person so confused.


LOOK at the curvature of the earth, Jayne!!







Oh my goodness!
This is too much fun.

Too damn funnay!

Good job, Jayne.




#readonly






Have a nice day.

[Jay in Phoenix]

Once again, congratulations on outing yourself as the Uber 'Tard you truly are.

That picture above is a perfect example of a fish eye lens effect, as you can see the entire image, both fore and backgrounds, are distorted.

Unlike any of the pictures from the ISS, satellite imagery, the space jump, etc.

Here's a golf clap for ya' nutcase.

[Moving Sale]

And this is why I said at the outset that the photographic evidence is not something I will argue about.

[poptart]

That picture above is a perfect example of a fish eye lens effect, as you can see the entire image, both fore and backgrounds, are distorted.

And this one is not distorted?





That's the earth from 25 miles up?