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PSUFAN wrote:I'm getting confused.

Pac 10 Fan, for years bitches about the "boring, defensive-oriented" Big 10. Now, the top two teams in the conference stage a 1v2 with some offensive fireworks, and Pac 10 fan wants more defense?

sheesh

Racketh.

I dont care what the Big 10 is evolving in to, that was an exciting fucking game and I want to see those two teams play again

As for LAX, his arguements about pre, post and in season rankings will flutuate depending on which way he can use it against USC. Piss and Vinegar with that guy, some Trojan must have long dicked him for his girl years ago and then kicked sand in his face cause nothing else could explain his biterness towards an institution like USC.

I definitely do NOT want to see a rematch, and it has nothing to do with USC getting stiffed or Michigan being a worse team.

Nope. I simply hate rematches, especially consecutive game rematches. Without the possibility of a tie breaking third match up there's no Ali-Frazier closure here. There's just sister kissing.

Moreover, for the better part of the second half of this season all we've been subjected to is endless hype centering around the possibility of an historic and unprecedented #1 vs #2 meeting involving the best rivalry in American sport.

"This century now has its game..."

Yeah? Even if it was just nothing but a dress rehearsal? That game we watched yesterday was just a fuggen scrimmage, a mere exhibition game??

Oh hell no. Ohio St deserves to get to put that game into their trophy case, unsullied. That's how it works in the Big 10 and that's what makes the Big 10 so special.

No second chances. Beat Ohio St, beat Michigan, or go home. Michigan had their chance. They lost.

Now, even if they won in the re-match, it wouldn't fully ring true. That's no way to end a season, with a 1-1 draw.

Look, there's no do overs, no mulligans...no cheapening of the biggest regular season game in American sport.

For those two programs the BCS title game is a separate and, yes, less important entity than Michigan-Ohio St.

Leave it the fuck alone.

PSUFAN wrote:Fair enough - I was referring to the author of this thread, who has yet to find a complaint that he didn't like and endeavor to voice...

Part of my duties here is to stimulate dialogue....a nasty job, but one which I have chosen to accept.....

SoCalTrjn wrote: As for LAX, his arguements about pre, post and in season rankings will flutuate depending on which way he can use it against USC.

Ya, so?

Of course it does. He hates SC that much. I don't have a problem with it. I think it's kinda funny.
I hate teams that much too. It's all good.

Can't say as I hate anybody the way Lax hates USC...

Not even Jeff Fisher.

I think I hate Charlie Weiss more than LAX hates USC. I want to see a play ran to ND's sideline this week so Weiss can be Paterno'd just so I can see if gravy pours out of Weiss' leg after it breaks

SoCalTrjn, why on earth do you hate Weis?? The guy's pure class. Yeah, he's grotesquely fat, but that's no reason to hate the guy, not unless you also hate half of the American population and nearly every NFL offensive linemen from the '90s...

It sure is a good thing we have this BCS stuff, and not a playoff. That would create the possibility of a Michigan/OSU rematch, which would really destroy the significance of the rivalry.

-L45B

for those of us who would want a playoff or a bowl system that pits the 2 best teams vs one another, Michigan v. Ohio State in the title game is what we would want.
USC losing by 2 on the road at Oregon state in my opinion is more damning than Michigan losing by 3 on the road at Ohio State. Since there is no head to head game between those two, Id have to go with Michigan being the better team
In cases where teams have the same record the determining factors of who is the better team go in this order
1. head to head (if head to head game was close, did the road team lose by less than 6?)
2. lost games on the road (then to who was the game lost to, and by how many points)
3. Strength of schedule
4. lost games at home (then who the game was lost to and by how many points)

In the cases of Arkansas v USC or Michigan v. Notre Dame, USC and Michigan have those easily cause of the head to head matchup

When comparing USC, Michigan and Florida, All 3 had their loss on the road, USC by 2, Michigan by 3 and Florida by 10. Michigan lost to the #1 team so theyre clearly the best of the 3, USC and Florida are a toss up, Auburn has lost 2, Oregon State has lost 3, USC had a chance to tie and send it to OT in the final moments, Florida lost by 10, there is more debate between those 2 but Michigans loss puts them above both
Had USC made the 2 point conversion and won the Ore st game in OT, then there is no debate, they didnt do that.

Van wrote:Now, the one obvious caveat: If USC AND the SEC winner loses then yep, Michigan's right back in there. There's just no way to jump ND over Michigan now and Michigan and ND would be the only two relevant one loss teams left standing...

Ordinarily, I'd agree with you, but there is historical precedent to the contrary.

In November 1993, ND beat Florida State in a 1 vs. 2 matchup. The following week, ND lost by two to Fredo. Florida State then leapfrogged ND, and as a result, Florida State wound up matched up with Nebraska in the Orange Bowl in what was the de facto championship game that season. ND instead wound up in the Cotton Bowl against aTm.

Now, I suppose if you want to nitpick, you could point out that the loss to Ohio State was not nearly as devastating as ND's loss to Fredo in '93. By the same token, however, we're talking here about a September loss by ND, as opposed to a November loss by FSU in '93. Under the system we currently use, a November loss is far more devastating, ordinarily, than is a September loss.

Hell, you said it yourself . . .

Van wrote:...a late season ND team that was one win away from VERY BIG THINGS.

What, pray tell, would those VERY BIG THINGS be? A berth in the Sugar Bowl? Hell, there's a very good chance (albeit not guaranteed)that ND will get that even with a loss against USC. All a win against USC does for ND, in that regard, is guarantee it. But barring a blowout, it's extremely unlikely that even with a loss to USC, ND would fall out of the Top 14. So with a loss to USC, ND likely will be eligible for, but not guaranteed, a BCS bid. As long as we're eligible for a BCS bid, considering that at least one of the likely Top 14 teams (Wisconsin) would not be eligible for a BCS bid, we should be able to get one.

The only bigger thing that ND could be in line for with a win vs. USC would be a spot in the BCS championship game.

SoCalTrjn wrote:for those of us who would want a playoff or a bowl system that pits the 2 best teams vs one another, Michigan v. Ohio State in the title game is what we would want.

I'll agree that tOSU and Michigan are probably the two best teams in the country right now, but as long as we have a system that only gives two teams a shot at the championship, I have a problem with a regular-season rematch. Perhaps this is only my opinion, but it seems to me that Michigan already had their shot at the national championship. If there's a team comparably situated to Michigan, perhaps that team ought to have a shot.

I understand Michigan fan might be pissed at that course of events, and I'm not unsympathetic. But this only illustrates why we need a playoff. Get a few more teams into the mix, and some things have to happen before you get a regular-season rematch. To me, that makes a rematch for the championship a bit more tolerable.

You don't want to see a rematch? Fine.

Nope. No good could come of it. Either we get a tie that can't be broken or we get a repeat of the REAL game plus a bunch of pissed off teams that never got the opportunity to see what they could've done against OSU.

But if you want to see the two best teams in the country play for the national championship, then you'd have see it.

Says who? Illinois? Illinois played OSU close too.

Margin of defeat is NOT the barometer by which a team gains entry into the national title game. Michigan-OSU was a rivalry game, THE rivalry game. Did anybody ever really expect anything BUT a close game? Those two are usually going to play a close game, no matter what.

Who you BEAT, that's what matters. By season's end there's NO WAY IN HELL anybody could say with any degree of certainty that a one loss Michigan team owning only two marquee wins is without a doubt a better team than a one loss USC team with more marquee wins, including the same main marquee win upon which Michigan built their rep this season.

As for "cheapening the biggest regular season game in American sport"....bullshit. That was an instant classic and seeing these two teams play for all the marbles doesn't "cheapen" that game at all.

They already played for all the marbles. That was the whole hyped up point of yeseterday's game.

Ohio St completed a perfect regular season. Ohio St beat Michigan head to head in what will forever go down in Ohio St-Michigan lore as the biggest one ever, "The Bo Bowl", pitting #1 and #2 for the first time ever, for all the marbles. Ohio St won the Big 10 outright for the first time since, what, '94, denying Michigan the Big 10 title in the process. Troy Smith wrapped up the Heisman.

That's a wrap for the Big 10, and everybody in the Big 10 and especially everybody in both locker rooms there knows it. It's always for all the marbles when those two play and this time Ohio St ripped out Michigan's heart and put an end to their season's dreams.

There's no do overs. Anything further now would cheapen the first game and it'd be wholly anti climactic and downright wrong.

Michigan fell short but they get the best conosolation prize anybody ever got.

One has absolutely NOTHING to do with the other.

One has EVERYTHING to do with the other.

Michigan lost their conference. They're out, as long as another one loss winner of an equally good conference remains standing at season's end. Between USC, Arkansas and Florida, that's entirely possible. Michigan only gets in if it comes down to Michigan vs ND as the only reputable one loss teams left standing.

Michigan's S.O.S. and Quality Wins simply can't compare with those of a one loss USC, Arkansas or Florida.

If Michigan is the second best team at the end of the regular season (which they are)

How the fuck do you know they are?? The regular season is still far from over. To date this season Michigan hasn't shown more than Florida or Arkansas and if USC runs the table Michigan will in no way have shown as much as the Trojans did in running through that schedule with only one squeaker of a road loss...

they would deserve a shot at the national title. No "if's, and's, or but's" about it.

USC, you mean. Right. Agreed.

In fact, throwing anyone BUT Michigan in the BCS title game would "cheapen" THAT game, IMO.

Are you always in the habit of walking out on the movie before the twist ending is even revealed?

What, are you also a Dodger fan?

BTW, a re-match in this case would be no different than two Big Ten (or any other conference) teams playing for the championship in the NCAA basketball tournament.

Don't even bring up other sports and how they do it. Different debate.

The two best teams SHOULD meet for the championship, not a lesser team who's selected only because of idiots who don't want to see a re-match.

At this point it's too early to say who the two best teams will be by season's end.

I know for certain though that if USC rolls ND and UCLA and Arkansas beats Florida USC will be deemed by all the pollsters as the second best team in America because they'd own victories over two major BCS conference champions plus a win over Michigan's best defeated opponent plus wins over Nebraska, Cal, Oregon and UCLA.

UCLA would fall out of bowl eligibility at that point but otherwise that's one helluva lotta bowl teams and highly ranked teams USC will've beaten...in a rebuilding year, starting only four seniors!

USC is in at that point, hands down. For Michigan, sorry, ND and Wisconsin just ain't enough...

It's ridiculous to say that a Michigan win in the championship game "wouldn't fully ring true" or that a "1-1 draw" would somehow tarnish a Wolverine win.

It's fact. It's called a "draw". 1-1, in consecutive games.

There's these things called "trilogies". OSU-Michigan would be missing the all important third chapter, the deciding chapter.

It's the National fucking championship...

Involving a team who didn't even win their conference, over other teams who did and who played much tougher schedules?

That'd be ridiculous.

a win is a win.

Yeah, and Michigan only has two of any consequence. They needed that third one. They didn't get it.

Those of us who constantly point out the flaws of the BCS should be raising hell if anyone BUT Michigan is matched up against OSU......simply because they are the two best teams in the country....PERIOD.

The season still has a ways to go before such an opinion might carry any merit whatsoever so you really need to get off that point, PERIOD.

Feel free to disagree,

Why thank you, I believe I shall! (And so too will the BCS, should USC or possibly even Florida run the rest of the table.)

but no one will ever convince me that Michigan isn't deserving of playing the final game of the season.

I'm sure you were also convinced then that the Red Sox didn't need to finish up Game 5 against the Yankees in '04 and ND didn't need to play the second half against Michigan St this year and the Americans didn't even need to line up against the Russians in Lake Placid in '80...

The better team was already decided, well before the end, right? No need to see 'em to their conclusions, right?

Watch the WHOLE thing, Mace, before you tell me the final score.

ND isnt in line for a shot in the BCS title game since their 1 loss is to 1 loss Michigan at home by 25 points.
Now if the Irish lost to Michigan by 3 or fewer points in Ann Arbor theyd have a pot to piss in but you dont lose by 25 at home to a team youre ranked higher than

SoCalTrjn wrote:Had USC made the 2 point conversion and won the Ore st game in OT, then there is no debate, they didnt do that.

Had Michigan not given up nine thousand yards and 42 points and lost their conference, or had they at least scheduled competitively, then there is no debate. They didn't do either.

We're talking about a Michigan team that has played all of their games, once USC has finished their season, then the debate can be had, until then there are too many if's to put USC ahead of michigan at this time. As of right now, Michigan has done nothing to show theyre not the #2 team int he nation

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

Van wrote:Now, the one obvious caveat: If USC AND the SEC winner loses then yep, Michigan's right back in there. There's just no way to jump ND over Michigan now and Michigan and ND would be the only two relevant one loss teams left standing...

Ordinarily, I'd agree with you, but there is historical precedent to the contrary.

Who cares?

This one's cut and dried. No way ND gets in over Michigan. There are no mitigating factors here that could save ND's bacon.

Hell, you said it yourself . . .

Van wrote:...a late season ND team that was one win away from VERY BIG THINGS.

What, pray tell, would those VERY BIG THINGS be? A berth in the Sugar Bowl? Hell, there's a very good chance (albeit not guaranteed)that ND will get that even with a loss against USC. All a win against USC does for ND, in that regard, is guarantee it. But barring a blowout, it's extremely unlikely that even with a loss to USC, ND would fall out of the Top 14. So with a loss to USC, ND likely will be eligible for, but not guaranteed, a BCS bid. As long as we're eligible for a BCS bid, considering that at least one of the likely Top 14 teams (Wisconsin) would not be eligible for a BCS bid, we should be able to get one.

The only bigger thing that ND could be in line for with a win vs. USC would be a spot in the BCS championship game.

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The "VERY BIG THINGS" I referred to are numerous.

-ND's belief that they're still fighting for a shot at the national title. Like I said, they're wrong in that belief, but make no mistake, ND is going to want to be able to put up an argument.

-Beating USC at the Coliseum to end both USC's home winning streak and ND's losing streak against USC are both HUGE THINGS to Bob Weis and to ND Nation...

-ND's seniors have never beaten USC. Graduating without a win over USC would be almost too much to take for any ND player. Conversely, knowing there's a whole couple of classes of USC players who never lost to ND would be awfully hard to swallow too.

-Brady Quinn's final regular season game, and his his last shot at wrenching the Heisman. He has no shot now at the Heisman, of course, but that's not how the media will spin it in the preamble to the game.

-You know as well as I do, Terry, that this game is a HUGE game for ND if for no other reason than it being an opportunity to piss all over USC's dreams. ND LIVES for opportunities like this.

Get real. This is #6 ranked ND playing #3 (or #2) USC, with national title, BCS bowl and Heisman implications at stake. This is a HUGE one for ND, no two ways about it. ND would gladly trade this win for that Michigan loss. No contest, not for a true ND Fan...

SoCalTrjn wrote:once USC has finished their season, then the debate can be had, until then there are too many if's to put USC ahead of michigan at this time. As of right now, Michigan has done nothing to show theyre not the #2 team int he nation

My point to Mace, exactly.

Things could look decidedly different though in a couple of weeks time.

With only the USC game remaining Quinn is incapable of surpassing Smith's body of work this season in the eys of the Heisman voters.

That one's over. Quinn could throw for 600 yards and 8 TDs with no picks and he could win the game with a triple somersault from the six yard line into the end zone while farting out multi colored Pez pellets in the shape of Britney Spears' former hottie body and STILL Troy Smith will win the Heisman.

On the other hand, Michigan IS capable of being passed over by USC in the final regular season BCS poll, precisely because in the eyes of the BCS USC with their two remaining games still has the opportunity to surpass Michigan's season long body of work.

Easy difference there, Mace.

Explain to me what's been so great about Michigan's season long body of work that they're simply incapable in your eyes of being passed over by any other team, no matter what those other teams still do?

Troy Smith vs Brady Quinn, I can easily defend that one. I just gotta hear though how wins over Wisconsin and ND and nobody else worth a damn makes Michigan your Mt Everest of one loss teams...

Michigan, but not Illinois and Ball St? Only Michigan scores points for quality losses?

It's been brought up multiple times before already Mace but really, what in hell did you expect to happen at The Horseshoe yesterday? You're a lifer in the Big 10 and you didn't see that coming??

You want to place all your eggs in Michigan's basket, just based on a quality loss. Meanwhile, those two teams play each other close every year, regardless of records. It's called a rivalry game. That's what happenes in those games and that's definitely what happens in THAT rivalry game.

Add in Michigan's need to get through OSU in order to win the Big 10 and a national title and THEN add in ESPN killing Bo the night before the game so that Musberger wouldn't have to take viagara in order to sport any more wood about the game and was there ever a chance that yesterday's game wasn't going to be a fairly close and hard fought game?

Jesus, Mace, how long have you been following Big 10 football, and CF in general?? We DON'T rank teams on their losses. We rank them on their wins, otherwise even as we speak Boise St would be hitching up their wagons and pointing 'em towards Glendale, Az...

And it would be, if Michigan had done enough all year to where it could simply come down to comparing losses.

They didn't. Michigan's resume this season is just like ND's last year, albeit a bit better. Their main selling point though is a loss. You certainly can't point to anything else Michigan did this season that would place them above a season's end one loss USC or SEC winner.

USC didn't get to play OSU, and neither did Arkansas or Florida, so Michigan doesn't get THAT much credit for that game, Mace. They also don't get THAT much credit for keeping it close. Illinois also kept it close and Illinois didn't give up nine thousand yards and 42 points on the way to their close loss at the hands of OSU.

Moreover, nobody in their right mind expected yesterday's game to be a blowout. Why a guy with your experience is putting THIS much stock in a closely fought rivalry game that everybody but you (apparently) knew was going to be a close, hard fought game, man...

Mace, besides Michigan did any of your above mentioned teams have the opportunity to gloriously lose to OSU?

No, they didn't. So, it ceases to be an apples/apples comparison.

Also, exactly when hasn't OSU-Mchigan been a close, hard fought battle...regardless of their records? It's nearly ALWAYS a close game. Even last year's five loss Michigan team played a much better OSU team tooth and nail.

If anything, Michigan needed to win this game, not just make it close at the end, moreso than in any other year. This was supposed to be Michigan's best team in years and Michigan's best teams nearly ALWAYS rain all over Ohio St's parade once the two meet head to head.

Also, if ND is in fact vastly overrated as you say then that leaves Michigan with Wisconsin as their one and only win of any significance.

Wisconsin. There's your calling card win. Nice. Yeah, that oughtta trump Arkansas' wins over, lessee here...Auburn, Tennessee, LSU and Florida??

Or Florida's wins over LSU, Tennessee and Arkansas?

Never mind USC's S.O.S.

Yeah, that lone Wisconsin win really ought to ensure Michigan's unassailable position in the BCS standings. Uh huh.

You're very fond of french fried 'taters, arentcha?

Bottom line is, when your best argument is based on the strength of a loss...to your arch rival no less...you probably don't have much of an argument to begin with.

And as Van pointed out, Mace really shot himself in the foot by degrading one of Michigan's quality wins. Dude, you're arguing for Michigan. The idea is to make them look GOOD.

So, a win over Wisconsin and a "tough loss" to OSU automatically qualifies you over every other one loss team?

Huuuh? How does that work?

So Mace, let me get this straight...we're just all supposed to accept Michigan is the best one loss team in the country because they beat Wisconsin and played their arch rival tough?

That's some fucked up thinking, old man.

Well, if SC wins out, I'm pretty sure the people smarter than you who are deciding this shit will see it my way.

WHAAAAA! WHAAAAA! We need a playoff...WHAAAA! WHAAAAA!


For all intents and purposes, OSU and Michigan just played a semifinal playoff game.

The winner gets to go to the final.

Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Michigan lost. But for some reason, losing to OSU in November rather than December somehow makes it different?


This argument gets dumber all the time.

Mace wrote:

This argument gets dumber all the time.

Only because you've joined the discussion.

Mace

WOW!

Did you come up with that all on your own, or did you pay a ghost writer?


That's board-bitch shit, right there. Way to aim high, dweeb.

Can't say as I hate anybody the way Lax hates USC...

You're right Van....you don't......

I think I hate Charlie Weiss more than LAX hates USC. I want to see a play ran to ND's sideline this week so Weiss can be Paterno'd just so I can see if gravy pours out of Weiss' leg after it breaks

Ya see, this is one of the reasons I hate $C with such a passion. Idiot fans like you. I've never wished ill will on anyone on your team. Maybe I should, but then I'd be going down to a level lower than you are right now. Mine is just plain old hate. You're a vindictive SOB who's wishing bad things to happen to someone who is nothing but a class act.

As for LAX, his arguements about pre, post and in season rankings will flutuate depending on which way he can use it against USC. Piss and Vinegar with that guy, some Trojan must have long dicked him for his girl years ago and then kicked sand in his face cause nothing else could explain his biterness towards an institution like USC.

I think that when doing rankings you look at where they were ranked when you played them. What happens when you play a team that starts out the season in the top 20 or so and they have a crappy year. How would you use that argument? Oh we played them when they were in the top 20 etc.....I think it has some validity. It also works the other way. We Arkansas wasn't ranked at the start of the year and for good reason. Now as the season has progressed they've improved. You won't find a post by me arguing ND's SOS from last year when Michigan was ranked #2 and ND beat them, nor will you find anything regarding Tennessee 2 years ago when ND beat them and they didn't fair too well.
So cal.....My argument doesn't fluctuate. It's been the same for many years.
Oh, BTW no little pussy ass condom fan ever kicked sand in my face. My problem with MOST of you tools is that 5+ years ago your stadium was a fucking morgue. My wife used to give me 30-40 tickets to games back in the 90's and I couldn't give them away. Half full stadium etc.....no support, now all of a sudden you've got more fans than Carter had peanuts and everyone claims they've been fans for 20+ years, and most of you idiots couldn't tell me who Shelton Diggs was. Your arrogance that you think you invented CFB just makes me ill. It's typical LA fan....they win, we support. They lose we don't show up, but when they win it's we we we we....like you assholes actually had something to do with it. Hell most of you never played a down of competitive football or coached a minute of it in your life. You probably can't tell the difference between a counter trap and a counter top.
I could go on, but those who know me like Greg understand where my hatred comes from. Hell I hate them so much I'm not sure I'd even let Greg into my house if he ever grew the balls to come to LA.....Oh, greg...BTW the Celts lost to Edison in the first round of the playoffs......

Hmmm...."suck on a cordless drill."

Well, that's it...I'm suicidal now.


Jeebus H, dude...my track record up in this place speaks for itself.

Unfortunately, yours speaks for you, as well.

Just shut the fuck up, and get back to trying to get MGO to make you famous on here...or whatever it is you do.

Mace wrote:Delusions of Grandeur are not uncommon on message boards

Couldn't agree more.

Let's take you for example. You're so fucking delusional, you think your name should be something other than "Mace Who," and you have somehow come away with the impression that the guy you stalk (that's the word for it whe you mention a guy who generally ignores you in EVERY SINGLE POST you make, right?) hasn't made you into his personal bitch with about ten keystrokes.

And now, you're so delusional that you think there's a chance that getting mealy-mouthed with me is going to end something other than badly for you.

Some of the more monumental delusions ever exhibited on these boards, to be certain.

Mace wrote:It doesn't really matter because the National Championship game was played last night.

See, now you're making some sense. You're right. We ALL know that in terms of Michigan-OSU and this regular season last night's game was both team's true national championship game.

No further games between the two need be played.

Problem is (and this is where I had such a problem with ESPN forgetting all the even more deserved hype they laid on last season's Rose Bowl when they were trying to hype last night's game as the Game Of The Century)...it was still only a regular season game.

See, there's still the actual national title game to play and there's no guarantee OSU will win it. Lord knows you and I (especially you :-) ) are old enough to recall those seasons when Ohio St sauntered into many a Rose Bowl as the supposedly unbeatable juggernaut from the redoubtable Big 10, only to get spanked by the Pac 10 representative...usually USC.

So, as always, why don't we just go ahead and play the game before we just hand over the title to Ohio St. You know, just to make sure and stuff.

Dinsdale wrote:WHAAAAA! WHAAAAA! We need a playoff...WHAAAA! WHAAAAA!


For all intents and purposes, OSU and Michigan just played a semifinal playoff game.

The winner gets to go to the final.

Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Michigan lost. But for some reason, losing to OSU in November rather than December somehow makes it different?


This argument gets dumber all the time.

Exactly.

Lax, just so's were clear here and all, only the first of those C&Ps of yours, the one about how I don't hate anybody like Lax hates USC, was a quote of mine. The rest of 'em, ie, all that stuff about hoping Weis breaks his leg, those were SoCalTrjn's posts...

As for this...

most of you idiots couldn't tell me who Shelton Diggs was.

...that was music to me eyes. Forget JJ McKay or even Richard "Batman" Wood, it was Shelton Diggs who was my first ever Trojan hero as a kid and it was Shelton Diggs' jersey I wore to school and as part of my first ever make shift Halloween costume.

You're preaching to the choir here, dude.

Also, fwiw, I highly doubt that SoCalTrjn is some Johnny-come-lately USC bandwagon fan either. He's a USC grad and I wanna say he and his family are USC lifers.

As for the Coliseum being half empty during The Dark Years? Yep, it was. That's just the way L.A. is, in general. There's just too much else going on in L.A. for the fans there to support horrible L.A. teams the way fans do in one trick pony college towns across America.

Take it or leave it but that's just a fact of sporting life in L.A.

Van wrote:SoCalTrjn...He's a USC grad

Yes, those truly were ...

The Dark Years

Sin,
USC


And as far as hatred?

I hate any and all teams that aren't Oregon, Portland State, or Linfield(they're all different divisions...I'm allowed teams in different divisions, right?).

Hate them ALL, with a passion. Yet without them, there's no competition, and watching intrasquad games all season would be pretty dull. So because of this, I love them all.

This is why CFB is da'bomb.

Dins is in an unusually good mood tonight!

Good to see.

Eat a dick, homo.

Bwaaahahaaa!!!

Lax, just so's were clear here and all, only the first of those C&Ps of yours, the one about how I don't hate anybody like Lax hates USC, was a quote of mine. The rest of 'em, ie, all that stuff about hoping Weis breaks his leg, those were SoCalTrjn's posts...

I know and I'm sorry for the mix up. The thing that gets me about the Johnny come lately $C fans is that they have no sense of history before Pete Carroll. Not to mention that they actually thing the grass at ND rose up and hurt D. Reed last year and have posted about it ad nauseum.
FWIW, I respect your posts but So Cal is the typical Trojan fan of today who wishes ill will on people like Weis and the only thing he can do is comment about his weight. He can't see that the man is one hell of a coach.

Also, fwiw, I highly doubt that SoCalTrjn is some Johnny-come-lately USC bandwagon fan either. He's a USC grad and I wanna say he and his family are USC lifers.

I knew I felt sorry for him for some reason. There's another thing....most...not all $C grads think they're something special because they graduated from there. It's not like it's the only good school in the country. Hell there are several and many don't cost nearly as much.

As for the Coliseum being half empty during The Dark Years? Yep, it was. That's just the way L.A. is, in general. There's just too much else going on in L.A. for the fans there to support horrible L.A. teams the way fans do in one trick pony college towns across America.

Take it or leave it but that's just a fact of sporting life in L.A.

I know, and it's a shame because when things for teams start to go well it doesn't allow those without huge amounts of money to attend games.
fucking bandwagoners....god, I hate em all.

Mace, just for the record -- I've recieved more "bwahahaha" 's and accolades in this thread than you have, or could ever hope to have in your entire posting career. This is fact, and no amount of "you live in a fantasy world" 's will change that.

Those that can, do. Those that can't, follow those that can around and try to look cool by dissing on them. Following MGO around and sniping at him hasn't worked for you(other than making yourself look an even bigger fool, no easy feat), and it won't work with me.

Cease and desist with the heel-nipping, por favor. I'm sorry that you're jealous that I've spent my days learning as much as possible, about as much as possible, and in the in-between times nailing skanks. You had the optoin to do the same with your miserable life, but you CHOSE not to. Not my fucking problem. The fact you're a bitter old never-was dork is your cross to bear, and yours only.

Leave the functional members of this board and the world out of your delusions that you've ever been anything besides a major fucking dork.

Hell, Van looks like a smoooth operator compared to you. Terry in Buttchester looks like an all-world stud by your standards.

Dins, back off and recuh'nize...

"Smooth operator", you say? Listen, sport. I'm Johnny fuggen Mathis smooth, Sade smooth...only without that faggoty lipgloss falsetto and the killer ass.

Nah, you're a dork. If you were anywhere near me, I'd beat your lunch money out of you, just on principle.

But props -- you've been so badly outdorked by Macedork, I'm not sure I can wax poetic about your dorkitude with a clear conscience anymore.

Part of my duties here is to stimulate dialogue....a nasty job, but one which I have chosen to accept.....

understood, and thanks