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Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:16 pm Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael & William Bryan - GUILTY!

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:42 pm

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:16 pm Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael & William Bryan - GUILTY!

Justice is served. Too bad they almost got away with it because the original prosecutor helped them cover it up. Helps that one of the defendant taped the murder (!) and gave it to the LIBERAL MEDIA (!!) because he thought it would exonerate him (!!!).

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:51 pm Shedick says it's the liberal media's fault that three Georgia rednecks chased a black man in a car with shotguns, tried to use a racist law rooted in slavery to hold him until police arrived, but eventually blew him away and almost got away with it. Yes, that was certainly the liberal media's fault.

Papa Willie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:25 pm 12 of those 13 jurors were white Georgia rednecks as well. You didn’t want to talk about that, did you?

What’s really funny, is that you never gave a fuck about Arbery. You just look at it as “a win for my team”.

schmick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:44 pm What about racism?


I have no problem with this verdict, I didn't follow this case, there wasn't 100 videos of this incident. From what I saw it was tragic and I feel awful for Arbery's family and friends.


I would part of the blame for this incident on the corporate press. They have hyper polarized everything and have driven a wedge between the races that did not exist at this level 20 years ago.

From what I know is that Arbery was walking through a house that wasn't his, a house that was under remodeling or construction and one that had had tools and materials stolen from it recently. Some neighbors tried to stop him until the police could arrive and a fight ensued, one of the neighbors shot Arbery as he tried to fight them.

Had the corporate press not driven distrust between the races to such high levels, cooler heads may have prevailed. Perhaps Arbery could have waited with those guys til Police arrived and if he had just been curious about the construction and didn't steal anything he could have been asked not to go on private property and then been free to go about his day.
The corporate press has the community hating each other, not trusting the authorities and hyper vigilant in protecting their neighborhoods from people who are only their to loot and destroy it because leftis DAs won't charge them with anything.

This incident is tragic, a man lost his life and 3 others will go to prison, now let's see if leftist DAs will do the same for other people who have been shot the last few years

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:07 pm The father and son were merely attempting to protect their neighborhood,

And if you look at Arbery's running route, he was headed for a dead end!

Papa Willie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:44 pm

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:40 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:07 pm The father and son were merely attempting to protect their neighborhood,

Which should have been left to the police.

Travis admitted that he knew that even a fully sworn peace officer wouldn't have had the right to detain Arbury, and Travis wasn't anything but a citizen (which he admitted to on the stand).

And if you look at Arbery's running route, he was headed for a dead end!

Yeah, I'm sure that runners never include dead end streets, which are less likely to have traffic (important to know when jogging in neighborhoods that....wait for it...have no sidewalks).

Let's be real. If you saw a black guy running down the street near you, you'd run the other way.

Left Seater wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:59 pm So last week the court system was broken and racist and whatever.

Today the court system got it correct and isn’t racist.

Good lord you liberals need to find some consistency.

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:40 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:07 pm The father and son were merely attempting to protect their neighborhood,

Which should have been left to the police.

Travis admitted that he knew that even a fully sworn peace officer wouldn't have had the right to detain Arbury, and Travis wasn't anything but a citizen (which he admitted to on the stand).

And if you look at Arbery's running route, he was headed for a dead end!

Yeah, I'm sure that runners never include dead end streets, which are less likely to have traffic (important to know when jogging in neighborhoods that....wait for it...have no sidewalks).

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:42 am
N-word please. He wasn't wearing running shoes, or even socks, and he wasn't seen running at all until he heard the neighbor calling 9-1-1. Further, he'd been seen previo0usly trespassing on the house under construction, never running, and the neighbor who called 9-1-1 recognized him as the same "jogger."

And at that time citizens' arrests were legal. Of course we can clearly see Arbery attacking and striking the son and trying to wrest the shotgun away from him. Why were there any chargers at all, let alone the "hate crime" bullshit automatically applied?

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:26 am

Left Seater wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:59 pm So last week the court system was broken and racist and whatever.

Today the court system got it correct and isn’t racist.

Good lord you liberals need to find some consistency.

There's an exception to every rule. The US criminal justice system is largely racist, but sometimes gets it right. Just like how not all Rice grads are smart, as you demonstrate every time you mash submit at this board.

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:18 am

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:42 am
N-word please. He wasn't wearing running shoes, or even socks, and he wasn't seen running at all until he heard the neighbor calling 9-1-1. Further, he'd been seen previo0usly trespassing on the house under construction, never running, and the neighbor who called 9-1-1 recognized him as the same "jogger."

And at that time citizens' arrests were legal. Of course we can clearly see Arbery attacking and striking the son and trying to wrest the shotgun away from him. Why were there any chargers at all, let alone the "hate crime" bullshit automatically applied?

Nobody cares. They hunted him down and blew him away like a dog. You are a disgusting racist, anti-Semitic, Jew cock sucking lowlife pile of human waste. Go away already.

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:34 am

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:18 am

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:42 am
N-word please. He wasn't wearing running shoes, or even socks, and he wasn't seen running at all until he heard the neighbor calling 9-1-1. Further, he'd been seen previo0usly trespassing on the house under construction, never running, and the neighbor who called 9-1-1 recognized him as the same "jogger."

And at that time citizens' arrests were legal. Of course we can clearly see Arbery attacking and striking the son and trying to wrest the shotgun away from him. Why were there any chargers at all, let alone the "hate crime" bullshit automatically applied?

Nobody cares. They hunted him down and blew him away like a dog. You are a disgusting racist, anti-Semitic, Jew cock sucking lowlife pile of human waste. Go away already.

They were trying to arrest him, not shoot him. If they had wanted to simply hunt him down like a dog (who hunts dogs?)--as the ludicrous prosecutor and Al Sharpton insist--they had ample opportunity to do so, especially on the dead end back road where they directly encountered him as he reversed course and ran right by them. The son only shot because he was attacked--and it was for real as you could see Arbery's punches and attempts to grab the shotgun.

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:27 am

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:34 am

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:18 am

Nobody cares. They hunted him down and blew him away like a dog. You are a disgusting racist, anti-Semitic, Jew cock sucking lowlife pile of human waste. Go away already.

They were trying to arrest him, not shoot him. If they had wanted to simply hunt him down like a dog (who hunts dogs?)--as the ludicrous prosecutor and Al Sharpton insist--they had ample opportunity to do so, especially on the dead end back road where they directly encountered him as he reversed course and ran right by them. The son only shot because he was attacked--and it was for real as you could see Arbery's punches and attempts to grab the shotgun.

Go watch on YT McMichael testifying on the stand, especially from the beginning. McMichael lays out his Coast Guard training on boarding boats. He laid out that a civilian cannot detain a subject unless that person has witnessed the subject committing a crime. And that a peace officer may detain that person if they have personal knowledge that a crime had been committed. McMichael is NOT a peace officer, in spite of how he thought of himself (again, watch McMichaels own testimony). And he not only had not personally witnessed Arbery committing a crime, he had no knowledge of Arbery committing a crime.

So the first time that the McMichaels confronted Arbery on the street & he ran away Travis shouldn't have tried further to detain him. Again, a police officer wouldn't have been allowed to detain Arbery, & the citizens with the last name of McMichaels certainly didn't have any legal authority to make any further attempts to detain Arbery.

Eventually the pursuit of a black man in GA by two white males ended with Arbery being corned by the two with the help of a third white male (Bryan). When a person who has committed no crime has been cornered by pursuing parties with one wielding a weapon it's the person who has been cornered that has the right to self-defense, not the pursuers. So Arbery had every right to grab the shotgun that Travis McMichael was wielding.

But don't take my words on this...take McMichael's when he took the stand.

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:18 am

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:27 am

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:34 am

They were trying to arrest him, not shoot him. If they had wanted to simply hunt him down like a dog (who hunts dogs?)--as the ludicrous prosecutor and Al Sharpton insist--they had ample opportunity to do so, especially on the dead end back road where they directly encountered him as he reversed course and ran right by them. The son only shot because he was attacked--and it was for real as you could see Arbery's punches and attempts to grab the shotgun.

Go watch on YT McMichael testifying on the stand, especially from the beginning. McMichael lays out his Coast Guard training on boarding boats. He laid out that a civilian cannot detain a subject unless that person has witnessed the subject committing a crime. And that a peace officer may detain that person if they have personal knowledge that a crime had been committed. McMichael is NOT a peace officer, in spite of how he thought of himself (again, watch McMichaels own testimony). And he not only had not personally witnessed Arbery committing a crime, he had no knowledge of Arbery committing a crime.

So the first time that the McMichaels confronted Arbery on the street & he ran away Travis shouldn't have tried further to detain him. Again, a police officer wouldn't have been allowed to detain Arbery, & the citizens with the last name of McMichaels certainly didn't have any legal authority to make any further attempts to detain Arbery.

Eventually the pursuit of a black man in GA by two white males ended with Arbery being corned by the two with the help of a third white male (Bryan). When a person who has committed no crime has been cornered by pursuing parties with one wielding a weapon it's the person who has been cornered that has the right to self-defense, not the pursuers. So Arbery had every right to grab the shotgun that Travis McMichael was wielding.

But don't take my words on this...take McMichael's when he took the stand.

But he wasn't cornered at all. He could have kept running or turn and stop. He knew why he was being pursued. This is what's being deliberately obfuscated. The only reason he was running was because he knew he'd been spotted and 9-1-1 called. And he chose to attack. The entire issue of race is genuinely irrelevant in this case because hey, there are burglars who are white. If the neighbors had seen a specific white jogger inspecting the construction site on several occasions--when tools and so forth had been stolen--they would have done the same thing.

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:35 am 1) Others were seen inside the construction site.
2) What was James Byrd doing before he got beaten & dragged to death by 3 white supremecists?

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:18 am But he wasn't cornered at all.

If the neighbors had seen a specific white jogger inspecting the construction site on several occasions--when tools and so forth had been stolen--they would have done the same thing.

Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:54 am

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:35 am 1) Others were seen inside the construction site.
2) What was James Byrd doing before he got beaten & dragged to death by 3 white supremecists?

1) Ahmaud was the ritual stand-in for all of them.
2) Shawn Berry was James Byrd's friend. Everyone in Jasper was a white supremacist. James' mistake was believing he was with a friend. It was the same mistake made by John Wayne Gacy's victims (Gacy's underaged lovers procured other boys for him, and helped him rape/kill them) and the Toolbox murder victims (the women were often friends of the murderer's daughter, who brought them to her father and participated in the rape/murders).

What should Byrd have done?

Diego wrote:What was James Byrd doing before he got beaten & dragged to death by 3 white supremecists?

Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:09 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:18 am But he wasn't cornered at all.

Evil white dudes were trying to kill him. He had an ancestral flashback moment. (Everyone has them, some groups more than others.) He could either be a female* and let them kill him, or he could stand his ground and fight to the end. Ahmaud said fuck it, and fought to the end.

What was he supposed to do?

If the neighbors had seen a specific white jogger inspecting the construction site on several occasions--when tools and so forth had been stolen--they would have done the same thing.

Black dude was Any N.igga, but a white dude has to be 'specific'? The only specification Ahmaud met was being black.

*For a while there, women were told they were more likely to survive an attack if they did whatever their assailant said to do. Fighting back meant dying. Just stay alive. Guess what happened?

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:04 pm A human being who hasn't presented a threat to anyone shouldn't have to do anything to avoid being murdered by anyone, including white supremacists.

Kierland wrote:OJ guilty. These guys, not so much.

Sin,
Idiotaholic

Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:09 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:18 am But he wasn't cornered at all.

Evil white dudes were trying to kill him. He had an ancestral flashback moment. (Everyone has them, some groups more than others.) He could either be a female* and let them kill him, or he could stand his ground and fight to the end. Ahmaud said fuck it, and fought to the end.

What was he supposed to do?

If the neighbors had seen a specific white jogger inspecting the construction site on several occasions--when tools and so forth had been stolen--they would have done the same thing.

Black dude was Any N.igga, but a white dude has to be 'specific'? The only specification Ahmaud met was being black.

*For a while there, women were told they were more likely to survive an attack if they did whatever their assailant said to do. Fighting back meant dying. Just stay alive. Guess what happened?

smackaholic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:30 pm The saddest part about it is that they were well intentioned. They just made a few really dumb decisions.

I don’t think they got up that morning thinking “I hope some nog jogs by so we can shoot him.

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:00 am
What bleating twaddle. First, the father and son and the neighbor are not evil at all, but were genuinely trying to protect their neighborhood. Calling the police wouldn't work because if you examine the area you'll see the nearest city is five miles away by freeway. Their neighborhood is tiny and remote--and there was no reason whatever for Arbery to be there in the first place. But moreover he wasn't just any n-word, he was the specific black intruder they'd seen--and chased--before. As for the notion of an "ancestral flashback," what the fuck is that even supposed to mean. He was perhaps having a flashback to his most recent arrest, or an ancestral vision of his future stay at the Graybar Hotel.

Papa Willie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:46 pm

Kierland wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:16 pm OJ guilty. These guys, not so much.

Sin,
Idiotaholic

Hilarious how you’re trying to make IB think you care about black people. Like Pedo and Screwy - you’re just trying to convince yourself that you actually do care.

You’re a fake lawyer, but a very real pile of shit.

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:00 am

Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:09 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:18 am But he wasn't cornered at all.

Evil white dudes were trying to kill him. He had an ancestral flashback moment. (Everyone has them, some groups more than others.) He could either be a female* and let them kill him, or he could stand his ground and fight to the end. Ahmaud said fuck it, and fought to the end.

What was he supposed to do?

If the neighbors had seen a specific white jogger inspecting the construction site on several occasions--when tools and so forth had been stolen--they would have done the same thing.

Black dude was Any N.igga, but a white dude has to be 'specific'? The only specification Ahmaud met was being black.

*For a while there, women were told they were more likely to survive an attack if they did whatever their assailant said to do. Fighting back meant dying. Just stay alive. Guess what happened?

What bleating twaddle. First, the father and son and the neighbor are not evil at all, but were genuinely trying to protect their neighborhood. Calling the police wouldn't work because if you examine the area you'll see the nearest city is five miles away by freeway. Their neighborhood is tiny and remote--and there was no reason whatever for Arbery to be there in the first place. But moreover he wasn't just any n-word, he was the specific black intruder they'd seen--and chased--before.

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:42 am

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:00 am

Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:09 pm
Evil white dudes were trying to kill him. He had an ancestral flashback moment. (Everyone has them, some groups more than others.) He could either be a female* and let them kill him, or he could stand his ground and fight to the end. Ahmaud said fuck it, and fought to the end.

What was he supposed to do?


Black dude was Any N.igga, but a white dude has to be 'specific'? The only specification Ahmaud met was being black.

*For a while there, women were told they were more likely to survive an attack if they did whatever their assailant said to do. Fighting back meant dying. Just stay alive. Guess what happened?

What bleating twaddle. First, the father and son and the neighbor are not evil at all, but were genuinely trying to protect their neighborhood. Calling the police wouldn't work because if you examine the area you'll see the nearest city is five miles away by freeway. Their neighborhood is tiny and remote--and there was no reason whatever for Arbery to be there in the first place. But moreover he wasn't just any n-word, he was the specific black intruder they'd seen--and chased--before.

What crime did they observe him committing?

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:55 am Trespassing--just like the previous times when tools and so forth had in fact been stolen. If you see a burglar leaving a house, you don't need evidence of something he's actually stolen to pursue him and initiate a citizen's arrest.

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:07 am

smackaholic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:30 pm The saddest part about it is that they were well intentioned. They just made a few really dumb decisions.

I don’t think they got up that morning thinking “I hope some nog jogs by so we can shoot him.

These guys tried leveraging a racist, abhorrent, and revolting law literally rooted in slavery to put fear and inflict violence on an innocent man. They were so racist, and so convinced they were doing the right thing, that they not only chased this man down and murdered him, but they recorded it and provided the video to a conservative radio station because they thought it would exonerate them. They also sung like canaries to the police thinking they could talk their way out of it, and they almost did.

The police and prosecutors tried covering it up. If it wasn't for that video seeing the light of day and these three assholes violating Rule #1 of being a criminal suspect--shut the fuck up--they would have never even gone to trial. The racist US criminal justice system and this racist citizen's arrest law would have never been repealed and no one would have known about Ahmaud Arbery's murder.

You have some deep seated issues with racism that you need to address. Men who hunt down other men and murder them in vigilante justice are not "well intentioned." They are cancers of society.

Pick your side wisely, fool.

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:59 am

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:55 am Trespassing--just like the previous times when tools and so forth had in fact been stolen. If you see a burglar leaving a house, you don't need evidence of something he's actually stolen to pursue him and initiate a citizen's arrest.

Balck people are not innocent before proven guilty, according to Let's Turd 2. Just lynch 'em!

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:55 am

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:42 am

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:00 am

What bleating twaddle. First, the father and son and the neighbor are not evil at all, but were genuinely trying to protect their neighborhood. Calling the police wouldn't work because if you examine the area you'll see the nearest city is five miles away by freeway. Their neighborhood is tiny and remote--and there was no reason whatever for Arbery to be there in the first place. But moreover he wasn't just any n-word, he was the specific black intruder they'd seen--and chased--before.

What crime did they observe him committing?

Trespassing--just like the previous times when tools and so forth had in fact been stolen. If you see a burglar leaving a house, you don't need evidence of something he's actually stolen to pursue him and initiate a citizen's arrest.

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:22 am

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:55 am

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:42 am

What crime did they observe him committing?

Trespassing--just like the previous times when tools and so forth had in fact been stolen. If you see a burglar leaving a house, you don't need evidence of something he's actually stolen to pursue him and initiate a citizen's arrest.

First off, TM never mentioned trespassing. My guess is that the property didn't have any "No Trespassing" signs to indicate that by entering w/o permission of the owner was trespassing. And all the time that TM was describing his pursuit of AA he never once mentioned trespassing as either his motivation to detain AA or that he told AA he was being arrested for trespassing. So trespassing wasn't the crime in question.

Second, others were observed walking around the house. How did TM know that AA was the one taking the tools? When TM confronted AA on the night of Feb 11th AA didn't have any tools on him. So TM had no specific knowledge that AA was taking anything from the house. So no, TM didn't see a burglar leaving the house. In fact, he never saw him leaving the house at all on the night of the 23rd. He went after AA only because the neighbors were pointing in AA's direction. TM didn't have enough of a case to detain AA as a police officer, much less as a civilian. And a detention requires a hell of a lot less reasonable cause than an arrest.