Turner Gill

[Terry in Crapchester]

Terry - how does this guy fit into the "good ole' boy network"?

I guess you'll have to explain to me how, exactly, that's relevant to what we've been discussing in this thread.

[indyfrisco]

Hell, it is my understanding that before Tubberville was canned at Auburn, he was courted by A&M for the Fran opening and would have taken it had it been offered.

As for the other schools being secure with their current situaton? This "what have you done for me lately" attitude in BTPCFB has spread. I didn't think Tubberville should have been canned. I WANTED Tubberville over Sherman at A&M. Any coach is easily enticed to check the waters in the NFL. Any coach is easily enticed with their hottie interns and a scandal is all it takes to boot one. Muschamp may get sick and tired of waiting since Mack said he'd be out by now. dickrod is on the hot seat. Lots of scenarios could happen to open any of these jobs.

[minorthreat]

Oftentimes, a coaching hire is simply a matter of being the right fit for both the coach and the school. Chizik was not the right fit for Iowa State and most folks taking an objective look at the hire knew it from the beginning, and that Chizik was looking to build a resume so he could find a bigger program. On the other hand, Paul Rhoads was a perfect fit for the Cyclones and, after inheriting the mess left by Chizik, took them to a bowl game in his first year. Rhoads grew up a few miles from Ames and grew up a Cyclone fan, and he truly feels honored to be their head coach. There's an old coaching axiom that "players don't care about how much you know until they know how much you care". Rhoads cares, and the players know it...and play their asses off for him. Chizik didn't, and the players knew it. Both of these coaches will probably be successful in their current jobs, with Chizik having the most upside due to being at Auburn.

I think the jury is still out on Gill, and I'm not close enough to the Kansas program to know whether he's the right fit. I do know that he got off to an embarrassing start last weekend and it will take some serious coaching to overcome that loss and the attitude that comes with those types of losses.

I agree with the Chizik analysis. The other thing that has helped Chizik at Auburn is he learned that he had to bring in good coordinators. He did not do that at ISU. I had a lot of faith in him when he was here but I am glad he is gone now. Overall it seems that it has worked out for both ISU and Auburn so far. Auburn just has to make sure they keep Malzahn...in my opinion.

[minorthreat]

... On the other hand, Paul Rhoads was a perfect fit for the Cyclones ... took them to a bowl game in his first year.

Ya think two years of Chizik's recruiting had anything to do with that?

Actually, Rhoads has recruited just as well as Chizik did.

[M Club]

However, the defenses Chizik put together at different places and the success those teams had under his defenses trumped what Gill had accomplished. That's my opinion at least.

chizik was wildly successful as a coordinator but crashed and burned as a head coach. textbook peter principle. gill had a shitty w-l record in part because he took on so many losses just by taking the buffalo job. granted and again: hindsight.

That along with his previous history with Auburn was why he was hired I believe, not because of a "good ole boy notwork."

eh, his history with auburn was what put him in the ole boy network.

This person can get fucked:

so can these people:

[Carson]

Hell, it is my understanding that the year before Tuberville was canned at Auburn, he courted A&M for the Fran opening and would have taken it had it been offered.

FTFY; Gene Stallings wanted no part of The Wingnut.

[indyfrisco]

Buffalo was a bottom feeder in the MAC. Iowa St. is a bottom feeder in the XII. Neither were going to have a good record as a HC in the time they spent there.

But feel free to have fun on your mountaintop...



I'll be laughing.

[M Club]

ja, except one actually went so far as to turn their bottom feeder into the conference champion.

have fun in your heavily fortified castle, with double-padlocked doors and a moat, not to mention whatever other siege precautions you take when the blacks are a coming. i'll be laughing.

[indyfrisco]

when the blacks are a coming. i'll be laughing.

Both blacks in town? One's a police officer and one's a doctor. Only time they'll bust through my door is if I'm under arrest or my heart is. Either way, I don't think either scenario is very funny, but I don't hold anything against you if you want to laugh at either situation. It's your constitutional right, and I'm not one to wipe my ass with the constitution like some.

[M Club]

eh, who's wiping their ass with the constitution? you didn't seem to be so up on arms about it two years ago.

[M Club]

and two black in your town? sounds like the start of a good ol' "my black friend says..."

[indyfrisco]

Well, 2 black families....both men are married to the mother of their children, own a home and pay their taxes. Amazing concept.

[M Club]

totally amazing. i didn't even think blacks were capable of feeling, let alone actual relationships with their children or the h&r block. i thought all they did was get paid $5 million a year that the nfl can afford because you have 14 different TVs tuned into the game. then they go have have 17 babies with 19 different women. fucking blacks.

[Screw_Michigan]

totally amazing. i didn't even think blacks were capable of feeling, let alone actual relationships with their children or the h&r block. i thought all they did was get paid $5 million a year that the nfl can afford because you have 14 different TVs tuned into the game. then they go have have 17 babies with 19 different women. fucking blacks.

Rack M Club. IF's disdain for the balcks isn't thinly veiled, is it?

[indyfrisco]

IF's disdain for people looking for handouts isn't thinly veiled, is it?

FTFY.

They come in all colors, and yes, I have a high level of disdain for those type of people whether black, white, or tan. Of course, the conversation here revolves around people tossing out race cards at every opportunity they can no matter how much M Club attempts to deflect from what I said about Turner Gill.

Now you kids have fun. I'm off to Vegas.

[Dinsdale]

So, what I gather, is IF is being persecuted over a perception that since he's lives in a suburban mcmansion, he's obviously a flagrant racist?


Oh, the irony.

[M Club]

you'd probably have to forgive anyone for confusing you for a racist considering your tendency to use the race card you bitch about so often as your cue to mention lazy fucks looking for handouts. you introduced that point into the original thread as a complete non-sequitur. it's almost like you've drawn a line from one to the other.

what exactly did you say about turner gill that i've had to deflect?

[Carson]

Records against Georgia Tech:

Turner Gill 1-0
Tommy Tuberville 0-2 including a home loss.

[King Crimson]

Records against Georgia Tech:

Turner Gill 1-0
Tommy Tuberville 0-2 including a home loss.

not sure what this really means across seasons like that? GT has been a good program, but not sure how they are a barometer.

Dan Hawkins has more wins against Bob Stoops than Bobby Bowden and a better winning % against OU than Mack Brown. two stats that are totally meaningless.

but, true, for Gill...what a difference a week makes. from doghouse to the penthouse, as they say.

[Carson]

Tubby was a favorite in both of those losses, Gill was an underdog at home.

Those GT losses were a major reason Tubby was shopping his job and why he got the boot. AU-GT is a very old and heated rivalry for the "money" alums who remember the Bobby Dodd era at Tech.

Tuberville was too chickenshit to play FSU but thought he could beat GT when that series was brought back. Wrong.

[Danimal]

I figured Gill would have his guys ready to battle, was glad to see they pulled it out. One nice thing about moving to the 10 is that I'll be able to wholeheartedly root for Gill at KU.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Belated racks to Gill and KU. Did NOT see that one coming.

[Carson]

^^^^^Racist redneck!!!

Are your hands still covered with soot from last night's cross burning?

God, you Southerners make me sick...

[MuchoBulls]

Gill cost me a perfect week.

Bastard.

Pretty sure Paul Johnson did that for you