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BSmack wrote:

Atomic Punk wrote:I was told from the real Vietnam guys that the Muzzies respect power. We haven't shown it.

Lots of Muslims in Viet Nam?

smackaholic wrote:The problem is we no longer have any balls as a nation. During WWII we knew we were in a fight and the entire fukking country treated it that way. We fukking played it to win. We absolutely crushed both the japs and krauts and they in no uncertain terms knew that they were on the wrong end of a serious asswhuppin.

As a result of our strong pimp hand they got in line pretty fukking magnificently.

With the muzzies things are different. we aren't there to slap them the fukk down. We are there to help them. When you need a pimp, you send in clint eastwood. We send in richard simmons.

The entire middle eastern muzzie/western debate could be solved tomorrow. If we just sat them down and said muzzies, it's like this. You got played by the jews, fair and square. They have a rather small, resource poor chunk of sand and are willing to share a rather important historical religious place, jerusalem, with you. You, get a piece of jerusalem, and the rest of the sand much of which is floating on a sea of earl.

Overall, despite being ohfer in wars over the last century or 5, you STILL pretty much have 'bode. Praise the fukk outta allah. Continue with the bullshit and [borat] we will CRAAAAAOOOOOOOSSSHHHH you.[/BORAT]

Then we sit back and wait. As soon as achmed steps to us, we put a very harsh pimp slap on him and a little bit of sand gets new ownership.

Repeat as necessary. Eventually the muzzies figure out that they loose everytime they play and they stop playing.

Problem is, being a good pimp takes balls and we have lost them. Where is Harry Truman when you need him?

mvscal wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:

mvscal wrote: Is that supposed to have any relevance?

I don't know. It was your justification.

The answer is no.

Try to actually think for yourself a bit here. You have no idea what the administration is attempting to accomplish. That isn't entirely your fault. This administration has very poorly articulated its objectives and methods.

The mission is to combat Islam practiced as a radical political ideology. Bush Administration fuck up #1: They failed to clearly articulate precisely what it is we are fighting. Terrorism is a tactic. A War on Terrorism is semantic nonsense. No surprise to see that message garbled.

I understand the reasoning behind it. Namely to avoid inflaming Muslims and provide political cover to the Muslim nations which are assisting us in the war. The unfortunate downside to that bit of moral cowardice is that we as a nation aren't clear on what we're fighting.

Being that this is primarily an ideological conflict, the method chosen to confront this challenge was to present an workable alternative ideology: Democracy and with it personal and economic freedom. This meant abandoning our Cold War Real Politik support for thuggish dictators who could keep the craziness down to a dull roar.

Now given the mission and the method, who is likely to offer armed resistance to that program and where do you begin?

RadioFan wrote:

mvscal wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote: I don't know. It was your justification.

The answer is no.

Try to actually think for yourself a bit here. You have no idea what the administration is attempting to accomplish. That isn't entirely your fault. This administration has very poorly articulated its objectives and methods.

The mission is to combat Islam practiced as a radical political ideology. Bush Administration fuck up #1: They failed to clearly articulate precisely what it is we are fighting. Terrorism is a tactic. A War on Terrorism is semantic nonsense. No surprise to see that message garbled.

I understand the reasoning behind it. Namely to avoid inflaming Muslims and provide political cover to the Muslim nations which are assisting us in the war. The unfortunate downside to that bit of moral cowardice is that we as a nation aren't clear on what we're fighting.

Being that this is primarily an ideological conflict, the method chosen to confront this challenge was to present an workable alternative ideology: Democracy and with it personal and economic freedom. This meant abandoning our Cold War Real Politik support for thuggish dictators who could keep the craziness down to a dull roar.

Now given the mission and the method, who is likely to offer armed resistance to that program and where do you begin?

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The WWII analogies are both correct and incorrect.

mvscal wrote:The unfortunate downside to that bit of moral cowardice is that we as a nation aren't clear on what we're fighting.

And as importantly, that "bit of moral cowardice" is also a major factor in the "enemy," because, obviously, we're not fighting a standing army, nor even a nation-state.

That bit of moral cowardice is the suicide bomber, obviously. Even in the Muslim world, some understand it, only they are in no position to do anything about it, other than "advise," which in many cases, probably means a lot.

The suicide bomber ... Where he comes from and why -- the root of the problem -- the Madrasses in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Indonesia and the Palestinian territories.

Hell, in many of these countries, during the first day of school for kids, the first thing they learn is the chant, "Death to America." It doesn't mean they believe any of that bullshit, but they're still indoctrinated from day 1.

mvscal is right: We can't possibly wage this war when our own definitions of what we're fighting are fucked up from the beginning. Simplistic bullshit from another time. Upgrade the rhetoric from our side, mensas. That would be a nice start.

BSmack wrote:

Atomic Punk wrote:I was told from the real Vietnam guys that the Muzzies respect power. We haven't shown it.

Lots of Muslims in Viet Nam?

LTShit TRollN 2 wrote:

Right now the city of Gaza is surrounded by ten times the razor-wire, trigger-happy guards, sensors and mines that surrounded Aushwitz, Treblinka, Sobidor, Dachau and Bergen-Belson COMBINED.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Smack, what's this nonsense?

"The entire middle eastern muzzie/western debate could be solved tomorrow. If we just sat them down and said muzzies, it's like this. You got played by the jews, fair and square. They have a rather small, resource poor chunk of sand and are willing to share a rather important historical religious place, jerusalem, with you. You, get a piece of jerusalem, and the rest of the sand much of which is floating on a sea of earl. "

"Played fair and square"..? Say's who?

Right now the city of Gaza is surrounded by ten times the razor-wire, trigger-happy guards, sensors and mines that surrounded Aushwitz, Treblinka, Sobidor, Dachau and Bergen-Belson COMBINED.

WW

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Smack, what's this nonsense?

"The entire middle eastern muzzie/western debate could be solved tomorrow. If we just sat them down and said muzzies, it's like this. You got played by the jews, fair and square. They have a rather small, resource poor chunk of sand and are willing to share a rather important historical religious place, jerusalem, with you. You, get a piece of jerusalem, and the rest of the sand much of which is floating on a sea of earl. "

"Played fair and square"..? Say's who?

Right now the city of Gaza is surrounded by ten times the razor-wire, trigger-happy guards, sensors and mines that surrounded Aushwitz, Treblinka, Sobidor, Dachau and Bergen-Belson COMBINED.

WW

RadioFan wrote:[And as importantly, that "bit of moral cowardice" is also a major factor in the "enemy," because, obviously, we're not fighting a standing army, nor even a nation-state.