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Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim W
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:02 am
by mvscal
Dr_Phibes wrote:Re-inventing Nazism as some sort of leftist organisation sort of flies in the face of any traditional definition.
The so called traditional definition is inaccurate and intellectually dishonest. It is based only on German nationalism as if that is all there was to them rather than being the least significant portion of their program.
The National Socialist German Worker's Party ran a purely socialist economy and society. That isn't even subject to intelligent, educated argument. Nazi's were street thugs who captured a nation. They were not the tools of industrialists and financiers. It was the other way around.
Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim W
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:10 am
by mvscal
LTS TRN 2 wrote:Why do you suppose they hated the Communists so much?
For many of the same reasons that Protestants and Catholics have hated each other. Sectarian differences are very frequently the causes of extreme violence. The case of Soviets vs. Nazis was a case of national socialism opposed to international socialism. Make no mistake though, they were both socialists.
You are correct, though, in labeling Zionists as National Socialists. That is an accurate political description of Israel. They are hard core, left wing socialists with a fierce nationalism.
Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim W
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:16 am
by Dr_Phibes
mvscal wrote:
The so called traditional definition is inaccurate and intellectually dishonest. It is based only on German nationalism as if that is all there was to them rather than being the least significant portion of their program.
The National Socialist German Worker's Party ran a purely socialist economy and society. That isn't even subject to intelligent, educated argument. Nazi's were street thugs who captured a nation. They were not the tools of industrialists and financiers. It was the other way around.
I don't think so, the economy was Keynesian, no different than any modern economy. Some programmes were nationalised. Policy on race was unique, class war was replaced with race war. There was a healthy dose of mysticism and Aryans with flying wings - and things based on ideas of meritocracy. Militarism is sort of a gray area.
You're viewing things from your unusual cultural perspective, you should expand your horizons and crack a book sometime.
Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim W
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:20 am
by mvscal
Dr_Phibes wrote:
I don't think so, the economy was Keynesian,
Vaguely, but Keynesian economics are classically left wing.
You're viewing things from your unusual cultural perspective, you should expand your horizons and crack a book sometime.
I've cracked more than a few and, without a doubt, quite a few more than you have on the subject.
Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim W
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:19 am
by LTS TRN 2
What's going on, Avi, are you chugging your own turd smoothies?
What is this total unfettered garbage you're spewing?
The German Nazis--National Socialists--were ABSOLUTELY joined at the hip with transnational corporations. They were (and remain, the modern variety) completely dedicated to corporate capitalism. They are as far from Soviet or Cuban Communists as possible--except for the military control of the entire populace.
Your idiotic nonsense is a disgrace, and you are a total fraud. Just like Rusp Limpdick, William, F Buckley, Glenn Beck, and the whole raft of sinking swine.
Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim W
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:24 am
by poptart
Saw Dennis Miller on O'Reilly and he was hehe larious on this.
Said, paraphrasing, "The muslims couldn't care less about outer space. The muslim community will want to go to the moon the day after the Jews say that Israel is now on the moon."
And said, "The muslims need to get up to speed before we start turnin' 'em on to outer space. I've got a friend who works real estate in the Arab world. He works for Century 4."
bwaaa ...
Well, maybe you had to be there. :)
Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim W
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:42 pm
by mvscal
LTS TRN 2 wrote:The German Nazis--National Socialists--were ABSOLUTELY joined at the hip with transnational corporations. They were (and remain, the modern variety) completely dedicated to corporate capitalism.
Guess again, you brainless ass fuck. The Nazi economy was state run and state directed with compulsory union membership and collectivized agriculture. That is pretty fucking far from "corporate capitalism."
From Time magazine's 1938 Man of the Year featuring the Dolphster:
Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on others what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for foodstuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism.
Read more:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... z0tl2Ku6b2
See also the National Labor Law of 1934 which put all businesses employing over 20 people under direct state control. Oh yeah, and the Volkswagen. What the fuck do you think that was all about? You think German auto manufacturers would have made a cheap piece of crap that everybody could afford without a gun to their heads (literally)?
As usual, you don't have a fucking clue.
Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim W
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:17 pm
by Wolfman
^^^^^^^^^^^^
I know. I could never get what part of nationalist SOCIALIST was so difficult to grasp.
Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim W
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:32 pm
by BSmack
mvscal wrote:Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism.
Thank you for making my point. I'll leave it to others to determine what side of the political spectrum the Nazis occupy, you have just helped make my point that the Nazis had outside help in their rise to power.
Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim W
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:43 pm
by mvscal
BSmack wrote:...you have just helped make my point that the Nazis had outside help in their rise to power.
There was certainly no shortage of fools and Hitler played them all brilliantly. I'm sure Onogger voters can relate. The point is that those outside backers were not using Nazis. Nazis were using them.
Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim W
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:46 pm
by BSmack
mvscal wrote:BSmack wrote:...you have just helped make my point that the Nazis had outside help in their rise to power.
There was certainly no shortage of fools and Hitler played them all brilliantly. I'm sure Onogger voters can relate. The point is that those outside backers were not using Nazis. Nazis were using them.
Who was using whom is unimportant. All that matters is that Hitler did have outside help and that the folks in Al Queda can't even get the backing of Iraqi Sunni's.
Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim W
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:38 pm
by mvscal
AQ had rock solid backing from Iraqi Sunnis. It took them several years of wantonly slaughtering those Iraqis to lose that support.
Even if only 10% of Muslims support AQ, we're talking over 100 million supporters.
Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim W
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:31 pm
by BSmack
mvscal wrote:AQ had rock solid backing from Iraqi Sunnis. It took them several years of wantonly slaughtering those Iraqis to lose that support.
Even if only 10% of Muslims support AQ, we're talking over 100 million supporters.
So what you're saying is that AQ doesn't have their support now. Thanks for playing.
Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim W
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:53 pm
by LTS TRN 2
Oh, so you're itching for a war on Islam. As though...they might be Nazi-like..? Or just the standard "aiding terrorists" smear? You're seeking to justify invading Iraq? I guess that's what wind-up Rusp Limpdick parrots do!
Well, your pathetic attempt to distance the German Nazi movement from its transnational corporate base is a joke.
Nineteen Forty-Six: Not for the first time and not for the last, the giant General Electric Co. found itself in federal court on charges of violating anti-trust law. The U.S. government charged GE and a corporate ally with conspiracy to monopolize a market, raise prices and drive out competitors.
But this was no ordinary anti-trust case. The year following the end of World War II, GE stood accused of criminal conspiracy with Krupp, a major German munitions firm. Their partnership artificially raised the cost of U.S. defense preparations while helping to subsidize Hitler’s rearmament of Germany. The arrangement continued even after Nazi tanks smashed into Poland.
GE was not alone among U.S. big business in having cordial, profitable arrangements with the corporations of Nazi Germany. Kodak, DuPont and Shell Oil are also known to have had business dealing with Germany. Due to a recent reparations case, the activities of General Motors and Ford are the most well known. And the cases are instructive:
GM and Ford, through their subsidiaries, controlled 70 percent of the German automobile market when war broke out in 1939. Those companies “rapidly retooled themselves to become suppliers of war materiel to the Germany army,” writes Michael Dobbs in the Washington Post.
“When American GIs invaded Europe in June 1944, they did so in jeeps, trucks and tanks manufactured by the Big Three motor companies in one of the largest crash militarization programs ever undertaken,” observes Dobbs. “It came as an unpleasant surprise to discover that the enemy was also driving trucks manufactured by Ford and Opel — a 100 percent GM-owned subsidiary — and flying Opel-built warplanes.”
The major U.S. automakers (including Chrysler) established multinational operations as early as the 1920s and 1930s, locating plants in Germany, eastern Europe and Japan.
FRIEND OF THE FUHRER
It wasn’t all strictly business. Henry Ford, a notorious anti-Semite, formed a kind of mutual admiration society with Adolf Hitler. The German dictator enthusiastically applauded American mass-production techniques. “I regard Henry Ford as my inspiration,” declared Hitler, who kept a life-size portrait of the American industrialist next to his desk. In 1938, Ford accepted the highest medal that Nazi Germany could award a foreigner, the Grand Cross of the German Eagle.
Ford had a role in Nazi Germany’s prewar military buildup. U.S. Army Intelligence reported that the “real purpose” of the truck assembly plant opened in Berlin in 1938 was to produce “troop transport-type vehicles for the Wehrmacht (German military).
A senior executive of General Motors also received a medal from Hitler, apparently for services rendered, and services to come. GM’s involvement in Germany began in 1935 with the opening of a truck factory near Berlin. Within a few years trucks produced by that factory would be part of German Army convoys rumbling through Poland, France and the Soviet Union.
After the German occupation of Czechoslovakia in 1939, GM Chairman Alfred P. Sloan commented that the Nazis’ behavior “should not be considered the business of the management of General Motors.” The GM plant in Germany was highly profitable. “We have no right to shut down that plant,” Sloan declared.
A senior executive of General Motors also received a medal from Hitler, apparently for services rendered, and services to come.
GM and Ford were vital components of the Nazi war effort. German Ford was the second largest producer of trucks for the Nazi military. GM’s plants built thousands of bomber and jet fighter propulsion systems for the Luftwaffe — while at the same time profiting from production of aircraft engines for the U.S. Army Air Corps.
“The outbreak of war in September 1939 resulted inevitably in the full conversion by GM and Ford of their Axis plants to the production of military aircraft and trucks,” according to a 1974 report printed by the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee. “On the ground, GM and Ford subsidiaries built nearly 90 percent of the armored ‘mule’ 3-ton half-trucks and more than 70 percent of the Reich’s medium and heavy-duty trucks. These vehicles, according to American intelligence reports, served as ‘the backbone of the German Army transportation system.’”
“General Motors was far more important to the Nazi war machine than Switzerland,” says researcher Bradford Snell. “Switzerland was just a repository of looted funds, while GM was an integral part of the German war effort. The Nazis could have invaded Poland and Russia without Switzerland. They could not have done so without GM.”
And of course the Bush clan was up to its eyeballs helping the Nazis..
After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen "enemy national" relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal.
Furthermore, the records show that Bush and his colleagues routinely attempted to conceal their activities from government investigators.
Bush's partners in the secret web of Thyssen-controlled ventures included former New York Governor W. Averell Harriman and his younger brother, E. Roland Harriman. Their quarter-century of Nazi financial transactions, from 1924-1951, were conducted by the New York private banking firm, Brown Brothers Harriman.
Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim W
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:13 pm
by Truman
LTS TRN 2 wrote:Total gibberish, Dins. The Nazis were of course extremely right wing, as were other National Socialists like the Zionist movement. Why do you suppose they hated the Communists so much? Or what, aren't Communists "left wing"? In fact extreme leftists and rightists tend to meet up in a variety of similarities--starting with total military control over the entire populace. Sure, Pinochet worked hand in glove with transnational corporations, and Castro has not--but the total military control over anything that might hint of opposition is the same. So...Pinochet wasn't right wing either?
What is your malignant trip of completely inverting everything? Just like Rove--and Goebbels, hmmm... :wink:
Oh, those kookie, fun-loving Iowa Teapartiers...
"...And the question is, 'Name three Leftists...'" [/Carnak]
A historical retrospect presented in pictures that even
you should be able to follow, you Revisionist Loser. BTW, we northpaw types ain't real keen on big, bloated, Centralized Government. Tell me you knew....
Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim W
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:37 pm
by LTS TRN 2
Tea Baggers are religious simpletons acting like petulant children. That's who they are and what they do. That you would subscribe to their inane squirmings is typical.
What should properly be on that billboard is this ZioNazi
