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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:02 am
by Tom In VA
PSUFAN wrote:
I can tell you that Germany and Japan were much different nations than the tribal viper den that is Iraq. Neither of the Axis nations offered a bit of resistance to their occupiers. They availed themselves readily to the reconstruction effort.
In Iraq, various factions are using the chaos to eliminate the others. When a group of politicians gather in the name of reconstructon, they are killed.
Islam abhors the Voice of the People. Unless we are converting them away from Islam, then we are no further to transitioning them to "Democracy".
The case is not mine to make. I was curious to the context in which you were dismissing any parallel. Initially, my response would have included some footnoted and linked studies on parallels between Saddam and Hitler. Then I decided I better ask you it would appear it was the right thing to do, as I understood your post more. Anyway.
"Neither of the Axis nations offered a bit of resistance to their occupiers" is disputable but in "orders of magnitude", I agree it's a weak comparison.
"In Iraq, various factions are using the chaos to eliminate the others." - Like that has never happened before and Iraq is a direct result of WWI AND WWII, but still, the order of magnitude is far greater and I'd yield on the technicality of your point.
"Islam abhors the Voice of the People. Unless we are converting them away from Islam, then we are no further to transitioning them to "Democracy"." - Disputable. They can be as secular and "wishy washy" as Judeo Christian based "Western" cultures.
Other than "Werewolves" and Jap snipers not knowing the War was over, I think most of the analogies deal with the political landscape and are valid. To say "Even Truman, had his naysayers", would be an accurate statement. Indeed, there were those who didn't believe we belonged in a war with Hitler at the time.
But analogies between Saddam and Hitler, are another thing altogether. I'd find that an interesting discussion.
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:40 am
by BSmack
Diogenes wrote:Of course Truman didn't have to deal with a 'loyal opposition' lead by Charles Lindberg and Tokyo Rose...
No, he just has to deal with Raider fans.
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:00 am
by Mikey
Diogenes wrote: appeasers ... cut and run....
Keeping up in your Republican Demagoguery 101 class, I see.
Maybe you'll actually graduate with an AA degree sometime
in Partisan Hackery.
Polly be your greatest lifetime accomplishment to date.
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:14 am
by Nishlord
So has Tom marched off to war yet, then?
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:50 am
by Tom In VA
Nishlord wrote:So has Tom marched off to war yet, then?
Nope, still training. I want to show up there a lean, mean, fighting machine.
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:11 pm
by Diogenes
Mikey wrote:Diogenes wrote: appeasers ... cut and run....
Keeping up in your Republican Demagoguery 101 class, I see.
Maybe you'll actually graduate with an AA degree sometime
in Partisan Hackery.
Polly be your greatest lifetime accomplishment to date.
If the shoe fits, enjoy the feel of it up your ass, loser.
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:21 pm
by Diogenes
Sudden Sam wrote:Diogenes wrote:Sudden Sam wrote:
Never in the military. I fell between idiotic wars.
Then your opinion is irrelevant. As is that of any chickenshit loser throwing arounds the 'chickenhawk' label. And BTW...
You are to be pitied, moron.
That's nice.
Of course, seeing as how your opinion is irrelevant...
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:12 pm
by Bizzarofelice
Fat Bones wrote:You hold a discussion like a 13 year old girl.
You argue like a bitch. I can't read your fucking mind, bitch. I don't know what has your estrogen-fueled emotions so rattled. If you can't ask me a damn question, go back to sulking in the corner because mean Bace said things that made your pussy hurt.
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:38 pm
by Mikey
Diogenes wrote:Mikey wrote:Diogenes wrote: appeasers ... cut and run....
Keeping up in your Republican Demagoguery 101 class, I see.
Maybe you'll actually graduate with an AA degree sometime
in Partisan Hackery.
Polly be your greatest lifetime accomplishment to date.
If the shoe fits, enjoy the feel of it up your ass, loser.
Non-subjective comebacks are so fresh. They show that you don't
actually have any response at all.
For somebody who hates where he lives and hates everybody else that lives there, but doesn't have the balls to just leave, calling somebody else a loser is well....an interesting choice of words.
Your takes might matter if even 1% of them were actually your own.
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:46 am
by Diogenes
Actually it just shows that that is all the response your pathetic spin deserves. As for your 'love it or leave it' schtick-how many more elections do you idiots have to lose before it's off to Toronto for you?
And for the record all of my takes are original, cogent and decisve. And your 'humor' isn't even up to the lame-ass Jon Stuwart level. More like Lenny Briscoe, actually.
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:35 pm
by BSmack
Tom In VA wrote:Nishlord wrote:So has Tom marched off to war yet, then?
Nope, still training. I want to show up there a lean, mean, fighting machine.
So how's training going?
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:44 pm
by Diogenes
Sudden Sam wrote:Diogenes wrote:
And for the record all of my takes are original, cogent and decisve. And your 'humor' isn't even up to the lame-ass Jon Stuwart level. More like Lenny Briscoe, actually.
Figures you wouldn't appreciate the humor of Jon Stewart. Truth hurts, huh?
Not really. The truth is he is an unfunny tedious simpleton. Rather like you. The only thing that was ever worth watching on that show was Colbert, and now he has the Report minus dipshit Stuart.
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:09 pm
by Fat Bones
Bizzarofelice wrote:Ain't nothing being done for me in Iraq.
If the government chooses to use up more of my tax money to send bullet catchers where they aren't needed, I'm not happy.
Fat Bones wrote:Hey. I've got time.
Offer the alternative plan. I'll wait.
Fat Bones wrote:Say we pull our troops out. Now. Just evacuate, like the Browns leaving Cleveland.
What then?
Fat Bones wrote:B'Felice,
Now it's your turn to enlighten me, oh "great thinker". What would you do differently? Pray tell, just a crumb of vast intelligence.
Show me something besides your vacuous and insipid drivel. An original idea perhaps? Just a suggestion.
Bizzarofelice wrote:Fat Bones wrote:What would you do differently?
About exactly what? Be definitive.
Say you are the Commander in Chief-
If we hadn't invaded Iraq, what course of action would you have taken instead?
If we cut and run from Iraq right now, would you continue to battle terrorism some other way? How?
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:20 pm
by BSmack
Fat Bones wrote:Say you are the Commander in Chief-
If we hadn't invaded Iraq, what course of action would you have taken instead?
A good start would have been committing more force to Afgahnistan and Pakistan. You know, to find bin Laden.
If we cut and run from Iraq right now, would you continue to battle terrorism some other way? How?
We could always go back to our Iran-Iraq war stategy and fund both sides in Iraq. Let them kill each other to a bloody stalemate.