Illegally break in to this country

[Softball Bat]

Thanks for the tip, and check your spelling.

[Kierland]

It’s not a crime fucktard.

[Wolfman]

I'm going to Canada in August. I guess in the future I won't have to pass through customs on my return. Will Canada enforce their border? Such a racist nation.

[Screw_Michigan]

I'm going to Canada in August. I guess in the future I won't have to pass through customs on my return. Will Canada enforce their border? Such a racist nation.

What a stupid fucking question. You know what, prick? Desperate people less fortunate than you are looking to make good lives for themselves.

I hope you get roughed up going through the border someday, asshole.

[Kierland]

That has to be a troll job. No actual adult thinks that is an actual argument.

[Softball Bat]

I hope you get roughed up going through the border someday, asshole.

WOAH!

[Dr_Phibes]

What's the price of gas in Charlotte McKinney's pussy?

[FiatLux]

When a beaner is accidentally hit by a car trying to cross into Santa Barbara and California... we just call it a grease spot and save money on health care.

[Rooster]

I'm going to Canada in August. I guess in the future I won't have to pass through customs on my return. Will Canada enforce their border? Such a racist nation.

What a stupid fucking question. You know what, prick? Desperate people less fortunate than you are looking to make good lives for themselves.

I hope you get roughed up going through the border someday, asshole.

Too many of those less fortunate souls sneaking into our country and grabbing all that “free” stuff will result in us being less fortunate and unable to make a good life for ourselves. I vote for them staying in their own country and fixing what’s broken.

[Left Seater]

Of course they should stay in their country until such time as they are allowed to enter the US legally.

We should immediately explore setting up asylum and immigration facilities in Mexico.

[Kierland]

So we destabilize Central America so they can go to Mexico. Nice to see you right wing fucktards take responsibility again.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

What's the price of gas in Charlotte McKinney's pussy?

Not bad. But don't forget to use your McKinney Card to collect McKinney Points, which you can redeem for a car wash or air freshener.

[Kierland]

I lived in the US during the Bonzo Administration for one. No doubt you did more by actually voting for the senile POS. I did it because this is where I was born. This is pretty basic stuff. How do you not know this?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

What did you do to destabilize Central America, and why did you do it?

Are you serious?

[Kierland]

88MS13s is dead serious.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

88MS13s is dead serious.

88 has achieved a degree of success in life because he's made...

...sound financial decisions...

...and...

...he's worked very hard for his money.

[Kierland]

He is just like BrokenPsyche*, his fear of poverty, brought on by his knowledge of his dirt poor ancestors, has blinded him to anybody else and their predicament. As long as he gets his. It’s a very common mental disorder, or condition-if one is inclined to be kind.

*FatSeater’s fear came from the death of the breadwinner in his family.

[Joe in PB]

I'm going to Canada in August. I guess in the future I won't have to pass through customs on my return. Will Canada enforce their border? Such a racist nation.

What a stupid fucking question. You know what, prick? Desperate people less fortunate than you are looking ......

These desperate people should be trying to make their own countries great. What many in the Democratic party doesn't understand or care about is America's purse strings are not infinite. We are not the world's policemen nor are we their Holiday Inn.

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[Joe in PB]

So we destabilize Central America.....

I believe there is some truth here. I read an UN representative in Venezuela stated that the problem there is basically American made. The US has frozen the assets of Citgo and other Venezuelan companies, which has been a major issue for their financial crisis.



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[Kierland]

Who stole his PW?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

These desperate people should be trying to make their own countries great.

Or...and this could be a stretch...America and it's armed military wing, the IMF, could stop waging economic warfare on the Global South.

You can start by reading John Perkins' "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man".

...his job at Main was to convince leaders of underdeveloped countries to accept substantial development loans for large construction and engineering projects that would primarily help the richest families and local elites, rather than the poor, while making sure that these projects were contracted to U.S. companies.

[Kierland]

Marty,
They are brown it’s their fault.

Sin,
88BrokenHeadsinthesand

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Marty,
They are brown it’s their fault.

Sin,
88BrokenHeadsinthesand

I would say "they should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps", but...

- American corporations own the local bootstrap factory
- You need to afford a pair of boots to attach said bootstraps to
- The bootstrap plant will probably be leveled by cruise missile strikes after it's sold back to the locals at outrageously inflated prices,
paid for with an IMF loan that can never be repaid

[Rooster]

So we destabilize Central America.....

I believe there is some truth here. I read an UN representative in Venezuela stated that the problem there is basically American made. The US has frozen the assets of Citgo and other Venezuelan companies, which has been a major issue for their financial crisis.



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Nah. Venezuela’s economy is petrol based. When oil prices tanked their economy tanked. Add to that the burden of all that “free” stuff their leaders have sworn to give to the populace, it was just a matter of time before they had to pay for the piper’s tune. However, I suppose you could blame the US for glutting the energy market by becoming the world’s foremost producer thereby foisting on Venezuela and other countries like Russia the undue burden of having to diversify their economies.

[Kierland]

Why did prices tank?
Were they able to even sell the oil they had?
Is there a reason you are such a despicable pile of the mailman’s DNA?

[Rooster]

I believe I adequately explained why oil prices tanked in my previous post. Need I go over it again, only slower?

We... became... the... world’s... leading... energy... producer.

Please pause a full three seconds between each word to gain the full impact of what I am saying. If you like, I can explain the dynamics of oil extraction and production, and how that relates to the global price of energy. Believe me, as a former domestic and international oil & gas helicopter pilot, I am intimately familiar with how this works, seeing as how as the energy business goes, so goes the helicopter market.

[Kierland]

Wrong. They tanked because we conspired with the Muslims to deflate the oil prices in order to fuck with Chavez. It is true we had a much better ability to do that when we started fracking.
Care to answer the second, and more important question?
Btw
I’m glad you think you know about oil. It’s cute. Kinda like how Jayne thinks she knows about satellites.

[Rooster]

The answer to your second question has two parts. Yes, they were able to sell the oil they had— to a limited degree. They could sell their oil, but at a loss because the price of extraction and refinement exceeded the market value.

Let me step back for a moment and explain a couple of things. First, there are different kinds of oil and gas. Some kinds are easier to extract than others. Some kinds are easier to refine than others. For instance, the oil of Saudi Arabia is largely “sweet.” This means it is easy to refine and has fewer byproducts or fewer of the less valuable sub-types of oil. Furthermore, Saudi oil is easy to get to and is contained in large deposits. What this means is that it costs less than other means and types and is generally what was considered to be the measure by which the world’s oil capacity is. However, that isn’t necessarily true any longer with newer technology and new means of extraction.

For example: Canadian oil sands was only recently too expensive to develop because of the effort involved to produce it. Then change happened. Now it is much cheaper and easily extracted, but there are other concerns which impinge on the viability of that medium such as environmental damage. Fracking is another case where once it was either impossible or too costly to develop, but then with the energy industry developing, natural gas is considerably cheaper to extract and use.

Secondly, oil on the commodities market doesn’t say “Venezuelan oil” or anything like that. In the most general sense oil is dumped into a great big oil pot and sold in bulk. Some might be Middle Eastern oil and some might be GOM oil. When I added the caveat of “to a limited degree” that didn’t mean Venezuelan oil was now forbidden, but the other aspects of the oil industry were involved, namely sanctions. We see this in play with Iran where we penalize those who trade with various countries based on how they behave.

It’s not that we have physically prevented Iranian oil from hitting the market, so much as we financially punish the Iranians by keeping them from international banks and fining those who do business with them. But in a pinch, on occasion we actually do physically prevent oil from entering the market by means of our Navy and stopping the flow of oil in pipelines which are built across international borders.

Because some countries have a better means to improve their infrastructure and techniques, they can lower or raise the price of their oil independent of the market value or produce more or less depending on prices and the geopolitical situation. OPEC did this in a fashion back in the ‘70’s.

But that was then and this is now.

Venezuela can (well, maybe not so much any longer because of the unrest in the country at this time) sell their oil just like anybody else can. But, and this is a big BUT, it will lose money doing it, only exacerbating their financial problems. Saudi has had this problem for a while. They have developed a society where many things are free and the outflow of cash was eye popping. They had plenty of cash in reserves, but when the oil market crashed from the heady days of $150 a barrel and the costs of producing oil far exceeded what they could sell it for, they began to eat into their cash reserves quickly. Furthermore, the oil which is there is being depleted which places additional strain on the future viability of their economy.

I could give you actual dollar amounts of what it costs to produce various types of oil, but I suspect that you’ll remain unconvinced because you are married to the premise of the United States manipulated the oil market solely for the purpose of taking down a gadfly nation like Venezuela. This falls right in line with other conspiracy theories like the US blew up our own Twin Towers for the purpose of enriching the Military Industrial Complex. I won’t even attempt to refute that line of thought because of the massive gaps in reasoning it requires.

Venezuela is a victim of its own earlier success. Latin America has a fatal penchant for Marxism, so at one point in time socialism actually worked while the taps were flowing. Sadly for them and their neighbors, nothing stays the same and oil price dropped precipitously and have stayed there. Only the nation’s which have the capacity to adapt have done well in this brave new world and the United States is one of them.

Finally, I don’t claim to have a encyclopedic knowledge of the energy industry, but having lived that life and risen and fallen on its successes and failures, I thoroughly understand how it works, even if I don’t have knowledge of the minutia. The volatility of the O&G business is such that it is why I left it for the more ludicrously stable contractor/mercenary/DoD/DoS world. You can always count on mankind picking a fight with somebody.

[Kierland]

I didn’t read that all but you still don’t seem to understand that the “fatal flaw” of Marxism isn’t that it does not work it’s that it gets you beat up on the playground. We liked the kleptos like Perez that came before Chavez, but as soon as he popped up we started to fund groups like the Lima Group and OAS to destabilize the country. As for sanctions, you can call them sanctions and whatnot but that is just another word for economic warfare. I get that you don’t want to think of all the crap that our Gov does or at the very least lies to us about (911) and you can say I’m the dumb one for pointing it out but the truth is that you are just their little drone.